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You have it in a nutshell! It appears that the one day on one day off useage

with the TD DMPS is at the heart of its success. Doesn;t make sense to me

either. We have done 70 rounds with Andys protocol over 2.5 years and have had

some gains but nothing like I was expecting or hoping for when I started and I

am a realistic person!

I HAVE to try this stuff, I've been reading reports of people using for 6

months now and I am going to try the alternative day dosing and see what

happens. If I feel there are negatives by way of redistribution I will stop and

go

back to the DMSA/ALA.

I'm not comfortable with the no minerals on the on days bit and plan to give

Cal and Mag at least which I know Sam will need and double up on everything

on the off days as per protocol.

He is doing well on the Lipo GSH we have worked up to 1/8 tsp twice daily

over a week and have had some great reports from school - including his first

day off the last DMSA/ALA round when he is usually tired and a bit stimmy :)

I'll post how we get on :)

Mandi in UK

I have not been at this site too much lately...so sorry if I am asking a

dumb question. It seems that what Buttar recommends is almost 180 degrees

opposite of what Cutler recommends. Is that the correct understanding?

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VERY EXPENSIVE - you can order one bottle from Switerland which with

shipping is gonna set you back $230!!! Its $160 in the US WITH a Rx

Dr. Merloni S.A.

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Tel.:0041.91/690.10.50

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Do you, or does ANYBODY know how I can get some of this TD-DMPS without a

doctor? I am financially in the poor house and am struggling on my own. I

thought I heard that you can get it in Europe without prescription. Is that

correct? How are people getting it that can't afford a doctor?

I am game to try this, at least for a bit. As sensitive as I am, I am sure

my body will " speak " to me one way or the other.

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Only what I have read that Buttar tried it this way with his son and

excretion went down so he went back to alternate days................

Mandi in UK

I'm curious if there has been discussion or anyone using the TD DMPS daily

but breaking it down into smaller doses? That way there is a constant supply

in the blood stream.

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OKAY...NOW I AM REALLY CONFUSED

I have not been at this site too much lately...so sorry if I am asking a

dumb question. It seems that what Buttar recommends is almost 180 degrees

opposite of what Cutler recommends. Is that the correct understanding?

One recommends no re-distribution and amalgam removel, and the other

recommends redistribution and keeping the amalgams in.

This is an interesting article and I chelated with DMSA for several months,

and now I am giving myself a break until I figure out what I am going to do

next.

My very being tells me that I HAVE to get the Hg out, and get it out

quick....some are telling me that THAT is also not a good idea.

Soooo.....Can anybody shed a little more light on any of this for me?

Thanks,

Inga

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>

>

> My frien Dana already made that job and I think everyone should read it to

> clear those questions and many more.

>

> here is a cut and paste of that:

>

> DefeatAutismYesterday.com-

>

> With Shared Knowledge…More Kids will Heal!!!

>

>

> Dr. Buttar (Boo-TAR)– Oct. 1st, 2004 DefeatAutismYesterday Conference

>

> 6:15-10:30pm

>

>

>

>

>

> Methods of Mercury Toxicity

>

> -breathing in toxic vapors

>

> -in utero-1 out of 8 women are mercury toxic because of amalgams and other

> things

>

> -Fish Industry is about 10% of the cause of mercury poisoning

>

> -Immunizations, epidurals, anesthesia

>

> -Lead and all other metals are not nearly as neurotoxic as mercury. Only

> Uranium and Plutonium are as toxic, yet they are not prevalent in our

> environment like mercury

>

> -Most of us suffer from CHRONIC mercury toxicity and it’s effects

>

> -Mercury is heavily correlated with Cancer and Heart disease patients

>

> -Cancer and heart disease account for 8 out of 10 deaths from all diseases,

> wars, illnesses, injuries combined

>

> -Autism is now 1 in 149 kids

>

> -Vaccines still have Mercury (Hg) because the pharmaceutical companies legally

> don’t have to tell you how much is in there during manufacturing. They are

> only required to tell you if they preserve it with mercury. So, plenty of

> mercury is still in the vaccines even if you read the label and it shows none.

>

> -Check for ongoing toxicity coming from the environment like where you live

> and the direction the wind blows. Is there combustion of fossil fuels even

> several hours away but the wind is blowing toward you?

>

> -There is no other substance, not vitamin deficiencies, lead, yeast, food

> allergies, etc. that could possibly cause a normally developing child who is

> speaking words by 11-12 months, to lose all speech and become autistic by

> 14-21 months. The only thing that could have caused this severe of brain

> damage is mercury (Hg.)

>

>

>

> Hepatitis B Vaccination

>

> -Useful for IV Drug Users, Prostitutes, and Health Care Providers

>

> -A person needs 3 shots to become immunized to anything

>

> -With Hep B, we need boosters because it only lasts 8-10 years

>

> -We give newborns a shot of Hep B in the first 12 hours of life

>

> -Therefore, are we really concerned that our baby will become an IV Drug User,

> Prostitute or even a Health Care Provider in the first 10 years of life when

> neurological development is so crucial?

>

>

>

> Biliary Tract

>

> -The biliary tract is God’s way of detoxing yourself. God put it in our

> bodies to have toxins, like heavy metals, move out that way. But, the biliary

> tract is NOT functional until after the first year of life, so our kids have

> no way of detoxing themselves until after age 1

>

> (I hear this over & over from all the Naturopathic…awesome doctors I have gone

> thru)

>

>

>

> TD-DMPS - misc. info

>

> Okay…Okay…Okay…I am going to say it hear & will say it to Dr Buttar (like I

> did during my interview with him in July) personally next week…When you read

> what is below, you need to remember…One of Dr Buttar’s specialties is removing

> toxins (esp. mercury) from the body. Because of that he has had great success

> with kids with autism. His specialty is not RECOVERING THE BRAIN once it is

> detoxed…SO DO NOT allow anything he says dissuade you if you have an older

> child! He is simply not willing to say he has arrived at complete recovery

> beyond the age of 9… yet, because he hasn’t had it happen…yet! This is where

> the work of Dr. Amy Yasko comes in (some of her fastest recoveries are with

> older children)…go to: AutismAnswer.com & read about RNA & special protocols

> (at a certain time in the healing process) to re-myelinate the damaged nerves.

> Then there are places like The Brain Institute & NACD.org who specialize in

> activities to heal the brain… & all kinds of other things…so Go Forth & Heal!

> & read on…

>

> -For severe cases of ASD, TD-DMPS is only effective for children under the age

> of 9 (for a complete cure). It has helped adults and will help everyone who

> is metal poisoned, especially mercury poisoned.

>

> -He has had children over the age of 11 with mild autism or adhd, recover

> completely

>

> -Viral Titres, allergies metabolic problems like thyroid disorders, which are

> common in our kids, immune system problems, are all from mercury poisoning

>

> -Kids on TD-DMPS tend to have growth spurts like crazy, like 2 of his patients

> who grew 6 inches in 6 months after getting rid of the poison in their bodies

>

> -Getting rid of the poison, gets rid of the symptoms of autism and the health

> problems too

>

> -Transdermal DMPS is a ratio of 4 parts glutathione to 1 part DMPS conjugated

> with amino acids (My understanding from Tom at College Pharmacy is that it is

> actually the amino acids that make up glutathione rather than glut itself)

>

> -The glutathione allows the sulfhydryl to work better and is really a great

> substance in general especially for chelation and is in every cell of our body

> and

>

> diminishes with old age (healthy elderly people are found to have more of it

> present in their cells)

>

> -You may see a worsening of behavior in an ASD child approximately 1-2 months

> into usage with DMPS, but you may also see improvement in social and speech

> areas. This improvement is evidence that it is working and you must keep the

> dose to as maximum as possible even with a rash because the rashes and

> behavior are temporary. If you stop usage, you will not start back where you

> left off.

>

>

>

> (one way to help keep the liver & kidneys functioning well is by adding

> homeopathics: Unda 2, 48, 458 or HEEL Detox) which should help limit

> exacerbations of behaviors & addressing methylation should help with this

> too!

>

>

>

> Autism Commonalities

>

> These kids are always:

>

> 1. Mercury Toxic

>

> 2. Extremely Bright (Gordon & Yasko say this too!)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Amalgams

>

> Each new filling is leaking 500 nanograms of mercury per day. Old fillings,

> even from 20-year old cadavers are leaking about 9 nanograms per day of

> mercury.

>

>

>

> Case Study –

>

> came in to Dr. Buttar and said she had seen 16 doctors and had been

> tested for everything and nobody could help her. She had a lot of pain,

> strange systemic problems, severe depression, headaches, etc. and said to Dr.

> Buttar while patting her purse, “If you can’t help me, I will help myself.”

> Not sure what was inside her purse – gun or maybe pills.

>

> Dr. Buttar said that he could definitely help her and that she was probably

> just poisoned with mercury (Hg). She said she had already been tested for

> mercury levels and had taken DMSA challenge tests and that she did not show

> high mercury levels. Her level of Hg was 2.3 at the time. She again asked

> Dr. Buttar if he was still sure that he could treat her? He made her sign an

> agreement that she would not try to kill herself and that they needed to try

> his protocol and they would find out in time if it was going to help her. He

> put on TD-DMPS.

>

>

>

> Here’s the date and ’s Hg levels:

>

> Early year 2000 2.3

>

> March 2000 2.8

>

> October 2000 9.4

>

> March 2001 19 – her mercury level was high yet symptoms had

> diminished greatly

>

> October 2001 27 – She is almost symptom free at this point yet her

> mercury levels are off the chart

>

> Mid 2002 8.7 – Two and a half years into treatment, she has

> no symptoms and Hg levels are finally coming down but still elevated. She is

> still on TD-DMPS at this point.

>

>

>

> Summary: had only one amalgam in her mouth but had worked in a chemical

> plant in her late 20’s and transported mysterious items in a truck and that is

> when her symptoms started to appear. Buttar believes she was exposed to high

> Hg levels at this job. She recovered completely on TD-DMPS for almost 3

> years.

>

>

>

> Abi (AB-ee) Buttar

>

> His son was born Jan. 1999, after he had given up on treating ASD kids in his

> practice because they were too difficult to treat. “God must have given me

> Abi so I could learn how to treat other children” and come up with this

> formula (TD-DMPS). Abi was diagnosed with autism and treated with TD-DMPS

> starting at age 3 and had no diet change. He was non-verbal, except for

> saying continually, “Day, Day, Day, Day.” Five months to chelation with

> TD-DMPS, Abi was talking full sentences. With hair analysis of his son, only

> arsenic, antimony, tin and nickel showed up. Mercury in fecal and urine at

> first testing was at a 1.9. This is typical of ASD kids on his protocol to

> show low levels of mercury naturally coming out because they cannot detox

> themselves. Normal kids have high levels of mercury in their hair and autistic

> kids have very low levels. During continuous chelation treatment, as those 4

> metals go up high and then come down, that is when the mercury levels first

> start to

> appear. As the mercury levels start going up, you must be consistent with the

> treatment! TD-DMPS was continued until the Hg levels spiked and then went

> all the way down. He now chelates his son for one month every year because of

> a flawed detoxification pathway that is evident in all children with ASD.

> ASD is not autism, it is mercury poisoning because our kids cannot detoxify

> themselves.

>

>

>

> -With DMPS oral, Abi’s Hg levels were off the charts as compared to when he

> used DMSA oral. There is a tremendous difference in how the two chelate.

