talking too much

[Guest guest]

I have a big problem with this with hannah too. She talks non-stop and about

absolutely everything. IT doesn't even matter if you are listening to her, she

just holds your end of the conversation too (or " whomever " she is speaking too -

she tends to have lots of imaginary friends - normal but kinda creepy). We were

told that although she listens in school that they constantly have to tell her

to stop speaking. She tends to speak the most when her hearing aids aren't

working or if they are out - especially at nap time. That is just what I have

noticed about her.

I've started working with her telling her that there is a time to talk and

there is a time not to talk - and unfortunately she can't whisper. She tries to

just whisper something and ends up yelling it anyway! She doesn't quite get the

idea that she can't blurt out everything on her mind. At least now we don't

have the contant " what " that we had before she was aided.

Anyway - I know that was of absolutely no help - but just telling you that I'm

experienceing the same thing. Don't know if it is a " normal " thing or maybe

some other parents of HOH have the same issue. I would be curious to find out.

frtoube@... wrote:

I never thought I would have to worry about this little problem, but here

goes!

We just had 's 6 month review at school. He is 3 and a half, and we were

looking to see what services etc need to be in

place before he goes to Big School (!) at 4pm. Mostly it was very positive but

one of the things his class teacher said was

that he talks and sings all the time. Yeah, I know. Like this is a problem! I

mean we all want our kids to talk and sing all the

time. But apparently he does it in school all the time. Like he is doing a

picture and cuts a piece of straw and it shoots off. So

he says " pop " and laughs. And then sings " pop goes the weasel " several times. He

desn't do this particularly loudly (aparet

from this last week when he has had a terrible cold and EVERYTHING IS LOUD) but

apprently it is disturbing the other kids.

If asked to be quiet, he is, but then he just can't stop himself and starts

again. Mostly it is a commentary on what he is

doing " I will cut this bit here and then I am going to find a shiny bit. Yes, I

think this one is just right. Oh if only I could find a

blue one. Here it is " etc etc. Apparently none of the other kids does this

(which I was surprised at, as this is what we were

told hearing kids did). And here is my confession. We were told when was

diagnosed at 3 months that the BIG

difference between deaf and hearing kids was that hearing kids talk when they

play and deaf kids don't. So this was what

we worked on with all the time. And so he talks when he plays. All the

time. And now, poor kid, he is being told to play

silently.

So here is my question. Is this a normal thing for kids to do, or is

talking too much! And if this was a problem for your

kids, how did you solve it. I am really concerned about telling him not to talk.

I don't want to discourage the wonderful flow

of curious " why " questions and commentary. But I do recognise that there are

times when he has to be quiet.

Interestingly, when we go to synagogue on Saturdays, we always tell " no

talking inside the synaguge because people

are taking to G-d " or we ask him to use his " quiet voice " . And he as no problem

at all with this. Sometimes he forgets and

comments out loud, but he is just reminded to be silent and he is. But how will

he know when it is quiet time in school and

when it is talking time.

So, I have rambled as usual. Seems like I have the same problem as !

Any suggestions really welcome.

Felicity

Mom to (3.5 severe/profound SNHL, Phonak Superos) and Ben (almost 2,

hearing but not listening or complying)

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I have a big problem with this with hannah too. She talks non-stop and about

absolutely everything. IT doesn't even matter if you are listening to her, she

just holds your end of the conversation too (or " whomever " she is speaking too -

she tends to have lots of imaginary friends - normal but kinda creepy). We were

told that although she listens in school that they constantly have to tell her

to stop speaking. She tends to speak the most when her hearing aids aren't

working or if they are out - especially at nap time. That is just what I have

noticed about her.

I've started working with her telling her that there is a time to talk and

there is a time not to talk - and unfortunately she can't whisper. She tries to

just whisper something and ends up yelling it anyway! She doesn't quite get the

idea that she can't blurt out everything on her mind. At least now we don't

have the contant " what " that we had before she was aided.

Anyway - I know that was of absolutely no help - but just telling you that I'm

experienceing the same thing. Don't know if it is a " normal " thing or maybe

some other parents of HOH have the same issue. I would be curious to find out.

frtoube@... wrote:

I never thought I would have to worry about this little problem, but here

goes!

We just had 's 6 month review at school. He is 3 and a half, and we were

looking to see what services etc need to be in

place before he goes to Big School (!) at 4pm. Mostly it was very positive but

one of the things his class teacher said was

that he talks and sings all the time. Yeah, I know. Like this is a problem! I

mean we all want our kids to talk and sing all the

time. But apparently he does it in school all the time. Like he is doing a

picture and cuts a piece of straw and it shoots off. So

he says " pop " and laughs. And then sings " pop goes the weasel " several times. He

desn't do this particularly loudly (aparet

from this last week when he has had a terrible cold and EVERYTHING IS LOUD) but

apprently it is disturbing the other kids.

If asked to be quiet, he is, but then he just can't stop himself and starts

again. Mostly it is a commentary on what he is

doing " I will cut this bit here and then I am going to find a shiny bit. Yes, I

think this one is just right. Oh if only I could find a

blue one. Here it is " etc etc. Apparently none of the other kids does this

(which I was surprised at, as this is what we were

told hearing kids did). And here is my confession. We were told when was

diagnosed at 3 months that the BIG

difference between deaf and hearing kids was that hearing kids talk when they

play and deaf kids don't. So this was what

we worked on with all the time. And so he talks when he plays. All the

time. And now, poor kid, he is being told to play

silently.

