Re: Hypothyroidism to Hyperthyroidism - Vic

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Vic -

Could very well be that you were hypo before becoming hyper.

Just to muddy the issue though, my spouse was on Lipitor for a couple months

before he developed muscle pain and weakness like you describe. Had lab

tests done, and his CK levels were raised (one of the tests they check to

see if you;re having an adverse reaction to it), so he was to stop the

Lipitor. His arm muscles felt better a few weeks after stopping, but he had

what he called a " tightness " in the muscles for probably several months

after. However, he had all this with no thyroid connection. I've got TSH

levels for him both before Lipitor and after and he's perfectly in normal

range. So I guess the point is the muscle weakness and pain from Lipitor are

rare but not unheard of side effects of the Lipitor itself - independent of

thyroid disease.

This is not to say that you weren't hypo, but that the muscle probs could

have been a result of the Lipitor.

Just out of curiousity, did your doc give you anything different to try for

your cholesterol? I'm just wondering because hubby's been a a couple more

drugs sine the Lipitor and so far nothing has been really very effective.

Just wanted to know if anyone else was having better luck with something.

Diagnosed 7/01 very early with Graves', alternative treatment. So far

euthyroid since 10/01. Also have

high TPO ABs, new theory is Hashitoxicosis. T4's currently normal, but on a

TSH rollercoaster.

Early eye symptoms.

Hypothyroidism to Hyperthyroidism - Elaine

> I would like to know more about why you think that I may have had

> subclinical hypothyroidism which became hyperthyroidism. What is the

> reason that hypo goes to hyper?

>

> I ran across an interesting piece of information that would be of

> interest to thyroid patients that are also taking cholesterol-

> lowering drugs.

>

> " Certain drugs, such as lipid-lowering drugs, may exacerbate myopathy

> in patients with hypothyroidism. Lipid-lowering drugs include beta-

> hydroxy-beta-methylglutaryl-CoA (HMG-CoA) reductase inhibitors such

> as the following:

> Atorvastatin (Lipitor)

> Fluvastatin (Lescol)

> Simvastatin (Zocor)

> Pravastatin (Pravachol)

> Lovastatin (Mevacor) "

>

> An interesting anectode about this is that I gave up Lipitor because

> I thought it was causing harm to my muscles (and to my shoulders).

> This was way before I was diagnosed as having hyperthyroidism. I

> guess my subconscious was telling me something and I listened, for a

> change. By the way, my shoulder pain and restricted range of motion

> went away after two months without Lipitor. My muscles (particularly

> my thigh and underarm muscles) remain damaged to this day.

>

> The evidence is mounting up that I was hypothyroid before I became

> hyperthyroid. I would also like to know what tests could have been

> run when the normal tests for hypo did not show it? That's why they

> call it " subclinical " , right? How do they determine you are hypo?

> It's too late for me, but I would like to know in case I meet

> someone, later, with similar circumstances and would like to help

> them avoid the problems I have had.

>

> Vic

> Diagnosed 8-20-02 with possible Grave's. Scheduled for uptake and

> scan on 10-16 to determine if Grave's or Thyroiditis. Blood tests for

> TSH, FT4, T3 by RIA (What is that, by the way?) May be taking

> tincture of lemon balm, bugleweed and skullcap, again, when my

> naturopath gets back from Mexico after the 17th.

>

>

>

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Vic -

Could very well be that you were hypo before becoming hyper.

Just to muddy the issue though, my spouse was on Lipitor for a couple months

before he developed muscle pain and weakness like you describe. Had lab

tests done, and his CK levels were raised (one of the tests they check to

see if you;re having an adverse reaction to it), so he was to stop the

Lipitor. His arm muscles felt better a few weeks after stopping, but he had

what he called a " tightness " in the muscles for probably several months

after. However, he had all this with no thyroid connection. I've got TSH

levels for him both before Lipitor and after and he's perfectly in normal

range. So I guess the point is the muscle weakness and pain from Lipitor are

rare but not unheard of side effects of the Lipitor itself - independent of

thyroid disease.

