Re: Worry-Pls Help

[Guest guest]

Oh Haley,

I feel so sorry for you with the therapist you are seeing. I have read so

many positive stories in this group about WLS patients having healthy babies

that I cannot imagine why she would tell you those things. Of course, there are

things that always happen, but it appears to me that WLS patients have babies

that are just as healthy as the general population.

So your therapist knows of someone who knew ONLY four WLS patients who had

babies, and one of the babies turned out to be sick?????? I do not think that

means that 25 percent of all WLS patients' babies will be sick. FOUR PATIENTS

is not enough to conduct a controlled study. I think there are 1000 women in

this group, and I trust the information I read HERE more than I trust what

your therapist is saying.

At any rate, I will try to answer some of your questions. I have been able

to eat around 2000 calories a day--maybe even more. Prior to pregnancy I was

eating 1200 calories a day. I tried sticking to 1500 calories per day in the

beginning, but I was getting weak and shakey from low blood sugar so I found

myself grazing--oh well!

I was a year and a half out from my WLS when I became pregnant. Therefore, I

did not lose any weight. I only gained weight. Throughout most of my

pregnancy I have tried to consume 100 grams of protein per day. Prior to

pregnancy

I consumed 120 - 150 grams of protein per day. I have found that during this

pregnancy I need more carbohydrates. Some days I have just gotten so sick of

eating all the same foods that I have not eaten enough protein.

Unfortunately, I am one that can tolerate the junk while sometimes the chicken

will not go

down. I have been able to eat enough healthy foods, but I feel that I have

grazed too much on junk--on the bad days.

A few days ago, I had a Detour bar for the first time. I don't remember who

recommended it, but I really must thank her. I highly recommend it during

pregnancy because it not only contains 30 grams of protein but it has 25

carbohydrates as well. Carbs are necessary for proper brain development of the

fetus.

Throughout most of my pregnancy, I have been eating the Balance bars which

are also really good but contain less protein than the Detour bars.

Good luck, Haley!!

Shoshannah

open r ny 3/6/01

edd FIVE DAYS AGO--OY VEY!

still waiting for baby girl

mom to A.J. 7 1/2

Rockville, land

[Guest guest]

Oh Haley,

I feel so sorry for you with the therapist you are seeing. I have read so

many positive stories in this group about WLS patients having healthy babies

that I cannot imagine why she would tell you those things. Of course, there are

things that always happen, but it appears to me that WLS patients have babies

that are just as healthy as the general population.

So your therapist knows of someone who knew ONLY four WLS patients who had

babies, and one of the babies turned out to be sick?????? I do not think that

means that 25 percent of all WLS patients' babies will be sick. FOUR PATIENTS

is not enough to conduct a controlled study. I think there are 1000 women in

this group, and I trust the information I read HERE more than I trust what

your therapist is saying.

At any rate, I will try to answer some of your questions. I have been able

to eat around 2000 calories a day--maybe even more. Prior to pregnancy I was

eating 1200 calories a day. I tried sticking to 1500 calories per day in the

beginning, but I was getting weak and shakey from low blood sugar so I found

myself grazing--oh well!

I was a year and a half out from my WLS when I became pregnant. Therefore, I

did not lose any weight. I only gained weight. Throughout most of my

pregnancy I have tried to consume 100 grams of protein per day. Prior to

pregnancy

I consumed 120 - 150 grams of protein per day. I have found that during this

pregnancy I need more carbohydrates. Some days I have just gotten so sick of

eating all the same foods that I have not eaten enough protein.

Unfortunately, I am one that can tolerate the junk while sometimes the chicken

will not go

down. I have been able to eat enough healthy foods, but I feel that I have

grazed too much on junk--on the bad days.

A few days ago, I had a Detour bar for the first time. I don't remember who

recommended it, but I really must thank her. I highly recommend it during

pregnancy because it not only contains 30 grams of protein but it has 25

carbohydrates as well. Carbs are necessary for proper brain development of the

fetus.