So here is my question. Is this a normal thing for kids to do, or is

talking too much! And if this was a problem for your

kids, how did you solve it. I am really concerned about telling him not to talk.

I don't want to discourage the wonderful flow

of curious " why " questions and commentary. But I do recognise that there are

times when he has to be quiet.

Interestingly, when we go to synagogue on Saturdays, we always tell " no

talking inside the synaguge because people

are taking to G-d " or we ask him to use his " quiet voice " . And he as no problem

at all with this. Sometimes he forgets and

comments out loud, but he is just reminded to be silent and he is. But how will

he know when it is quiet time in school and

when it is talking time.

So, I have rambled as usual. Seems like I have the same problem as !

Any suggestions really welcome.

Felicity

Mom to (3.5 severe/profound SNHL, Phonak Superos) and Ben (almost 2,

hearing but not listening or complying)

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[Guest guest]

I have a big problem with this with hannah too. She talks non-stop and about

absolutely everything. IT doesn't even matter if you are listening to her, she

just holds your end of the conversation too (or " whomever " she is speaking too -

she tends to have lots of imaginary friends - normal but kinda creepy). We were

told that although she listens in school that they constantly have to tell her

to stop speaking. She tends to speak the most when her hearing aids aren't

working or if they are out - especially at nap time. That is just what I have

noticed about her.

I've started working with her telling her that there is a time to talk and

there is a time not to talk - and unfortunately she can't whisper. She tries to

just whisper something and ends up yelling it anyway! She doesn't quite get the

idea that she can't blurt out everything on her mind. At least now we don't

have the contant " what " that we had before she was aided.

Anyway - I know that was of absolutely no help - but just telling you that I'm

experienceing the same thing. Don't know if it is a " normal " thing or maybe

some other parents of HOH have the same issue. I would be curious to find out.

frtoube@... wrote:

I never thought I would have to worry about this little problem, but here

goes!

We just had 's 6 month review at school. He is 3 and a half, and we were

looking to see what services etc need to be in

place before he goes to Big School (!) at 4pm. Mostly it was very positive but

one of the things his class teacher said was

that he talks and sings all the time. Yeah, I know. Like this is a problem! I

mean we all want our kids to talk and sing all the

time. But apparently he does it in school all the time. Like he is doing a

picture and cuts a piece of straw and it shoots off. So

he says " pop " and laughs. And then sings " pop goes the weasel " several times. He

desn't do this particularly loudly (aparet

from this last week when he has had a terrible cold and EVERYTHING IS LOUD) but

apprently it is disturbing the other kids.

If asked to be quiet, he is, but then he just can't stop himself and starts

again. Mostly it is a commentary on what he is

doing " I will cut this bit here and then I am going to find a shiny bit. Yes, I

think this one is just right. Oh if only I could find a

blue one. Here it is " etc etc. Apparently none of the other kids does this

(which I was surprised at, as this is what we were

told hearing kids did). And here is my confession. We were told when was

diagnosed at 3 months that the BIG

difference between deaf and hearing kids was that hearing kids talk when they

play and deaf kids don't. So this was what

we worked on with all the time. And so he talks when he plays. All the

time. And now, poor kid, he is being told to play

silently.

So here is my question. Is this a normal thing for kids to do, or is

talking too much! And if this was a problem for your

kids, how did you solve it. I am really concerned about telling him not to talk.

I don't want to discourage the wonderful flow

of curious " why " questions and commentary. But I do recognise that there are

times when he has to be quiet.

Interestingly, when we go to synagogue on Saturdays, we always tell " no

talking inside the synaguge because people

are taking to G-d " or we ask him to use his " quiet voice " . And he as no problem

at all with this. Sometimes he forgets and

comments out loud, but he is just reminded to be silent and he is. But how will

he know when it is quiet time in school and

when it is talking time.

So, I have rambled as usual. Seems like I have the same problem as !

Any suggestions really welcome.

Felicity

Mom to (3.5 severe/profound SNHL, Phonak Superos) and Ben (almost 2,

hearing but not listening or complying)

All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post is the

intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to copyright

restrictions.

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Felicity,

I have a talker too! constantly seems to either

1.keep a running commentary on what she is doing

2.is humming or singing a song that she has learned or is making up one

to

go with what she is doing.

3.making goofy or strange noises (like her dad does)

She only does this when she is working on something by herself, but since she

loves to draw and be creative, we hear it a lot at home. She also does it at

school. Usually a simple reminder works at school. At home I just let her go

unless she's exceptionally loud and it's annoying me. We've been trying to get

her to do the " running dialog " in her head, but it's a work in progress and the

progress is slow.

Last year, when was in Kindergarten, she took a liking to the song " She

Will be Loved " by Maroon 5. However the only part that she would repeat was the

chorus. She apperently was singing it during center time or art time during

class and eventually had the whole table singin along with her. The funny thing

was that 's version was more like " an she weeeee be wuv " and that's how

the rest of the kids were singing it too. I had no idea this was going on until

I went into voluteer one day and heard her. I asked the teacher if she knew

what she was singing and she didn't, but she had noticed that she had been

singing it for the past few weeks. Apperently it was just one of a few songs

that she would sing during class while she was working.