This is not to say that you weren't hypo, but that the muscle probs could

have been a result of the Lipitor.

Just out of curiousity, did your doc give you anything different to try for

your cholesterol? I'm just wondering because hubby's been a a couple more

drugs sine the Lipitor and so far nothing has been really very effective.

Just wanted to know if anyone else was having better luck with something.

Diagnosed 7/01 very early with Graves', alternative treatment. So far

euthyroid since 10/01. Also have

high TPO ABs, new theory is Hashitoxicosis. T4's currently normal, but on a

TSH rollercoaster.

Early eye symptoms.

Hypothyroidism to Hyperthyroidism - Elaine

> I would like to know more about why you think that I may have had

> subclinical hypothyroidism which became hyperthyroidism. What is the

> reason that hypo goes to hyper?

>

> I ran across an interesting piece of information that would be of

> interest to thyroid patients that are also taking cholesterol-

> lowering drugs.

>

> " Certain drugs, such as lipid-lowering drugs, may exacerbate myopathy

> in patients with hypothyroidism. Lipid-lowering drugs include beta-

> hydroxy-beta-methylglutaryl-CoA (HMG-CoA) reductase inhibitors such

> as the following:

> Atorvastatin (Lipitor)

> Fluvastatin (Lescol)

> Simvastatin (Zocor)

> Pravastatin (Pravachol)

> Lovastatin (Mevacor) "

>

> An interesting anectode about this is that I gave up Lipitor because

> I thought it was causing harm to my muscles (and to my shoulders).

> This was way before I was diagnosed as having hyperthyroidism. I

> guess my subconscious was telling me something and I listened, for a

> change. By the way, my shoulder pain and restricted range of motion

> went away after two months without Lipitor. My muscles (particularly

> my thigh and underarm muscles) remain damaged to this day.

>

> The evidence is mounting up that I was hypothyroid before I became

> hyperthyroid. I would also like to know what tests could have been

> run when the normal tests for hypo did not show it? That's why they

> call it " subclinical " , right? How do they determine you are hypo?

> It's too late for me, but I would like to know in case I meet

> someone, later, with similar circumstances and would like to help

> them avoid the problems I have had.

>

> Vic

> Diagnosed 8-20-02 with possible Grave's. Scheduled for uptake and

> scan on 10-16 to determine if Grave's or Thyroiditis. Blood tests for

> TSH, FT4, T3 by RIA (What is that, by the way?) May be taking

> tincture of lemon balm, bugleweed and skullcap, again, when my

> naturopath gets back from Mexico after the 17th.

>

>

>

> -------------------------------------

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intended to replace expert medical care.

> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

> ----------------------------------------

> DISCLAIMER

>

> Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list do not have the endorsement

of

> the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails.

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Vic -

Could very well be that you were hypo before becoming hyper.

Just to muddy the issue though, my spouse was on Lipitor for a couple months

before he developed muscle pain and weakness like you describe. Had lab

tests done, and his CK levels were raised (one of the tests they check to

see if you;re having an adverse reaction to it), so he was to stop the

Lipitor. His arm muscles felt better a few weeks after stopping, but he had

what he called a " tightness " in the muscles for probably several months

after. However, he had all this with no thyroid connection. I've got TSH

levels for him both before Lipitor and after and he's perfectly in normal

range. So I guess the point is the muscle weakness and pain from Lipitor are

rare but not unheard of side effects of the Lipitor itself - independent of

thyroid disease.

This is not to say that you weren't hypo, but that the muscle probs could

have been a result of the Lipitor.

Just out of curiousity, did your doc give you anything different to try for

your cholesterol? I'm just wondering because hubby's been a a couple more

drugs sine the Lipitor and so far nothing has been really very effective.

Just wanted to know if anyone else was having better luck with something.

Diagnosed 7/01 very early with Graves', alternative treatment. So far

euthyroid since 10/01. Also have

high TPO ABs, new theory is Hashitoxicosis. T4's currently normal, but on a

TSH rollercoaster.

