Dagmar

November 30, 1998

Dagmar,

If you will email me your address, I will happy to send you a jar of 2mg.

copper tablets as a Christmas gift.

Esther

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December 1, 1998

Yes, Dagmar,

Don't be shy. If there are supplements you need sent, don't hesitate to

ask us on-line.

Joyce in Vermont

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On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 DearEsther@... wrote:

> Dagmar,

>

> If you will email me your address, I will happy to send you a jar of 2mg.

> copper tablets as a Christmas gift.

>

> Esther

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September 30, 2002

-Hi, on 40 mg of c, I started to feel that it was pooping out when it

came to racing thoughts and obsessive thoughts. I do not have

compulsions as I know of. I told the pdoc this for 4 weeks, and he

suggested I try lexapro at 20 mg, and if that doesn't work, I may be

coming resistant to c or l. Then maybe switch to zoloft or something.

I think that 60 of c is like 20 of lex. Its not an exact

science. But 10 of lexapro would have been like the same 40 mg of c.

dose I was already on.

I am on day 12, and getting periods of calmness, but also had a

near panic attack tonight while in the mall. [guess I won't be going

there anymore!] I don't know why. I've gone there for 25 years!

I guess there's no rhyme or reason to panic and anxiety. It just

has a mind of its own.

-- In Lexapro@y..., " dagmarharris " <dagmarharris@y...> wrote:

> Hi I am also curious what Celexa did for you before you switched.

> Were you still getting the Racing thoughts on the Celexa?

> I am on 35 mg. of Celexa, and my OCD seems under control. I only

had

> a mild case..more panic disorder, anxiety as a diagnosis. And don't

> like traveling outside my City.

> How much is 20 mg. of Lexapro compared to Celexa? I thought 10 mg.

of

> Lexapro was like 40mg Celexa. So does that mean 20 mg is like 80

mg.

> Celexa? What side effects did you feel upping to that much Lexapro.

I

> have been reading this new site...and seem to see most people on 5

> mg. You are one of the first on a higher dose. So tell us....were

the

> sides hard????

> curious, and hopeful....

> dagmar

>

> > Hi, I have ocd. Thoughts race through my head faster and faster,

> and

> > I want to scream cause I can't make them stop. I was on 40 of

c.

> My

> > pdoc moved me to 20 of lexapro. It took a week till the ocd was

> > manegeable, and 10 days till it is really put in its place. I

have

> > energy today, and have for a week . I think I needed the higher

> dose

> > to control the ocd, but not to get sides, and lexapro lets me go

to

> a

> > higher dose with out the sides.

October 1, 2002

-Hi, this anxiety or pre p/a stuff, well it seems to happen most when

I am not busy, working, hunting, etc. Its almost like when I am the

closest to complete brain relaxation, it leaves opportunity for the

bad stuff to get in. And its strange. It just comes into my being,

with no reason whatsoever.

Last night, at the mall, I just started to feel like I was being

smothered.

Maybe I will go back there, like for 10 minutes, like you said.

-- In Lexapro@y..., " dagmarharris " <dagmarharris@y...> wrote:

> HI , I am sure your body is still adjusting to the Lexapro.

And

> it sounds like you are on a higher dose than some here. But that

also

> sounds good, for OCD.

> About the Panic at the shopping mall...hang in there. Maybe go

again

> to the same mall, in a week, and just stay for 10 minutes... to

show

> yourself you can go back and be okay.

> I know how you feel, as I had a panic attack at a relaxing nite

spot

> here in my city on my Birthday. I am uncomfortable to go back...but

I

> will, to get over the memory!! This is the therapy I learned to

deal

> with a panic attack. Even " tell the panic " to try and come

> back!!! ...to give it as little power as possible.

> ~dagmar

>

> > I am on day 12, and getting periods of calmness, but also had

a

> > near panic attack tonight while in the mall. [guess I won't be

> going

> > there anymore!] I don't know why. I've gone there for 25 years!

> > I guess there's no rhyme or reason to panic and anxiety. It

> just

> > has a mind of its own.

October 1, 2002

my post didn't go...I will wait and see...

darn,

dagmar

> >

> > > I am on day 12, and getting periods of calmness, but also

had

> a

> > > near panic attack tonight while in the mall. [guess I won't be

> > going

> > > there anymore!] I don't know why. I've gone there for 25

years!

> > > I guess there's no rhyme or reason to panic and anxiety. It

> > just

> > > has a mind of its own.

October 1, 2002

--LOL, no , I meant " hunting " for something. Like shopping for

something.

I guess I need to go back and do what you said. I go by there on

my way home from work, so I WILL get over there and do it.

I'm glad you know what I'm talking about. I have the same thing

happen in a movie theater, and the last time, I got all thru the

movie, and it occurred in the car on the way home!

Hope this lexapro makes it more manageable!!