I've never thought of it as odd or unusual, just being . I

taught kindergarten for a few years and some of the kids would do simular

things, others were very quiet. As far as her making up her songs, I just let

her go. I did the same thing when I was a kid (my mom actually has these on

tape). And the odd, goofy noises, as I said, come straight from daddy. Of

course I also had kids in my class who would do simular thing. Maybe he's just

in an exceptionally quiet class.

Not sure I have any suggestions for you. Maybe the teacher could play music

while they are working and maybe that will make your son's " talking " not as

obvious to the rest of the class.

Debbie, mom to , 6, moderate SNHL and , 3, hearing

frtoube@... wrote:

Mostly it was very positive but one of the things his class teacher said was

that he talks and sings all the time. Yeah, I know. Like this is a problem! I

mean we all want our kids to talk and sing all the time. But apparently he does

it in school all the time.

Some men see things as they are and ask why. Others dream things that never were

and ask why not. G.B Shaw

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Felicity,

I have a talker too! constantly seems to either

1.keep a running commentary on what she is doing

2.is humming or singing a song that she has learned or is making up one

to

go with what she is doing.

3.making goofy or strange noises (like her dad does)

She only does this when she is working on something by herself, but since she

loves to draw and be creative, we hear it a lot at home. She also does it at

school. Usually a simple reminder works at school. At home I just let her go

unless she's exceptionally loud and it's annoying me. We've been trying to get

her to do the " running dialog " in her head, but it's a work in progress and the

progress is slow.

Last year, when was in Kindergarten, she took a liking to the song " She

Will be Loved " by Maroon 5. However the only part that she would repeat was the

chorus. She apperently was singing it during center time or art time during

class and eventually had the whole table singin along with her. The funny thing

was that 's version was more like " an she weeeee be wuv " and that's how

the rest of the kids were singing it too. I had no idea this was going on until

I went into voluteer one day and heard her. I asked the teacher if she knew

what she was singing and she didn't, but she had noticed that she had been

singing it for the past few weeks. Apperently it was just one of a few songs

that she would sing during class while she was working.

I've never thought of it as odd or unusual, just being . I

taught kindergarten for a few years and some of the kids would do simular

things, others were very quiet. As far as her making up her songs, I just let

her go. I did the same thing when I was a kid (my mom actually has these on

tape). And the odd, goofy noises, as I said, come straight from daddy. Of

course I also had kids in my class who would do simular thing. Maybe he's just

in an exceptionally quiet class.

Not sure I have any suggestions for you. Maybe the teacher could play music

while they are working and maybe that will make your son's " talking " not as

obvious to the rest of the class.

Debbie, mom to , 6, moderate SNHL and , 3, hearing

frtoube@... wrote:

Mostly it was very positive but one of the things his class teacher said was

that he talks and sings all the time. Yeah, I know. Like this is a problem! I

mean we all want our kids to talk and sing all the time. But apparently he does

it in school all the time.

Some men see things as they are and ask why. Others dream things that never were

and ask why not. G.B Shaw

---------------------------------

Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it!

[Guest guest]

--- frtoube@... wrote:

<< So here is my question. Is this a normal thing for

kids to do, or is talking too much! >>

We have the same issue here. Emmett is 4 and stays

home with me so there are no teachers to tell me he

talks too much ... I live it! His sister is grateful

for the break when she goes to school! We're not sure

if it's personality or hearing issue, but he loves to

talk and sing, ALL THE TIME. He follows me around the

house talking to me, sometimes so close that he bumps

into me if I stop short. He's even fallen backward.

But he just gets up and keeps on going.

It's wonderful, but exhausting. When he was about 3.5

we started asking him to give us a bit of quiet time.

In the beginning he just couldn't control himself but

he's learned that it's beneficial. We're refreshed and

able to engage him once he's let us have some quiet!

He's also getting better about going off by himself if

I'm doing something that's not too terribly

interesting (like once he's sorted all the laundry or

" helped " with whatever I'm cooking) and he'll play by

himself. Comes with age, I imagine. But still he talks

or sings the whole time he's playing!

The singing is what we find really amazing. He's got

perfect pitch and sounds wonderful. And he does it all

the time. The running commentary is in there, too.

As mentioned, he does try to dominate the

conversations, especially at dinner. We've worked on

that by just making sure he follows along with what

we're saying so that he won't feel he needs to run the

show.

My mother-in-law just visited for 2 days. She hadn't

seen the kids in a year. I think she was plain worn

out by Emmett's talking and need to show her stuff.

I guess I have no real solutions. We're still in the

thick of it!

Good luck,

johanna

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

--- frtoube@... wrote:

<< So here is my question. Is this a normal thing for

kids to do, or is talking too much! >>

We have the same issue here. Emmett is 4 and stays

home with me so there are no teachers to tell me he

talks too much ... I live it! His sister is grateful

for the break when she goes to school! We're not sure

if it's personality or hearing issue, but he loves to

talk and sing, ALL THE TIME. He follows me around the

house talking to me, sometimes so close that he bumps

into me if I stop short. He's even fallen backward.

But he just gets up and keeps on going.

It's wonderful, but exhausting. When he was about 3.5

we started asking him to give us a bit of quiet time.

In the beginning he just couldn't control himself but

he's learned that it's beneficial. We're refreshed and

able to engage him once he's let us have some quiet!