Early eye symptoms.

Hypothyroidism to Hyperthyroidism - Elaine

> I would like to know more about why you think that I may have had

> subclinical hypothyroidism which became hyperthyroidism. What is the

> reason that hypo goes to hyper?

>

> I ran across an interesting piece of information that would be of

> interest to thyroid patients that are also taking cholesterol-

> lowering drugs.

>

> " Certain drugs, such as lipid-lowering drugs, may exacerbate myopathy

> in patients with hypothyroidism. Lipid-lowering drugs include beta-

> hydroxy-beta-methylglutaryl-CoA (HMG-CoA) reductase inhibitors such

> as the following:

> Atorvastatin (Lipitor)

> Fluvastatin (Lescol)

> Simvastatin (Zocor)

> Pravastatin (Pravachol)

> Lovastatin (Mevacor) "

>

> An interesting anectode about this is that I gave up Lipitor because

> I thought it was causing harm to my muscles (and to my shoulders).

> This was way before I was diagnosed as having hyperthyroidism. I

> guess my subconscious was telling me something and I listened, for a

> change. By the way, my shoulder pain and restricted range of motion

> went away after two months without Lipitor. My muscles (particularly

> my thigh and underarm muscles) remain damaged to this day.

>

> The evidence is mounting up that I was hypothyroid before I became

> hyperthyroid. I would also like to know what tests could have been

> run when the normal tests for hypo did not show it? That's why they

> call it " subclinical " , right? How do they determine you are hypo?

> It's too late for me, but I would like to know in case I meet

> someone, later, with similar circumstances and would like to help

> them avoid the problems I have had.

>

> Vic

> Diagnosed 8-20-02 with possible Grave's. Scheduled for uptake and

> scan on 10-16 to determine if Grave's or Thyroiditis. Blood tests for

> TSH, FT4, T3 by RIA (What is that, by the way?) May be taking

> tincture of lemon balm, bugleweed and skullcap, again, when my

> naturopath gets back from Mexico after the 17th.

>

>

>

> -------------------------------------

> The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

intended to replace expert medical care.

> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

> ----------------------------------------

> DISCLAIMER

>

> Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list do not have the endorsement

of

> the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails.

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------

------------

>

>

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,

You asked: > Just out of curiousity, did your doc give you anything

different to try for your cholesterol?

No. This was because I had told him that I was choosing quality of

life over quantity of years lived and did not want to live longer

with damaged muscles; in a letter, because I didn't think I needed an

appointment to tell him that I had decided not to take it, anymore.

I haven't been an ideal patient. I wrote him several letters, over

the last year, telling him of appointments I had with other doctors

at the clinic when I was unable to get an appointment to see him, and

informing him of what had occurred between appointments. I guess I

was hoping he would put it all together and come up with an

explanation for episodes of stiffness when I would get up after

sitting still for a while, or in the morning, and aches in all of the

bones of my body and muscle damage, etc. It wasn't until I came up

with insommnia, frequent bowel movements and a rapid heartbeat that

he put it all together (hyperthyroidism).

Some of the lifelong problems, such as depression, now may be

attributed to hypothyroidism, I guess. All to do with the thyroid,

anyway.

When you say that your husband's cholesterol keeps rising, what

numbers are you talking about? Cholesterol is a very complex subject

and there can be many reasons why the numbers appear as they do.

Have you heard that it is the ratio between the bad cholesterol and

the good cholesterol that is more important than the reading on bad

cholesterol, for example?

Vic

[Guest guest]

,

You asked: > Just out of curiousity, did your doc give you anything

different to try for your cholesterol?

No. This was because I had told him that I was choosing quality of

life over quantity of years lived and did not want to live longer

with damaged muscles; in a letter, because I didn't think I needed an

appointment to tell him that I had decided not to take it, anymore.