>

>

>

> -Some parents quit the TD-DMPS chelating process after 2 months because of

> yeast flare-ups. The key to getting the mercury to come out and why my

> protocol works at all: is using it Continuously! If yeast shows up, then you

> treat it, but you keep the DMPS dosage as close to maximum as possible because

> it is the fire causing all the other problems. You must get the poison out so

> you can then see what is left and deal with the other problems that remain

> after eliminating the main one. You have no idea how much mercury is in a

> body until you remain on the protocol for a while. The other metals have to

> come out before the mercury will start to budge. If you quit, then you will

> not get to the mercury and you may not start back where you left off. He

> originally had to chelate his son every other day because of visitation rights

> during his nasty divorce from his ex-wife. However, in the process of healing

> his son, he did experiment with chelation every day and did not get the same

> results and pulled out less mercury than when he chelated every other day.

> This is because he believes the body has to redistribute the mercury and needs

> 48 hours to do it. You chelate a little bit out every 48 hours.

>

>

>

> AMT Pharmacy

>

> Dr. Buttar originally used College pharmacy owned by Tom----. College

> pharmacy followed Dr. Buttar’s protocol on making DMPS. Now, College

> pharmacy, located in North Carolina, is called AMT Pharmacy. (You can call

> AMT’s Gentile at (866) 828-8203 X156 or locally at (704) 892-1874

> (this is a fax # & as you can probably imagine they are incredibly busy so

> PLEASE be patient with them…ALSO, TO EXPEDITE YOUR ORDER in addition to the Rx

> make sure it contains: recipient shipping address, credit card info & DOB of

> patient otherwise it will take an extra week for them to call you back & get

> this info) to order TD-DMPS. The approximate cost for a 45-pound child is

> $160 for a two-month supply and they can ship the prescription to you once

> your doctor calls it in. This info was not given out at the conference. Dr.

> Buttar was not there to sell anything and spoke at this conference for free

> and insisted on having no charge for the parents and all attendees.)

>

>

>

> Types of Rashes with DMPS

>

> 1. Oxidative Reaction – like a burn because DMPS cannot be stabilized

> easily and Dr. Buttar is the first to come up with a way to do this. AMT

> pharmacy is the best because they follow Dr. Buttar’s protocol for stabilizing

> (making) the TD-DMPS. Some parents are reporting this type of burning or

> oxidative reaction with TD-DMPS from other pharmacies.)

>

> 2. Transdermal Local – This is a rash where you put the drops on and it is

> not a problem and clears up on it’s own

>

> 3. Mercury Mobilization issue- You may see a rash in places other than

> where the TD-DMPS was applied. This is from the mercury being moved around in

> the body and mobilized so that it can move out. It will clear up.

>

>

>

> (Dr Yasko & many other naturopaths believe any immune enhancement can

> stimulate a “healing crisis” which can produce a “viral rash”)

>

>

>

> “If you don’t know what to do, pray, then follow your gut because that’s God’s

> way of speaking to you.” – Dr. Buttar

>

>

>

> ___________________________________I stopped adding here!

>

> His research study with ASD kids

>

> -All 31 children were diagnosed (Dx) with Autistic Disorder or PDD

>

> -All children were initially tested for red blood cell metals, hair metals,

> mineral levels, urine metal toxicity, and fecal metal toxicity

>

> -All 31 kids showed initial low levels of mercury just like in cancer

> patients, the Hg is not readily visible right away. It shows up later on.

>

> -It would seem logical to just test the feces, since that’s how DMPS works,

> but some kids have metals coming out in different ways so we tested urine and

> hair and I like lots of testing, at least for my research we did it that way

>

> -Hair, fecal and urine metals and mineral levels were tested every 2 months

> (he only did this extreme amount of testing for his study and says you don’t

> need to do as much testing as he did if you want to use it on your child)

>

> -After 10 months of using TD-DMPS, the children were tested for minerals,

> hair, fecal and urine metals only every 4 months

>

> -All 31 patients showed higher levels of Hg as continuous treatment went on

>

> -As more Hg came out, kids had more improvement in symptoms by far, even

> though mercury levels were off the charts

>

> -Treatment was continued until Hg levels finally came back down

>

>

>

> DMPS vs. other chelators

>

> -Mercury binds to sulfhydryl groups and DMSA has only one but DMPS has 2

> sulfhydryl groups, making it significantly more effective

>

> -Thus, DMSA is much slower than DMPS at chelating

>

> -DMSA is considered a neurotoxin and makes kids flaccid, or dead-like looking

> because of the molecular structure. Have you noticed this look when your kids

> are on DMSA?

>

> -DMPS is approved in Europe but DMSA is not because it is a neurotoxin

>

> -DMPS IV is not good because it is a one-time thing. It is the slow,

> continuous pull that makes the difference

>

> -BAL is actually the most effective chelator but can cause death 22% of the

> time

>

> -EDTA is not good for pulling mercury, EDTA is the best at pulling cadmium.

> Cadmium is what may cause hypertension but you can’t pull the cadmium out well

> until you have started pulling the mercury out, so if hypertension is a

> problem, you need to alternate with TD-DMPS and EDTA transdermal or

> suppository. You still need to get the mercury out first if cadmium is a

> problem.

>

> -DMPS suppositories work well like transdermal (TD) DMPS but kids don’t like

> them and push them out

>

> -Oral DMPS is not absorbed well especially with leaky guts

>

>

>

>

>

> Blood-Brain Barrier

>

> He’s not sure that there is one. But if there is, DMSA does cross the barrier

> and DMPS does not. He likes chelation every 48 hours because this gives the

> body time to redistribute the mercury and you deplete a small amount every

> other day. It is like removing a little bit of mercury from a bottle of toxic

> water then pouring the cleaned water back in the bottle. The remaining

> mercury will redistribute itself and all the molecules will move around so

> that more can be pulled out. He likes to chelate every 48 hours for this

> reason.

>

>

>

>

>

> IV-DMPS

>

> -If you do this, there are some specific things you need to follow. Never

> give an IV push, only give an IV drip.

>

> -You must read http://www.DMPSbackfire.com/if you wish to do an IV DMPS. He

> tells all his patients to read this website before doing an IV DMPS and if

> they still want it, to come back. In general, all those doctors reported on

> that web site, made big mistakes because they did not know what they were

> doing.

>

> -You must find a doctor who is board certified to do an IV DMPS. Only 186

> doctors in USA are board certified for IV DMPS. DMPS is dangerous when given

> in an IV form, so make sure you find a doctor who knows what they are doing.

>

> -Our kids won’t take IV’s and admitting them to the hospital is costly so IV

> DMPS doesn’t work

>

> -The half-life of IV-DMPS is much shorter than TD-DMPS, so you are chelating

> for a much shorter amount of time with the IV than the lotion.

>

> -Check out http://www.nomercury.org/for more information

>

> -“Transdermal DMPS is something that any doctor can prescribe. You don’t need

> me (Dr. Buttar.) TD is much safer than the IV. I also have a year-long wait

> list. Just get any doctor to call and get the protocol and start taking the

> prescription right away. You need to get the metals out as fast as you can.

>

>

>

>

>

> Dr. Buttar’s protocol for TD-DMPS

>

> -The protocol is available for doctors through AMT pharmacy

>

> -Each drop of TD-DMPS is .987mg of DMPS, so measure per body weight

>

> -AMT pharmacy will compound the appropriate 4:1 GSH to DMPS mixture

>

> -For AMT pharmacy, Dose at 1.5mg/kg of body weight every 48 hours (take

> child’s weight, convert to kilograms; 1 pound = 0.4536kg OR you can take

> child’s weight in pounds and multiply by .682 drops for the appropriate drops

> every 48 hours)

>

> -Never exceed 60 drops on any given day regardless of person’s weight, unless

> it is for a challenge dose

>

> -A challenge dose is used to collect metal tests of urine, feces, hair or

> blood. This is only done no more than once every 2 months. The amount of

> TD-DMPS drops should be doubled for the challenge dose and urine should be

> collected for the next 12 hours. Feces and blood should be collected within 24

> hours of the challenge.

>

> -At exactly 24 hours after taking the TD-DMPS, you should give the child

> double the daily dose of minerals. You should take a multiple mineral

> supplement and extra calcium, magnesium is especially important. Often the

> regression we sometimes see in these children is not a yeast flare-up but a

> magnesium deficiency because DMPS is really good at pulling magnesium out.

> Make sure the child is well mineralized on the Off Days. All mineral

> supplements are good. I like them all. (MinerALL from

> http://www.vitalitywellness.com/and Multiple Mineral Complex Pro-Support as

> well as Calcium Magnesium Liquid from http://www.KirkmanLabs.com/are good.

> Dr. Buttar is in the process of formulating his own mineral formulation but it

> is not ready yet.)

>

> -place the drops in the child’s hand and have them take their own medicine by

> rubbing it on their forearms, biceps, back of knees (stomach, buttocks, back

> not good) find a place where veins are showing and have them rub it in.

>

> -Do not touch the child’s medicine! Get your own! They need the full dosage

> and you will be using some if you touch it. Don’t use gloves because they are

> made of rubber and have a powder coating, which is all potentially toxic. You

> need to stay away from toxins.

>

>

>

>

>

> Question and Answer session with Dr. Buttar

>

> Q: Should a person do chlorella with DMPS? A: Chlorella is a natural

> substance from aquatic sources and sequesters mercury from the environment.

> Cilantro also does this. So, it is questionable if these items are giving

> your child more mercury in the first place. Just use DMPS because topical

> DMPS is being sucked up by the nerves and goes straight into the brain and

> by-passes the liver. DMPS completely by-passes the gut. Topical DMPS is

> absorbed through the skin. You don’t need anything else.

>

>

>

> Q: Where would high levels of uranium come from and how would you get rid of

> it? A: Sources of uranium are multiple. Uranium could come from water, air,

> nuclear sites and yes, DMPS chelates it well.

>

>

>

> Q: What do you think about hyperbaric chamber therapy (HBOT – Hyperbaric

> Oxygen Therapy) used in conjunction with DMPS? A: I’ve had children with

> every type of therapy and biomedical treatment imaginable, including stem cell

> replacement, in my office as my patients. What these patients are reporting

> is that they get better on biomedical interventions, then level off and don’t

> improve anymore. But, with DMPS, they keep the gains because the whole

> problem is mercury toxicity in the first place. You don’t want to re-build

> the brain until you have stopped the degeneration of brain cells from poison.

> You don’t want to put a roof on your house while there is a fire inside. You

> put the roof back on the house after the fire is out! After you get rid of

> the poison that is damaging their brains (mercury), the kids go right back to

> where they left off developmentally and you can start to put the pieces back

> together and real healing can occur after that. But, you have to get the

> poison out first because it is what’s causing the problem in the first place.

> There is some research going on with hyperbarics (HBOT) and they may allow

> metals to be moved out maybe, but we don’t know.

>

>

>

> Q: Minerals? What when and how much do you give when you are chelating? A:

> We didn’t get good results when we were doing DMPS everyday with Abi. It may

> have been because mineral depletion was too severe. We also didn’t move as

> many metals out. So we dosed DMPS every other day at the same time. Say,

> 3:30pm everyday. You do the minerals exactly 24 hours later, like at 3:30pm

> and you double the amount. All minerals are good. There isn’t one that is

> better than another. Manganese, Selenium, Zinc are all good. The thyroid and

> other metabolic problems come back after getting rid of the Hg. One of my

> patients actually had his thyroid come back after a complete non-functioning

> thyroid for years. Hormones level off either up or down to their proper

> status after proper chelation. I’ve had husbands thank me for giving them

> their wives back. Hg causes a reaction in so many metabolic processes that

> you even get rid of the detoxification function itself. You don’t need to

> prepare

> a person before hand with minerals, but you can if you want. I never did. If

> any mineral is low, we up the dose to 3 or 5 times what that amount should be.

