Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 In a message dated 10/5/2005 10:25:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lisak555@... writes: Anyway, I learned from the audi that the teacher does not see the need for an FM but understands she must use it if it's in the IEP. She feels that he hears fine in the classroom. I still hear this all the time. I've always heard this about our son from everyone, family, teachers, anyone and everyone. It is the result of the coping skills that our D/HOH kids develop to get along. Ian is now in high school and his English teacher voiced this at open house, wondering why a kid like Ian (bright and capable) needed any services at all. I took the time to explain why and told her that without the FM (and TOD) he would not be keeping up and doing so well. I gave her a brief history on the kinds of language acquisition issues Ian has dealt with since 6th grade. She was surprised but acknowledged that it all made sense. Being HOH is an odd thing for people to understand. But there is another component here, in my opinion it is the teacher resistance to D/HOH related services. I found that overall elementary teachers wanted to behavior-modify or remediate away my son's hearing loss. Which is, of course, impossible. Their proof of this potential to get along without services was his ability to speak clearly and to lip read. Neither is proof of anything except his ability to develop coping skills. <<The teacher seems to be a very controling and rigid person and she likes things just so. I think she's disturbed when she doesn't feel in control. I believe she expressed to the audi that she wants a chance to see what she can do with on her own. >> This could be describing our experience with elementary teachers. There was almost a territorial response to having a TOD involved with our son. The classroom teacher and the SpecEd teacher felt they could do what Ian needed. Our argument was they couldn't and we were not going to experiment with our son's education but letting an untrained teacher " give it a try. " As for the FM, we had to fight everyone to get it into place. All those people with absolutely no experience with D/HOH kids had strong opinions on what he needed. Once Ian was in the middle school, the teachers had a completely different attitude. The teachers for the upper grades seem to be a different breed. They were welcoming, cooperative and supportive. <<I just feel like I need someone with the hard of hearing experience in there to consult with the teacher. >> Stick to your guns about what needs. And definitely get someone in there to consult with the teacher. Maybe it will help, maybe it won't. She may simply be one of those teachers who should never have an inclusion class of any sort because she simply cannot deal with it. We had one of those for Ian when he was in 4th grade. In retrospect I wish I had forced a classroom change. If you feel in your gut that this teacher is not going to cooperative and will fight or undermine 's services, then I'd suggest having his class changed to someone without control issues. Like I said, in retrospect, it is what I should have done for Ian in 4th grade rather than spending most of the year trying to work with that teacher. Better to do it now at the beginning of the year than to suddenly find yourself in April and realizing it's been a wasted year (like we did). Best -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 In a message dated 10/5/2005 10:25:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lisak555@... writes: Anyway, I learned from the audi that the teacher does not see the need for an FM but understands she must use it if it's in the IEP. She feels that he hears fine in the classroom. I still hear this all the time. I've always heard this about our son from everyone, family, teachers, anyone and everyone. It is the result of the coping skills that our D/HOH kids develop to get along. Ian is now in high school and his English teacher voiced this at open house, wondering why a kid like Ian (bright and capable) needed any services at all. I took the time to explain why and told her that without the FM (and TOD) he would not be keeping up and doing so well. I gave her a brief history on the kinds of language acquisition issues Ian has dealt with since 6th grade. She was surprised but acknowledged that it all made sense. Being HOH is an odd thing for people to understand. But there is another component here, in my opinion it is the teacher resistance to D/HOH related services. I found that overall elementary teachers wanted to behavior-modify or remediate away my son's hearing loss. Which is, of course, impossible. Their proof of this potential to get along without services was his ability to speak clearly and to lip read. Neither is proof of anything except his ability to develop coping skills. <<The teacher seems to be a very controling and rigid person and she likes things just so. I think she's disturbed when she doesn't feel in control. I believe she expressed to the audi that she wants a chance to see what she can do with on her own. >> This could be describing our experience with elementary teachers. There was almost a territorial response to having a TOD involved with our son. The classroom teacher and the SpecEd teacher felt they could do what Ian needed. Our argument was they couldn't and we were not going to experiment with our son's education but letting an untrained teacher " give it a try. " As for the FM, we had to fight everyone to get it into place. All those people with absolutely no experience with D/HOH kids had strong opinions on what he needed. Once Ian was in the middle school, the teachers had a completely different attitude. The teachers for the upper grades seem to be a different breed. They were welcoming, cooperative and supportive. <<I just feel like I need someone with the hard of hearing experience in there to consult with the teacher. >> Stick to your guns about what needs. And definitely get someone in there to consult with the teacher. Maybe it will help, maybe it won't. She may simply be one of those teachers who should never have an inclusion class of any sort because she simply cannot deal with it. We had one of those for Ian when he was in 4th grade. In retrospect I wish I had forced a classroom change. If you feel in your gut that this teacher is not going to cooperative and will fight or undermine 's services, then I'd suggest having his class changed to someone without control issues. Like I said, in retrospect, it is what I should have done for Ian in 4th grade rather than spending most of the year trying to work with that teacher. Better to do it now at the beginning of the year than to suddenly find yourself in April and realizing it's been a wasted year (like we did). Best -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 In a message dated 10/5/2005 10:25:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lisak555@... writes: Unfortunately the teacher/parent conferences scheduled for next week are only 15 minutes long. I can't imagine what we'll get out of that. , You don't have to try to fit into that time. Call