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In a message dated 10/5/2005 10:25:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

lisak555@... writes:

Anyway, I learned from the audi that the teacher does not see the need for

an FM but understands she must use it if it's in the IEP. She feels that he

hears fine in the classroom.

I still hear this all the time. I've always heard this about our son from

everyone, family, teachers, anyone and everyone. It is the result of the coping

skills that our D/HOH kids develop to get along. Ian is now in high school

and his English teacher voiced this at open house, wondering why a kid like

Ian (bright and capable) needed any services at all. I took the time to explain

why and told her that without the FM (and TOD) he would not be keeping up

and doing so well. I gave her a brief history on the kinds of language

acquisition issues Ian has dealt with since 6th grade. She was surprised but

acknowledged that it all made sense. Being HOH is an odd thing for people to

understand.

But there is another component here, in my opinion it is the teacher

resistance to D/HOH related services. I found that overall elementary teachers

wanted to behavior-modify or remediate away my son's hearing loss. Which is, of

course, impossible. Their proof of this potential to get along without services

was his ability to speak clearly and to lip read. Neither is proof of

anything except his ability to develop coping skills.

<<The teacher seems to be a very controling and rigid person and she likes

things just so. I think she's disturbed when she doesn't feel in control. I

believe she expressed to the audi that she wants a chance to see what she can

do with on her own. >>

This could be describing our experience with elementary teachers. There was

almost a territorial response to having a TOD involved with our son. The

classroom teacher and the SpecEd teacher felt they could do what Ian needed. Our

argument was they couldn't and we were not going to experiment with our son's

education but letting an untrained teacher " give it a try. " As for the FM,

we had to fight everyone to get it into place. All those people with

absolutely no experience with D/HOH kids had strong opinions on what he

needed.

Once Ian was in the middle school, the teachers had a completely different

attitude. The teachers for the upper grades seem to be a different breed. They

were welcoming, cooperative and supportive.

<<I just feel like I need someone with the hard of hearing experience in

there to consult with the teacher. >>

Stick to your guns about what needs. And definitely get someone in

there to consult with the teacher. Maybe it will help, maybe it won't. She may

simply be one of those teachers who should never have an inclusion class of any

sort because she simply cannot deal with it. We had one of those for Ian

when he was in 4th grade. In retrospect I wish I had forced a classroom change.

If you feel in your gut that this teacher is not going to cooperative and

will fight or undermine 's services, then I'd suggest having his class

changed to someone without control issues. Like I said, in retrospect, it is

what

I should have done for Ian in 4th grade rather than spending most of the

year trying to work with that teacher.

Better to do it now at the beginning of the year than to suddenly find

yourself in April and realizing it's been a wasted year (like we did).

Best -- Jill

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In a message dated 10/5/2005 10:25:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

lisak555@... writes:

Anyway, I learned from the audi that the teacher does not see the need for

an FM but understands she must use it if it's in the IEP. She feels that he

hears fine in the classroom.

I still hear this all the time. I've always heard this about our son from

everyone, family, teachers, anyone and everyone. It is the result of the coping

skills that our D/HOH kids develop to get along. Ian is now in high school

and his English teacher voiced this at open house, wondering why a kid like

Ian (bright and capable) needed any services at all. I took the time to explain

why and told her that without the FM (and TOD) he would not be keeping up

and doing so well. I gave her a brief history on the kinds of language

acquisition issues Ian has dealt with since 6th grade. She was surprised but

acknowledged that it all made sense. Being HOH is an odd thing for people to

understand.

But there is another component here, in my opinion it is the teacher

resistance to D/HOH related services. I found that overall elementary teachers

wanted to behavior-modify or remediate away my son's hearing loss. Which is, of

course, impossible. Their proof of this potential to get along without services

was his ability to speak clearly and to lip read. Neither is proof of

anything except his ability to develop coping skills.

<<The teacher seems to be a very controling and rigid person and she likes

things just so. I think she's disturbed when she doesn't feel in control. I

believe she expressed to the audi that she wants a chance to see what she can

do with on her own. >>

This could be describing our experience with elementary teachers. There was

almost a territorial response to having a TOD involved with our son. The

classroom teacher and the SpecEd teacher felt they could do what Ian needed. Our

argument was they couldn't and we were not going to experiment with our son's

education but letting an untrained teacher " give it a try. " As for the FM,

we had to fight everyone to get it into place. All those people with

absolutely no experience with D/HOH kids had strong opinions on what he

needed.

Once Ian was in the middle school, the teachers had a completely different

attitude. The teachers for the upper grades seem to be a different breed. They

were welcoming, cooperative and supportive.

<<I just feel like I need someone with the hard of hearing experience in

there to consult with the teacher. >>

Stick to your guns about what needs. And definitely get someone in

there to consult with the teacher. Maybe it will help, maybe it won't. She may

simply be one of those teachers who should never have an inclusion class of any

sort because she simply cannot deal with it. We had one of those for Ian

when he was in 4th grade. In retrospect I wish I had forced a classroom change.

If you feel in your gut that this teacher is not going to cooperative and

will fight or undermine 's services, then I'd suggest having his class

changed to someone without control issues. Like I said, in retrospect, it is

what

I should have done for Ian in 4th grade rather than spending most of the

year trying to work with that teacher.

Better to do it now at the beginning of the year than to suddenly find

yourself in April and realizing it's been a wasted year (like we did).

Best -- Jill

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In a message dated 10/5/2005 10:25:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

lisak555@... writes:

Unfortunately the teacher/parent conferences scheduled for next week are

only 15 minutes long. I can't imagine what we'll get out of that.