- In Lexapro@y..., " dagmarharris " <dagmarharris@y...> wrote:

> ,

> I remember I had a panic attack once while taking a walk with my

best

> friend...I ended up jogging home to get back to where I

felt " safe " .

> A doctor, in another group I was in, suggest I go back to the spot

I

> had the panic feeling. I did, the next day, and jumped around

> literally and said,

> " Okay show me the panic now!! " I felt empowered, and happy it

didn't

> have any power over me anymore.

> You mentioned it comes when you are not busy, working, " hunting "

etc.

> I know what you mean. That is why I think it happened in the nite

> spot on my birthday. I had been stimulated all day and was tired

and

> relaxing when it came on....

> By the way, you mentioned " hunting " ...you don't mean this

> figuratively...do you? I can't picture you hunting!!!

> ~dagmar

>

> > -Hi, this anxiety or pre p/a stuff, well it seems to happen most

> when

> > I am not busy, working, hunting, etc. Its almost like when I am

> the

> > closest to complete brain relaxation, it leaves opportunity for

the

> > bad stuff to get in. And its strange. It just comes into my

> being,

> > with no reason whatsoever.

> > Last night, at the mall, I just started to feel like I was

being

> > smothered.

> > Maybe I will go back there, like for 10 minutes, like you

said.

> >

October 2, 2002

-Hi, I've only had one full blown panic attack. But in the car after

the movies, I felt spacey, like you said, like , claustraphobic,

muffled, short of air, fuzzy stomach.. I rolled down the windows,

and it passed, slowly.

I hope this stuff helps. I was okay on c, just not leaving the

house much, hahahaha. I felt like I needed something stronger.

I hope I find a good movie soon. But, I never know which movie is

going to be the one. Sometimes I go, and its okay. Other times, its

not.

-- In Lexapro@y..., " dagmarharris " <dagmarharris@y...> wrote:

> you must be " my long lost twin " . Movies has been my place,

too,

> for panic attacks. I finally started going to movies alot, to

> overcome this. I notice that when I get up from the Movie, I always

> feel alittle spacey. Not full panicky, but kind of. I have learned

to

> really focus on the theater and come back into the " now " . I think

it

> is that we go into another world in the movies...and it takes us

with

> panic/anxiety alittle longer to regroup....

> Keep going to the movies...and it does get better. There are a lot

of

> good ones out right now. I just saw the " Banger Sisters " with

> Serandon and Goldie Hawn...so funny.

> Keep us posted how the Lexapro helps you. I read it does lessen

panic

> attacks...according to clinical studies done on people taking it.

> dagmar

> p.s. if you don't mind, could you describe how you felt in the car

> when you had the panic, after the movie, and what you did to help

it

> pass? It helps me to hear how others deal with their anxiety...

> thanks,

> d.

>

> > --LOL, no , I meant " hunting " for something. Like shopping for

> > something.

> > I guess I need to go back and do what you said. I go by there

> on

> > my way home from work, so I WILL get over there and do it.

> > I'm glad you know what I'm talking about. I have the same

thing

> > happen in a movie theater, and the last time, I got all thru the

> > movie, and it occurred in the car on the way home!

> > Hope this lexapro makes it more manageable!!

October 2, 2002

I used to have panic attacks in the malls. I'd be shopping, go into a

smaller store, like a shoe store, and get a panic attack. It was truly

awful. I would have all of the physical symptoms and the emotional

ones. I remember I felt like running out of the store screaming. So what

did I do? Just sat there in paralyzed fear until I felt good enough to get

up out of my chair.

The thing that helps me is changing my consciousness by taking care of

myself. I do this either by exercising or meditating. If I exercise for

at least 20 minutes, I'll have positive physical and psychological

changes. At the time I was having those is also the time I started taking

Buspar, and that helped quite a bit. I haven't had a panic attack for a

long time now. (I really do know how awful they can feel.)

Changing subjects, I think I'm doing well on the Lexapro. I still can't

cut those darn pills in half, so I keep getting varying doses. I think

I'll just need to call my doctor to get a refill sooner. Emotionally I'm

doing okay -- with the exception of Sunday night, but again, I think the

uneasiness that I was feeling was about moving, not related to taking the

Lexapro. I'm getting so used to taking it already -- I'm in my 3rd week

now -- that I'm thinking of taking myself off of the Celexa list soon.

Take care,

Christie

Christie@...

---Original Message---

At 06:56 PM 10/2/02 +0000, you wrote:

>-Hi, I've only had one full blown panic attack. But in the car after

>the movies, I felt spacey, like you said, like , claustraphobic,

>muffled, short of air, fuzzy stomach.. I rolled down the windows,

>and it passed, slowly.

> I hope this stuff helps. I was okay on c, just not leaving the

>house much, hahahaha. I felt like I needed something stronger.

> I hope I find a good movie soon. But, I never know which movie is

>going to be the one. Sometimes I go, and its okay. Other times, its

>not.

