Re: I love Bastyr - to Pam B

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam -

I'll bet you're really busy, but what a wonderful time having

your mom there, celebrating Luke's birthday, and finding a good

doctor. What great memories you will have from all of this.

By the way, Pam L has the distinction of being Crazy Spice. I vary

from Old Spice to Toxic Spice, or whatever is happening that day.....

so much fun!

I'd sure love to read that report. Thanks!

You just described all the problems I am experiencing, and I've been

unable to drop the propranolol lower than 30 mg a day. Even just

slightly chipping away each 10 mg pill that I take every 8 hours, the

old ticker gets cranky.

Is this SE Crataegus a form of hawthorne berrie, root or leaves? Or

is it something completely different (reminds me of Monty Python...)?

I have elevated ANA, but am negative for Lupus, RA etc. And I have

the energy of a slug, among other things - Old Tired Spice.

Sure appreciate your taking the time to help me with this. I know

you are one busy puppy lately.

Best Wishes,

Chris

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> Hi (AKA Crazy Spice),

>

> Sorry it is taking me so long to respond... mom is still in town

and I've

> been going non-stop with her and Luke's birthday and doctor

appointments...

> Luke's birthday was great, he had such a nice day, every time

someone would

> say happy birthday to him and he would just smile!

>

> Ok, as far as the study about beta-blockers, propanolol in

particular I

> think it was, it's only one study... and I don't know if there are

certain

> factors that make it more risky to use... or what... I'll try to

get a copy

> of the report from her if I can... it just came out supposedly.

>

> All I know is I'm anxious to get off of them for a few reasons, but

the main

> reason is because I suspect propanolol is the reason I have a

possitive ANA

> and I don't want it to cause drug induced lupus. Other reasons

include the

> fact that my blood pressure is already always low, and with the

propranolol

> it's even lower, making me dizzy when I get up fast, etc. I also

suspect it

> is keeping me feeling tired. Finally, I really hate being on a drug

I know I

> m " addicted " to... it's not just like I'm depending on this drug

for my

> health, but I know that it " has me " ... It took me 3 tries to lower

my dose a

> few months ago... and that really bothered me that it had that much

control

> over me... and if I somehow were to stop taking it I could get a

heart

> attack from it... that really scares me.... I mean what if I hit my

head and

> lost my memory or something??? But, the key thing is that I want to

get off

> of it!

>

> So what they gave me is this stuff that is the consistency of

honey, in a

> little jar, it's called SE Crataegus and says to take 1/4 teaspoon

2 times a

> day... it's not very pleasant smelling or tasting.. I will have to

find a

> good way to take it still - maybe I will try it in a tea, though I

hate to

> ruin a good cup of tea.... I'm supposed to build it up in my system

for a

> week or two and then start slowly weaning the propanolol.

>

> Hope that anwered all your questions!

>

> Pam B. (AKA Addicted Spice)