Re: Virus or autoimmunity?

[Guest guest]

Olive leaf extract is high in phenols; this can cause hyperactivity in

someone sensitive to phenols. I've read a lot of posts about

parents successfully using the No-Fenol enzyme (from Houston Nutraceuticals

= www.houstonni.com) with olive leaf extract.

I would suggest joining the chelatingkids2 list

(chelatingkids2 ). We're discussing Dr. Buttar's

transdermal DMPS protocol. Some parents who had previously tried almost

everything (including DMSA and ALA) are seeing good results (so far) with

the transdermal DMPS.

At 07:38 AM 8/24/2004 +0000, you wrote:

>Hi everybody,

>my son has very high antibodies to rubella (7 times the ref.range)

>and measles(4.5 times the reference range). His salivary antibodies

>to measles were not high. He does not seem to have big gut problems.

>I tried high vitamin A protocol with him (my doctor adviced to try

>200 000 for two days). I did not notice anything extraordinary, no

>rash or anything. Before that I was supplementing 20 000 per day,

>and my son had some visual stims, for example he liked to watch TV

>from very close distance. After I tried high vitA his visual stims

>greatly intensified and reduced only when I stopped vitamin A

>completely. I also tried olive leaf extract and monolaurin, he does

>not react to monolaurin at all but gets extremely hyper on olive

>leaf extract.I don't know what to think. Does it sound like he has

>no virus, just overreactive immune system? Or he has virus but the

>treatments I used were not sufficient to kill it? We chelated for a

>very long time but he still does not talk so I am looking for other

>problems and I don't know how to address these high antibodies issue.

>I would so much appreciate your advice.

>Thank you

>Margaret

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[Guest guest]

> I tried high vitamin A protocol with him (my doctor adviced to try

> 200 000 for two days). I did not notice anything extraordinary, no

> rash or anything.

This dose would not be sufficient to kill measles virus. If you did

not notice anything, it is possible that it did not eliminate the

measles virus.

Here is my page

http://www.danasview.net/vitamina.htm

Before that I was supplementing 20 000 per day,

> and my son had some visual stims, for example he liked to watch TV

> from very close distance. After I tried high vitA his visual stims

> greatly intensified and reduced only when I stopped vitamin A

> completely.

How long has it been since you stopped? Have the visuals returned?

I also tried olive leaf extract and monolaurin, he does

> not react to monolaurin at all but gets extremely hyper on olive

> leaf extract.

Try giving it with No-Fenol enzyme.

Or he just might not tolerate it. My son would not have tolerated it

until about round 70 of ALA chelation.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi Dana,

thank you for your reply. I tried 200 000 instead of 400 000 because

I am not sure if he has measles virus at all and I am afraid to harm

him in case that he absorbs vitamin A well and there is no virus

that would suck it. I stopped all vitamin A about 10 days ago and he

almost has no visuals but they intensify even from 10 000 tablet of

vitamin A. Before trying vitamin A protocol we did the blood test

and his vitamin A level was normal. I am wondering if this means

that there is no virus and the high antibodies are just from

autoimmune reaction because of mercury or there is virus. I will try

to give OLE together with No-Fenol, I almost stopped No-Fenol

because he seems to tolerate most of foods well. I feel that he is

still mercury or some other metal toxic because he gets yeast from

chelation. We did about 80 rounds(20 with DMSA, the rest DMSA+ALA,

several last DMPS+ALA).

Margaret

> > I tried high vitamin A protocol with him (my doctor adviced to

try

> > 200 000 for two days). I did not notice anything extraordinary,

no

> > rash or anything.

>

>

> This dose would not be sufficient to kill measles virus. If you

did

> not notice anything, it is possible that it did not eliminate the

> measles virus.

>

> Here is my page

>

> http://www.danasview.net/vitamina.htm

>

>

> Before that I was supplementing 20 000 per day,

> > and my son had some visual stims, for example he liked to watch

TV

> > from very close distance. After I tried high vitA his visual

stims

> > greatly intensified and reduced only when I stopped vitamin A

> > completely.

>

>

> How long has it been since you stopped? Have the visuals returned?

>

>

> I also tried olive leaf extract and monolaurin, he does

> > not react to monolaurin at all but gets extremely hyper on olive

> > leaf extract.

>

>

> Try giving it with No-Fenol enzyme.

>

> Or he just might not tolerate it. My son would not have tolerated

it

> until about round 70 of ALA chelation.

>

> Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi Dana,

thank you for your reply. I used 200 000 instead of 400 000 because

I am not sure if he has virus or not. High antibodies can be just

from autoimmune reaction, right? I stopped vitamin A 10 days ago and

he has some visuals but if I give any vitamin A they increase. What

do you think?

Thank you,

Margaret

> > I tried high vitamin A protocol with him (my doctor adviced to

try

> > 200 000 for two days). I did not notice anything extraordinary,

no

> > rash or anything.

>

>

> This dose would not be sufficient to kill measles virus. If you

did

> not notice anything, it is possible that it did not eliminate the

> measles virus.

>

> Here is my page

>

> http://www.danasview.net/vitamina.htm

>

>

> Before that I was supplementing 20 000 per day,

> > and my son had some visual stims, for example he liked to watch

TV

> > from very close distance. After I tried high vitA his visual

stims

> > greatly intensified and reduced only when I stopped vitamin A

> > completely.

>

>

> How long has it been since you stopped? Have the visuals returned?

>

>

> I also tried olive leaf extract and monolaurin, he does

> > not react to monolaurin at all but gets extremely hyper on olive

> > leaf extract.

>

>

> Try giving it with No-Fenol enzyme.

>

> Or he just might not tolerate it. My son would not have tolerated

it

> until about round 70 of ALA chelation.

>

> Dana

[Guest guest]

> Hi Dana,

> thank you for your reply. I used 200 000 instead of 400 000 because

> I am not sure if he has virus or not. High antibodies can be just

> from autoimmune reaction, right?

I don't know, but possibly.

But if you were able to give 200,000 IU for 2 days, and did not notice

any signs of toxicity, then my guess is that there is measles virus

sucking it up. Check for signs of toxicity here

http://www.danasview.net/vitamina.htm

I stopped vitamin A 10 days ago and

> he has some visuals but if I give any vitamin A they increase. What

> do you think?

Not sure. I would probably give 100,000 IU for a day, see what

happens. If you don't notice any signs of toxicity, then I would do a

day of 400,000 IU, see what happens. If you don't notice any signs of

toxicity, then give another day of 400,000 IU. I would do this even

if the visuals increased with the vitamin A, because my son's visuals

increased when he was on the high dose protocol.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> thank you for your reply. I tried 200 000 instead of 400 000 because

> I am not sure if he has measles virus at all and I am afraid to harm

> him in case that he absorbs vitamin A well and there is no virus

> that would suck it.

I can understand that.

My #2 has had toxicity rash 3 times, with no ill effects. Your child

might not have the same symptom of toxicity, but I thought I would

mention that.

>>I stopped all vitamin A about 10 days ago and he

> almost has no visuals but they intensify even from 10 000 tablet of

> vitamin A. Before trying vitamin A protocol we did the blood test

> and his vitamin A level was normal. I am wondering if this means

> that there is no virus and the high antibodies are just from

> autoimmune reaction because of mercury or there is virus.

You might want to test his measles antibodies again, see if they are

still high.

Dana