I haven't been an ideal patient. I wrote him several letters, over

the last year, telling him of appointments I had with other doctors

at the clinic when I was unable to get an appointment to see him, and

informing him of what had occurred between appointments. I guess I

was hoping he would put it all together and come up with an

explanation for episodes of stiffness when I would get up after

sitting still for a while, or in the morning, and aches in all of the

bones of my body and muscle damage, etc. It wasn't until I came up

with insommnia, frequent bowel movements and a rapid heartbeat that

he put it all together (hyperthyroidism).

Some of the lifelong problems, such as depression, now may be

attributed to hypothyroidism, I guess. All to do with the thyroid,

anyway.

When you say that your husband's cholesterol keeps rising, what

numbers are you talking about? Cholesterol is a very complex subject

and there can be many reasons why the numbers appear as they do.

Have you heard that it is the ratio between the bad cholesterol and

the good cholesterol that is more important than the reading on bad

cholesterol, for example?

Vic

[Guest guest]

,

You asked: > Just out of curiousity, did your doc give you anything

different to try for your cholesterol?

No. This was because I had told him that I was choosing quality of

life over quantity of years lived and did not want to live longer

with damaged muscles; in a letter, because I didn't think I needed an

appointment to tell him that I had decided not to take it, anymore.

I haven't been an ideal patient. I wrote him several letters, over

the last year, telling him of appointments I had with other doctors

at the clinic when I was unable to get an appointment to see him, and

informing him of what had occurred between appointments. I guess I

was hoping he would put it all together and come up with an

explanation for episodes of stiffness when I would get up after

sitting still for a while, or in the morning, and aches in all of the

bones of my body and muscle damage, etc. It wasn't until I came up

with insommnia, frequent bowel movements and a rapid heartbeat that

he put it all together (hyperthyroidism).

Some of the lifelong problems, such as depression, now may be

attributed to hypothyroidism, I guess. All to do with the thyroid,

anyway.

When you say that your husband's cholesterol keeps rising, what

numbers are you talking about? Cholesterol is a very complex subject

and there can be many reasons why the numbers appear as they do.

Have you heard that it is the ratio between the bad cholesterol and

the good cholesterol that is more important than the reading on bad

cholesterol, for example?

Vic

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In a message dated 10/11/2002 11:40:03 PM Central Daylight Time,

mlbuck@... writes:

> Just out of curiousity, did your doc give you anything different

> to try for your cholesterol? I'm just wondering because hubby's

> been a a couple more drugs sine the Lipitor and so far nothing

> has been really very effective. Just wanted to know if anyone

> else was having better luck with something.

Hi .

My husband has been taking Policosanol for the past 9 months and his

triglyceride had dropped from 286 to 168. The cholesterol changes have been

less dramatic, LDL decreased from 164 to 147, and HDL increased from 34 to

42. He hasn't had any side effects, so we think it's been really great, much

better than drugs.

Bertta

[Guest guest]

Hey Bertta -

Thanks for the tip - I'll look into that!

Diagnosed 7/01 very early with Graves', alternative treatment. So far

euthyroid since 10/01. Also have

high TPO ABs, new theory is Hashitoxicosis. T4's currently normal, but on a

TSH rollercoaster.

Early eye symptoms.

Re: Hypothyroidism to Hyperthyroidism - Vic

> In a message dated 10/11/2002 11:40:03 PM Central Daylight Time,

> mlbuck@... writes:

>

> > Just out of curiousity, did your doc give you anything different

> > to try for your cholesterol? I'm just wondering because hubby's

> > been a a couple more drugs sine the Lipitor and so far nothing

> > has been really very effective. Just wanted to know if anyone

> > else was having better luck with something.

>

> Hi .

>

> My husband has been taking Policosanol for the past 9 months and his

> triglyceride had dropped from 286 to 168. The cholesterol changes have

been

> less dramatic, LDL decreased from 164 to 147, and HDL increased from 34 to

> 42. He hasn't had any side effects, so we think it's been really great,

much

> better than drugs.

>

> Bertta

>

>

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>

>

>

>

>