and arrange for a longer, private meeting. If the teacher refuses, which I doubt she will, you would call the principal and request the meeting and ask that the principal be present. Given your misgivings about everything that is going on, honestly I would ask to meet with the principal alone to discuss the issues you are already having with the teacher and to discuss potential resolutions. The teacher's attitude of using the FM solely because it is part of the IEP speaks volumes about how she is approaching your son's accommodations. Good luck -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 In a message dated 10/5/2005 10:25:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lisak555@... writes: Unfortunately the teacher/parent conferences scheduled for next week are only 15 minutes long. I can't imagine what we'll get out of that. , You don't have to try to fit into that time. Call and arrange for a longer, private meeting. If the teacher refuses, which I doubt she will, you would call the principal and request the meeting and ask that the principal be present. Given your misgivings about everything that is going on, honestly I would ask to meet with the principal alone to discuss the issues you are already having with the teacher and to discuss potential resolutions. The teacher's attitude of using the FM solely because it is part of the IEP speaks volumes about how she is approaching your son's accommodations. Good luck -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 In a message dated 10/5/2005 10:25:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lisak555@... writes: Unfortunately the teacher/parent conferences scheduled for next week are only 15 minutes long. I can't imagine what we'll get out of that. , You don't have to try to fit into that time. Call and arrange for a longer, private meeting. If the teacher refuses, which I doubt she will, you would call the principal and request the meeting and ask that the principal be present. Given your misgivings about everything that is going on, honestly I would ask to meet with the principal alone to discuss the issues you are already having with the teacher and to discuss potential resolutions. The teacher's attitude of using the FM solely because it is part of the IEP speaks volumes about how she is approaching your son's accommodations. Good luck -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Kearns wrote: <<I believe she expressed to the audi that she wants a chance to see what she can do with on her own. Again, we haven't met with her and discussed anything so I'm just mulling these new developments over in my head. We'll have to sit down and talk to her eventually. >> Hi, . I have no experience with any of this (my HOH son is only 3 1/5), but just off the top of my head I would think that needs time to adjust to the new situation. New teacher, new (noisy) classroom, etc. Are the HI and therapists that he's seeing new as well? Perhaps what she's seeing is his way of expressing some level of discomfort at having all these people into his classroom to work on things with him? I don't even know if that would be an issue for your son, perhaps it's a total non-issue for him, but it's worth a thought. As I said, I've no experience in this arena, but I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable trusting the teacher, who is uncomfortable with the situation herself, to try this on her own. I've little faith in anyone who has no experience with deaf/HOH kids. People mean well, but I just see that people I deal with do not get " it " . Just my two cents, which you didn't even ask for, but I felt like sharing! Let us know what happens. I'm interested in learning about everyone else's experiences before I'm there in 2 years. Johanna --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Kearns wrote: <<I believe she expressed to the audi that she wants a chance to see what she can do with on her own. Again, we haven't met with her and discussed anything so I'm just mulling these new developments over in my head. We'll have to sit down and talk to her eventually. >> Hi, . I have no experience with any of this (my HOH son is only 3 1/5), but just off the top of my head I would think that needs time to adjust to the new situation. New teacher, new (noisy) classroom, etc. Are the HI and therapists that he's seeing new as well? Perhaps what she's seeing is his way of expressing some level of discomfort at having all these people into his classroom to work on things with him? I don't even know if that would be an issue for your son, perhaps it's a total non-issue for him, but it's worth a thought. As I said, I've no experience in this arena, but I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable trusting the teacher, who is uncomfortable with the situation herself, to try this on her own. I've little faith in anyone who has no experience with deaf/HOH kids. People mean well, but I just see that people I deal with do not get " it " . Just my two cents, which you didn't even ask for, but I felt like sharing! Let us know what happens. I'm interested in learning about everyone else's experiences before I'm there in 2 years. Johanna --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Kearns wrote: <<I believe she expressed to the audi that she wants a chance to see what she can do with on her own. Again, we haven't met with her and discussed anything so I'm just mulling these new developments over in my head. We'll have to sit down and talk to her eventually. >> Hi, . I have no experience with any of this (my HOH son is only 3 1/5), but just off the top of my head I would think that needs time to adjust to the new situation. New teacher, new (noisy) classroom, etc. Are the HI and therapists that he's seeing new as well? Perhaps what she's seeing is his way of expressing some level of discomfort at having all these people into his classroom to work on things with him? I don't even know if that would be an issue for your son, perhaps it's a total non-issue for him, but it's worth a thought. As I said, I've no experience in this arena, but I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable trusting the teacher, who is uncomfortable with the situation herself, to try this on her own. I've little faith in anyone who has no experience with deaf/HOH kids. People mean well, but I just see that people I deal with do not get " it " . Just my two cents, which you didn't even ask for, but I felt like sharing! Let us know what happens. I'm interested in learning about everyone else's experiences before I'm there in 2 years. Johanna --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 I think there was another email in this thread but when I clicked on it, AOL froze and crashed and when I came back online it was gone ... anyone willing to send me a copy? Thanks -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 I think there was another email in this thread but when I clicked on it, AOL froze and crashed and when I came back online it was gone ... anyone willing to send me a copy? Thanks -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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