Throughout most of my pregnancy, I have been eating the Balance bars which

are also really good but contain less protein than the Detour bars.

Good luck, Haley!!

Shoshannah

open r ny 3/6/01

edd FIVE DAYS AGO--OY VEY!

still waiting for baby girl

mom to A.J. 7 1/2

Rockville, land

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/30/03 10:45:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

elfanie@... writes:

>

> and had a beautifully perfect pregnancy as well as a

> WONDERFUL homebirth in my bathtub....my husband

> caught the baby while two midwives as well as my

> physician watched on with smiles on their faces. (and

> my mother and two other children watched and cried)

>

,

I envy all of you women that have a high enough tolerance of pain to have

home births and medication-free births! I, however, am not one of them. That

is

why I get so defensive whenever the topic comes up. Please don't take it

personally. Just remember I am speaking from a sense of fear and disappointment

for not being able to do that.

Shoshannah K

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/30/03 10:45:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

elfanie@... writes:

>

> and had a beautifully perfect pregnancy as well as a

> WONDERFUL homebirth in my bathtub....my husband

> caught the baby while two midwives as well as my

> physician watched on with smiles on their faces. (and

> my mother and two other children watched and cried)

>

,

I envy all of you women that have a high enough tolerance of pain to have

home births and medication-free births! I, however, am not one of them. That

is

why I get so defensive whenever the topic comes up. Please don't take it

personally. Just remember I am speaking from a sense of fear and disappointment

for not being able to do that.

Shoshannah K

[Guest guest]

,

Don't be sorry at all for mentioning your homebirth! I just felt that I owed

you an explanation for my defensiveness in the past! I give you a lot of

credit for being able to do it the way you did.

Shoshannah K

[Guest guest]

,

Don't be sorry at all for mentioning your homebirth! I just felt that I owed

you an explanation for my defensiveness in the past! I give you a lot of

credit for being able to do it the way you did.

Shoshannah K

[Guest guest]

> I've been battling a great deal of

> nausea and have been only able to consume around 500-800 calories of

> food a day. I'm in the process of changing OBs because my surgeon, my

> nutritionist, and my therapist don't think my current OB understands

> the needs of a newly post-op WLS patient who is also pregnant.

Do they say what these " needs " are that they believe

that you have?

I agree that you need to consume more calories per

day...but I'm not sure why they feel that having a

different OB is going to encourage you to eat more?

> I've

> had one ultrasound and only 2 appointments with the OB. My surgeon

> finds this unacceptable, especially since he took the time to write a

> 6 page letter to my OB to help them better understand what my body is

> going through.

>

This surprises me a little...

what I mean is...you're only 14 weeks pregnant. What

do they expect a physician to have done for you as of

yet? You have already had an ultrasound in the first

trimester (not considered " standard of care " for most

places...although I do know some physicians that do an

early ultrasound routinely) as well as two

appointments...

I guess what I don't understand is....does your surgeon

think he knows more about what your body is going

through (pregnant) than an OB would?

> So, I'm a bit worried. In my therapist's seminar, of the 4 women

> studied post-op,

That's not even a 'study'. 4 people is still " anecdotal

evidence " and not a " study " .

This group is more of a 'study' than that.

> My therapist is

> concerned that I'm going to have a sick baby. She even said to me, " I

> wouldn't buy anything for the baby until the end, because you may not

> have a healthy baby. " She's also concerned that I've lost 23# since

> the end of May when I first saw the OB.

>

If she's interested in studies...why not show her real

STUDIES that have been done?

Every single study shows IMPROVED outcomes in

pregnancy after WLS. Lower instances of PIH, lower

instances of GD, lower risk of preeclampsia...

here are where you can find some of the actual

studies...

