Re: adrenal issues - Steve

[Guest guest]

Steve,

I haven't worked up the courage to try the adrenal cortex with my son yet, but

I'm curious about what indications your son displayed regarding adrenal stress.

My son's int ital hair test had a potassium level of 710 ( ref range was 12-40),

Since then we have chelated with ALA only and his potassium levels came down to

350, which is still way beyond the ref, range. Did you see anything similar to

these results?

Thanks for sharing your experience......Bill

steve_rotherham <steve.rotherham@...> wrote:

> Hi Steve,

>

> How did you use this? Are you still using adrenal support for your

son or has chelation made this unnecessary? How long has your son

been chelating? Has he had adrenal problems prior to chelation? Did

they get worse with chelation initially?

>

> I hope you don't mind all those questions and thank you for any

answers.

>

> Dagmar.

I gave adrenal cortex with meals twice a day iniitally, only once

day now unless he is having a bad day. I give pantethine a coupe of

times day, sometimes more before, during and after chelation. I give

ashwaganda/withania and licorice twice a day as part of a herbal

preapration I have mixed by a herbalist I trust using herbs approved

as being uncontaminated (very important). We use sea salt liberally

with my son's meals and give extra with water during and immediately

after chealtion and on hot or esp. humid days.

Chelation has not made adrenal support unnecessary. I just completed

round 24 of chelation (this one was ALA only, but we have also done

DMSA only, plus DMSA/ALA plus DMSA/EDTA) and I was a bit slack on

extra adrenal supplementation and got a classic adrenal meltdown at

roughly 5pm on the 3rd day.

Luckliy I had received good advice on this in the past (thanks Andy),

supplemented with my own research, and knew what to do. Within 20

minuts of getting the relevant supps (all adrenal supps I have

mentioned, plus any calming supps I could think of) my son calmed

down and went on to have an excellent evening.

I think we will get over the adrenal problems eventually, but it will

take more chelation and a serious assault on vial problems. I hope to

have something positive to report by Feb/March next year

The adrenal problems did get worse with chealtion initially until I

posted on the list and got some good advice, which was: use the supps

I have mentioned, and reduce the time between doses. We now give ALA

every 2 to 2.5 hours during the day and every 2 hours 45 minutes

overnight. It makes a difference. If you find a compressed schedule

tough, then chelate half as often. You'll still get better results.

Good luck

Steve

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[Guest guest]

> I haven't worked up the courage to try the adrenal cortex with my

son yet, but I'm curious about what indications your son displayed

regarding adrenal stress.

-- adrenal cortex is a safe supp. Don't be scared of it. Adrenal

problems show up in my son as aggression or striking out, losing

temper over trivial things, loss of frustration tolerance, tearyness

or inability to cope with small things, and inability to modulate

emotions/excitement even more than usual. He is at his worst late in

the day. At one stage we got meltdowns about 5pm every day.

ALA worsens adreanl problems. Owens says B5, biotin and ALA

compete for the same pathways, so it seems to inhibit B5 absorption.

During chealtion and afterwards we give extra pantethine and this

helps a lot.

> My son's int ital hair test had a potassium level of 710 ( ref

range was 12-40), Since then we have chelated with ALA only and his

potassium levels came down to 350, which is still way beyond the ref,

range. Did you see anything similar to these results?

>

-- high potassium wasn't a problems for us, but mineral levels did

become closer to the norm

Steve

[Guest guest]

Steve:

Probably you answered this before, but what brand of adrenal cortex do you use?

Thanks,

[ ] Re: adrenal issues - Steve

> I haven't worked up the courage to try the adrenal cortex with my

son yet, but I'm curious about what indications your son displayed

regarding adrenal stress.

-- adrenal cortex is a safe supp. Don't be scared of it. Adrenal

problems show up in my son as aggression or striking out, losing

temper over trivial things, loss of frustration tolerance, tearyness

or inability to cope with small things, and inability to modulate

emotions/excitement even more than usual. He is at his worst late in

the day. At one stage we got meltdowns about 5pm every day.

ALA worsens adreanl problems. Owens says B5, biotin and ALA

compete for the same pathways, so it seems to inhibit B5 absorption.

During chealtion and afterwards we give extra pantethine and this

helps a lot.

> My son's int ital hair test had a potassium level of 710 ( ref

range was 12-40), Since then we have chelated with ALA only and his

potassium levels came down to 350, which is still way beyond the ref,

range. Did you see anything similar to these results?

>

-- high potassium wasn't a problems for us, but mineral levels did

become closer to the norm

Steve

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[Guest guest]

Steve,

When you mentioned increasing the frequency of chelation doses to

alleviate adrenal problems, did you reduce quantities in each dose to

give same overall amount over the round, or did you have same dose

strength and end up giving more chelators over the period ?

I have just started my son on Thorne " Cortrex " . Am looking for the

effects (good or bad) which may result. My feeling is these will

probably be gradual increase in stress tolerance and fewer meltdowns

but that it may take a month or two to make the judgement. Is this a

realistic timescale in your experience ? Did you see immediate

and/or dramatic changes,or gradual changes over time ?

Thanks for sharing your experiences on this.

Helen

>

> > I haven't worked up the courage to try the adrenal cortex with my

> son yet, but I'm curious about what indications your son displayed

> regarding adrenal stress.

> -- adrenal cortex is a safe supp. Don't be scared of it. Adrenal

> problems show up in my son as aggression or striking out, losing

> temper over trivial things, loss of frustration tolerance,

tearyness

> or inability to cope with small things, and inability to modulate

> emotions/excitement even more than usual. He is at his worst late

in

> the day. At one stage we got meltdowns about 5pm every day.

> ALA worsens adreanl problems. Owens says B5, biotin and ALA

> compete for the same pathways, so it seems to inhibit B5

absorption.

> During chealtion and afterwards we give extra pantethine and this

> helps a lot.

>

>

> > My son's int ital hair test had a potassium level of 710 ( ref

> range was 12-40), Since then we have chelated with ALA only and his

> potassium levels came down to 350, which is still way beyond the

ref,

> range. Did you see anything similar to these results?

> >

>

> -- high potassium wasn't a problems for us, but mineral levels did

> become closer to the norm

>

> Steve