Re: Re: Update on headaches, etc.... - Lana

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Thanks, Mike, I will talk with my husband about your recommendations, as he

is really pissed with me right now for going to the Chiropractor. I'll let

you know!

Love Lana

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Mike, I will talk with my husband about your recommendations, as he

is really pissed with me right now for going to the Chiropractor. I'll let

you know!

Love Lana

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Mike, I will talk with my husband about your recommendations, as he

is really pissed with me right now for going to the Chiropractor. I'll let

you know!

Love Lana

[Guest guest]

From: mikeuggen

Do you have an actual leg length differential as in one leg is measurably

shorter than the other - the actual leg itself? Or is it because of muscle

chronic muscle contracture pulling one hip

higher and rotating it?

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Mike-

Thanks for writing your opinions on Chiropractors-I've had no experience, but

would not go to one myself. Out of fear I'd get hurt.

Since dad gave his chiropractor an article on EDS, there's been absolutely no

manipulative treatment, & it's only for as long as dad thinks it's necessary.

And dad is much better for it.

He may not do this for others-but dad is not having any problem there.

As far as leg length difference--my right leg is actually longer than the left

by 3/4 " . So the left is the one that's had the 6+ surgeries on it. The genetic

doctor is the one that measured it.

Good point you made on that. I'd never thought about there being any other

cause.

CindyH

Wisc.