He's also getting better about going off by himself if

I'm doing something that's not too terribly

interesting (like once he's sorted all the laundry or

" helped " with whatever I'm cooking) and he'll play by

himself. Comes with age, I imagine. But still he talks

or sings the whole time he's playing!

The singing is what we find really amazing. He's got

perfect pitch and sounds wonderful. And he does it all

the time. The running commentary is in there, too.

As mentioned, he does try to dominate the

conversations, especially at dinner. We've worked on

that by just making sure he follows along with what

we're saying so that he won't feel he needs to run the

show.

My mother-in-law just visited for 2 days. She hadn't

seen the kids in a year. I think she was plain worn

out by Emmett's talking and need to show her stuff.

I guess I have no real solutions. We're still in the

thick of it!

Good luck,

johanna

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

My gosh! He's only 3-1/2! He's enjoying listening to his own voice and the

fact that he can hear it! Plus if he's like the rest of our kids, he's been

pushed and encouraged to talk and talk and talk and to do it properly. Further,

some kids use talking to organize. I'd be tickled to death that he has the

language. I can't believe that other kids are not doing this at that age! It

could also be an attention getting or self calming mechanism if he's not feeling

particularly included in the group. If this is a very formal environment, it

may just not be a good fit.

-------------- Original message --------------

From: frtoube@...

> I never thought I would have to worry about this little problem, but here

goes!

>

> We just had 's 6 month review at school. He is 3 and a half, and we were

> looking to see what services etc need to be in

> place before he goes to Big School (!) at 4pm. Mostly it was very positive but

> one of the things his class teacher said was

> that he talks and sings all the time. Yeah, I know. Like this is a problem! I

> mean we all want our kids to talk and sing all the

> time. But apparently he does it in school all the time. Like he is doing a

> picture and cuts a piece of straw and it shoots off. So

> he says " pop " and laughs. And then sings " pop goes the weasel " several times.

He

> desn't do this particularly loudly (aparet

> from this last week when he has had a terrible cold and EVERYTHING IS LOUD)

but

> apprently it is disturbing the other kids.

>

> If asked to be quiet, he is, but then he just can't stop himself and starts

> again. Mostly it is a commentary on what he is

> doing " I will cut this bit here and then I am going to find a shiny bit. Yes,

I

> think this one is just right. Oh if only I could find a

> blue one. Here it is " etc etc. Apparently none of the other kids does this

> (which I was surprised at, as this is what we were

> told hearing kids did). And here is my confession. We were told when was

> diagnosed at 3 months that the BIG

> difference between deaf and hearing kids was that hearing kids talk when they

> play and deaf kids don't. So this was what

> we worked on with all the time. And so he talks when he plays. All the

> time. And now, poor kid, he is being told to play

> silently.

>

> So here is my question. Is this a normal thing for kids to do, or is

> talking too much! And if this was a problem for your

> kids, how did you solve it. I am really concerned about telling him not to

talk.

> I don't want to discourage the wonderful flow

> of curious " why " questions and commentary. But I do recognise that there are

> times when he has to be quiet.

>

> Interestingly, when we go to synagogue on Saturdays, we always tell " no

> talking inside the synaguge because people

> are taking to G-d " or we ask him to use his " quiet voice " . And he as no

problem

> at all with this. Sometimes he forgets and

> comments out loud, but he is just reminded to be silent and he is. But how

will

> he know when it is quiet time in school and

> when it is talking time.

>

> So, I have rambled as usual. Seems like I have the same problem as !

>

> Any suggestions really welcome.

>

> Felicity

>

> Mom to (3.5 severe/profound SNHL, Phonak Superos) and Ben (almost 2,

> hearing but not listening or complying)

>

>

>

> All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post is

the

> intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to copyright

> restrictions.

>

[Guest guest]

My gosh! He's only 3-1/2! He's enjoying listening to his own voice and the

fact that he can hear it! Plus if he's like the rest of our kids, he's been

pushed and encouraged to talk and talk and talk and to do it properly. Further,

some kids use talking to organize. I'd be tickled to death that he has the

language. I can't believe that other kids are not doing this at that age! It

could also be an attention getting or self calming mechanism if he's not feeling

particularly included in the group. If this is a very formal environment, it

may just not be a good fit.

-------------- Original message --------------

From: frtoube@...

> I never thought I would have to worry about this little problem, but here

goes!

>

> We just had 's 6 month review at school. He is 3 and a half, and we were

> looking to see what services etc need to be in

> place before he goes to Big School (!) at 4pm. Mostly it was very positive but

> one of the things his class teacher said was

> that he talks and sings all the time. Yeah, I know. Like this is a problem! I

> mean we all want our kids to talk and sing all the

> time. But apparently he does it in school all the time. Like he is doing a

> picture and cuts a piece of straw and it shoots off. So

> he says " pop " and laughs. And then sings " pop goes the weasel " several times.

He

> desn't do this particularly loudly (aparet

> from this last week when he has had a terrible cold and EVERYTHING IS LOUD)

but

> apprently it is disturbing the other kids.