>

>

>

> Q: Yeast? How is this caused? A: Yeast is not caused by DMPS or even DMSA

> for that matter. The yeast is caused because they are immunosuppressed.

> Mercury is an immunosuppressant. The white blood cells are too low in autism

> because they are immunosuppressed. The only people immunosuppressed are

> Transplant patients, cancer patients, AIDS and those with autoimmune

> disorders.

>

>

>

> Q: Do you suggest doing Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) along with DMPS? A: You

> don’t need ALA with DMPS. If a person wants it that is fine but they don’t

> need it.

>

>

>

> Q: How about special diets to cure autism in conjunction with the TD-DMPS? A:

> I never used a special diet on my son. Only 25% of the kids need a special

> diet.

>

>

>

> Q: Is DMSA a slow chelator then? A: DMPS is 10 times faster at chelating than

> DMSA. That extra sulfhydryl group makes it synergistically a much faster

> chelator.

>

>

>

> Q: Is lead bad and toxic? A: Metals become more toxic the more you have.

> They work synergistically when contained together. DMPS will chelate lead

> and some cadmium even.

>

>

>

> Q: How do you administer TD-DMPS? A: A child takes it, rubs it in, you put it

> in their hand not yours. It is almost like they know they need it. At least

> it was that way with my son, Abi. Don’t use a glove because it is latex and

> may have powder coating – both chemicals you don’t want to risk using. You

> rub the child’s arms together if they can’t do it but THEY TAKE THEIR OWN

> MEDICINE. DMPS does smell, but you will learn to deal with it. Put it on the

> back of the legs, thighs are good, forearm, biceps are all good. The stomach

> is not good because you need a vascular spot (place showing veins.)

>

>

>

> Q: I’ve heard that autistic kids have larger head sizes than normal and

> decreased blood flow to the brain. Does head size return to normal and blood

> flow after TD-DMPS? A: You need to pull the metals out. The body is trying

> to get rid of metals by flushing areas out with blood and possibly restricting

> blood to other areas as well. Head size and everything else may heal.

>

>

>

> Q: Are there preservatives, like thimerosol, in epidurals and anesthesia as

> well as vaccinations? A: Yes, all shots, anesthesia, epidurals, Rhogam and

> vaccinations, even the ones that don’t list thimerosol, still have mercury

> because they are not required to list it during manufacturing. An infant may

> receive more than 60 times the amount of mercury that is considered safe from

> one doctor visit with several shots (video clip presented.)

>

>

>

> Q: Is there anything that would keep a person from using DMPS in a patient, a

> contraindication? A: Only if a person had an anaphylactic reaction to it

> which is extremely rare

>

>

>

> Q: Do you use TD-DMPS with amalgams or do you remove them first? A: Get the

> mercury out of the body because removing amalgams can be very expensive. Just

> chelate the mercury and don’t remove the amalgams. If you do remove the

> amalgams, it is a good thing to get an IV-DMPS within 12 hours because the

> mercury floating around the body is so high, but you can chelate with the

> amalgams still in there. They will not disintegrate or fall apart.

>

>

>

> Q: Do you treat yeast before doing TD-DMPS? A: No, we prescribe anti-fungals

> during treatment to maintain the yeast gone and use probiotics, etc. for

> yeast. Yeast creates an additional stress to the body but mercury is the

> underlying issue for immune dysfunction and thus, yeast.

>

>

>

> Q: Do you chelate your son still? A: Maybe one month a year I chelate him

> since those with autism have an underlying detoxification pathway and that is

> why they are autistic in the first place.

>

>

>

> Q: Medications like Risperdol, Zoloft, do you use those with DMPS? A: Some

> meds you need to wean off slowly, some you need to keep on, but most meds, you

> should just take off cold turkey. Anti-Seizure meds induce seizures! It says

> so in the PDR (physicians desk reference) under side effects. It really could

> be mercury toxicity that is causing the seizures in the first place. You need

> to take out all the stuff that the body was not meant to have, maybe add a few

> natural supplements, but the body heals itself after you get the mercury out.

>

>

>

> Q: What if Hg is through the roof on initial testing? A: Still treat with

> TD-DMPS, but likely this child will be less severe ASD because this shows they

> are excreting. TD-DMPS will help the child excrete faster.

>

>

>

> Q: Is 3 months of treatment on TD-DMPS enough even though the child is mostly

> recovered? A: No, 3 months is not enough for anyone. Even if a child did

> DMSA for a year or more before starting DMPS, DMSA is a slow chelator. You

> must be consistent for at least 6-12 months on DMPS to remove all the mercury

> in a partially chelated child. You don’t want your child to remain even 10%

> autistic.

>

>

>

> Q: Do you use Methyl B12 on your patients? A: Yes, we now use it in

> conjunction with TD-DMPS, but did not on the original study.

>

>

>

> Q: Are the kids on TD-DMPS for life then? A: Maybe they need it one month

> out of 12 (in a pulse mode) for the rest of their life, I don’t know. They

> are non-detoxers and need extra help to counteract the things in the

> environment.

>

>

>

> Q: Do you treat cadmium removal with TD-DMPS? A: No, get TD-EDTA for

> cadmium. Use TD-DMPS first to get Hg out, then TD-EDTA for cadmium or a

> suppository of EDTA. EDTA is an easier pull of cadmium than DMPS. Go for the

> Hg first because it causes the most damage in our bodies, by far. Then get

> rid of cadmium. Always treat Hg first, even if it is lower, much lower than

> the other metals present.

>

>

>

> Q: Do you chelate normal siblings of autistic kids? A: Yes, you can

> especially if they have weird physical symptoms or ADD. It is much more

> crucial to chelate in a developing brain, than a developed brain.

>

>

>

> Q: Do you prefer IV-DMPS? A: I prefer TD-DMPS because it is slower, safer

> and a continuous flow. You could do an IV drip once every other week in

> addition to the lotion, but it is not crucial.

>

> lindajaytee <lindajaytee@...> wrote:

>

> ,

> I am wondering if you would be so kind as to try to find out the

> answer to the question about the kinetics of TD-DMPS (see below). I

> was thinking that someone on one of the other TD-DMPS boards is bound

> to have the answer to that question and probably wouldn't mind if the

> answer is shared with everyone here. The question of kinetics of TD-

> DMPS is a very important one. Surely one of the doctors who is using

> it on his patients would be able to give you the citation of a study

> that has been used to determine the kinetics of transdermal DMPS.

> Thanks so much

>

>

>

> This part is from A-M message no. 124798:

>

> I've been struggling with the same question. Would you please email me

> if you come across any answers outside of what gets posted here? I'd

> really really appreciate it. Thanks.

>

>

>

>>>

>>> Hi,

>>>

>>> My DAN doctor has recommended I chelate my son with Chlorella. I

>>> had read in J. McCandless's book " Children With Starving Brains "

>>> that chelating with Chlorella was not a good idea. There were no

>>> examples of what had happened. Does anyone know anyone harmed by

>>> use of Chlorella? We will be using it along with Lipoic Acid.

>>>

>>> The Chlorella we have is distributed by Morin Laboratories Inc.

>>>

>>> We have previously chelated with DMSA at 1/2 dose because of a

>>> reaction. (On and off for 3 years) Also have used Metal-free for

> 6

>>> months of last year. Matt had chronic mouth sores (after 5 weeks

>> of

>>> metal free we would have to stop due to a mouth sore). Matt has

>> been

>>> free of any chelating for last 10 months.

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>> Peg

>>> Mom to , 11, and , 9, ASD & GFCFSFEFNFCF

>

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

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I'm curious if there has been discussion or anyone using the TD DMPS daily

but breaking it down into smaller doses? That way there is a constant supply

in the blood stream.

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You have it in a nutshell! It appears that the one day on one day off

useage with the TD DMPS is at the heart of its success. Doesn;t make sense

to me either. We have done 70 rounds with Andys protocol over 2.5 years and

have had some gains but nothing like I was expecting or hoping for when I

started and I am a realistic person!

I HAVE to try this stuff, I've been reading reports of people using for 6

months now and I am going to try the alternative day dosing and see what

happens. If I feel there are negatives by way of redistribution I will stop

and go back to the DMSA/ALA.

I'm not comfortable with the no minerals on the on days bit and plan to

give Cal and Mag at least which I know Sam will need and double up on

everything on the off days as per protocol.

He is doing well on the Lipo GSH we have worked up to 1/8 tsp twice daily

over a week and have had some great reports from school - including his

first day off the last DMSA/ALA round when he is usually tired and a bit

stimmy :)

I'll post how we get on :)

Mandi in UK

I have not been at this site too much lately...so sorry if I am asking a

dumb question. It seems that what Buttar recommends is almost 180 degrees

opposite of what Cutler recommends. Is that the correct understanding?

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Do you, or does ANYBODY know how I can get some of this TD-DMPS without a

doctor? I am financially in the poor house and am struggling on my own. I

thought I heard that you can get it in Europe without prescription. Is that

correct? How are people getting it that can't afford a doctor?

I am game to try this, at least for a bit. As sensitive as I am, I am sure

my body will " speak " to me one way or the other.

>

> You have it in a nutshell! It appears that the one day on one day off useage

> with the TD DMPS is at the heart of its success. Doesn;t make sense to me

> either. We have done 70 rounds with Andys protocol over 2.5 years and have had

> some gains but nothing like I was expecting or hoping for when I started and I

> am a realistic person!

>

> I HAVE to try this stuff, I've been reading reports of people using for 6

> months now

Well...and what do their reports say?

And - would it work the same for an adult?

>

> and I am going to try the alternative day dosing and see what

> happens. If I feel there are negatives by way of redistribution I will stop

> and go

> back to the DMSA/ALA.

>

> I'm not comfortable with the no minerals on the on days bit and plan to give

> Cal and Mag at least which I know Sam will need and double up on everything

> on the off days as per protocol.

>

> He is doing well on the Lipo GSH

What is that?

~Inga...................

>we have worked up to 1/8 tsp twice daily

> over a week and have had some great reports from school - including his first

> day off the last DMSA/ALA round when he is usually tired and a bit stimmy :)

>

> I'll post how we get on :)

>

> Mandi in UK

> ======================

> I have not been at this site too much lately...so sorry if I am asking a

> dumb question. It seems that what Buttar recommends is almost 180 degrees

> opposite of what Cutler recommends. Is that the correct understanding?

>

>

>

>

>

>

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We saw a practioner (not DAN!) and it cost us around $250 TOTAL-- that was

her fee for visit, and some supplements she sold us (which I could have

bought later but just wanted to get them all then) She is able to place the

order for us, and the rest of the visits will be mostly phone consults, or

she's been great via email. My only other cost has been $46 to Doctors Data

for a hair test.

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VERY EXPENSIVE - you can order one bottle from Switerland which with

shipping is gonna set you back $230!!! Its $160 in the US WITH a Rx

Dr. Merloni S.A.

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Tel.:0041.91/690.10.50

Fax:0041.91/682.89.35

e-Mail: _chiasso@..._ (mailto:chiasso@...)

Do you, or does ANYBODY know how I can get some of this TD-DMPS without a

doctor? I am financially in the poor house and am struggling on my own. I

thought I heard that you can get it in Europe without prescription. Is that

correct? How are people getting it that can't afford a doctor?

I am game to try this, at least for a bit. As sensitive as I am, I am sure

my body will " speak " to me one way or the other.

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Inga,

Yes, there is quite a difference in their approaches and beliefs.

Very few people on this list, I think, would agree that keeping the amalgams

in is a safe idea.

The redistribution issue is a problem for many of us. Also, how the TD-DMPS

is (maybe?) pulling out of the brain without ALA.

Unfortunately, this is an emerging science, which means there is a lot of

trial and error.