Wittgrove AC, Jester L, Whittgrove P, GW

obes surg 1998 aug;8(4):461-4; discussion 465-6

s DS, DK, Goodman GN

JReprod Med 1987 Mar;32(3): 172-6

Printen KJ, D

Am Surg 1982 Aug;48(8): 363-5

There was one study that showed an increase in the

risk of anemia during pregnancy...but honestly, does

that come as a surprise to anyone? That you could

become anemic with iron and B12?

Of course not.

> So, I would love to hear some words of encouragement from the ladies

> on this board who have had healthy babies. What was your caloric

> intake?

I probably took in about 1400 calories a day. I just ate

every 2 hours during waking houts.

>How much protein were you able to get in early (with

or

> without morning sickness)?

I never counted. I just ate healthy...ate as often as I

could...and that was it. I didn't stress over it (counting

grams or calories)....why stress? What is that going to

help? I was healthy, ate well...what was stressing going

to do? wasn't going to make me eat more...wasn't

going to make me eat better...

all it was going to do was ruin a beautiful (and perfect)

pregnancy.

> How much weight did you lose during your

> first trimester?

I lost 15 pounds my first trimester.

> Did the weight loss trickle off after the first

> trimester?

>

Yup....I remained the exact same weight (+/- 2 pounds)

the second and third trimester...

and had a beautifully perfect pregnancy as well as a

WONDERFUL homebirth in my bathtub....my husband

caught the baby while two midwives as well as my

physician watched on with smiles on their faces. (and

my mother and two other children watched and cried)

but it would seem to me that your OB would know

MUCH MUCH MUCH more about your

risks/requirements during pregnancy than any therapist

or surgeon would possibly know. Just like your OB

wouldn't give you advice on what to do about bariatric

surgery, I'm surprised that your bariatric surgeon is

giving you obstetrical advice.

Soderblom CCCE CD(DONA) ICD CLD

Student Midwife

CAPPA Board of Directors - Advisor

Birth Doula/Childbirth Educator/Pregnancy-Birth

Photography

Mesa, AZ

Owner: Birth Story Diaries - real births, real photos

http://www.birthdiaries.com

Owner: SouthwestDoulas.com - locate a birth

professional

or find out about a hospital in your area!

[Guest guest]

> ,

>

> I envy all of you women that have a high enough tolerance of pain to

> have home births and medication-free births! I, however, am not one

> of them. That is why I get so defensive whenever the topic comes up.

> Please don't take it personally. Just remember I am speaking from a

> sense of fear and disappointment for not being able to do that.

>

> Shoshannah K

>

Shoshannah:

I did not mention my homebirth as a way to say that it's

a better way to birth than any other way (my previous

delivery ended in a cesarean, and I will say that most of

the births that I attend are in hospitals....until recently,

anyways)

The reason I mentioned it was to emphasize that

pregnancy after WLS can be VERY healthy and isn't

considered a high-risk situation....

I'm sorry it makes you defensive...I wish everyone could

have whatever type of birth experience they dream

about...

Soderblom CCCE CD(DONA) ICD CLD

Student Midwife

CAPPA Board of Directors - Advisor

Birth Doula/Childbirth Educator/Pregnancy-Birth

Photography

Mesa, AZ

Owner: Birth Story Diaries - real births, real photos

http://www.birthdiaries.com

Owner: SouthwestDoulas.com - locate a birth

professional

or find out about a hospital in your area!

[Guest guest]

Haley, I'm sorry that your therapist has scared you so. I agree that

you need to take in more calories, but how is scaring the poo out of

you going to help that? It really upsets me that you therapist would

say such a thing to you. I believe that was totally uncalled for. As

if you don't have enough to worry about anyway. You have to remember

that WLS or not, there are lots of women out there who for whatever

reason end up with " sick " babies. I'm wondering if that one woman out

of the whole 4 she told you about ended up with a " sick " child

because of her WLS or if it was just luck of the draw? I would think

that you would get more reliable information from this group and all

the post op pregnancies here than you would from your dr's dealing

with 4 patients?

