Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 One of the leaders here in our town, Larry, who works out a lot, says for the first hour, you add 2 points and then, if very vigarous exercise, 4 points an hour for each hour after the first hour. I work out 90 minutes to 2 hours a day. Usually I try to do a vigarous w/o the first hour like an aerobics tape with weights or healthrider or scooter w/o or hard biking (like hills and stuff). For the second hour I do something considerably easier like the set of pedals by my computer. If you've really busted tail (like say Tory in training for tri) you can add the 4 points or 5 per hour. But mostly figure it on " light activity " to be safe (that's 3 points an hour) and if you have any doubts, use Larry's (the leader's) guage...2 points the first hour and 4 points an hour for time following the first hour. If you misjudge and count too few points, your body will tell you - you will have the worst growl in your stomach imaginable (that's happened to me) - then you can adjust.... but most of us will NOT work out in such a way as to earn more than 3 or 4 points an hour. How much muscle you have also figures in. If you weigh heavy but have a low bodyfat percentage you are going to burn more calories per hour exercising. JMO, Sue Re: HELP > I don't know how many I am earning. I work out hard for at least an hour on most days. I work out for 1.5 hours - 2 hours on one day a week, sometimes two. If I look at the exercise point thing, sometimes that translates back into like 9 points, but I heard at the meetings that you are only supposed to add in 4 points per day max. So I haven't been adding in more than that and really I guess I try not to add those in either. Perhaps that is the problem, although it is hard for me to believe I would need to eat more food. I mean intellectually you can know something, but feeling it is right or true is a whole different story. > > Thanks, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Don't agree with this at all. I'll go on a 90 minute bike ride - and count it as 10 or 11 APs. Even eating those APs, I lose. AP's should be based on your weight, duration and intensity. Only you can judge the intensity of your workouts. Why would you count everything as light, if you're doing moderate or heavy exercise. BTW, my rides are moderate/heavy intensity, so I figure both #'s and average. Mitch SueW wrote: >One of the leaders here in our town, Larry, who works out a lot, says for >the first hour, you add 2 points and then, if very vigarous exercise, 4 >points an hour for each hour after the first hour. > >I work out 90 minutes to 2 hours a day. Usually I try to do a vigarous w/o >the first hour like an aerobics tape with weights or healthrider or scooter >w/o or hard biking (like hills and stuff). For the second hour I do >something considerably easier like the set of pedals by my computer. > >If you've really busted tail (like say Tory in training for tri) you can add >the 4 points or 5 per hour. But mostly figure it on " light activity " to be >safe (that's 3 points an hour) and if you have any doubts, use Larry's (the >leader's) guage...2 points the first hour and 4 points an hour for time >following the first hour. If you misjudge and count too few points, your >body will tell you - you will have the worst growl in your stomach >imaginable (that's happened to me) - then you can adjust.... but most of us >will NOT work out in such a way as to earn more than 3 or 4 points an hour. >How much muscle you have also figures in. If you weigh heavy but have a low >bodyfat percentage you are going to burn more calories per hour exercising. > >JMO, > Sue > > Re: HELP > > > > >>I don't know how many I am earning. I work out hard for at least an hour >> >> >on most days. I work out for 1.5 hours - 2 hours on one day a week, >sometimes two. If I look at the exercise point thing, sometimes that >translates back into like 9 points, but I heard at the meetings that you are >only supposed to add in 4 points per day max. So I haven't been adding in >more than that and really I guess I try not to add those in either. Perhaps >that is the problem, although it is hard for me to believe I would need to >eat more food. I mean intellectually you can know something, but feeling it >is right or true is a whole different story. > > >>Thanks, >> >> >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Don't agree with this at all. I'll go on a 90 minute bike ride - and count it as 10 or 11 APs. Even eating those APs, I lose. AP's should be based on your weight, duration and intensity. Only you can judge the intensity of your workouts. Why would you count everything as light, if you're doing moderate or heavy exercise. BTW, my rides are moderate/heavy intensity, so I figure both #'s and average. Mitch SueW wrote: >One of the leaders here in our town, Larry, who works out a lot, says for >the first hour, you add 2 points and then, if very vigarous exercise, 4 >points an hour for each hour after the first hour. > >I work out 90 minutes to 2 hours a day. Usually I try to do a vigarous w/o >the first hour