,

You don't have to try to fit into that time. Call and arrange for a longer,

private meeting. If the teacher refuses, which I doubt she will, you would

call the principal and request the meeting and ask that the principal be

present.

Given your misgivings about everything that is going on, honestly I would

ask to meet with the principal alone to discuss the issues you are already

having with the teacher and to discuss potential resolutions. The teacher's

attitude of using the FM solely because it is part of the IEP speaks volumes

about

how she is approaching your son's accommodations.

Good luck -- Jill

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In a message dated 10/5/2005 10:25:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

lisak555@... writes:

Unfortunately the teacher/parent conferences scheduled for next week are

only 15 minutes long. I can't imagine what we'll get out of that.

,

You don't have to try to fit into that time. Call and arrange for a longer,

private meeting. If the teacher refuses, which I doubt she will, you would

call the principal and request the meeting and ask that the principal be

present.

Given your misgivings about everything that is going on, honestly I would

ask to meet with the principal alone to discuss the issues you are already

having with the teacher and to discuss potential resolutions. The teacher's

attitude of using the FM solely because it is part of the IEP speaks volumes

about

how she is approaching your son's accommodations.

Good luck -- Jill

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In a message dated 10/5/2005 10:25:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

lisak555@... writes:

Unfortunately the teacher/parent conferences scheduled for next week are

only 15 minutes long. I can't imagine what we'll get out of that.

,

You don't have to try to fit into that time. Call and arrange for a longer,

private meeting. If the teacher refuses, which I doubt she will, you would

call the principal and request the meeting and ask that the principal be

present.

Given your misgivings about everything that is going on, honestly I would

ask to meet with the principal alone to discuss the issues you are already

having with the teacher and to discuss potential resolutions. The teacher's

attitude of using the FM solely because it is part of the IEP speaks volumes

about

how she is approaching your son's accommodations.

Good luck -- Jill

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Kearns wrote:

<<I believe she expressed to the audi that she wants a chance to see what she

can do with on her own. Again, we haven't met with her and discussed

anything so I'm just mulling these new developments over in my head. We'll have

to sit down and talk to her eventually. >>

Hi, .

I have no experience with any of this (my HOH son is only 3 1/5), but just off

the top of my head I would think that needs time to adjust to the new

situation. New teacher, new (noisy) classroom, etc. Are the HI and therapists

that he's seeing new as well? Perhaps what she's seeing is his way of expressing

some level of discomfort at having all these people into his classroom to work

on things with him? I don't even know if that would be an issue for your son,

perhaps it's a total non-issue for him, but it's worth a thought.

As I said, I've no experience in this arena, but I'm not sure I'd feel

comfortable trusting the teacher, who is uncomfortable with the situation

herself, to try this on her own. I've little faith in anyone who has no

experience with deaf/HOH kids. People mean well, but I just see that people I

deal with do not get " it " .

Just my two cents, which you didn't even ask for, but I felt like sharing!

Let us know what happens. I'm interested in learning about everyone else's

experiences before I'm there in 2 years.

Johanna

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Yahoo! for Good

Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

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Kearns wrote:

<<I believe she expressed to the audi that she wants a chance to see what she

can do with on her own. Again, we haven't met with her and discussed

anything so I'm just mulling these new developments over in my head. We'll have

to sit down and talk to her eventually. >>

Hi, .

I have no experience with any of this (my HOH son is only 3 1/5), but just off

the top of my head I would think that needs time to adjust to the new

situation. New teacher, new (noisy) classroom, etc. Are the HI and therapists

that he's seeing new as well? Perhaps what she's seeing is his way of expressing

some level of discomfort at having all these people into his classroom to work

on things with him? I don't even know if that would be an issue for your son,

perhaps it's a total non-issue for him, but it's worth a thought.

As I said, I've no experience in this arena, but I'm not sure I'd feel

comfortable trusting the teacher, who is uncomfortable with the situation

herself, to try this on her own. I've little faith in anyone who has no

experience with deaf/HOH kids. People mean well, but I just see that people I

deal with do not get " it " .

Just my two cents, which you didn't even ask for, but I felt like sharing!

Let us know what happens. I'm interested in learning about everyone else's

experiences before I'm there in 2 years.

Johanna

---------------------------------

Yahoo! for Good

Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

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Kearns wrote:

<<I believe she expressed to the audi that she wants a chance to see what she

can do with on her own. Again, we haven't met with her and discussed

anything so I'm just mulling these new developments over in my head. We'll have

to sit down and talk to her eventually. >>

Hi, .

I have no experience with any of this (my HOH son is only 3 1/5), but just off

the top of my head I would think that needs time to adjust to the new

situation. New teacher, new (noisy) classroom, etc. Are the HI and therapists

that he's seeing new as well? Perhaps what she's seeing is his way of expressing

some level of discomfort at having all these people into his classroom to work

on things with him? I don't even know if that would be an issue for your son,

perhaps it's a total non-issue for him, but it's worth a thought.

As I said, I've no experience in this arena, but I'm not sure I'd feel

comfortable trusting the teacher, who is uncomfortable with the situation

herself, to try this on her own. I've little faith in anyone who has no

experience with deaf/HOH kids. People mean well, but I just see that people I

deal with do not get " it " .

Just my two cents, which you didn't even ask for, but I felt like sharing!

Let us know what happens. I'm interested in learning about everyone else's

experiences before I'm there in 2 years.

Johanna

---------------------------------

Yahoo! for Good

Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

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I think there was another email in this thread but when I clicked on it, AOL

froze and crashed and when I came back online it was gone ... anyone willing

to send me a copy?

Thanks -- Jill

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I think there was another email in this thread but when I clicked on it, AOL

froze and crashed and when I came back online it was gone ... anyone willing

to send me a copy?

Thanks -- Jill

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