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From: mikeuggen

Do you have an actual leg length differential as in one leg is measurably

shorter than the other - the actual leg itself? Or is it because of muscle

chronic muscle contracture pulling one hip

higher and rotating it?

~~~~~~

Mike-

Thanks for writing your opinions on Chiropractors-I've had no experience, but

would not go to one myself. Out of fear I'd get hurt.

Since dad gave his chiropractor an article on EDS, there's been absolutely no

manipulative treatment, & it's only for as long as dad thinks it's necessary.

And dad is much better for it.

He may not do this for others-but dad is not having any problem there.

As far as leg length difference--my right leg is actually longer than the left

by 3/4 " . So the left is the one that's had the 6+ surgeries on it. The genetic

doctor is the one that measured it.

Good point you made on that. I'd never thought about there being any other

cause.

CindyH

Wisc.

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mikeuggen [mike@...]

Several questions come immediately to mind. The first involves your

disk degeneration. Do you have an erosion of the disk capsule? A

thinning of it? Is it relatively uniform on all sides or is it

predominately on one side such that it bulges on the other? Are any

of your vertebrae subluxing? Why is one hip higher than the other?

Do you have an actual leg length differential as in one leg is

measureably shorter than the other - the actual leg itself? Or is

it because of muscle chronic muscle contracture pulling one hip

higher and rotating it? What did he recommend for the spinal

inflammation? A bunch of NSAIDS on top of all the other meds you

are already taking?

Hi Mike,

Yes, there is a thinning of the space between the vertebrae. I believe it's

on one side, but I don't THINK it bulges on the other side - I'm not sure.

It's making the vertebrae very close together, or in HIS words, close to

fusing.

As far as subluxing, he didn't say, but I have always suspected they sublux

during the night - I don't know how I can tell.?

As far as one hip being higher, I don't think there is actual leg length

difference. I think it must be because of muscle contracture, as you state.

He didn't advise any medication for the inflammation, just ice.

Is there anything I should tell Betty when I go to see her about what the

chiro said or should I just state my symptoms and let her do her thing????

Love Lana

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mikeuggen [mike@...]

Several questions come immediately to mind. The first involves your

disk degeneration. Do you have an erosion of the disk capsule? A

thinning of it? Is it relatively uniform on all sides or is it

predominately on one side such that it bulges on the other? Are any

of your vertebrae subluxing? Why is one hip higher than the other?

Do you have an actual leg length differential as in one leg is

measureably shorter than the other - the actual leg itself? Or is

it because of muscle chronic muscle contracture pulling one hip

higher and rotating it? What did he recommend for the spinal

inflammation? A bunch of NSAIDS on top of all the other meds you

are already taking?

Hi Mike,

Yes, there is a thinning of the space between the vertebrae. I believe it's

on one side, but I don't THINK it bulges on the other side - I'm not sure.

It's making the vertebrae very close together, or in HIS words, close to

fusing.

As far as subluxing, he didn't say, but I have always suspected they sublux

during the night - I don't know how I can tell.?

As far as one hip being higher, I don't think there is actual leg length

difference. I think it must be because of muscle contracture, as you state.

He didn't advise any medication for the inflammation, just ice.

Is there anything I should tell Betty when I go to see her about what the

chiro said or should I just state my symptoms and let her do her thing????

Love Lana

[Guest guest]

> As far as leg length difference--my right leg is actually longer than the

left by 3/4 " .

> So the left is the one that's had the 6+ surgeries on it. The genetic

doctor is the

> one that measured it. Good point you made on that. I'd never thought about

there

> being any other cause.

My legs were diagnosed by the Chiropractor as being different lengths, so he

prescribed orthotic insoles. He never measured the bones though. Turns

out, my legs were fine, I had fascial restrictions pulling my out of whack.

The left hip was supposedly fused because it just didn't move when I walked,

but once the restrictions were gone, my hip started moving again. When I

pay attention, I can feel the difference in walking. I stride-stride

instead of stride-swing.

Also, as a result of all this, my right shoulder was lower than the left.

That leveled out with treatment also. Now, it has reverted back and needs

more work and I am trying to squeeze that in between final exams, work,

vacation, and other stuff. I had put it off for a few weeks while Dad was

struggling with his ribs.

-Barb

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mikeuggen [mike@...] wrote

Thinning of the SPACE between the vertebrae can be caused either

by an actual erosion of the disk capsule (it is a fibrous shell with

a gelatinous interior, shaped like a donut with the spinal cord and

nerves traveling through the hole). Degenerative Disk Disease

involves an erosion of the actual capsule. Thinning of the space can

also be caused by a compression of the disk by the vertebrae.

Vertebral compression can be caused either by the vertebrae

subluxing or spinal deformity from such things as scoliosis,

lordosis or kyphosis. Subluxing is frequently caused by muscle

attachments pulling a vertebrae out of position. In either case,

fusion occurs when two adjacent vertebrae " grow together. "

Specific treatment depends on the cause of the " thinning. "

Mike, via xray done by my doctor several years, ago, he did diagnose

degenerative cervical disk disease. I will tell Betty that, as well as what

the chiro said and what my MD and Psysiatrist said when she examined me.

Both of them see my back xray as being normal. Dexa scan shows

osteoporosis.

mikeuggen [mike@...] wrote

Subluxing during the night? Do you wake up with a feeling that

it is catching, with sharp, stabby pains? And it then loosens up

after you get up and start moving around?

Well, I wake up with a feeling that there is a catch on the right side. It

may or may not loosen up, as I sit all day at the computer at work.