like an aerobics tape with weights or healthrider or scooter >w/o or hard biking (like hills and stuff). For the second hour I do >something considerably easier like the set of pedals by my computer. > >If you've really busted tail (like say Tory in training for tri) you can add >the 4 points or 5 per hour. But mostly figure it on " light activity " to be >safe (that's 3 points an hour) and if you have any doubts, use Larry's (the >leader's) guage...2 points the first hour and 4 points an hour for time >following the first hour. If you misjudge and count too few points, your >body will tell you - you will have the worst growl in your stomach >imaginable (that's happened to me) - then you can adjust.... but most of us >will NOT work out in such a way as to earn more than 3 or 4 points an hour. >How much muscle you have also figures in. If you weigh heavy but have a low >bodyfat percentage you are going to burn more calories per hour exercising. > >JMO, > Sue > > Re: HELP > > > > >>I don't know how many I am earning. I work out hard for at least an hour >> >> >on most days. I work out for 1.5 hours - 2 hours on one day a week, >sometimes two. If I look at the exercise point thing, sometimes that >translates back into like 9 points, but I heard at the meetings that you are >only supposed to add in 4 points per day max. So I haven't been adding in >more than that and really I guess I try not to add those in either. Perhaps >that is the problem, although it is hard for me to believe I would need to >eat more food. I mean intellectually you can know something, but feeling it >is right or true is a whole different story. > > >>Thanks, >> >> >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Men have more muscles than women. Your age makes a difference. And if you really pedal to the medal that makes a difference too. Men typically lose (especially young men) with very little work at all so if you do longer workouts, I'm not surprised the weight is dropping off. However, this is not the rule according to WW and it certainly isn't true for women especially older ones. A person is wise being conservative about taking AP's and if they are wrong (like I was yesterday) their stomach will growl something fierce and they can adjust (like I did yesterday). Most biker men I know ride like they think they're in the TdF but most women DO NOT ride like that. I believe the original question was asked by a woman. (Most women consider me something of an " animal " on a bike but I average 12-16 mph and 10 mph if it's hot out. Most of the men I know are averaging 16-20 mph). That is, you are obviously doing the right thing for YOU but that may be more of an exception than a rule. WW suggests only taking 4 APs a day. That's probably a good guage for most of us. I often take more (6-8) for 90 - 120 minutes of cardio, but when you deviate from WW's rule which is made FOR MOST people, you have to be careful. That was basically all I was saying. (in 50 million words... *LOL*) Sue PS: I left the entire thread in the quoted section so in case someone wants to " catch up " they can. (I think this is sort of an important and often misunderstood topic) Re: HELP > > > > > > > > > >>I don't know how many I am earning. I work out hard for at least an hour > >> > >> > >on most days. I work out for 1.5 hours - 2 hours on one day a week, > >sometimes two. If I look at the exercise point thing, sometimes that > >translates back into like 9 points, but I heard at the meetings that you are > >only supposed to add in 4 points per day max. So I haven't been adding in > >more than that and really I guess I try not to add those in either. Perhaps > >that is the problem, although it is hard for me to believe I would need to > >eat more food. I mean intellectually you can know something, but feeling it > >is right or true is a whole different story. > > > > > >>Thanks, > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Men have more muscles than women. Your age makes a difference. And if you really pedal to the medal that makes a difference too. Men typically lose (especially young men) with very little work at all so if you do longer workouts, I'm not surprised the weight is dropping off. However, this is not the rule according to WW and it certainly isn't true for women especially older ones. A person is wise being conservative about taking AP's and if they are wrong (like I was yesterday) their stomach will growl something fierce and they can adjust (like I did yesterday). Most biker men I know ride like they think they're in the TdF but most women DO NOT ride like that. I believe the original question was asked by a woman. (Most women consider me something of an " animal " on a bike but I average 12-16 mph and 10 mph if it's hot out. Most of the men I know are averaging 16-20 mph). That is, you are obviously doing the right thing for YOU but that may be more of an exception than a rule. WW suggests only taking 4 APs a day. That's probably a good guage for most of us. I often take more (6-8) for 90 - 120 minutes of cardio, but when you deviate from WW's rule which is made FOR MOST