Barb

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OKAY...NOW I AM REALLY CONFUSED

I have not been at this site too much lately...so sorry if I am asking a

dumb question. It seems that what Buttar recommends is almost 180 degrees

opposite of what Cutler recommends. Is that the correct understanding?

One recommends no re-distribution and amalgam removel, and the other

recommends redistribution and keeping the amalgams in.

This is an interesting article and I chelated with DMSA for several months,

and now I am giving myself a break until I figure out what I am going to do

next.

My very being tells me that I HAVE to get the Hg out, and get it out

quick....some are telling me that THAT is also not a good idea.

Soooo.....Can anybody shed a little more light on any of this for me?

Thanks,

Inga

>

>

>

> My frien Dana already made that job and I think everyone should read it to

> clear those questions and many more.

>

> here is a cut and paste of that:

>

> DefeatAutismYesterday.com-

>

> With Shared Knowledge.More Kids will Heal!!!

>

>

> Dr. Buttar (Boo-TAR)- Oct. 1st, 2004 DefeatAutismYesterday Conference

>

> 6:15-10:30pm

>

>

>

>

>

> Methods of Mercury Toxicity

>

> -breathing in toxic vapors

>

> -in utero-1 out of 8 women are mercury toxic because of amalgams and other

> things

>

> -Fish Industry is about 10% of the cause of mercury poisoning

>

> -Immunizations, epidurals, anesthesia

>

> -Lead and all other metals are not nearly as neurotoxic as mercury. Only

> Uranium and Plutonium are as toxic, yet they are not prevalent in our

> environment like mercury

>

> -Most of us suffer from CHRONIC mercury toxicity and it's effects

>

> -Mercury is heavily correlated with Cancer and Heart disease patients

>

> -Cancer and heart disease account for 8 out of 10 deaths from all

> diseases,

> wars, illnesses, injuries combined

>

> -Autism is now 1 in 149 kids

>

> -Vaccines still have Mercury (Hg) because the pharmaceutical companies

> legally

> don't have to tell you how much is in there during manufacturing. They

> are

> only required to tell you if they preserve it with mercury. So, plenty of

> mercury is still in the vaccines even if you read the label and it shows

> none.

>

> -Check for ongoing toxicity coming from the environment like where you

> live

> and the direction the wind blows. Is there combustion of fossil fuels

> even

> several hours away but the wind is blowing toward you?

>

> -There is no other substance, not vitamin deficiencies, lead, yeast, food

> allergies, etc. that could possibly cause a normally developing child who

> is

> speaking words by 11-12 months, to lose all speech and become autistic by

> 14-21 months. The only thing that could have caused this severe of brain

> damage is mercury (Hg.)

>

>

>

> Hepatitis B Vaccination

>

> -Useful for IV Drug Users, Prostitutes, and Health Care Providers

>

> -A person needs 3 shots to become immunized to anything

>

> -With Hep B, we need boosters because it only lasts 8-10 years

>

> -We give newborns a shot of Hep B in the first 12 hours of life

>

> -Therefore, are we really concerned that our baby will become an IV Drug

> User,

> Prostitute or even a Health Care Provider in the first 10 years of life

> when

> neurological development is so crucial?

>

>

>

> Biliary Tract

>

> -The biliary tract is God's way of detoxing yourself. God put it in our

> bodies to have toxins, like heavy metals, move out that way. But, the

> biliary

> tract is NOT functional until after the first year of life, so our kids

> have

> no way of detoxing themselves until after age 1

>

> (I hear this over & over from all the Naturopathic.awesome doctors I have

> gone

> thru)

>

>

>

> TD-DMPS - misc. info

>

> Okay.Okay.Okay.I am going to say it hear & will say it to Dr Buttar (like

> I

> did during my interview with him in July) personally next week.When you

> read

> what is below, you need to remember.One of Dr Buttar's specialties is

> removing

> toxins (esp. mercury) from the body. Because of that he has had great

> success

> with kids with autism. His specialty is not RECOVERING THE BRAIN once it

> is

> detoxed.SO DO NOT allow anything he says dissuade you if you have an older

> child! He is simply not willing to say he has arrived at complete recovery

> beyond the age of 9. yet, because he hasn't had it happen.yet! This is

> where

> the work of Dr. Amy Yasko comes in (some of her fastest recoveries are

> with

> older children).go to: AutismAnswer.com & read about RNA & special

> protocols

> (at a certain time in the healing process) to re-myelinate the damaged

> nerves.

> Then there are places like The Brain Institute & NACD.org who specialize

> in

> activities to heal the brain. & all kinds of other things.so Go Forth &

> Heal!

> & read on.

>

> -For severe cases of ASD, TD-DMPS is only effective for children under the

> age

> of 9 (for a complete cure). It has helped adults and will help everyone

> who

> is metal poisoned, especially mercury poisoned.

>

> -He has had children over the age of 11 with mild autism or adhd, recover

> completely

>

> -Viral Titres, allergies metabolic problems like thyroid disorders, which

> are

> common in our kids, immune system problems, are all from mercury poisoning

>

> -Kids on TD-DMPS tend to have growth spurts like crazy, like 2 of his

> patients

> who grew 6 inches in 6 months after getting rid of the poison in their

> bodies

>

> -Getting rid of the poison, gets rid of the symptoms of autism and the

> health

> problems too

>

> -Transdermal DMPS is a ratio of 4 parts glutathione to 1 part DMPS

> conjugated

> with amino acids (My understanding from Tom at College Pharmacy is that it

> is

> actually the amino acids that make up glutathione rather than glut itself)

>

> -The glutathione allows the sulfhydryl to work better and is really a

> great

> substance in general especially for chelation and is in every cell of our

> body

> and

>

> diminishes with old age (healthy elderly people are found to have more of

> it

> present in their cells)

>

> -You may see a worsening of behavior in an ASD child approximately 1-2

> months

> into usage with DMPS, but you may also see improvement in social and

> speech

> areas. This improvement is evidence that it is working and you must keep

> the

> dose to as maximum as possible even with a rash because the rashes and

> behavior are temporary. If you stop usage, you will not start back where

> you

> left off.

>

>

>

> (one way to help keep the liver & kidneys functioning well is by adding

> homeopathics: Unda 2, 48, 458 or HEEL Detox) which should help limit

> exacerbations of behaviors & addressing methylation should help with this

> too!

>

>

>

> Autism Commonalities

>

> These kids are always:

>

> 1. Mercury Toxic

>

> 2. Extremely Bright (Gordon & Yasko say this too!)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Amalgams

>

> Each new filling is leaking 500 nanograms of mercury per day. Old

> fillings,

> even from 20-year old cadavers are leaking about 9 nanograms per day of

> mercury.

>

>

>

> Case Study -

>

> came in to Dr. Buttar and said she had seen 16 doctors and had been

> tested for everything and nobody could help her. She had a lot of pain,

> strange systemic problems, severe depression, headaches, etc. and said to

> Dr.

> Buttar while patting her purse, " If you can't help me, I will help

> myself. "

> Not sure what was inside her purse - gun or maybe pills.

>

> Dr. Buttar said that he could definitely help her and that she was

> probably

> just poisoned with mercury (Hg). She said she had already been tested for

> mercury levels and had taken DMSA challenge tests and that she did not

> show

> high mercury levels. Her level of Hg was 2.3 at the time. She again

> asked

> Dr. Buttar if he was still sure that he could treat her? He made her sign

> an

> agreement that she would not try to kill herself and that they needed to

> try

> his protocol and they would find out in time if it was going to help her.

> He

> put on TD-DMPS.

>

>

>

> Here's the date and 's Hg levels:

>

> Early year 2000 2.3

>

> March 2000 2.8

>

> October 2000 9.4

>

> March 2001 19 - her mercury level was high yet symptoms had

> diminished greatly

>

> October 2001 27 - She is almost symptom free at this point yet

> her

> mercury levels are off the chart

>

> Mid 2002 8.7 - Two and a half years into treatment, she

> has

> no symptoms and Hg levels are finally coming down but still elevated. She

> is

> still on TD-DMPS at this point.

>

>

>

> Summary: had only one amalgam in her mouth but had worked in a

> chemical

> plant in her late 20's and transported mysterious items in a truck and

> that is

> when her symptoms started to appear. Buttar believes she was exposed to

> high

> Hg levels at this job. She recovered completely on TD-DMPS for almost 3

> years.

>

>

>

> Abi (AB-ee) Buttar

>

> His son was born Jan. 1999, after he had given up on treating ASD kids in

> his

> practice because they were too difficult to treat. " God must have given

> me

> Abi so I could learn how to treat other children " and come up with this

> formula (TD-DMPS). Abi was diagnosed with autism and treated with TD-DMPS

> starting at age 3 and had no diet change. He was non-verbal, except for

> saying continually, " Day, Day, Day, Day. " Five months to chelation with

> TD-DMPS, Abi was talking full sentences. With hair analysis of his son,

> only

> arsenic, antimony, tin and nickel showed up. Mercury in fecal and urine

> at

> first testing was at a 1.9. This is typical of ASD kids on his protocol

> to

> show low levels of mercury naturally coming out because they cannot detox

> themselves. Normal kids have high levels of mercury in their hair and

> autistic

> kids have very low levels. During continuous chelation treatment, as

> those 4

> metals go up high and then come down, that is when the mercury levels

> first

> start to

> appear. As the mercury levels start going up, you must be consistent with

> the

> treatment! TD-DMPS was continued until the Hg levels spiked and then

> went

> all the way down. He now chelates his son for one month every year

> because of

> a flawed detoxification pathway that is evident in all children with ASD.

> ASD is not autism, it is mercury poisoning because our kids cannot

> detoxify

> themselves.

>

>

>

> -With DMPS oral, Abi's Hg levels were off the charts as compared to when

> he

> used DMSA oral. There is a tremendous difference in how the two chelate.

>

>

>

> -Some parents quit the TD-DMPS chelating process after 2 months because of

> yeast flare-ups. The key to getting the mercury to come out and why my

> protocol works at all: is using it Continuously! If yeast shows up, then

> you

> treat it, but you keep the DMPS dosage as close to maximum as possible

> because

> it is the fire causing all the other problems. You must get the poison

> out so

> you can then see what is left and deal with the other problems that remain

> after eliminating the main one. You have no idea how much mercury is in a

> body until you remain on the protocol for a while. The other metals have

> to

> come out before the mercury will start to budge. If you quit, then you

> will

> not get to the mercury and you may not start back where you left off. He

> originally had to chelate his son every other day because of visitation

> rights

> during his nasty divorce from his ex-wife. However, in the process of

> healing

> his son, he did experiment with chelation every day and did not get the

> same

> results and pulled out less mercury than when he chelated every other day.

> This is because he believes the body has to redistribute the mercury and

> needs

> 48 hours to do it. You chelate a little bit out every 48 hours.

>

>

>

> AMT Pharmacy

>

> Dr. Buttar originally used College pharmacy owned by Tom----. College

> pharmacy followed Dr. Buttar's protocol on making DMPS. Now, College

> pharmacy, located in North Carolina, is called AMT Pharmacy. (You can call

> AMT's Gentile at (866) 828-8203 X156 or locally at (704) 892-1874

> (this is a fax # & as you can probably imagine they are incredibly busy so

> PLEASE be patient with them.ALSO, TO EXPEDITE YOUR ORDER in addition to

> the Rx

> make sure it contains: recipient shipping address, credit card info & DOB

> of

> patient otherwise it will take an extra week for them to call you back &

> get

> this info) to order TD-DMPS. The approximate cost for a 45-pound child is

> $160 for a two-month supply and they can ship the prescription to you once

> your doctor calls it in. This info was not given out at the conference.