>

> If asked to be quiet, he is, but then he just can't stop himself and starts

> again. Mostly it is a commentary on what he is

> doing " I will cut this bit here and then I am going to find a shiny bit. Yes,

I

> think this one is just right. Oh if only I could find a

> blue one. Here it is " etc etc. Apparently none of the other kids does this

> (which I was surprised at, as this is what we were

> told hearing kids did). And here is my confession. We were told when was

> diagnosed at 3 months that the BIG

> difference between deaf and hearing kids was that hearing kids talk when they

> play and deaf kids don't. So this was what

> we worked on with all the time. And so he talks when he plays. All the

> time. And now, poor kid, he is being told to play

> silently.

>

> So here is my question. Is this a normal thing for kids to do, or is

> talking too much! And if this was a problem for your

> kids, how did you solve it. I am really concerned about telling him not to

talk.

> I don't want to discourage the wonderful flow

> of curious " why " questions and commentary. But I do recognise that there are

> times when he has to be quiet.

>

> Interestingly, when we go to synagogue on Saturdays, we always tell " no

> talking inside the synaguge because people

> are taking to G-d " or we ask him to use his " quiet voice " . And he as no

problem

> at all with this. Sometimes he forgets and

> comments out loud, but he is just reminded to be silent and he is. But how

will

> he know when it is quiet time in school and

> when it is talking time.

>

> So, I have rambled as usual. Seems like I have the same problem as !

>

> Any suggestions really welcome.

>

> Felicity

>

> Mom to (3.5 severe/profound SNHL, Phonak Superos) and Ben (almost 2,

> hearing but not listening or complying)

>

>

>

> All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post is

the

> intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to copyright

> restrictions.

>

[Guest guest]

My gosh! He's only 3-1/2! He's enjoying listening to his own voice and the

fact that he can hear it! Plus if he's like the rest of our kids, he's been

pushed and encouraged to talk and talk and talk and to do it properly. Further,

some kids use talking to organize. I'd be tickled to death that he has the

language. I can't believe that other kids are not doing this at that age! It

could also be an attention getting or self calming mechanism if he's not feeling

particularly included in the group. If this is a very formal environment, it

may just not be a good fit.

-------------- Original message --------------

From: frtoube@...

> I never thought I would have to worry about this little problem, but here

goes!

>

> We just had 's 6 month review at school. He is 3 and a half, and we were

> looking to see what services etc need to be in

> place before he goes to Big School (!) at 4pm. Mostly it was very positive but

> one of the things his class teacher said was

> that he talks and sings all the time. Yeah, I know. Like this is a problem! I

> mean we all want our kids to talk and sing all the

> time. But apparently he does it in school all the time. Like he is doing a

> picture and cuts a piece of straw and it shoots off. So

> he says " pop " and laughs. And then sings " pop goes the weasel " several times.

He

> desn't do this particularly loudly (aparet

> from this last week when he has had a terrible cold and EVERYTHING IS LOUD)

but

> apprently it is disturbing the other kids.

>

> If asked to be quiet, he is, but then he just can't stop himself and starts

> again. Mostly it is a commentary on what he is

> doing " I will cut this bit here and then I am going to find a shiny bit. Yes,

I

> think this one is just right. Oh if only I could find a

> blue one. Here it is " etc etc. Apparently none of the other kids does this

> (which I was surprised at, as this is what we were

> told hearing kids did). And here is my confession. We were told when was

> diagnosed at 3 months that the BIG

> difference between deaf and hearing kids was that hearing kids talk when they

> play and deaf kids don't. So this was what

> we worked on with all the time. And so he talks when he plays. All the

> time. And now, poor kid, he is being told to play

> silently.

>

> So here is my question. Is this a normal thing for kids to do, or is

> talking too much! And if this was a problem for your

> kids, how did you solve it. I am really concerned about telling him not to

talk.

> I don't want to discourage the wonderful flow

> of curious " why " questions and commentary. But I do recognise that there are

> times when he has to be quiet.

>

> Interestingly, when we go to synagogue on Saturdays, we always tell " no

> talking inside the synaguge because people

> are taking to G-d " or we ask him to use his " quiet voice " . And he as no

problem

> at all with this. Sometimes he forgets and

> comments out loud, but he is just reminded to be silent and he is. But how

will

> he know when it is quiet time in school and

> when it is talking time.

>

> So, I have rambled as usual. Seems like I have the same problem as !

>

> Any suggestions really welcome.

>

> Felicity

>

> Mom to (3.5 severe/profound SNHL, Phonak Superos) and Ben (almost 2,

> hearing but not listening or complying)

>

>

>

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the

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> restrictions.

>

[Guest guest]

My younger son once had a non-stop running dialogue from Kanab, Utah to

Flagstaff, AZ (4 hours) before succumbing to exhaustion after midnight.

That was one loooonnnnnggg trip.

I wouldn't be that concerned about talking during playtime, especially if he

exercises age appropriate control when necessary.

[Guest guest]

My younger son once had a non-stop running dialogue from Kanab, Utah to

Flagstaff, AZ (4 hours) before succumbing to exhaustion after midnight.

That was one loooonnnnnggg trip.

I wouldn't be that concerned about talking during playtime, especially if he

exercises age appropriate control when necessary.

[Guest guest]

Our guy used to sing all of the time, esp in the bathroom, and at the top of his

lungs because he couldn't hear himself well. This wasn't too bad, until first

grade when the bathroom was in the back of the classroom. Never did get him to

stop until we started him drumming instead. Now, he drums the entire

time...everywhere and anywhere.