And as far as needing to switch OB's, well my OB didn't see me until

I was 12 weeks in either of my post op pregnancies. And from so many

that I've talked to, that's pretty standard. So the fact that you've

already had 2 appointments and an u/s at 14 weeks leads me to believe

that your OB is doing everything he/she needs to do to make sure you

have a healthy pregnancy.

I would do what you can to increase your calories (eat more often),

eat healthy, take your vitamins, and sit back, relax, and try to

enjoy this miracle you have. I know it's difficult to relax when

you're getting such information, but try. It really will be the best

thing for you and your baby.

I also want to mention (and this may not be the popular opinion

around here) that I have never been one to count anything since my

WLS. I don't (and won't) count calories, protien/carb grams, etc. I

eat healthy, protein first, at each meal, take my vitamins, drink

plenty of water, and that's that. I can't let myself get so involved

in counting everything. It would make me crazy for sure! I have my

blood work drawn periodically and have never had and deficiencies.

Now I do know that's not always the case.

A good person for you to talk to is . I'm sure there are

others I'm not remembering right now, but I beleive it was her who

got pregnant at 7 weeks post op. And other than morning/all day

sickness had a healthy pregnancy and baby.

Please just take care of yourself and your little one. I will pray

that you get the peace of mind you need to enjoy your pregnancy,

morning sickness and all. ) (((Hugs))))

Janice

Tessa Louise 8/6/02 (lost over 40 lbs throughout pregnancy, She was

born healthy at 7lbs 6oz, 19.5 " -Is still doing wonderfully!)

Kendra Leanne EDD 9/9/03 (30 weeks and have gained a total of 10 lbs)

WLS 3/8/01 (prepregnancy about 20-25 lbs from goal weight)

[Guest guest]

Haley, I'm sorry that your therapist has scared you so. I agree that

you need to take in more calories, but how is scaring the poo out of

you going to help that? It really upsets me that you therapist would

say such a thing to you. I believe that was totally uncalled for. As

if you don't have enough to worry about anyway. You have to remember

that WLS or not, there are lots of women out there who for whatever

reason end up with " sick " babies. I'm wondering if that one woman out

of the whole 4 she told you about ended up with a " sick " child

because of her WLS or if it was just luck of the draw? I would think

that you would get more reliable information from this group and all

the post op pregnancies here than you would from your dr's dealing

with 4 patients?

And as far as needing to switch OB's, well my OB didn't see me until

I was 12 weeks in either of my post op pregnancies. And from so many

that I've talked to, that's pretty standard. So the fact that you've

already had 2 appointments and an u/s at 14 weeks leads me to believe

that your OB is doing everything he/she needs to do to make sure you

have a healthy pregnancy.

I would do what you can to increase your calories (eat more often),

eat healthy, take your vitamins, and sit back, relax, and try to

enjoy this miracle you have. I know it's difficult to relax when

you're getting such information, but try. It really will be the best

thing for you and your baby.

I also want to mention (and this may not be the popular opinion

around here) that I have never been one to count anything since my

WLS. I don't (and won't) count calories, protien/carb grams, etc. I

eat healthy, protein first, at each meal, take my vitamins, drink

plenty of water, and that's that. I can't let myself get so involved

in counting everything. It would make me crazy for sure! I have my

blood work drawn periodically and have never had and deficiencies.

Now I do know that's not always the case.

A good person for you to talk to is . I'm sure there are

others I'm not remembering right now, but I beleive it was her who

got pregnant at 7 weeks post op. And other than morning/all day

sickness had a healthy pregnancy and baby.

Please just take care of yourself and your little one. I will pray

that you get the peace of mind you need to enjoy your pregnancy,

morning sickness and all. ) (((Hugs))))

Janice

Tessa Louise 8/6/02 (lost over 40 lbs throughout pregnancy, She was

born healthy at 7lbs 6oz, 19.5 " -Is still doing wonderfully!)