Please let me know if there is anything else I should inform her of. Oh,

and also, my husband DID agree with doing Cranio-Sacral Therapy and

Myofascial Release. Here is what he says:

Lanny

Not only am I OK with Cranio-Sacral Therapy and Myofascial Release, but feel

that they would be very beneficial. They both appear to be a meticulous

massage therapy for refined areas, but they also are specific for patients

with soft tissue problems. I feel that they would make you feel better.

I do have one question, though. Please bear with it. What does Dr. Dunning

feel your back problem is? I feel that Cranio-Sacral Therapy and Myofascial

Release will help with the problem, but I'm not sure that it is the ultimate

solution. I'm really looking to see if he is looking towards the ultimate

solution. I really am concerned and interested.

Thanks Mike, for all your help!

Love Lana

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mikeuggen [mike@...] wrote

Thinning of the SPACE between the vertebrae can be caused either

by an actual erosion of the disk capsule (it is a fibrous shell with

a gelatinous interior, shaped like a donut with the spinal cord and

nerves traveling through the hole). Degenerative Disk Disease

involves an erosion of the actual capsule. Thinning of the space can

also be caused by a compression of the disk by the vertebrae.

Vertebral compression can be caused either by the vertebrae

subluxing or spinal deformity from such things as scoliosis,

lordosis or kyphosis. Subluxing is frequently caused by muscle

attachments pulling a vertebrae out of position. In either case,

fusion occurs when two adjacent vertebrae " grow together. "

Specific treatment depends on the cause of the " thinning. "

Mike, via xray done by my doctor several years, ago, he did diagnose

degenerative cervical disk disease. I will tell Betty that, as well as what

the chiro said and what my MD and Psysiatrist said when she examined me.

Both of them see my back xray as being normal. Dexa scan shows

osteoporosis.

mikeuggen [mike@...] wrote

Subluxing during the night? Do you wake up with a feeling that

it is catching, with sharp, stabby pains? And it then loosens up

after you get up and start moving around?

Well, I wake up with a feeling that there is a catch on the right side. It

may or may not loosen up, as I sit all day at the computer at work.

Please let me know if there is anything else I should inform her of. Oh,

and also, my husband DID agree with doing Cranio-Sacral Therapy and

Myofascial Release. Here is what he says:

Lanny

Not only am I OK with Cranio-Sacral Therapy and Myofascial Release, but feel

that they would be very beneficial. They both appear to be a meticulous

massage therapy for refined areas, but they also are specific for patients

with soft tissue problems. I feel that they would make you feel better.

I do have one question, though. Please bear with it. What does Dr. Dunning

feel your back problem is? I feel that Cranio-Sacral Therapy and Myofascial

Release will help with the problem, but I'm not sure that it is the ultimate

solution. I'm really looking to see if he is looking towards the ultimate

solution. I really am concerned and interested.

Thanks Mike, for all your help!

Love Lana

[Guest guest]

mikeuggen [mike@...] wrote

Thinning of the SPACE between the vertebrae can be caused either

by an actual erosion of the disk capsule (it is a fibrous shell with

a gelatinous interior, shaped like a donut with the spinal cord and

nerves traveling through the hole). Degenerative Disk Disease

involves an erosion of the actual capsule. Thinning of the space can

also be caused by a compression of the disk by the vertebrae.

Vertebral compression can be caused either by the vertebrae

subluxing or spinal deformity from such things as scoliosis,

lordosis or kyphosis. Subluxing is frequently caused by muscle

attachments pulling a vertebrae out of position. In either case,

fusion occurs when two adjacent vertebrae " grow together. "

Specific treatment depends on the cause of the " thinning. "

Mike, via xray done by my doctor several years, ago, he did diagnose

degenerative cervical disk disease. I will tell Betty that, as well as what

the chiro said and what my MD and Psysiatrist said when she examined me.

Both of them see my back xray as being normal. Dexa scan shows

osteoporosis.

mikeuggen [mike@...] wrote

Subluxing during the night? Do you wake up with a feeling that

it is catching, with sharp, stabby pains? And it then loosens up

after you get up and start moving around?

Well, I wake up with a feeling that there is a catch on the right side. It

may or may not loosen up, as I sit all day at the computer at work.

Please let me know if there is anything else I should inform her of. Oh,

and also, my husband DID agree with doing Cranio-Sacral Therapy and

Myofascial Release. Here is what he says:

Lanny

Not only am I OK with Cranio-Sacral Therapy and Myofascial Release, but feel

that they would be very beneficial. They both appear to be a meticulous

massage therapy for refined areas, but they also are specific for patients

with soft tissue problems. I feel that they would make you feel better.

I do have one question, though. Please bear with it. What does Dr. Dunning

feel your back problem is? I feel that Cranio-Sacral Therapy and Myofascial

Release will help with the problem, but I'm not sure that it is the ultimate

solution. I'm really looking to see if he is looking towards the ultimate

solution. I really am concerned and interested.

Thanks Mike, for all your help!

Love Lana

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Thanks, Barb, all the input really helps me. I'm sure now, that I'll be

doing the better thing by going to the LMT.

Love Lana

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Barb, all the input really helps me. I'm sure now, that I'll be

doing the better thing by going to the LMT.

Love Lana

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Barb, all the input really helps me. I'm sure now, that I'll be

doing the better thing by going to the LMT.

Love Lana

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He never measured the bones though.

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Yep! And that is how I know for sure that my leg is shorter. The test//scan

that I was referring to earlier this morning.. measures to the mm how long

the BONES are.

Debbi

PS I have not read thru the posts so sorry if this has been mentioned