-------------- Original message --------------

> << have a big problem with this with hannah too. She talks non-stop and about

> absolutely everything. IT doesn't even matter if you are listening to her, she

> just holds your end of the conversation too (or " whomever " she is speaking too

-

> she tends to have lots of imaginary friends - normal but kinda creepy). We

were

> told that although she listens in school that they constantly have to tell her

> to stop speaking. She tends to speak the most when her hearing aids aren't

> working or if they are out - especially at nap time. That is just what I have

> noticed about her. >>

>

> Count Neal in the group of kids who can't stop talking too. Neal plays with

his

> cars and narrates the whole thing. He tells very elaborate stories while

> playing. Today he was playing and I heard him begin with, " One day the teal

> Mercedes... " LOL. I figure it's because of how we taught him to talk and how

we

> narrated to him to get him verbal. It can be a problem in school. For Neal, he

> has a behavior chart and one of the sections is for inappropriate language,

> which includes talking too loudly or out of turn, etc. This constant

monitoring

> of it in school has made him more aware of it. He's 6 though. At 3 or 4 it's

> hard to believe that the other kids are quiet enough to even notice. I

wouldn't

> be too worried about it if I were you. I would explain to him though that

there

> are rules at school about talking and noises and he needs to follow the same

> rules as all of the kids.

>

> Rhonda Savage

> Mom to Audrey, 8, hearing; and Neal, 6, CII at 2.9 years

> " Hard does not mean impossible. "

>

>

[Guest guest]

Our guy used to sing all of the time, esp in the bathroom, and at the top of his

lungs because he couldn't hear himself well. This wasn't too bad, until first

grade when the bathroom was in the back of the classroom. Never did get him to

stop until we started him drumming instead. Now, he drums the entire

time...everywhere and anywhere.

-------------- Original message --------------

> << have a big problem with this with hannah too. She talks non-stop and about

> absolutely everything. IT doesn't even matter if you are listening to her, she

> just holds your end of the conversation too (or " whomever " she is speaking too

-

> she tends to have lots of imaginary friends - normal but kinda creepy). We

were

> told that although she listens in school that they constantly have to tell her

> to stop speaking. She tends to speak the most when her hearing aids aren't

> working or if they are out - especially at nap time. That is just what I have

> noticed about her. >>

>

> Count Neal in the group of kids who can't stop talking too. Neal plays with

his

> cars and narrates the whole thing. He tells very elaborate stories while

> playing. Today he was playing and I heard him begin with, " One day the teal

> Mercedes... " LOL. I figure it's because of how we taught him to talk and how

we

> narrated to him to get him verbal. It can be a problem in school. For Neal, he

> has a behavior chart and one of the sections is for inappropriate language,

> which includes talking too loudly or out of turn, etc. This constant

monitoring

> of it in school has made him more aware of it. He's 6 though. At 3 or 4 it's

> hard to believe that the other kids are quiet enough to even notice. I

wouldn't

> be too worried about it if I were you. I would explain to him though that

there

> are rules at school about talking and noises and he needs to follow the same

> rules as all of the kids.

>

> Rhonda Savage

> Mom to Audrey, 8, hearing; and Neal, 6, CII at 2.9 years

> " Hard does not mean impossible. "

>

>

[Guest guest]

I totally agree! I have had similar battles for years with my guy. In

elementary school they already expected him to remember to put names on all

papers, turn all homework in, etc. Then in middle school they piled on even

more independence. From elementary school on, he'd get zeros in classwork and

homework for forgetting to turn them in...even when he did them. ADHD? So he

was nearly flunking. Funny. He got to high school and NOW the teachers are

reminding the kids to turn in their homework, put their names on their papers,

etc., like it's normal to do so! Funny, it's appropriate to help kids this old,

but not the little guys. I have dealt with so many idiots it's insane! And,

these are the people who allegedly have had child development classes!

-------------- Original message --------------

From: pcknott@...

> >Felicity,

> >What you described seems " normal " to me. is expressing himself and some

> kids just talk more than others. It may be his personality. >

>

> We've had lots of posts back and forth on this topic. I think there is

> something here that has caused many of us to respond. Something that bugs us.

> It just occurred to me that we are talking about a 3 year old. A baby. Or just

> barely past a baby. OK, to me, three is still a toddler. And a deaf

> child/toddler at that! Why does this teacher expect a three year old to toe

the

> line and be quietly independently working?? That doesn't seem developmentally

> appropriate in my mind. (I have known a few 3 year olds who could work quietly

> and independently, but both of them knew how to read at age 3, and I think

they

> are way outside the norm!) Especially for a child that you are working very

> diligently with to get the language pumped into him and hear the speech come

out

> of him. If this teacher had any clue of what it takes for a deaf toddler to be

> able to amuse himself by speaking and singing what sounds to me like age

> appropriate language, she would be smiling to herself every time he did this.

> It's almost like having a prodigy in piano or violin! Something to celebrate

> rather than squelch. in GA

>

>

>

>

>

>

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the

> intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to copyright

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>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/23/2006 7:26:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

semesky@... writes:

Now, he drums the entire time...everywhere and anywhere.

I think that's a male trait. My husband also does this when he's thinking.

Often the drum solo from Wipeout ... I think that's the title of the song. Now

my son does the same rhythm and I don't think he's ever heard that song!

Definitely something in the chromosomes.