> Dr.

> Buttar was not there to sell anything and spoke at this conference for

> free

> and insisted on having no charge for the parents and all attendees.)

>

>

>

> Types of Rashes with DMPS

>

> 1. Oxidative Reaction - like a burn because DMPS cannot be stabilized

> easily and Dr. Buttar is the first to come up with a way to do this. AMT

> pharmacy is the best because they follow Dr. Buttar's protocol for

> stabilizing

> (making) the TD-DMPS. Some parents are reporting this type of burning or

> oxidative reaction with TD-DMPS from other pharmacies.)

>

> 2. Transdermal Local - This is a rash where you put the drops on and

> it is

> not a problem and clears up on it's own

>

> 3. Mercury Mobilization issue- You may see a rash in places other than

> where the TD-DMPS was applied. This is from the mercury being moved

> around in

> the body and mobilized so that it can move out. It will clear up.

>

>

>

> (Dr Yasko & many other naturopaths believe any immune enhancement can

> stimulate a " healing crisis " which can produce a " viral rash " )

>

>

>

> " If you don't know what to do, pray, then follow your gut because that's

> God's

> way of speaking to you. " - Dr. Buttar

>

>

>

> ___________________________________I stopped adding here!

>

> His research study with ASD kids

>

> -All 31 children were diagnosed (Dx) with Autistic Disorder or PDD

>

> -All children were initially tested for red blood cell metals, hair

> metals,

> mineral levels, urine metal toxicity, and fecal metal toxicity

>

> -All 31 kids showed initial low levels of mercury just like in cancer

> patients, the Hg is not readily visible right away. It shows up later on.

>

> -It would seem logical to just test the feces, since that's how DMPS

> works,

> but some kids have metals coming out in different ways so we tested urine

> and

> hair and I like lots of testing, at least for my research we did it that

> way

>

> -Hair, fecal and urine metals and mineral levels were tested every 2

> months

> (he only did this extreme amount of testing for his study and says you

> don't

> need to do as much testing as he did if you want to use it on your child)

>

> -After 10 months of using TD-DMPS, the children were tested for minerals,

> hair, fecal and urine metals only every 4 months

>

> -All 31 patients showed higher levels of Hg as continuous treatment went

> on

>

> -As more Hg came out, kids had more improvement in symptoms by far, even

> though mercury levels were off the charts

>

> -Treatment was continued until Hg levels finally came back down

>

>

>

> DMPS vs. other chelators

>

> -Mercury binds to sulfhydryl groups and DMSA has only one but DMPS has 2

> sulfhydryl groups, making it significantly more effective

>

> -Thus, DMSA is much slower than DMPS at chelating

>

> -DMSA is considered a neurotoxin and makes kids flaccid, or dead-like

> looking

> because of the molecular structure. Have you noticed this look when your

> kids

> are on DMSA?

>

> -DMPS is approved in Europe but DMSA is not because it is a neurotoxin

>

> -DMPS IV is not good because it is a one-time thing. It is the slow,

> continuous pull that makes the difference

>

> -BAL is actually the most effective chelator but can cause death 22% of

> the

> time

>

> -EDTA is not good for pulling mercury, EDTA is the best at pulling

> cadmium.

> Cadmium is what may cause hypertension but you can't pull the cadmium out

> well

> until you have started pulling the mercury out, so if hypertension is a

> problem, you need to alternate with TD-DMPS and EDTA transdermal or

> suppository. You still need to get the mercury out first if cadmium is a

> problem.

>

> -DMPS suppositories work well like transdermal (TD) DMPS but kids don't

> like

> them and push them out

>

> -Oral DMPS is not absorbed well especially with leaky guts

>

>

>

>

>

> Blood-Brain Barrier

>

> He's not sure that there is one. But if there is, DMSA does cross the

> barrier

> and DMPS does not. He likes chelation every 48 hours because this gives

> the

> body time to redistribute the mercury and you deplete a small amount every

> other day. It is like removing a little bit of mercury from a bottle of

> toxic

> water then pouring the cleaned water back in the bottle. The remaining

> mercury will redistribute itself and all the molecules will move around so

> that more can be pulled out. He likes to chelate every 48 hours for this

> reason.

>

>

>

>

>

> IV-DMPS

>

> -If you do this, there are some specific things you need to follow. Never

> give an IV push, only give an IV drip.

>

> -You must read http://www.DMPSbackfire.com/if you wish to do an IV DMPS.

> He

> tells all his patients to read this website before doing an IV DMPS and if

> they still want it, to come back. In general, all those doctors reported

> on

> that web site, made big mistakes because they did not know what they were

> doing.

>

> -You must find a doctor who is board certified to do an IV DMPS. Only 186

> doctors in USA are board certified for IV DMPS. DMPS is dangerous when

> given

> in an IV form, so make sure you find a doctor who knows what they are

> doing.

>

> -Our kids won't take IV's and admitting them to the hospital is costly so

> IV

> DMPS doesn't work

>

> -The half-life of IV-DMPS is much shorter than TD-DMPS, so you are

> chelating

> for a much shorter amount of time with the IV than the lotion.

>

> -Check out http://www.nomercury.org/for more information

>

> - " Transdermal DMPS is something that any doctor can prescribe. You don't

> need

> me (Dr. Buttar.) TD is much safer than the IV. I also have a year-long

> wait

> list. Just get any doctor to call and get the protocol and start taking

> the

> prescription right away. You need to get the metals out as fast as you

> can.

>

>

>

>

>

> Dr. Buttar's protocol for TD-DMPS

>

> -The protocol is available for doctors through AMT pharmacy

>

> -Each drop of TD-DMPS is .987mg of DMPS, so measure per body weight

>

> -AMT pharmacy will compound the appropriate 4:1 GSH to DMPS mixture

>

> -For AMT pharmacy, Dose at 1.5mg/kg of body weight every 48 hours (take

> child's weight, convert to kilograms; 1 pound = 0.4536kg OR you can take

> child's weight in pounds and multiply by .682 drops for the appropriate

> drops

> every 48 hours)

>

> -Never exceed 60 drops on any given day regardless of person's weight,

> unless

> it is for a challenge dose

>

> -A challenge dose is used to collect metal tests of urine, feces, hair or

> blood. This is only done no more than once every 2 months. The amount of

> TD-DMPS drops should be doubled for the challenge dose and urine should be

> collected for the next 12 hours. Feces and blood should be collected

> within 24

> hours of the challenge.

>

> -At exactly 24 hours after taking the TD-DMPS, you should give the child

> double the daily dose of minerals. You should take a multiple mineral

> supplement and extra calcium, magnesium is especially important. Often

> the

> regression we sometimes see in these children is not a yeast flare-up but

> a

> magnesium deficiency because DMPS is really good at pulling magnesium out.

> Make sure the child is well mineralized on the Off Days. All mineral

> supplements are good. I like them all. (MinerALL from

> http://www.vitalitywellness.com/and Multiple Mineral Complex Pro-Support

> as

> well as Calcium Magnesium Liquid from http://www.KirkmanLabs.com/are good.

> Dr. Buttar is in the process of formulating his own mineral formulation

> but it

> is not ready yet.)

>

> -place the drops in the child's hand and have them take their own medicine

> by

> rubbing it on their forearms, biceps, back of knees (stomach, buttocks,

> back

> not good) find a place where veins are showing and have them rub it in.

>

> -Do not touch the child's medicine! Get your own! They need the full

> dosage

> and you will be using some if you touch it. Don't use gloves because they

> are

> made of rubber and have a powder coating, which is all potentially toxic.

> You

> need to stay away from toxins.

>

>

>

>

>

> Question and Answer session with Dr. Buttar

>

> Q: Should a person do chlorella with DMPS? A: Chlorella is a natural

> substance from aquatic sources and sequesters mercury from the

> environment.

> Cilantro also does this. So, it is questionable if these items are giving

> your child more mercury in the first place. Just use DMPS because topical

> DMPS is being sucked up by the nerves and goes straight into the brain and

> by-passes the liver. DMPS completely by-passes the gut. Topical DMPS is

> absorbed through the skin. You don't need anything else.

>

>

>

> Q: Where would high levels of uranium come from and how would you get rid

> of

> it? A: Sources of uranium are multiple. Uranium could come from water,

> air,

> nuclear sites and yes, DMPS chelates it well.

>

>

>

> Q: What do you think about hyperbaric chamber therapy (HBOT - Hyperbaric

> Oxygen Therapy) used in conjunction with DMPS? A: I've had children with

> every type of therapy and biomedical treatment imaginable, including stem

> cell

> replacement, in my office as my patients. What these patients are

> reporting

> is that they get better on biomedical interventions, then level off and

> don't

> improve anymore. But, with DMPS, they keep the gains because the whole

> problem is mercury toxicity in the first place. You don't want to

> re-build

> the brain until you have stopped the degeneration of brain cells from

> poison.

> You don't want to put a roof on your house while there is a fire inside.

> You

> put the roof back on the house after the fire is out! After you get rid

> of

> the poison that is damaging their brains (mercury), the kids go right

> back to

> where they left off developmentally and you can start to put the pieces

> back

> together and real healing can occur after that. But, you have to get the

> poison out first because it is what's causing the problem in the first

> place.

> There is some research going on with hyperbarics (HBOT) and they may allow

> metals to be moved out maybe, but we don't know.

>

>

>

> Q: Minerals? What when and how much do you give when you are chelating?

> A:

> We didn't get good results when we were doing DMPS everyday with Abi. It

> may

> have been because mineral depletion was too severe. We also didn't move

> as

> many metals out. So we dosed DMPS every other day at the same time. Say,

> 3:30pm everyday. You do the minerals exactly 24 hours later, like at

> 3:30pm

> and you double the amount. All minerals are good. There isn't one that

> is

> better than another. Manganese, Selenium, Zinc are all good. The thyroid

> and

> other metabolic problems come back after getting rid of the Hg. One of my

> patients actually had his thyroid come back after a complete

> non-functioning

> thyroid for years. Hormones level off either up or down to their proper

> status after proper chelation. I've had husbands thank me for giving them

> their wives back. Hg causes a reaction in so many metabolic processes

> that

> you even get rid of the detoxification function itself. You don't need to

> prepare

> a person before hand with minerals, but you can if you want. I never did.

> If

> any mineral is low, we up the dose to 3 or 5 times what that amount should

> be.

>

>

>

> Q: Yeast? How is this caused? A: Yeast is not caused by DMPS or even

> DMSA

> for that matter. The yeast is caused because they are immunosuppressed.

> Mercury is an immunosuppressant. The white blood cells are too low in

> autism

> because they are immunosuppressed. The only people immunosuppressed are

> Transplant patients, cancer patients, AIDS and those with autoimmune

> disorders.

>

>

>

> Q: Do you suggest doing Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) along with DMPS? A: You

> don't need ALA with DMPS. If a person wants it that is fine but they

> don't

> need it.

>

>

>

> Q: How about special diets to cure autism in conjunction with the TD-DMPS?

> A:

> I never used a special diet on my son. Only 25% of the kids need a

> special

> diet.

>

>

>

> Q: Is DMSA a slow chelator then? A: DMPS is 10 times faster at chelating

> than

> DMSA. That extra sulfhydryl group makes it synergistically a much faster

> chelator.

>

>

>

> Q: Is lead bad and toxic? A: Metals become more toxic the more you have.

> They work synergistically when contained together. DMPS will chelate

> lead

> and some cadmium even.

>

>

>

> Q: How do you administer TD-DMPS? A: A child takes it, rubs it in, you

> put it

> in their hand not yours. It is almost like they know they need it. At

> least

> it was that way with my son, Abi. Don't use a glove because it is latex

> and

> may have powder coating - both chemicals you don't want to risk using.