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October 11, 2002

, I have been taking it for almost a month, and I too have trouble in

the afternoon with almost falling asleep. I didn't associate it with

Lexapro until you mentioned it. And I do usually have something with

caffeine in it at lunch. Hmmm...

Christie

---Original Message---

At 03:21 AM 10/11/2002 +0000, wrote:

>Hi, I just wanted to see how you are doing. Did you make up your

>mind about lexapro yet? I am on day 22, and glad I made the switch.

>The only things that linger are that I grind my teeth in my sleep

>which drives my husband crazy, and my eyesight has been bothering me

>lately, so I have to wear my glasses more. That seems to come and

>go. And, I find that the lex does wierd things with caffeine. If I

>have a little caffeine , I am super women for a few hours, then it

>wears of suddenly, and I need a nap. I guess it just makes the

>effects of caffeine stronger, and more abrupt. Go figure!

> Otherwise , I am doing well, and feel stronger than I did on

>celexa.

> I don't know much about you, so feel free to fill me in on

>important details of your life, LOL.

>

>e <>! Terms of Service.

November 9, 2002

-Hi Dagmar. Well, celexa is great as well. I miss those afternoon

naps, LOL, I don't have them on lex. Instead I am full of energy.

There doesn';t seem to be that calm easy feeling as on celexa. Oh,

well. I guess it depends on what you want. The lex has bumped up my

metabolism, so I can lose weight easily. But, with the increased

metab comes the increase in appetite. I guess you can't have it both

ways.

-- In Lexapro@y..., " dagmarharris " <dagmarharris@y...> wrote:

> Hi , I do remember you, too. I am glad you are able to be on

> such a low dose of Celexa. I am on 35 mg. Celexa.

> I am staying put right now. I am definitely reading all about

> Lexapro. I am wondering if at some point if Lexapro will be

the " new

> Celexa " , and Celexa will be done away with.... you never know.

> I do get tired, too, at times. I am one who likes to take naps,

> though. I was reading about someone who switched from Celexa to

> Lexapro and felt quite tired, to get out of bed. But I think he

maybe

> was just getting use to it, and didn't give it enough time. I am

sure

> switching you start again with side effects, till your body gets

use

> to it....

> just my guess,

> dagmar

>

> > I remember you from the celexa board...

> > I have been on celexa for a little over two years...at 15 and

then

> 10....I

> > am watching this board to see if there is benefit in me

> switching...I dont

> > know if the benefit will outweigh the getting used to Lex side

> effects....

> >

> > I think if I was on a higher dose of C I might be more inclined

to

> switch..

> > but 10 of c has helped me a great deal with GAD and panic....it

> took at

> > least two months of severe sides to get used to it....but now I

> know it was

> > worth it....

> >

> > let me know how much of c you are on....and why you may try

lex....

> >

> > the big question for me is...does L really give you more

> energy...with no

> > others sides once you get used to it....that is my only complain

> with C is

> > the tiredness....

> >

> > amanda

February 12, 2004

Yes, but I thought that was only an issue w/ALA... Hillary

snip.....--

Have you got any amalgam fillings?

Dagmar.

[ ] Dana, , Andy--

My 13 year old son (130 pounds) has high lead and copper, but according to the

counting rules, mercury is not really an issue. He is bright, and frequently

defiant. He is oppositional at times and doesn't focus well on anything.

I would like him to use DMSA and zinc for a few months of rounds and then hair

test again. I have not sent in my own hair test yet, but I thought that I

should try what I would like him to do, so yesterday I gave myself (age 47, 180

lbs) a single 50 mg dose of DMSA plus 1/4 tsp of MSM. Within a few hours I was

very emotional and by evening I was quite oppositional. I found myself staring

balefully at nothing, unable to do much except feel angry for no real reason,

much like what he does. It reminded me of how I felt when I was a teenager.

Does anyone have any comments as to what is going on here? thanks, Hillary

February 12, 2004

No it is an issue with any chelator.

Dagmar.

[ ] Dana, , Andy--

My 13 year old son (130 pounds) has high lead and copper, but according to

the counting rules, mercury is not really an issue. He is bright, and

frequently defiant. He is oppositional at times and doesn't focus well on

anything.

I would like him to use DMSA and zinc for a few months of rounds and then

hair test again. I have not sent in my own hair test yet, but I thought that I

should try what I would like him to do, so yesterday I gave myself (age 47, 180

lbs) a single 50 mg dose of DMSA plus 1/4 tsp of MSM. Within a few hours I was

very emotional and by evening I was quite oppositional. I found myself staring

balefully at nothing, unable to do much except feel angry for no real reason,

much like what he does. It reminded me of how I felt when I was a teenager.

Does anyone have any comments as to what is going on here? thanks, Hillary

February 12, 2004

I just realized why you might have thought that DMSA is different. You can take

it very soon after amalgam removal and don't have to wait for 3 months like you

need to with ALA. You still have to have the amalgams removed first though.