Guest guest Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 I've been reading all your posts with great interest. I've heard of " non-Western " techniques like accupressure and accupuncture before, and even Reike (spelling?), but prior to joining this group, I've never heard of Polarity Therapy, Craniosacral Therapy or Myofascial Release Therapy (did I miss any?). Could you please do a brief-ish rundown of what each of these techniques are and what types of problems they work best for. ------------------ I would be delighted. As for being a major undertaking, I think that's what I have been on for the last 4-5 months. Don't feel bad about not being familiar with most of the modalities I talk about. The rest of the list was in the same boat until I jumped in the pool and started splashing around. Truth of the matter is that I didn't know anything about them either until I got into the massage program three years ago. I can't remember when you joined the list but it might be worth your time to prowl around the previous posts starting last November and just look for some of the various subjects. I have posted quite a few things on various alternative treatments for different conditions, such as Thoracic Outlet Syndrome, TMJ, Carpal Tunnel, etc. I will eventually get around to doing it myself and will collect some of them in the files section – but that IS a major undertaking. Did you miss any? What you mentioned is that 10 percent of the ice- berg that is above water. I try to limit my posts and comments to those modalities in which I have at the very least had specific training at the introductory level. There are many, many more that I only know about but have not had training in. I sometimes post in reply to a question on those but try to focus on the ones that I know how to do and use myself. One way to group the alternative approaches is to categorize them as Western, Eastern or a Combination of the two. Another term you will hear used is either Energy Medicine or Vibratory Medicine. In addition, Eastern modalities can be broken into two main sub- categories depending on their origin – Traditional Chinese or Ayurvedic (Indian). There are many other sub-categories. Throughout all of the above, however, there is one primary distinction: does the modality recognize and work with the body's energetic systems? A couple of weeks ago, I had two long posts concerning the " psychic connection. " I went into extensive detail in those regarding the energetic systems and some of the underlying science on why these modalities work. If you joined the group after those posts, it might be worth your time to pull them up. It will give you a better grasp on where I am coming from with a lot of this. It might also scare the hell out of you. But as Popeye the Sailor used to say " You pays your money and you takes your chances. " Or did I really just date myself with the Popeye comment? Let's start with one basic premise. Most doctors, and quite a few chiropractors and osteopaths as well, have limited or inadequate training in soft-tissue issues. I am not being negative with this, I am just stating the facts. In addition, the typical doctor approach is to address most problems first with drugs and secondly with surgery. Part of the reason is their training. That is how they were taught. The second reason is financial. You can move more patients through the mill faster if you prescribe meds than if you treat with less invasive but more time consuming means. The exact same rationale applies to chiros and osteos. Thrust adjustments are faster, much faster, than soft-tissue mobilization techniques. How many patients can you see in an hour? How many do you want to see … and bill? More to the point, how many of them really want to give their patients the tools so the patients can treat themselves … and not have to see them at who knows how much per hour? That is my cynicism slipping out. And just a brief bit of anatomy and physiology before discussing actual modalities. You have EDS and already know that it is by definition a genetic defect in the collagen of the body's connective tissue. I think I read on one of the recent posts that there are about 30 specific types of collagen. More importantly for this discussion, there is something called Fascia. The best way to describe it is that that white filmy " stuff " you see between the skin and the meat on a piece of chicken is fascia, or at least one form of fascia. Fascia IS the connective tissue of the body. It is one continuous sheet that literally wraps every muscle, bone, organ and cell in the body. It can be opaque and almost watery over the eyes or like gristle in the low back and every consistency in between. It is what forms your ligaments and tendons. It is also what gives you your structural integrity and allows you to stand upright. Without it, you would literally just collapse in a jumbled pile. From an energetic perspective, there has been some research that indicates that the body's energy channels (acupuncture meridians, etc) are physically embedded in the fascia and that this combination is a critical element in the body's information processing system. From a western, physical perspective, it is important to know that fascia can stick together and get bunched-up much like snagging a thread on a sweater. As an example, with the fascia wrapping every muscle, if the fascia wrapping two adjacent muscles starts to adhere (or stick to each other), you are going to have a dysfunction. The muscles will not be able to function properly. The same is true if it bunches up. Energetically, the result is a blocked energy channel, or stuck energy. So the first modality to discuss is Myofascial Release. The main developer of MFR is a PT named . There are others, but he remains in the forefront. Two key scientific principles that cause MFR to work are called the Thixotropic Effect and the Piezoelectric Effect. Thixotropic refers to a substances ability to change from a solid to a gel state when pressure is applied. Piezoelectric refers to a crystalline structure generating an electrical field when pressure or stretch are applied. The underlying