> You

> rub the child's arms together if they can't do it but THEY TAKE THEIR OWN

> MEDICINE. DMPS does smell, but you will learn to deal with it. Put it on

> the

> back of the legs, thighs are good, forearm, biceps are all good. The

> stomach

> is not good because you need a vascular spot (place showing veins.)

>

>

>

> Q: I've heard that autistic kids have larger head sizes than normal and

> decreased blood flow to the brain. Does head size return to normal and

> blood

> flow after TD-DMPS? A: You need to pull the metals out. The body is

> trying

> to get rid of metals by flushing areas out with blood and possibly

> restricting

> blood to other areas as well. Head size and everything else may heal.

>

>

>

> Q: Are there preservatives, like thimerosol, in epidurals and anesthesia

> as

> well as vaccinations? A: Yes, all shots, anesthesia, epidurals, Rhogam

> and

> vaccinations, even the ones that don't list thimerosol, still have mercury

> because they are not required to list it during manufacturing. An infant

> may

> receive more than 60 times the amount of mercury that is considered safe

> from

> one doctor visit with several shots (video clip presented.)

>

>

>

> Q: Is there anything that would keep a person from using DMPS in a

> patient, a

> contraindication? A: Only if a person had an anaphylactic reaction to it

> which is extremely rare

>

>

>

> Q: Do you use TD-DMPS with amalgams or do you remove them first? A: Get

> the

> mercury out of the body because removing amalgams can be very expensive.

> Just

> chelate the mercury and don't remove the amalgams. If you do remove the

> amalgams, it is a good thing to get an IV-DMPS within 12 hours because the

> mercury floating around the body is so high, but you can chelate with the

> amalgams still in there. They will not disintegrate or fall apart.

>

>

>

> Q: Do you treat yeast before doing TD-DMPS? A: No, we prescribe

> anti-fungals

> during treatment to maintain the yeast gone and use probiotics, etc. for

> yeast. Yeast creates an additional stress to the body but mercury is the

> underlying issue for immune dysfunction and thus, yeast.

>

>

>

> Q: Do you chelate your son still? A: Maybe one month a year I chelate

> him

> since those with autism have an underlying detoxification pathway and that

> is

> why they are autistic in the first place.

>

>

>

> Q: Medications like Risperdol, Zoloft, do you use those with DMPS? A:

> Some

> meds you need to wean off slowly, some you need to keep on, but most meds,

> you

> should just take off cold turkey. Anti-Seizure meds induce seizures! It

> says

> so in the PDR (physicians desk reference) under side effects. It really

> could

> be mercury toxicity that is causing the seizures in the first place. You

> need

> to take out all the stuff that the body was not meant to have, maybe add a

> few

> natural supplements, but the body heals itself after you get the mercury

> out.

>

>

>

> Q: What if Hg is through the roof on initial testing? A: Still treat

> with

> TD-DMPS, but likely this child will be less severe ASD because this shows

> they

> are excreting. TD-DMPS will help the child excrete faster.

>

>

>

> Q: Is 3 months of treatment on TD-DMPS enough even though the child is

> mostly

> recovered? A: No, 3 months is not enough for anyone. Even if a child

> did

> DMSA for a year or more before starting DMPS, DMSA is a slow chelator.

> You

> must be consistent for at least 6-12 months on DMPS to remove all the

> mercury

> in a partially chelated child. You don't want your child to remain even

> 10%

> autistic.

>

>

>

> Q: Do you use Methyl B12 on your patients? A: Yes, we now use it in

> conjunction with TD-DMPS, but did not on the original study.

>

>

>

> Q: Are the kids on TD-DMPS for life then? A: Maybe they need it one

> month

> out of 12 (in a pulse mode) for the rest of their life, I don't know.

> They

> are non-detoxers and need extra help to counteract the things in the

> environment.

>

>

>

> Q: Do you treat cadmium removal with TD-DMPS? A: No, get TD-EDTA for

> cadmium. Use TD-DMPS first to get Hg out, then TD-EDTA for cadmium or a

> suppository of EDTA. EDTA is an easier pull of cadmium than DMPS. Go for

> the

> Hg first because it causes the most damage in our bodies, by far. Then

> get

> rid of cadmium. Always treat Hg first, even if it is lower, much lower

> than

> the other metals present.

>

>

>

> Q: Do you chelate normal siblings of autistic kids? A: Yes, you can

> especially if they have weird physical symptoms or ADD. It is much more

> crucial to chelate in a developing brain, than a developed brain.

>

>

>

> Q: Do you prefer IV-DMPS? A: I prefer TD-DMPS because it is slower,

> safer

> and a continuous flow. You could do an IV drip once every other week in

> addition to the lotion, but it is not crucial.

>

> lindajaytee <lindajaytee@...> wrote:

>

> ,

> I am wondering if you would be so kind as to try to find out the

> answer to the question about the kinetics of TD-DMPS (see below). I

> was thinking that someone on one of the other TD-DMPS boards is bound

> to have the answer to that question and probably wouldn't mind if the

> answer is shared with everyone here. The question of kinetics of TD-

> DMPS is a very important one. Surely one of the doctors who is using

> it on his patients would be able to give you the citation of a study

> that has been used to determine the kinetics of transdermal DMPS.

> Thanks so much

>

>

>

> This part is from A-M message no. 124798:

>

> I've been struggling with the same question. Would you please email me

> if you come across any answers outside of what gets posted here? I'd

> really really appreciate it. Thanks.

>

>

>

>>>

>>> Hi,

>>>

>>> My DAN doctor has recommended I chelate my son with Chlorella. I

>>> had read in J. McCandless's book " Children With Starving Brains "

>>> that chelating with Chlorella was not a good idea. There were no

>>> examples of what had happened. Does anyone know anyone harmed by

>>> use of Chlorella? We will be using it along with Lipoic Acid.

>>>

>>> The Chlorella we have is distributed by Morin Laboratories Inc.

>>>

>>> We have previously chelated with DMSA at 1/2 dose because of a

>>> reaction. (On and off for 3 years) Also have used Metal-free for

> 6

>>> months of last year. Matt had chronic mouth sores (after 5 weeks

>> of

>>> metal free we would have to stop due to a mouth sore). Matt has

>> been

>>> free of any chelating for last 10 months.

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>> Peg

>>> Mom to , 11, and , 9, ASD & GFCFSFEFNFCF

>

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

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Gosh, Ingrid, I'd almost think in your situation doing the oral for a while

might be more prudent??? That's just my opinion FWIW, which probably isn't

much? When I hear about the tough stuff these kids go through, I wonder if

you should get your levels down a bit first. Other opinions?

Barb

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>

> Do you, or does ANYBODY know how I can get some of this TD-DMPS without a

> doctor? I am financially in the poor house and am struggling on my own. I

> thought I heard that you can get it in Europe without prescription. Is

> that

> correct? How are people getting it that can't afford a doctor?

>

> I am game to try this, at least for a bit. As sensitive as I am, I am sure

> my body will " speak " to me one way or the other.

>

>

>>

>> You have it in a nutshell! It appears that the one day on one day off

>> useage

>> with the TD DMPS is at the heart of its success. Doesn;t make sense to me

>> either. We have done 70 rounds with Andys protocol over 2.5 years and

>> have had

>> some gains but nothing like I was expecting or hoping for when I started

>> and I

>> am a realistic person!

>>

>> I HAVE to try this stuff, I've been reading reports of people using for 6

>> months now

>

> Well...and what do their reports say?

> And - would it work the same for an adult?

>>

>> and I am going to try the alternative day dosing and see what

>> happens. If I feel there are negatives by way of redistribution I will

>> stop

>> and go

>> back to the DMSA/ALA.

>>

>> I'm not comfortable with the no minerals on the on days bit and plan to

>> give

>> Cal and Mag at least which I know Sam will need and double up on

>> everything

>> on the off days as per protocol.

>>

>> He is doing well on the Lipo GSH

>

> What is that?

>

> ~Inga...................

>

>>we have worked up to 1/8 tsp twice daily

>> over a week and have had some great reports from school - including his

>> first

>> day off the last DMSA/ALA round when he is usually tired and a bit stimmy

>> :)

>>

>> I'll post how we get on :)

>>

>> Mandi in UK

>> ======================

>> I have not been at this site too much lately...so sorry if I am asking a

>> dumb question. It seems that what Buttar recommends is almost 180

>> degrees

>> opposite of what Cutler recommends. Is that the correct understanding?

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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I'm not going to rush out and spend all of that money on TD-DMPS. I

do think that Andy's protocol is much, much safer. Maybe slower, and

maybe slower is a very good thing. One of the things that Hal

Huggins (his books are all available at amazon.com) warns about is if

the mercury is moved too quickly the risk of cancer is very greatly

increased. Even Buttar talks about the mercury cancer association.

Slower is safer. There are lots of variables in Andy's protocol that

can help the situation. We were talking about one such variable the

other day. Do some people need to replace cortisol? The part that

really, really bothers me about Buttar's protocol is that people are

not allowed to take breaks. That has to be very hard on the body.

Not to mention how hard it is to cope with all of the redistribution

symptoms.

Maybe transdermal DMPS every 8 hours with breaks might be ok? I'd

still like to see the kinetics data.

I am starting to think that maybe there is something to the

transdermal or lipoceutical glutathione.

> Gosh, Ingrid, I'd almost think in your situation doing the oral for

a while

> might be more prudent??? That's just my opinion FWIW, which

probably isn't

> much? When I hear about the tough stuff these kids go through, I

wonder if

> you should get your levels down a bit first. Other opinions?

>

> Barb

> Re: [ ] *TD-DMPS

>

>

> >

> > Do you, or does ANYBODY know how I can get some of this TD-DMPS

without a

> > doctor? I am financially in the poor house and am struggling on

my own. I

> > thought I heard that you can get it in Europe without

prescription. Is

> > that

> > correct? How are people getting it that can't afford a doctor?

> >

> > I am game to try this, at least for a bit. As sensitive as I am,

I am sure

> > my body will " speak " to me one way or the other.

> >

> >

> >>

> >> You have it in a nutshell! It appears that the one day on one

day off

> >> useage

> >> with the TD DMPS is at the heart of its success. Doesn;t make

sense to me

> >> either. We have done 70 rounds with Andys protocol over 2.5

years and

> >> have had

> >> some gains but nothing like I was expecting or hoping for when I

started

> >> and I

> >> am a realistic person!

> >>

> >> I HAVE to try this stuff, I've been reading reports of people

using for 6

> >> months now

> >

> > Well...and what do their reports say?

> > And - would it work the same for an adult?

> >>

> >> and I am going to try the alternative day dosing and see what

> >> happens. If I feel there are negatives by way of redistribution

I will

> >> stop

> >> and go

> >> back to the DMSA/ALA.

> >>

> >> I'm not comfortable with the no minerals on the on days bit and

plan to

> >> give

> >> Cal and Mag at least which I know Sam will need and double up on

> >> everything

> >> on the off days as per protocol.

> >>

> >> He is doing well on the Lipo GSH

> >

> > What is that?

> >

> > ~Inga...................

> >

> >>we have worked up to 1/8 tsp twice daily

> >> over a week and have had some great reports from school -

including his

> >> first

> >> day off the last DMSA/ALA round when he is usually tired and a

bit stimmy

> >> :)

> >>

> >> I'll post how we get on :)

> >>

> >> Mandi in UK

> >> ======================

> >> I have not been at this site too much lately...so sorry if I am

asking a

> >> dumb question. It seems that what Buttar recommends is almost

180

> >> degrees

> >> opposite of what Cutler recommends. Is that the correct

understanding?

