Re: Einstein and Newton 'had autism' - well, Asperger's Syndrome

[Guest guest]

---- " Why does s-b-c oversimplify?. " ...........because its an easy out.....

and wouldnt we want our kids to be einsteins, etc, instead of often toremented,

sick and perhaps homeless? (either way...i dont think so!)... i heard that

einstein story when my son first got his diagnosis...i also heard, living in MA,

That MIT was full of " them " ...

there is no glory in auitsm....no rose colored lens we have the luxury of

looking through....and absolutely no lumping together of these beautiful

children into a single, false entity

i would love to show s-b-c et al a rolling video of the day in the

life of one of my affected 3 sons.......or all the lab reports....and those to

come..

i think this type of gross misrepresentation of the issues is

being rejected more and more, teresea. because people like you and ed

arranga,Autism One, and jo pike, NAA...and so many others.....are finding the

multiple of truths on the even more multiple comorbidites of autism.....thanks

for all you do!

in a very limited way, i am trying to do SOMETHING.......anything....am

going to washington as state rep for Unlocking Autism....i hace a contact to see

ny rep...want to discuss amalgams, early and yearly screening. education of our

SPED teachers (thats me)...my rep is on gov reform comm, education and

workplace comm, Congressional Autism Caucus....rep. Tierney......anything you

want me to bring to the table, let me know.......thanks, suzanne

Binstock <binstock@...> wrote:

Einstein and Newton 'had autism'

[photo, caption] Einstein was a notoriously confusing lecturer

Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton may have suffered from a type of

autism, according to experts.

Researchers at Cambridge and Oxford universities believe both scientists

displayed signs of Asperger's Syndrome.

Many people with Asperger's are often regarded as being eccentric. They

sometimes lack social skills, are obsessed with complex topics and can

have problems communicating.

This latest research suggests that Einstein, who is credited with

developing the theory of relativity, and Newton, who discovered the laws

of gravity, had these traits to varying degrees.

According to the researchers, Einstein showed signs of Asperger's from a

young age.

As a child, he was a loner and often repeated sentences obsessively

until he was seven years old. He was also a notoriously confusing lecturer.

Later in life, the German-born scientist made intimate friends, had

numerous affairs and spoke out on political issues.

'Passionate'

However, the researchers insist that he continued to show signs of

having Asperger's.

" Passion, falling in love and standing up for justice are all perfectly

compatible with Asperger's Syndrome, " Professor Simon Baron-Cohen of

Cambridge, one of those involved in the study, told New Scientist magazine.

" What most people with Asperger's Syndrome find difficult is casual

chatting - they can't do small talk. "

The researchers believe that Newton displayed classic signs of the

condition.

He hardly spoke, was so-engrossed in his work that he often forgot to

eat and was lukewarm or bad-tempered with the few friends he had.

If no one turned up to his lectures he gave them anyway talking to an

empty room. At the age of 50, he had a nervous breakdown brought on by

depression and paranoia.

However, others believe these traits can be attributed to both men's

high intelligence.

'Socially inept'

" One can imagine geniuses who are socially inept and yet not remotely

autistic, " said Dr Glen Elliott, a psychiatrist at the University of

California at San Francisco.

" Impatience with the intellectual slowness of others, narcissism and

passion for one's mission in life might combine to make such individuals

isolative and difficult. "

He told the magazine that Einstein was regarded as having a good sense

of humour - a trait not seen in people with severe Asperger's.

Professor Baron-Cohen said the findings suggested that people with the

syndrome can excel if they find their niche in life.

" This condition can make people depressed or suicidal, so if we can find

out how to make things easier for them, that's worthwhile. "

[Why does S B-C oversimplify ridiculously?]

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Published: 2003/04/30 23:13:58 GMT

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Dear ,

I have previously been in touch with s-b-c by e-mail. Perhaps I

should invite him to spend a week or even a day with my son, as he

is based in Cambridge, England, and this is where we live. Autism

services here are almost non-existent.

Margaret (UK)

> Einstein and Newton 'had autism'

>

> [photo, caption] Einstein was a notoriously confusing lecturer

>

> Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton may have suffered from a type of

> autism, according to experts.

>

> Researchers at Cambridge and Oxford universities believe both

scientists

> displayed signs of Asperger's Syndrome.

>

> Many people with Asperger's are often regarded as being eccentric.

They

> sometimes lack social skills, are obsessed with complex topics and

can

> have problems communicating.

>

> This latest research suggests that Einstein, who is credited with

> developing the theory of relativity, and Newton, who discovered

the laws

> of gravity, had these traits to varying degrees.

>

> According to the researchers, Einstein showed signs of Asperger's

from a

> young age.