principle of MFR is that sustained pressure with a stretch applied along the axis of restriction will cause the fascial structure to soften and release. The fascia will change from a solid to a gel allowing more freedom of movement. Short duration pressure and stretch can effect a change but the change will not last – the fascia will rebound to its previous restriction. To get long-term change it is essential that the pressure and stretch be maintained for not less than 90 seconds and preferably longer. Another extremely important consideration with MFR is that the cause of dysfunction can be someplace entirely removed from the " symptom. " The absolute best example I can give on this is my own daughter. She had been told by four chiros, four osteos and two PTs for 15 years that she had a fused left hip. She also had markedly pronated feet with extreme lateral rotation and fallen arches. In other words, her toes were pointed outward at 45 degree angles, with the outside edges of her feet pulled upward to the point where her little toes would not touch the floor. Her treatment over 15 years consisted of totally ineffective braces, a wheelchair, and foot and ankle manipulation and stretches. Her problem turned out to be a severe fascial restriction in her low back. Once I released that restriction using MFR (my second term in massage school), her feet shifted back to a normal position, along with movement in the hip. The " fix " has held to this day. Needless to say, I am a BIG fan of MFR work when indicated. Someone trained in MFR can frequently notice restrictions just by the way a person stands or the way their clothes hang on the body. The actual assessment is generally done by very lightly running the hands over the bare skin in all directions. The hands should " glide " across the body. If a restriction is present they won't, they will stick. The greater the restriction, the more the sticking. For really good ones, the hands will just come to a dead stop. Basic MFR can be considered a Western based bodywork modality. Get into it past the basics, however, and it clearly becomes at least a blended modality, if not outright Eastern/Energetic. Without going into more detail on that here, one of the reasons I say this is that I have discovered in the last three months that I can get just as good a fascial release using acupressure as I can using standard MFR techniques. And that tells me that there is definitely an energetic connection. The second one you asked about is Cranialsacral Therapy. We were all taught growing up that by the time we are in our late teens, the cranial bones fuse together such that the skull becomes one solid bone. And this is what is or at least has been taught in U.S. medical schools (I am assuming that is still the case.) That is not what it is taught in medical schools in Europe, nor in osteopathic schools in this country. Cranialsacral Therapy is an offshoot of Cranial Osteopathy. Cranial Osteopathy has been around since early last century. CST was developed (and trademarked) by Dr. Upledger. WThe primary premise is that the cranial bones do NOT fuse together. Very slight movement along the suture lines is possible. More importantly, the bones can become jammed or misaligned along those sutures. And since the skull articulates with the neck, which connects to the spine, which, etc., even slight misalignments of the cranial bones can translate into problems on the far end of the body. By the same token, problems elsewhere can transfer up to the head because of the interconnections. In addition, the cerebral spinal fluid travels up and down the spine from the sacrum and circulates within the cranial cavity. The pumping action caused by the rocking motion of the sphenoid bone (the butterfly shaped bone behind the eyes) is responsible for the pumping action of the thyroid gland and therefore has a direct impact on all of the body's hormonal balances. In addition, the pumping movement of the spinal fluid causes two primary motions in the body. For the paired bones (arms, legs, ribs, etc), there is a rhythmic out and back motion. For the single bones (sternum, spine, etc), there is a rhythmic up and down, head to foot, motion. These motions are extremely subtle but can be detected by a trained practitioner, both physically and energetically. Actual work is very gentle and non-invasive. Generally, the pressure is about the weight of a nickel. In other words, not much. It is very good for addressing subtle misalignments that many times are missed by other modalities. It is also very effective as an assessment tool to find energetic blockages. Like MFR, basic level CST is primarily a Western, manual modalilty. At more advanced levels, it gets even more into energetic elements than MFR. As a point of interest, both MFR as taught by and CST as developed by Upledger in many respects do exactly the same thing and use exactly the same hand positions and techniques. The big difference is that the fasica is the prime focus for , with the cranialsacral system being and add-on. For Upledger, the cranialsacral system is primary with the fascial structure being an add-on. There are too many applications for CST to even begin to list them in this post. My personal view is that it is one very powerful, very effective, and too often overlooked modality. A third modality is Lymphatic Drainage. There are a number of " schools " or methods for doing lymphatic drainage. Most of my training and the method I prefer is called Lymphatic Drainage Therapy. It was developed by a French Osteopath named Bruno Chikly. All of the methods recognized that the movement of the lymph within the body can be stimulated and improved by manual intervention. The main distinction among them as I see it is that LDT recognizes that that movement is in a series of waves that a practitioner can be trained to detect, again, either physically or energetically. As with CST, the work is very gentle and for the most part non-invasive, using pressure equivalent to the weight of a nickel. I say for the most part because there is a small category of it involving lymphatic breast care that is done hands-on