Kendra Leanne EDD 9/9/03 (30 weeks and have gained a total of 10 lbs)

WLS 3/8/01 (prepregnancy about 20-25 lbs from goal weight)

[Guest guest]

Haley, I'm sorry that your therapist has scared you so. I agree that

you need to take in more calories, but how is scaring the poo out of

you going to help that? It really upsets me that you therapist would

say such a thing to you. I believe that was totally uncalled for. As

if you don't have enough to worry about anyway. You have to remember

that WLS or not, there are lots of women out there who for whatever

reason end up with " sick " babies. I'm wondering if that one woman out

of the whole 4 she told you about ended up with a " sick " child

because of her WLS or if it was just luck of the draw? I would think

that you would get more reliable information from this group and all

the post op pregnancies here than you would from your dr's dealing

with 4 patients?

And as far as needing to switch OB's, well my OB didn't see me until

I was 12 weeks in either of my post op pregnancies. And from so many

that I've talked to, that's pretty standard. So the fact that you've

already had 2 appointments and an u/s at 14 weeks leads me to believe

that your OB is doing everything he/she needs to do to make sure you

have a healthy pregnancy.

I would do what you can to increase your calories (eat more often),

eat healthy, take your vitamins, and sit back, relax, and try to

enjoy this miracle you have. I know it's difficult to relax when

you're getting such information, but try. It really will be the best

thing for you and your baby.

I also want to mention (and this may not be the popular opinion

around here) that I have never been one to count anything since my

WLS. I don't (and won't) count calories, protien/carb grams, etc. I

eat healthy, protein first, at each meal, take my vitamins, drink

plenty of water, and that's that. I can't let myself get so involved

in counting everything. It would make me crazy for sure! I have my

blood work drawn periodically and have never had and deficiencies.

Now I do know that's not always the case.

A good person for you to talk to is . I'm sure there are

others I'm not remembering right now, but I beleive it was her who

got pregnant at 7 weeks post op. And other than morning/all day

sickness had a healthy pregnancy and baby.

Please just take care of yourself and your little one. I will pray

that you get the peace of mind you need to enjoy your pregnancy,

morning sickness and all. ) (((Hugs))))

Janice

Tessa Louise 8/6/02 (lost over 40 lbs throughout pregnancy, She was

born healthy at 7lbs 6oz, 19.5 " -Is still doing wonderfully!)

Kendra Leanne EDD 9/9/03 (30 weeks and have gained a total of 10 lbs)

WLS 3/8/01 (prepregnancy about 20-25 lbs from goal weight)

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I 105% agree w/ ! Who is your surgeon btw?

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[Guest guest]

I 105% agree w/ ! Who is your surgeon btw?

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[Guest guest]

My first I had every medical intervention known to man/woman... with my last one

it was completely natural and I loved it. When I posted my birth story to the

group last year one word that stuck out then and to this day is the word

empowering. The natural labor was the most absolute empowering high I think

one can get and it was awesome. Three hours after delivery I was ready to go

home.

One thing I personally would not do is a home delivery and for two reasons:

one, I don't want to be the one to clean up the mess afterwards and two, I want

to know that if an emergency presented itself during delivery that the equipment

and personnel were present to handle it.

No flames, just my own personal opinion.

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Re: Worry-Pls Help

And I dream of as little pain as possible....bring on the drugs!!! I have a

freind who has had 5 of her 8 children ( they take the bible verse seriously and

consider it their personal responsiblity :-)) at home. I tell her she is more

woman than I will ever be if that is the basis.

Seriuosly, I may feel differntly after this pregnancy. First one wasn't a

bad experience,But I don't want to go through it again. Pitosin dropped in too

quickly ( 1-delivery in 4 hours) 3 epidurals that didn't take, 2 saddle blocks (

that I did like as I wasn't able to feel the push and tear or the forcepts and

vacc as the baby went into distress and was gotten out quickly...DH says it

looked like she (OB) was jacking up a car with her foot on the table and working

the forcepts...gives me shivers typing it) . I want a little longer birth this

time....I'm not going in until the contractions are good and strong...water tore

with first amd I thought it broke so went in WAY too early.