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As the British military always says in the movies, " wait for it, wait for

it... " .

As for transdermal DMPS it's hard to imagine that it is a very effective method

for removing mercury. As I understand it IV (I am against them) will get 100% in

the body, oral intake will get 16% to 24% into the body, and while I do not know

exactly how much I do figure that transdermal has to be less than either of the

other two. As I read this transdermal formula has a life of what ....two hours?

I mean come on.........

I could be wrong, but there has to be something *else* in the transdermal

formula that is accounting for such remarkably fast improvements. Until we

understand the full content of the formula, I am doubtful the positive effects

are directly related to the DMPS side of the formula. DMPS has been around for a

long enough period of time that if it did work wonders we'd all be advised to

use it.

At this point I won't rule out that all of this excitement could be similar to

the " placebo " effect that many were experiencing with the secretin " rush " .

Secretin was highly sought after by parents as a result of a crafty ad campaign,

but if failed to be any better than sugar in clinical trials. That means either

all the kids in the trial just decided to have a bad day at the wrong time, or

the stuff didn't work better than sugar.

Re: [ ] *TD-DMPS

>

>

> >

> > Do you, or does ANYBODY know how I can get some of this TD-DMPS

without a

> > doctor? I am financially in the poor house and am struggling on

my own. I

> > thought I heard that you can get it in Europe without

prescription. Is

> > that

> > correct? How are people getting it that can't afford a doctor?

> >

> > I am game to try this, at least for a bit. As sensitive as I am,

I am sure

> > my body will " speak " to me one way or the other.

> >

> >

> >>

> >> You have it in a nutshell! It appears that the one day on one

day off

> >> useage

> >> with the TD DMPS is at the heart of its success. Doesn;t make

sense to me

> >> either. We have done 70 rounds with Andys protocol over 2.5

years and

> >> have had

> >> some gains but nothing like I was expecting or hoping for when I

started

> >> and I

> >> am a realistic person!

> >>

> >> I HAVE to try this stuff, I've been reading reports of people

using for 6

> >> months now

> >

> > Well...and what do their reports say?

> > And - would it work the same for an adult?

> >>

> >> and I am going to try the alternative day dosing and see what

> >> happens. If I feel there are negatives by way of redistribution

I will

> >> stop

> >> and go

> >> back to the DMSA/ALA.

> >>

> >> I'm not comfortable with the no minerals on the on days bit and

plan to

> >> give

> >> Cal and Mag at least which I know Sam will need and double up on

> >> everything

> >> on the off days as per protocol.

> >>

> >> He is doing well on the Lipo GSH

> >

> > What is that?

> >

> > ~Inga...................

> >

> >>we have worked up to 1/8 tsp twice daily

> >> over a week and have had some great reports from school -

including his

> >> first

> >> day off the last DMSA/ALA round when he is usually tired and a

bit stimmy

> >> :)

> >>

> >> I'll post how we get on :)

> >>

> >> Mandi in UK

> >> ======================

> >> I have not been at this site too much lately...so sorry if I am

asking a

> >> dumb question. It seems that what Buttar recommends is almost

180

> >> degrees

> >> opposite of what Cutler recommends. Is that the correct

understanding?

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Please Do not especulate about TD-Dmps without trying it first!

I am doing it and I see how my son went from " 0 " to 90% in just 3 months, it is

true that kids act up doring the treatment but it is nothing that you have not

seen before from a neurotypical brat kid, also the benefits over pases the

sacrifice I think we all should be more positive and encurage one to other to

try this stuff everykid deserves a try and as well desperate parents.

There is many things that you can do to help the detoxification process during

the use of TD-DMPS like magnetic pad, that will help mercury go aout of the body

instead of redistribution also a kids jumper will help with the hyperactivity

they usually get during the applications days of td-dmps also Lavander and

chamomile essensial oils a drop of each one in his feet and massage you will be

sorprice what this stuff does to come them down.

And many more, just be positive and find out what works best for your kid!

Cayce <stacyc@...> wrote:

I'm curious if there has been discussion or anyone using the TD DMPS daily

but breaking it down into smaller doses? That way there is a constant supply

in the blood stream.

Re: [ ] *TD-DMPS

You have it in a nutshell! It appears that the one day on one day off

useage with the TD DMPS is at the heart of its success. Doesn;t make sense

to me either. We have done 70 rounds with Andys protocol over 2.5 years and

have had some gains but nothing like I was expecting or hoping for when I

started and I am a realistic person!

I HAVE to try this stuff, I've been reading reports of people using for 6

months now and I am going to try the alternative day dosing and see what

happens. If I feel there are negatives by way of redistribution I will stop

and go back to the DMSA/ALA.

I'm not comfortable with the no minerals on the on days bit and plan to

give Cal and Mag at least which I know Sam will need and double up on

everything on the off days as per protocol.

He is doing well on the Lipo GSH we have worked up to 1/8 tsp twice daily

over a week and have had some great reports from school - including his

first day off the last DMSA/ALA round when he is usually tired and a bit

stimmy :)

I'll post how we get on :)

Mandi in UK

I have not been at this site too much lately...so sorry if I am asking a

dumb question. It seems that what Buttar recommends is almost 180 degrees

opposite of what Cutler recommends. Is that the correct understanding?

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What is megnatic pad and where is it available ?

Sharad

> I'm curious if there has been discussion or anyone using the TD

DMPS daily

> but breaking it down into smaller doses? That way there is a

constant supply

> in the blood stream.

>

> Re: [ ] *TD-DMPS

>

>

> You have it in a nutshell! It appears that the one day on one day

off

> useage with the TD DMPS is at the heart of its success. Doesn;t

make sense

> to me either. We have done 70 rounds with Andys protocol over 2.5

years and

> have had some gains but nothing like I was expecting or hoping for

when I

> started and I am a realistic person!

>

> I HAVE to try this stuff, I've been reading reports of people using

for 6

> months now and I am going to try the alternative day dosing and see

what

> happens. If I feel there are negatives by way of redistribution I

will stop

> and go back to the DMSA/ALA.

>

> I'm not comfortable with the no minerals on the on days bit and

plan to

> give Cal and Mag at least which I know Sam will need and double up

on

> everything on the off days as per protocol.

>

> He is doing well on the Lipo GSH we have worked up to 1/8 tsp twice

daily

> over a week and have had some great reports from school - including

his

> first day off the last DMSA/ALA round when he is usually tired and

a bit

> stimmy :)

>

> I'll post how we get on :)

>

> Mandi in UK

>

> I have not been at this site too much lately...so sorry if I am

asking a

> dumb question. It seems that what Buttar recommends is almost 180

degrees

> opposite of what Cutler recommends. Is that the correct

understanding?

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Ok here's what we have planned to do, not doing it yet as the TD DMPS has

not arrived

I saw a practitioner that Andy recommended to me, with the intentions of

following his protocol, then I find out about the TD, and my 2 year old is

having a heck of a time just allowing me to get basic minerals down him, I

fretted over giving him DMSA every 8 hours. I ran it by the practitioner,

she talked to Andy and we've agreed to give the TD a try, every 8 hours and

then a week off. If a dose is missed by 2 hours then we start a week off

right then and there and start over. I will give his supplements daily

though, he barely gets enough in as it is.

I'm beginning to feel like my child is going to be a bit of a guinea pig

here, I haven't read yet of anyone else trying it this way.

Shall I go crawl back into my hole?

[ ] Re: *TD-DMPS

I'm not going to rush out and spend all of that money on TD-DMPS. I do

think that Andy's protocol is much, much safer. Maybe slower, and maybe

slower is a very good thing. One of the things that Hal Huggins (his books

are all available at amazon.com) warns about is if the mercury is moved too

quickly the risk of cancer is very greatly increased. Even Buttar talks

about the mercury cancer association.

Slower is safer. There are lots of variables in Andy's protocol that can

help the situation. We were talking about one such variable the other day.

Do some people need to replace cortisol? The part that really, really

bothers me about Buttar's protocol is that people are not allowed to take

breaks. That has to be very hard on the body.

Not to mention how hard it is to cope with all of the redistribution

symptoms.

Maybe transdermal DMPS every 8 hours with breaks might be ok? I'd still

like to see the kinetics data.

I am starting to think that maybe there is something to the transdermal or

lipoceutical glutathione.

> Gosh, Ingrid, I'd almost think in your situation doing the oral for

a while

> might be more prudent??? That's just my opinion FWIW, which

probably isn't

> much? When I hear about the tough stuff these kids go through, I

wonder if

> you should get your levels down a bit first. Other opinions?

>

> Barb

> Re: [ ] *TD-DMPS

>

>

> >

> > Do you, or does ANYBODY know how I can get some of this TD-DMPS

without a

> > doctor? I am financially in the poor house and am struggling on

my own. I

> > thought I heard that you can get it in Europe without

prescription. Is

> > that

> > correct? How are people getting it that can't afford a doctor?

> >

> > I am game to try this, at least for a bit. As sensitive as I am,

I am sure

> > my body will " speak " to me one way or the other.

> >

> >

> >>

> >> You have it in a nutshell! It appears that the one day on one

day off

> >> useage

> >> with the TD DMPS is at the heart of its success. Doesn;t make

sense to me

> >> either. We have done 70 rounds with Andys protocol over 2.5

years and

> >> have had

> >> some gains but nothing like I was expecting or hoping for when I

started

> >> and I

> >> am a realistic person!

> >>

> >> I HAVE to try this stuff, I've been reading reports of people

using for 6

> >> months now

> >

> > Well...and what do their reports say?

> > And - would it work the same for an adult?

> >>

> >> and I am going to try the alternative day dosing and see what

> >> happens. If I feel there are negatives by way of redistribution

I will

> >> stop

> >> and go

> >> back to the DMSA/ALA.

> >>

> >> I'm not comfortable with the no minerals on the on days bit and

plan to

> >> give

> >> Cal and Mag at least which I know Sam will need and double up on

> >> everything on the off days as per protocol.

> >>

> >> He is doing well on the Lipo GSH

> >

> > What is that?

> >

> > ~Inga...................

> >

> >>we have worked up to 1/8 tsp twice daily over a week and have had

> >>some great reports from school -

including his

> >> first

> >> day off the last DMSA/ALA round when he is usually tired and a

bit stimmy

> >> :)

> >>

> >> I'll post how we get on :)

> >>

> >> Mandi in UK

> >> ======================

> >> I have not been at this site too much lately...so sorry if I am

asking a

> >> dumb question. It seems that what Buttar recommends is almost

180

> >> degrees

> >> opposite of what Cutler recommends. Is that the correct

understanding?

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Hi,

According to the Buttar info, the child is supposed to apply the TD by

him/herself. I also

have a two year-old. That would be an impossible task. What are you going to

do, ?

Thanks and good luck, Jill

> Ok here's what we have planned to do, not doing it yet as the TD DMPS has

> not arrived

>

> I saw a practitioner that Andy recommended to me, with the intentions of

> following his protocol, then I find out about the TD, and my 2 year old is

> having a heck of a time just allowing me to get basic minerals down him, I

> fretted over giving him DMSA every 8 hours. I ran it by the practitioner,

> she talked to Andy and we've agreed to give the TD a try, every 8 hours and

> then a week off. If a dose is missed by 2 hours then we start a week off

> right then and there and start over. I will give his supplements daily

> though, he barely gets enough in as it is.

>

> I'm beginning to feel like my child is going to be a bit of a guinea pig

> here, I haven't read yet of anyone else trying it this way.

>

> Shall I go crawl back into my hole?

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My son will apply it, I currently use mag sulfate cream from Kirkman labs

and he always has to put some on himself.