>

> As a child, he was a loner and often repeated sentences

obsessively

> until he was seven years old. He was also a notoriously confusing

lecturer.

>

> Later in life, the German-born scientist made intimate friends,

had

> numerous affairs and spoke out on political issues.

>

> 'Passionate'

>

> However, the researchers insist that he continued to show signs of

> having Asperger's.

>

> " Passion, falling in love and standing up for justice are all

perfectly

> compatible with Asperger's Syndrome, " Professor Simon Baron-Cohen

of

> Cambridge, one of those involved in the study, told New Scientist

magazine.

>

> " What most people with Asperger's Syndrome find difficult is

casual

> chatting - they can't do small talk. "

>

> The researchers believe that Newton displayed classic signs of the

> condition.

>

> He hardly spoke, was so-engrossed in his work that he often forgot

to

> eat and was lukewarm or bad-tempered with the few friends he had.

>

> If no one turned up to his lectures he gave them anyway talking to

an

> empty room. At the age of 50, he had a nervous breakdown brought

on by

> depression and paranoia.

>

> However, others believe these traits can be attributed to both

men's

> high intelligence.

>

> 'Socially inept'

>

> " One can imagine geniuses who are socially inept and yet not

remotely

> autistic, " said Dr Glen Elliott, a psychiatrist at the University

of

> California at San Francisco.

>

> " Impatience with the intellectual slowness of others, narcissism

and

> passion for one's mission in life might combine to make such

individuals

> isolative and difficult. "

>

> He told the magazine that Einstein was regarded as having a good

sense

> of humour - a trait not seen in people with severe Asperger's.

>

> Professor Baron-Cohen said the findings suggested that people with

the

> syndrome can excel if they find their niche in life.

>

> " This condition can make people depressed or suicidal, so if we

can find

> out how to make things easier for them, that's worthwhile. "

>

> [Why does S B-C oversimplify ridiculously?]

>

> Story from BBC NEWS:

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/health/2988647.stm

>

> Published: 2003/04/30 23:13:58 GMT

>

> © BBC MMIV

>

> *

> The material in this post is distributed without profit to those

> who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included

> information for research and educational purposes.

> For more information go to:

> http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.html

> <http://oregon.uoregon.edu/%7Ecsundt/documents.htm>

> http://oregon.uoregon.edu/~csundt/documents.htm

> <http://oregon.uoregon.edu/%7Ecsundt/documents.htm>

> If you wish to use copyrighted material from this email for

> purposes that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission

> from the copyright owner.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Margaret,

While coauthors and I were working on the short version of the

mercury/autism hypothesis, I occasionally spent time gathering med

articles in UMDNJ med library, a very nice library with helpful staff.

Occasionally, Albert Enayati would bring his autistic son Payam (then

aged 10, large, very mobile and hyperactive) to the med library to

retrieve me. Needless to say, Payam's presence and energy are not quite

what a med library is used to. Perhaps you and several other parents,

kids in tow, could visit s-b-c's " halls of ivy " .

I'm still amazed that he offered his ultra-male theory for Silicon

Valley in Calif, which is a major superfund site (ie, horrendously

polluted) in the U.S. The press probably likes s-b-c because he's witty

and because his silly notions direct attention from realities of autism

and the etiological and treatment significances of environmental factors.

mcollins2001uk wrote:

>Dear ,

>I have previously been in touch with s-b-c by e-mail. Perhaps I

>should invite him to spend a week or even a day with my son, as he

>is based in Cambridge, England, and this is where we live. Autism

>services here are almost non-existent.

>Margaret (UK)

>

>

>

>

>> Einstein and Newton 'had autism'

>>

>>[photo, caption] Einstein was a notoriously confusing lecturer

>>

>>Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton may have suffered from a type of

>>autism, according to experts.

>>

>>

>>

>>[ B had wondered, Why does S B-C oversimplify ridiculously?]

>>

>>Story from BBC NEWS:

>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/health/2988647.stm

>>

>>Published: 2003/04/30 23:13:58 GMT

>>

>>© BBC MMIV

>>

>>*

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

A great idea!

Margaret (UK)

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> >

> >> Einstein and Newton 'had autism'

> >>

> >>[photo, caption] Einstein was a notoriously confusing lecturer

> >>

> >>Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton may have suffered from a type

of

> >>autism, according to experts.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>[ B had wondered, Why does S B-C oversimplify

ridiculously?]

> >>

> >>Story from BBC NEWS:

> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/health/2988647.stm

> >>

> >>Published: 2003/04/30 23:13:58 GMT

> >>

> >>© BBC MMIV

> >>

> >>*

> >>

> >>

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