NOw that I've scared the dickens out of the first timers...:-)

Kalyn

[Guest guest]

My first I had every medical intervention known to man/woman... with my last one

it was completely natural and I loved it. When I posted my birth story to the

group last year one word that stuck out then and to this day is the word

empowering. The natural labor was the most absolute empowering high I think

one can get and it was awesome. Three hours after delivery I was ready to go

home.

One thing I personally would not do is a home delivery and for two reasons:

one, I don't want to be the one to clean up the mess afterwards and two, I want

to know that if an emergency presented itself during delivery that the equipment

and personnel were present to handle it.

No flames, just my own personal opinion.

~ BabyCopia ~

Unique and Original Baby Products

~ Preggie Pops Now Available! ~

www.babycopia.com

Re: Worry-Pls Help

And I dream of as little pain as possible....bring on the drugs!!! I have a

freind who has had 5 of her 8 children ( they take the bible verse seriously and

consider it their personal responsiblity :-)) at home. I tell her she is more

woman than I will ever be if that is the basis.

Seriuosly, I may feel differntly after this pregnancy. First one wasn't a

bad experience,But I don't want to go through it again. Pitosin dropped in too

quickly ( 1-delivery in 4 hours) 3 epidurals that didn't take, 2 saddle blocks (

that I did like as I wasn't able to feel the push and tear or the forcepts and

vacc as the baby went into distress and was gotten out quickly...DH says it

looked like she (OB) was jacking up a car with her foot on the table and working

the forcepts...gives me shivers typing it) . I want a little longer birth this

time....I'm not going in until the contractions are good and strong...water tore

with first amd I thought it broke so went in WAY too early.

NOw that I've scared the dickens out of the first timers...:-)

Kalyn

[Guest guest]

My first I had every medical intervention known to man/woman... with my last one

it was completely natural and I loved it. When I posted my birth story to the

group last year one word that stuck out then and to this day is the word

empowering. The natural labor was the most absolute empowering high I think

one can get and it was awesome. Three hours after delivery I was ready to go

home.

One thing I personally would not do is a home delivery and for two reasons:

one, I don't want to be the one to clean up the mess afterwards and two, I want

to know that if an emergency presented itself during delivery that the equipment

and personnel were present to handle it.

No flames, just my own personal opinion.

~ BabyCopia ~

Unique and Original Baby Products

~ Preggie Pops Now Available! ~

www.babycopia.com

Re: Worry-Pls Help

And I dream of as little pain as possible....bring on the drugs!!! I have a

freind who has had 5 of her 8 children ( they take the bible verse seriously and

consider it their personal responsiblity :-)) at home. I tell her she is more

woman than I will ever be if that is the basis.

Seriuosly, I may feel differntly after this pregnancy. First one wasn't a

bad experience,But I don't want to go through it again. Pitosin dropped in too

quickly ( 1-delivery in 4 hours) 3 epidurals that didn't take, 2 saddle blocks (

that I did like as I wasn't able to feel the push and tear or the forcepts and

vacc as the baby went into distress and was gotten out quickly...DH says it

looked like she (OB) was jacking up a car with her foot on the table and working

the forcepts...gives me shivers typing it) . I want a little longer birth this

time....I'm not going in until the contractions are good and strong...water tore

with first amd I thought it broke so went in WAY too early.

NOw that I've scared the dickens out of the first timers...:-)

Kalyn

[Guest guest]

:

My other Dr.'s think that the baby is at risk for malnutrition and slow

growth. They believe that me and the baby need to be monitored closer. I

didn't go into the 'whole' story in the last email. But my current OB has a

4 person practice and I'm required to see all 4 Dr.s before I can pick one

to see. I saw one of the male Dr.s for the first time last week and was not

impressed. He came into my room in a tissy because I had lost 23# since I

first saw them. He said that I was one step away from being put in the

hospital. It turns out that he hadn't even taken the time to read my chart

to learn about my RNY. This, on top of many other things made me doubt the

level of care I was receiving. Based on this, and some other big faux pas

that afternoon, I decided that I didn't trust the practice. My conversations

with my nutritionist and my surgeon just reinforced my opinions of the

practice.