people, you have to be careful. That was basically all I was saying. (in 50 million words... *LOL*) Sue PS: I left the entire thread in the quoted section so in case someone wants to " catch up " they can. (I think this is sort of an important and often misunderstood topic) Re: HELP > > > > > > > > > >>I don't know how many I am earning. I work out hard for at least an hour > >> > >> > >on most days. I work out for 1.5 hours - 2 hours on one day a week, > >sometimes two. If I look at the exercise point thing, sometimes that > >translates back into like 9 points, but I heard at the meetings that you are > >only supposed to add in 4 points per day max. So I haven't been adding in > >more than that and really I guess I try not to add those in either. Perhaps > >that is the problem, although it is hard for me to believe I would need to > >eat more food. I mean intellectually you can know something, but feeling it > >is right or true is a whole different story. > > > > > >>Thanks, > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 I agree w/ Mitch on this one. I think you need to look at the " activity point ruler " and judge what your point value is and not give yourself a base of only 2 points for the first hour. I count 2 pts for 30 minutes at Curves, so if I did it for an hour, I would definitely give myself the 4 pts. I rarely give myself a grade of high intensity on my workouts, but if I used the breathing, talking, singing rules that WW gives you, I'm usually at high intensity. The only time I ever really feel like I'm doing something at high intensity is if I'm running outside in this stinkin' heat. =) Then, I give myself the full 100% effort marker. =) I usually don't even count the actual light intensity activities, like gardening. I keep the AP's reserved for my structured workouts at Curves and training for my upcoming 5K. 175/157.8/130 Re: HELP - counting APs Men have more muscles than women. Your age makes a difference. And if you really pedal to the medal that makes a difference too. Men typically lose (especially young men) with very little work at all so if you do longer workouts, I'm not surprised the weight is dropping off. However, this is not the rule according to WW and it certainly isn't true for women especially older ones. A person is wise being conservative about taking AP's and if they are wrong (like I was yesterday) their stomach will growl something fierce and they can adjust (like I did yesterday). Most biker men I know ride like they think they're in the TdF but most women DO NOT ride like that. I believe the original question was asked by a woman. (Most women consider me something of an " animal " on a bike but I average 12-16 mph and 10 mph if it's hot out. Most of the men I know are averaging 16-20 mph). That is, you are obviously doing the right thing for YOU but that may be more of an exception than a rule. WW suggests only taking 4 APs a day. That's probably a good guage for most of us. I often take more (6-8) for 90 - 120 minutes of cardio, but when you deviate from WW's rule which is made FOR MOST people, you have to be careful. That was basically all I was saying. (in 50 million words... *LOL*) Sue PS: I left the entire thread in the quoted section so in case someone wants to " catch up " they can. (I think this is sort of an important and often misunderstood topic) Re: HELP > > > > > > > > > >>I don't know how many I am earning. I work out hard for at least an hour > >> > >> > >on most days. I work out for 1.5 hours - 2 hours on one day a week, > >sometimes two. If I look at the exercise point thing, sometimes that > >translates back into like 9 points, but I heard at the meetings that > >you are > >only supposed to add in 4 points per day max. So I haven't been > >adding in > >more than that and really I guess I try not to add those in either. Perhaps > >that is the problem, although it is hard for me to believe I would > >need to > >eat more food. I mean intellectually you can know something, but > >feeling it > >is right or true is a whole different story. > > > > > >>Thanks, > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 I agree w/ Mitch on this one. I think you need to look at the " activity point ruler " and judge what your point value is and not give yourself a base of only 2 points for the first hour. I count 2 pts for 30 minutes at Curves, so if I did it for an hour, I would definitely give myself the 4 pts. I rarely give myself a grade of high intensity on my workouts, but if I used the breathing, talking, singing rules that WW gives you, I'm usually at high intensity. The only time I ever really feel like I'm doing something at high intensity is if I'm running outside in this stinkin' heat. =) Then, I give myself the full 100% effort marker. =) I usually don't even count the actual light intensity activities, like gardening. I keep the AP's reserved for my structured workouts at Curves and training for my upcoming 5K. 175/157.8/130 Re: HELP - counting APs Men have more muscles than women. Your age makes a difference. And if you really pedal to the medal that makes a difference too. Men