and undraped which is certainly more invasive to the recipient than some of the other work. There are a number of things it is used for. It is outstanding for reducing swelling and inflammation by helping flush the system of cellular wastes and toxins. I can quite frankly reduce the swelling in a sprained ankle faster with my hands using LDT than you can with a bucket of ice. It is also very good for things like sinus congestion. And then there is the bit about being effective to soften the appearance of wrinkles and help with scar tissue. As with the other two, I am a big fan of LDT and use it all the time. My wife just loves lymphatic facial work (I did one on her this afternoon for a head cold). There are varying level of skill and training for lymph work. When you get into such things as surgeries and chemotherapy, lymph work can be extremely important. Done pre and post surgery, it allows the surgeon to get a cleaner incision with less tissue damage and risk of infection and speeds the healing. It can become critical when surgical removal or chemical damage is done to lymph nodes, such as in masectomies. The long-term risk in both cases is susceptibility to developing lymphedema which can become life threatening. Lymphatic work in these cases requires a very high level of training and certification. All three modalities at their basic levels are primarily Western based, manual (physical) modalities. All three, however, at their more advanced levels of training are also very much energetically oriented. This includes being able to detect and work with the waves and rhythms off-body energetically. The other modalities you asked about are totally energetic. They AFFECT the physical body, but they do it through the energetic body. In brief, there most definitely is an energetic component to the body. In Chinese and Japanese medicine, work is done through the meridian system of 12 primary meridians and 8 extraordinary meridians. Modalities include acupuncture, acupressure and shiatsu, among others. Acunpuncture uses needles in specific acupoints. Acupressure uses the same points but addresses them using finger pressure. Shiatsu uses the same structure but focuses more on working the entire meridian instead of individual points. I am a HUGE fan of acupressure and have gotten just outstanding results with it since I started doing it close to two years ago. There are many, many types or " schools " of acupressure. My formal training is in Jin Shin Do. There is also a variation called Acutonics which uses special tuning forks at precise frequencies to work the various points with sound vibrations. In addition, Traditional Chinese medicine does something called Moxabustion, which is the burning of special herbs under a glass bowl placed on various acupoints. Acupressure and acupuncture are just the bodywork pieces of Traditional Chinese medicine. Polarity Therapy can be considered the bodywork piece of Ayurvedic (Indian) medicine. It is also an energetic modality but with more physical elements to it than acupressure. And while it does use meridians and points, the primary focus is on the Chakra energy system. The body has seven main Chakras: Pelvic Floor, Sacrum, Solar Plexus, Heart, Throat, Third Eye, and Crown. There are also minor Chakras in the palms, the major joints like the elbow and knees, and at a spot about 18 inches below the feet. Polarity was developed (I believe in the 1920's and 1930's) by a Dr. Randolph Stone. Stone was a Chiropractor, Osteopath and Naturopath who traveled and studied extensively in India. In addition to the energy channels, a key principle of Polarity is that the different parts of the body have positive, negative and neutral electrical charges. As an example, the thumb is neutral, the first finger is negative, the middle finger is positive, the ring finger is negative and the little finger is positive. Front and back, head and foot, right side left side, all have opposite charges. (I can't remember which is which off the top of my head and don't feel like dragging my sorry hind-end across the room to get the book) As with Chinese Medicine, a full study of Polarity involves an understanding of nutrition and other factors. At the basic bodywork level, the premise is that there are energetic imbalances and the various Polarity releases help restore proper balance. But there are other things you can do as well. I find Polarity to be particularly effective for general pain management. It is also what I use when I need to put a rib back in place or adjust a vertebrae. You read that correctly. I routinely do spinal adjustments with Polarity. And it is NOT a thrust adjustment. It is simply proper placement of my fingertips and then simply maintaining a light pressure while the energy does the work. Bones can and will move on their own with energy methods. I have also used them to reduce fully dislocated shoulders and hips. The main technique you will see posts about is called the X technique. I also use it for arthritic joints, including my dog's knees. I probably use Polarity and Acupressure about even-up these days. In many respects, they are so similar in appearance at times that you could not tell by looking which I was doing for a full release pattern. For someone starting out, it is easier to get them going with basic acupressure because you can get good results without actually feeling the energy. It is easy to develop the ability, but you do need to be able to feel it to effectively do Polarity because all of the routines basically say " hold for a balance. " The other modality you mentioned is Reiki. Reiki is pure energy and is many times done not only off-body but from a distance. It also has the most spiritual overtones of the three. It is far more subtle than acupressure or polarity. I have mid to heavy training in all three. I can easily feel energy when doing acupressure or polarity but I can't when I am doing Reiki. Ironically, even though it is the most subtle of the three, it is the one you are most apt to see used in a hospital setting. It seems to have gotten acceptance faster than the others. As far as I am concerned – whatever