My surgeon doesn't expect another OB to encourage me to eat more, but he

does expect them to work on a realistic approach to dealing with my nausea

and vomiting. The OB I saw on Wednesday literally said,'You're just going

to have to deal with this little lady'. When I saw my surgeon (one day

later) I was showing signs of dehydration and I hadn't been able to keep

down any food for 5+ days. This is yet another reason why my surgeon feels

that I need an OB to work 'with' me and my situation.

> I've

> had one ultrasound and only 2 appointments with the OB. My surgeon

> finds this unacceptable, especially since he took the time to write a

> 6 page letter to my OB to help them better understand what my body is

> going through.

>

Where I live, an ultrasound at 8 weeks is pretty standard. The OBs use it

to determine what they feel is an accurate due date.

Thanks for the infor .

Haley

Dr. Hart

Post Op/March 21, 2003

-77 pounds and counting

[Guest guest]

:

My other Dr.'s think that the baby is at risk for malnutrition and slow

growth. They believe that me and the baby need to be monitored closer. I

didn't go into the 'whole' story in the last email. But my current OB has a

4 person practice and I'm required to see all 4 Dr.s before I can pick one

to see. I saw one of the male Dr.s for the first time last week and was not

impressed. He came into my room in a tissy because I had lost 23# since I

first saw them. He said that I was one step away from being put in the

hospital. It turns out that he hadn't even taken the time to read my chart

to learn about my RNY. This, on top of many other things made me doubt the

level of care I was receiving. Based on this, and some other big faux pas

that afternoon, I decided that I didn't trust the practice. My conversations

with my nutritionist and my surgeon just reinforced my opinions of the

practice.

My surgeon doesn't expect another OB to encourage me to eat more, but he

does expect them to work on a realistic approach to dealing with my nausea

and vomiting. The OB I saw on Wednesday literally said,'You're just going

to have to deal with this little lady'. When I saw my surgeon (one day

later) I was showing signs of dehydration and I hadn't been able to keep

down any food for 5+ days. This is yet another reason why my surgeon feels

that I need an OB to work 'with' me and my situation.

> I've

> had one ultrasound and only 2 appointments with the OB. My surgeon

> finds this unacceptable, especially since he took the time to write a

> 6 page letter to my OB to help them better understand what my body is

> going through.

>

Where I live, an ultrasound at 8 weeks is pretty standard. The OBs use it

to determine what they feel is an accurate due date.

Thanks for the infor .

Haley

Dr. Hart

Post Op/March 21, 2003

-77 pounds and counting

[Guest guest]

:

My other Dr.'s think that the baby is at risk for malnutrition and slow

growth. They believe that me and the baby need to be monitored closer. I

didn't go into the 'whole' story in the last email. But my current OB has a

4 person practice and I'm required to see all 4 Dr.s before I can pick one

to see. I saw one of the male Dr.s for the first time last week and was not

impressed. He came into my room in a tissy because I had lost 23# since I

first saw them. He said that I was one step away from being put in the

hospital. It turns out that he hadn't even taken the time to read my chart

to learn about my RNY. This, on top of many other things made me doubt the

level of care I was receiving. Based on this, and some other big faux pas

that afternoon, I decided that I didn't trust the practice. My conversations

with my nutritionist and my surgeon just reinforced my opinions of the

practice.

My surgeon doesn't expect another OB to encourage me to eat more, but he

does expect them to work on a realistic approach to dealing with my nausea

and vomiting. The OB I saw on Wednesday literally said,'You're just going

to have to deal with this little lady'. When I saw my surgeon (one day

later) I was showing signs of dehydration and I hadn't been able to keep

down any food for 5+ days. This is yet another reason why my surgeon feels

that I need an OB to work 'with' me and my situation.