typically lose (especially young men) with very little work at all so if you do longer workouts, I'm not surprised the weight is dropping off. However, this is not the rule according to WW and it certainly isn't true for women especially older ones. A person is wise being conservative about taking AP's and if they are wrong (like I was yesterday) their stomach will growl something fierce and they can adjust (like I did yesterday). Most biker men I know ride like they think they're in the TdF but most women DO NOT ride like that. I believe the original question was asked by a woman. (Most women consider me something of an " animal " on a bike but I average 12-16 mph and 10 mph if it's hot out. Most of the men I know are averaging 16-20 mph). That is, you are obviously doing the right thing for YOU but that may be more of an exception than a rule. WW suggests only taking 4 APs a day. That's probably a good guage for most of us. I often take more (6-8) for 90 - 120 minutes of cardio, but when you deviate from WW's rule which is made FOR MOST people, you have to be careful. That was basically all I was saying. (in 50 million words... *LOL*) Sue PS: I left the entire thread in the quoted section so in case someone wants to " catch up " they can. (I think this is sort of an important and often misunderstood topic) Re: HELP > > > > > > > > > >>I don't know how many I am earning. I work out hard for at least an hour > >> > >> > >on most days. I work out for 1.5 hours - 2 hours on one day a week, > >sometimes two. If I look at the exercise point thing, sometimes that > >translates back into like 9 points, but I heard at the meetings that > >you are > >only supposed to add in 4 points per day max. So I haven't been > >adding in > >more than that and really I guess I try not to add those in either. Perhaps > >that is the problem, although it is hard for me to believe I would > >need to > >eat more food. I mean intellectually you can know something, but > >feeling it > >is right or true is a whole different story. > > > > > >>Thanks, > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 > Men have more muscles than women. Your age makes a > difference. And if you really pedal to the medal that makes a > difference too. Men typically lose (especially young men) > with very little work at all so if you do longer workouts, > I'm not surprised the weight is dropping off. However, this > is not the rule according to WW and it certainly isn't true > for women especially older ones. A person is wise being > conservative about taking AP's and if they are wrong (like I > was yesterday) their stomach will growl something fierce and > they can adjust (like I did yesterday). This isn't necessarily true. My husband has not lost at the same rate I have. He works hard at it, too. It's as individual in men as it is in women. > Most biker men I know ride like they think they're in the TdF > but most women DO NOT ride like that. I believe the original > question was asked by a woman. (Most women consider me > something of an " animal " on a bike but I average 12-16 mph > and 10 mph if it's hot out. Most of the men I know are > averaging 16-20 mph). > > That is, you are obviously doing the right thing for YOU but > that may be more of an exception than a rule. > > WW suggests only taking 4 APs a day. That's probably a good > guage for most of us. I often take more (6-8) for 90 - 120 > minutes of cardio, but when you deviate from WW's rule which > is made FOR MOST people, you have to be careful. That was > basically all I was saying. (in 50 million words... > *LOL*) Actually, Wwers says you can eat all your Aps, regardless of how many you earn. The 2 points for an hour thing that Larry suggests is NOT a weight watchers idea at all. I re-read the information on their website often (to make sure when I'm responding to something, I don't respond incorrectly). Aps are based on: 1. Weight 2. Duration of activity 3. Intensity of activity For example, if I saunter around the mall for an hour at 116 pounds, I earn 2 Aps. However, if I run for an hour at a 10 minute mile pace my HRM (which uses my heart rate, my current weight, and my duration) will tell me I'm burning over 1000 calories. That's 10 Aps. If I used Larry's plan, I'd eat my 2 Aps and would be under-feeding my body. Of course as you said, not everyone is going to work out at this intensity. If people want to know how many Aps to count for something they can go to a website that counts calories per minute of activity and divide by 100. The site www.caloriesperhour.com does that. For example on Saturday I ran for 67 minutes, at a relatively slow pace of 10.9 minute mile. I put it into calories per hour and it comes up to pretty closely what my HRM came up with, 1058 calories in 1 hour and 7 minutes. I think estimating is fine, though, if you're not working out as intensely. But once you start really making exercise a pretty big part of your day, you need to be sure to count your Aps correctly so you're sure you're eating enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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