I plan on doing practice ahead of time and the weeks off using his mag

sulfate cream or just regular lotion to keep him in the habit.

[ ] Re: *TD-DMPS

Hi,

According to the Buttar info, the child is supposed to apply the TD by

him/herself. I also have a two year-old. That would be an impossible task.

What are you going to do, ?

Thanks and good luck, Jill

> Ok here's what we have planned to do, not doing it yet as the TD DMPS

> has not arrived

>

> I saw a practitioner that Andy recommended to me, with the intentions

> of following his protocol, then I find out about the TD, and my 2 year

> old is having a heck of a time just allowing me to get basic minerals

> down him, I fretted over giving him DMSA every 8 hours. I ran it by

> the practitioner, she talked to Andy and we've agreed to give the TD a

> try, every 8 hours and then a week off. If a dose is missed by 2 hours

> then we start a week off right then and there and start over. I will

> give his supplements daily though, he barely gets enough in as it is.

>

> I'm beginning to feel like my child is going to be a bit of a guinea

> pig here, I haven't read yet of anyone else trying it this way.

>

> Shall I go crawl back into my hole?

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>Please Do not especulate about TD-Dmps without trying it first!

This is completely unreasonable. Everything " NEW " needs a high level of

skepticism and it is completely healthy to reserve doubts. As far as I know

Dr. Butter is very proprietary and secretive about his concoction. Naturally

unless you are a money-grubbing jerk you will share what you know. His sales

are going through the roof and I have yet to see anything seriously

scientific.

You can make a million dollars before anybody realizes that your junk is no

good.

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This is a very important question that I haven't heard any answers

to!!!!

> I plan to do Td-Dmps soon to see what will happen. But since Dmps

does not cross the blood brain barrier, and let say that the td-dmps

protocol works to the T, then what about the mercury in your brain?

How do you get that out?

>

>

> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:04:07 -0600

> From: " jromkema "

> Subject: Re: *TD-DMPS

>

> Inga,

> Yes, there is quite a difference in their approaches and beliefs.

>

> Very few people on this list, I think, would agree that keeping the

amalgams

> in is a safe idea.

>

> The redistribution issue is a problem for many of us. Also, how the

TD-DMPS

> is (maybe?) pulling out of the brain without ALA.

>

> Unfortunately, this is an emerging science, which means there is a

lot of

> trial and error.

> Barb

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,

What you are doing sounds reasonable to me. It was mostly the part

about continuous chelation without any breaks that I thought would be

hard on a person. There is no way that I would have ever been able

to get my son to swallow any medication of any sort, ever. So I can

see the advantage of transdermal.

> Ok here's what we have planned to do, not doing it yet as the TD

DMPS has

> not arrived

>

> I saw a practitioner that Andy recommended to me, with the

intentions of

> following his protocol, then I find out about the TD, and my 2 year

old is

> having a heck of a time just allowing me to get basic minerals down

him, I

> fretted over giving him DMSA every 8 hours. I ran it by the

practitioner,

> she talked to Andy and we've agreed to give the TD a try, every 8

hours and

> then a week off. If a dose is missed by 2 hours then we start a

week off

> right then and there and start over. I will give his supplements

daily

> though, he barely gets enough in as it is.

>

> I'm beginning to feel like my child is going to be a bit of a

guinea pig

> here, I haven't read yet of anyone else trying it this way.

>

> Shall I go crawl back into my hole?

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If you heard the conference of Dr. Buttar you can have that answer.

The way mercury binds himself to the body tissue is very hard to come out

but he compares to a glass of water he said that the TD-DMPS only takes a little

bit at the time out, in another words, is like taking than water out of the

glass with a spoon just

from the top of the glass and then again the same way so he said soon you take

where ever is in the blood stream comes out for some reason the mercury find the

blood is clean and refilled it and then the process start again that why in the

hair test analysis and urine analysis you can only see what it is coming out not

the total mercury in the body. That’s something you will never know with

accuracy. Adding the test ranges up does not work neither.

lindajaytee <lindajaytee@...> wrote:

This is a very important question that I haven't heard any answers

to!!!!

> I plan to do Td-Dmps soon to see what will happen. But since Dmps

does not cross the blood brain barrier, and let say that the td-dmps

protocol works to the T, then what about the mercury in your brain?

How do you get that out?

>

>

> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:04:07 -0600

> From: " jromkema "

> Subject: Re: *TD-DMPS

>

> Inga,

> Yes, there is quite a difference in their approaches and beliefs.

>

> Very few people on this list, I think, would agree that keeping the

amalgams

> in is a safe idea.

>

> The redistribution issue is a problem for many of us. Also, how the

TD-DMPS

> is (maybe?) pulling out of the brain without ALA.

>

> Unfortunately, this is an emerging science, which means there is a

lot of

> trial and error.

> Barb

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on 12/1/04 8:56 AM, lindajaytee at lindajaytee@... wrote:

>

>

> I'm not going to rush out and spend all of that money on TD-DMPS. I

> do think that Andy's protocol is much, much safer.

SOunds like it - I just thought a lot of people here were gong the TD-DMPS

route...and the success rate theyare talkling aobut is retty amazing. I

guess I am just so sick of being sick, and I woudl liek to have a life

again.

>Maybe slower, and

> maybe slower is a very good thing. One of the things that Hal

> Huggins (his books are all available at amazon.com) warns about is if

> the mercury is moved too quickly the risk of cancer is very greatly

> increased. Even Buttar talks about the mercury cancer association.

> Slower is safer. There are lots of variables in Andy's protocol that

> can help the situation. We were talking about one such variable the

> other day. Do some people need to replace cortisol?

Does talk of cortisol a lot? I have been at the Naturla THyroid

Hormones site a lot lately....can't keep up with it all.

I keep trying to up my thyroid, but my temperatures just rmain low. I got

tachycardia again early this morning, but for me.... and yet, I am afraid of

trying to up the thyroid too much too fast, even if I NEED more.

I am seriously thinking about trying some cortisol, but then I am already

100 lbs over weight! Argh! Both my dowser and a bioenergetic doctor told me

my body is not really using the thyroid I am taking.

I guess I am just being impatient. My fiance is returning this month after

being away for over a year and a half, and I am only a shadow of the girl he

left behind...Hopefully his love wil help heal me some....my mother also

died last year and I have been all alone and very, very ill. Added adrenal

stress????? DO I NEED CORTISOL - should I jsut bite the bullet and get some

online?

> The part that

> really, really bothers me about Buttar's protocol is that people are

> not allowed to take breaks.

I did DMSA for 7 months strtaight at a lowered dosage...I was afraid the

seizure-like attacks would come back if I stopped....they seemed to start up

when I quit, so I jsut kept on going back on the DMSA. Finally, I got to a

point where they didn't, and so I quit the continual DMSA.

> That has to be very hard on the body.

> Not to mention how hard it is to cope with all of the redistribution

> symptoms.

> Maybe transdermal DMPS every 8 hours with breaks might be ok?

That's what I was thinking.

I have been sick for about 14 years now and the idea that TD-DMPS can work

faster is very appealing to me, but it sounds like it would cost a lot

because you have to work along with a doctor, it seems. With DMSA + ALA I

can do it on me own.

> I'd

> still like to see the kinetics data.

How is that obtainable?

~Inga

> I am starting to think that maybe there is something to the

> transdermal or lipoceutical glutathione.

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>

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I am thinking about it for myself...I have not been able to be blessed with

children, thinking I have mercury to thankfor that, LOL!

I am worried about getting outrageously severe attacks with redistribution.

Anything that mobilizes mercury even a little, seems to put me into these

death defying attacks that I don't know how I have survived....like the time

I put a little fresh cilantro in my salsa - that almost took me out.

Or when I had a little chlorella....

SO I am wondering if I can just to the TD-DMPS without the death-defyng

break every other day. That seems to be the question " du jour " .

Just looking for input, so I am blabbing right along here...

~Inga

>

> Please Do not especulate about TD-Dmps without trying it first!

> I am doing it and I see how my son went from " 0 " to 90% in just 3 months, it

> is true that kids act up doring the treatment but it is nothing that you have

> not seen before from a neurotypical brat kid, also the benefits over pases the

> sacrifice I think we all should be more positive and encurage one to other to

> try this stuff everykid deserves a try and as well desperate parents.

> There is many things that you can do to help the detoxification process during

> the use of TD-DMPS like magnetic pad, that will help mercury go aout of the

> body instead of redistribution also a kids jumper will help with the

> hyperactivity they usually get during the applications days of td-dmps also

> Lavander and chamomile essensial oils a drop of each one in his feet and

> massage you will be sorprice what this stuff does to come them down.

> And many more, just be positive and find out what works best for your kid!

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on 12/1/04 1:32 PM, robinsnd at Jill@... wrote:

>

>

> Hi,

> According to the Buttar info, the child is supposed to apply the TD by

> him/herself.

Why would that be? Could you not use a glove if you did not want any on

yourself?

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Hi,

Gloves, regardless of type, may have a reaction to the TD-Dmps.

Most are using a stainless steel spoon or a glass to rub it in if the child

is not capable of doing it him/herself.

-Sue

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on 12/1/04 1:32 PM, robinsnd at Jill@... wrote:

>

>

> Hi,

> According to the Buttar info, the child is supposed to apply the TD by

> him/herself.

Why would that be? Could you not use a glove if you did not want any on

yourself?

~Inga

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Inga,

If I were in your situation, I would start with just DMSA at a very low

dose, with all the supplements and water and milk thistle to help my liver.

I'd do a 3/11 schedule to give my body lots of recoup time. Of course, I'd

do it every 3 hours/day and every 4/night. That way I'd only get up once.

I think this would be the safest option right now, since we're not sure

about the redistribution stuff with TD-DMPS. You can control your dose on

the DMSA, and I'm guessing that you probably have a lot of body burden of

mercury to get rid of. Of course, you absolutely have to have all fillings

out before beginning or you could harm yourself.

This is JUST MY OPINION, FWIW. I am NOT a doctor, but am just basing this on

four years of hearing kid's and adult's stories and detoxing my son.

I really think you should talk to Andy further about your situation.

Barb

Re: [ ] *TD-DMPS

>

> I am thinking about it for myself...I have not been able to be blessed

> with

> children, thinking I have mercury to thankfor that, LOL!

>

> I am worried about getting outrageously severe attacks with

> redistribution.

> Anything that mobilizes mercury even a little, seems to put me into these

> death defying attacks that I don't know how I have survived....like the

> time

> I put a little fresh cilantro in my salsa - that almost took me out.

> Or when I had a little chlorella....

>

> SO I am wondering if I can just to the TD-DMPS without the death-defyng

> break every other day. That seems to be the question " du jour " .

>

> Just looking for input, so I am blabbing right along here...

> ~Inga

>

>

>

>

>>

>> Please Do not especulate about TD-Dmps without trying it first!

>> I am doing it and I see how my son went from " 0 " to 90% in just 3 months,

>> it

>> is true that kids act up doring the treatment but it is nothing that you

>> have

>> not seen before from a neurotypical brat kid, also the benefits over

>> pases the

>> sacrifice I think we all should be more positive and encurage one to

>> other to

>> try this stuff everykid deserves a try and as well desperate parents.

>> There is many things that you can do to help the detoxification process

>> during

>> the use of TD-DMPS like magnetic pad, that will help mercury go aout of

>> the

>> body instead of redistribution also a kids jumper will help with the

>> hyperactivity they usually get during the applications days of td-dmps

>> also

>> Lavander and chamomile essensial oils a drop of each one in his feet and

>> massage you will be sorprice what this stuff does to come them down.

>> And many more, just be positive and find out what works best for your

>> kid!

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

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