> I've

> had one ultrasound and only 2 appointments with the OB. My surgeon

> finds this unacceptable, especially since he took the time to write a

> 6 page letter to my OB to help them better understand what my body is

> going through.

>

Where I live, an ultrasound at 8 weeks is pretty standard. The OBs use it

to determine what they feel is an accurate due date.

Thanks for the infor .

Haley

Dr. Hart

Post Op/March 21, 2003

-77 pounds and counting

[Guest guest]

My surgeon was Dr. Christoper Hart in Duluth, Georgia.

Haley

Post Op RNY/March 21, 2003

EDD December 27, 2003

[Guest guest]

My surgeon was Dr. Christoper Hart in Duluth, Georgia.

Haley

Post Op RNY/March 21, 2003

EDD December 27, 2003

[Guest guest]

My surgeon was Dr. Christoper Hart in Duluth, Georgia.

Haley

Post Op RNY/March 21, 2003

EDD December 27, 2003

[Guest guest]

> One thing I personally would not do is a home delivery and for two

> reasons: one, I don't want to be the one to clean up the mess

> afterwards and two, I want to know that if an emergency presented

> itself during delivery that the equipment and personnel were present

> to handle it.

>

> No flames, just my own personal opinion.

>

No flames at ALL from me! =) Everyone needs to be

where they are comfortable to birth their babies!

I do want to clear up some misconceptions, though...

usually, there is no mess at all for you to clean up. My

midwives cleaned EVERYTHING...scrubbed my

bathtub out for me, did laundry for me, started my

dishes for me...

my house was cleaner after my delivery than it was

before I went into labor.

Also...if an emergency presents itself, the midwives

have the equipment necessary to handle

emergencies...(O2, pitocin, sutures, etc)

except cesareans, in which you'd just transport to the

hospital (like I did with my daughter) and have a

cesarean. Unless you live far away from a hospital, the

time between " you need a cesarean " and the actual

surgery usually isn't much different between a

homebirth and a hospital birth.

But everyone needs to go where they are

comfortable...whether that's at a hospital, a birthing

center, at home...or back behind the local Mcs.

Wherever you're comfortable, that's where you should

have your baby!

Soderblom CCCE CD(DONA) ICD CLD

Student Midwife

CAPPA Board of Directors - Advisor

Birth Doula/Childbirth Educator/Pregnancy-Birth

Photography

Mesa, AZ

Owner: Birth Story Diaries - real births, real photos

http://www.birthdiaries.com

Owner: SouthwestDoulas.com - locate a birth

professional

or find out about a hospital in your area!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/30/03 8:59:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

ladybughaley@... writes:

> My therapist is concerned that I'm goingto have a sick baby. She even said

> to me, " I wouldn't buy anything for the baby until the end, because you may

> not have a healthy baby. "

Where in the heck did you find this nut! I'm sorry, but as a mental health

professional things like this really grind my gears. Haley as you've probably

read there are many post-ops who conceived much earlier than you who have had

happy healthy babies. 4 women HARDLY constitute a valid study (and even still 3

out of 4 ain't bad odds) and the fact that your therapist would be so

insensitive incenses me. What credentials does she tout to refer to herself as a

" Bariatric Specialist " . Is this quack licensed? Remember some practicing

therapists

graduate with honors and others barely squeaked by with the minimum GPA.

Don't be afraid to be proactive with your mental OR physical health (same rules

apply for any college graduate, right?) I am always careful about who I call an

expert and am not afraid to do my OWN research before buying into something

that sounds half baked!

Please, please, please don't feel afraid to bond with your baby. That bond

alone can help you in making the kinds of decisions that will improve your

chances for an uneventful pregnancy, labor and delivery.

We are here for support when you need it....BTW I'd look for a new therapist!

Mom to Dejah (4) and Soon...

TWINS! EDD 01/09/04

RNY 11/01/01 -160