Jill

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/23/2006 7:26:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

semesky@... writes:

He got to high school and NOW the teachers are reminding the kids to turn in

their homework, put their names on their papers, etc., like it's normal to

do so! Funny, it's appropriate to help kids this old, but not the little

guys. I have dealt with so many idiots it's insane! And, these are the people

who allegedly have had child development classes!

Actually it's not to baby them or teach a new skill, it's because in high

school the teachers daily come away with dozens of papers with no names on them.

It's amazing how many kids just don't do it, or just put their first name on

the paper, and nothing else.

My husband doesn't remind the kids anymore -- he tired of reminding them

ages ago. Now he simply puts them in a box labeled " anonymous. " When the

grades

come out and are lower than they expected because they got get no credit for

their work, they're welcome to see if they've donated it to the anonymous

collection. They don't get any credit for the work found there -- after all, it

never was turned in properly. And finding missing work doesn't improve their

grades. But here in NY, in science classes, if you don't do your labs

(there's a minimum of 100 lab hours) then you're not eligible to take the

Regents,

the state's final exam. So the kids are encouraged to find/do their labs in

order to have any hope of passing the course.

Believe it or not, our kids are not the norm. We stay on them to turn in

their work, to get themselves organized, to master school related skills. Most

kids don't have that kind of parental support. I always think we're just a

normal family in very way, but we're not. And my guess is that most people on

this list aren't either. We work harder and are more focused on our kids'

needs.

Our Ian's TOD has developed a charting system for him to use when studying

using graphic organizers, a way to organize his notes to suit his learning

style. Taking the notes and putting them into the charts is a review in itself,

and then the notes are more accessible when he's studying. The kid has study

skills appropriate for a college kid, not your usual high school sophomore.

As we were studying for his science mid-term, I found notes from his science

teacher asking if Ian would teach him the system. The teacher was impressed by

the clarity and accessibility of the information and would like to teach it

as a strategy to his classes.

Going back to the root of this email thread ... I think a chattering child

is completely age appropriate at 3. Nursery school and kindergarten are when

these kids are learning the rules of social interaction and manners in a large

group. There's a reason that kindergarten teachers seem to dislike little

boys -- they're usually more physical than the girls and are told reprimanded

more often, told to get back in line, wait their turn, and follow the rules.

All perfectly age appropriate ... they're just learning the ropes.

As for names on the papers ... from what I can tell, they have this skill

when they leave elementary school and somehow lose it during middle school.

Best -- Jill

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/24/2006 5:17:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

frtoube@... writes:

So, they expect him to pick up clues from the fact that the other kids

aren't talking when he probably hasn't even noticed!

Many D/HOH kids have trouble picking up social clues that we think are

so-o-o-o-o obvious to everyone.

I think this is because they're focused in on the individual speaker and

that person's body language. It's hard to focus in to listen using see/hear

skills and also observe the social dynamics of the group at the same time. Ian

had trouble with this. Not the talking, but other odd little social issues. All

it took was explaining things to him, then he'd notice and comply. We

thought it was odd, until we watched him in the large social settings and

realized

he was always focused on one person at a time, not watching the group.

He'd watch the group when choosing where to join, or looking for a friend to

play with. But once he was in the midst of a group, he was again focused in

on one person at a time.

It's like casual listening. My hearing daughter and us hearing parents pick

up on the conversations happening all around us, even if we're not actively

listening to them. Our kids can't do that. Social skills are often like that

.... they're happening outside the child's focal area. So they need help to

learn them.

Anyway -- that's my 2-cents.

Jill

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/24/2006 5:17:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

frtoube@... writes:

So, they expect him to pick up clues from the fact that the other kids

aren't talking when he probably hasn't even noticed!

Many D/HOH kids have trouble picking up social clues that we think are

so-o-o-o-o obvious to everyone.

I think this is because they're focused in on the individual speaker and

that person's body language. It's hard to focus in to listen using see/hear

skills and also observe the social dynamics of the group at the same time. Ian

had trouble with this. Not the talking, but other odd little social issues. All

it took was explaining things to him, then he'd notice and comply. We

thought it was odd, until we watched him in the large social settings and

realized

he was always focused on one person at a time, not watching the group.

He'd watch the group when choosing where to join, or looking for a friend to

play with. But once he was in the midst of a group, he was again focused in

on one person at a time.

It's like casual listening. My hearing daughter and us hearing parents pick

up on the conversations happening all around us, even if we're not actively

listening to them. Our kids can't do that. Social skills are often like that

.... they're happening outside the child's focal area. So they need help to

learn them.

Anyway -- that's my 2-cents.

Jill

[Guest guest]

As for names on the papers ... from what I can tell, they have this skill

when they leave elementary school and somehow lose it during middle school.

Best -- Jill

I think they all get together and put lots of " sensible " things (like putting

their names on papers) in the big anonymous box in front of all middle schools!

Sometime in high school (hopefully) they get out the " sensible " stuff and use it

again. I say this because Maggie had detention yesterday for not having her

rough draft to turn in Friday in her English class. She did it but left it at

home. Then she called at 8:30 this morning to ask me to bring her clothes and

tennis racket so she could try out for the tennis team. I asked where her

racket was ... " I don't know... " I couldn't find it either.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/24/2006 12:47:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

pcknott@... writes:

I think they all get together and put lots of " sensible " things (like

putting their names on papers) in the big anonymous box in front of all middle

schools! Sometime in high school (hopefully) they get out the " sensible " stuff

and use it again. I say this because Maggie had detention yesterday for not

having her rough draft to turn in Friday in her English class. She did it

but left it at home. Then she called at 8:30 this morning to ask me to bring

her clothes and tennis racket so she could try out for the tennis team. I

asked where her racket was ... " I don't know... " I couldn't find it either.

Hmmm ... I think our may be related to your Maggie. She worked for 2

weeks on an extra credit project -- a big poster presentation. We carefully

rolled it and put it into a special carrier I have for carrying large rolled

paper/posters (I'm an artist) and set it right on the kitchen table. It takes up

the entire kitchen table and is bright blue and yellow .. hard to miss, and

yet my brilliant tween daughter walked out without it. In fact, she didn't

even remember it until the end of the day -- when she had science class.

I decided this would be a good time for me to say " enough " about driving

things to school for her. Her teacher actually took pity on her and let her turn

it in the next day for full credit.

At some point, her brain does start to function again, yes?

Best -- Jill

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/24/2006 12:47:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

pcknott@... writes:

I think they all get together and put lots of " sensible " things (like

putting their names on papers) in the big anonymous box in front of all middle

schools! Sometime in high school (hopefully) they get out the " sensible " stuff

and use it again. I say this because Maggie had detention yesterday for not

having her rough draft to turn in Friday in her English class. She did it

but left it at home. Then she called at 8:30 this morning to ask me to bring

her clothes and tennis racket so she could try out for the tennis team. I

asked where her racket was ... " I don't know... " I couldn't find it either.

Hmmm ... I think our may be related to your Maggie. She worked for 2

weeks on an extra credit project -- a big poster presentation. We carefully

rolled it and put it into a special carrier I have for carrying large rolled

paper/posters (I'm an artist) and set it right on the kitchen table. It takes up

the entire kitchen table and is bright blue and yellow .. hard to miss, and

yet my brilliant tween daughter walked out without it. In fact, she didn't

even remember it until the end of the day -- when she had science class.

I decided this would be a good time for me to say " enough " about driving

things to school for her. Her teacher actually took pity on her and let her turn

it in the next day for full credit.

At some point, her brain does start to function again, yes?

Best -- Jill

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/24/2006 12:47:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

pcknott@... writes:

I think they all get together and put lots of " sensible " things (like

putting their names on papers) in the big anonymous box in front of all middle

schools! Sometime in high school (hopefully) they get out the " sensible " stuff

and use it again. I say this because Maggie had detention yesterday for not

having her rough draft to turn in Friday in her English class. She did it

but left it at home. Then she called at 8:30 this morning to ask me to bring

her clothes and tennis racket so she could try out for the tennis team. I

asked where her racket was ... " I don't know... " I couldn't find it either.

Hmmm ... I think our may be related to your Maggie. She worked for 2

weeks on an extra credit project -- a big poster presentation. We carefully

rolled it and put it into a special carrier I have for carrying large rolled

paper/posters (I'm an artist) and set it right on the kitchen table. It takes up

the entire kitchen table and is bright blue and yellow .. hard to miss, and

yet my brilliant tween daughter walked out without it. In fact, she didn't

even remember it until the end of the day -- when she had science class.

I decided this would be a good time for me to say " enough " about driving

things to school for her. Her teacher actually took pity on her and let her turn

it in the next day for full credit.

At some point, her brain does start to function again, yes?

Best -- Jill

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/24/2006 5:00:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

pcknott@... writes:

Maggie is much more sensible than the other two were in general but she

would forget her head if it weren't attached.

We joke that it's actually a genetic predisposition. I married the

absent-minded professor. He use to put his credit cards into books as bookmarks

and

then forget which book he'd been reading, and which shelf he put it on. (sigh)

Can't tell you how many times I had to replace those cards over the years.

Finally I took them all away and put them in a little box on top of the

microwave, so he could intentionally take them out when he was going shopping.

He's

now only allowed to carry the ATM card -- and he's left THAT in the bank

often enough that they just call me the next morning to pick it up. (shaking

her head) Have I mentioned that he's really very smart and I do adore him?

So, my daughter come by this trait honestly. It's just that she used to have

a functioning brain ... she used to be able to find her own belongings ...

used to remember where she put things. Now I'm the only one in the house who

has a clue ... we're doomed. LOL

best -- Jill

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/24/2006 5:00:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

pcknott@... writes:

Maggie is much more sensible than the other two were in general but she

would forget her head if it weren't attached.

We joke that it's actually a genetic predisposition. I married the

absent-minded professor. He use to put his credit cards into books as bookmarks

and

then forget which book he'd been reading, and which shelf he put it on. (sigh)

Can't tell you how many times I had to replace those cards over the years.

Finally I took them all away and put them in a little box on top of the

microwave, so he could intentionally take them out when he was going shopping.

He's

now only allowed to carry the ATM card -- and he's left THAT in the bank

often enough that they just call me the next morning to pick it up. (shaking

her head) Have I mentioned that he's really very smart and I do adore him?

So, my daughter come by this trait honestly. It's just that she used to have

a functioning brain ... she used to be able to find her own belongings ...

used to remember where she put things. Now I'm the only one in the house who

has a clue ... we're doomed. LOL

best -- Jill