it takes. Something very similar is called Therapeutic Touch. And this is the one that has received the greatest acceptance because it was developed by a nurse and is now being taught in most if not all nursing schools in the country. It can be done on or off-body and can best be summed up as a modality using directed energy. There are others. Touch for Health (combines Therapeutic Touch and Acupressure elements), Visceral Manipulation, Chi Nei Tsang, Qi Gong., etc. But this is getting lengthy and I have touched on the ones you specifically asked about so will hold the others for a subsequent post. Feel free to hit me with questions at any time, via post or off-list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 > So what do I do to learn how to do MFR for myself (although I love my chiro - she isn't with me 24/7 and that's what I need) I think it is so great that you are here to help us - what a wealth of info you are! -------------- The basic techniques for MFR are fairly straight forward and easy to learn. And there are some decent books out on the subject - some by and some by other authors. Two particularly good ones are " Myofascial Release - A Comprehensive Evaluatory & Treatment Approach " by and " The Myofascial Release Manual " by Carol Manheim. The hardest part of learning it is developing the touch to properly engage the fascia. You are putting pressure down into the fascia while simultaneously applying a horizontal stretch along the axis of restriction. Too much pressure and you go past the fascia into the muscle and don't get the release. You will generally start light, like CST and LDT at about five grams (weight of a nickel). The fascia may subsequently pull you in deeper to much heavier pressure, but you start light. And you hold the stretch for at least 90 seconds. As the fascia releases, you follow it to the next barrier or restriction and hold again. The biggest problem in doing it on yourself is that you typically will have the nasty restrictions in places you can't reach on yourself. You may be super limber with EDS, but I bet your arms aren't long enough to do a good cross-hand stretch across the middle of your own back. And that is one of the other niceties of acupressure because a good acupressure release pattern also does MFR at the same time. As for being a wealth of information, so you know, my personal reference libarary at the house is now over 250 volumes on medical reference and bodywork topics. This includes somewhere around 90 on various energetic modalities, including close to two dozen on just acupuncture and acupressure. No, I have by no means read them all. Many of them were picked up strictly for reference. And if you read my post to Lana about her LMT appointment, you already know that I have about 1300 hours training in this stuff now. I will be close to 1500 by the end of the year and expect to hit close to 2000 before I start slowing down in 2-3 years. If you go to the EDS Today website, you will find a section in it of some specific book recommendations I put together awhile back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 > So what do I do to learn how to do MFR for myself (although I love my chiro - she isn't with me 24/7 and that's what I need) I think it is so great that you are here to help us - what a wealth of info you are! -------------- The basic techniques for MFR are fairly straight forward and easy to learn. And there are some decent books out on the subject - some by and some by other authors. Two particularly good ones are " Myofascial Release - A Comprehensive Evaluatory & Treatment Approach " by and " The Myofascial Release Manual " by Carol Manheim. The hardest part of learning it is developing the touch to properly engage the fascia. You are putting pressure down into the fascia while simultaneously applying a horizontal stretch along the axis of restriction. Too much pressure and you go past the fascia into the muscle and don't get the release. You will generally start light, like CST and LDT at about five grams (weight of a nickel). The fascia may subsequently pull you in deeper to much heavier pressure, but you start light. And you hold the stretch for at least 90 seconds. As the fascia releases, you follow it to the next barrier or restriction and hold again. The biggest problem in doing it on yourself is that you typically will have the nasty restrictions in places you can't reach on yourself. You may be super limber with EDS, but I bet your arms aren't long enough to do a good cross-hand stretch across the middle of your own back. And that is one of the other niceties of acupressure because a good acupressure release pattern also does MFR at the same time. As for being a wealth of information, so you know, my personal reference libarary at the house is now over 250 volumes on medical reference and bodywork topics. This includes somewhere around 90 on various energetic modalities, including close to two dozen on just acupuncture and acupressure. No, I have by no means read them all. Many of them were picked up strictly for reference. And if you read my post to Lana about her LMT appointment, you already know that I have about 1300 hours training in this stuff now. I will be close to 1500 by the end of the year and expect to hit close to 2000 before I start slowing down in 2-3 years. If you go to the EDS Today website, you will find a section in it of some specific book recommendations I put together awhile back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 > So what do I do to learn how to do MFR for myself (although I love my chiro - she isn't with me 24/7 and that's what I need) I think it is so great that you are here to help us - what a wealth of info you are! -------------- The basic techniques for MFR are fairly straight forward and easy to learn. And there are some decent books out on the subject - some by and some by other authors. Two particularly good ones are " Myofascial Release - A Comprehensive Evaluatory & Treatment Approach " by and " The Myofascial Release Manual " by Carol Manheim. The hardest part of learning it is developing the touch to properly engage the fascia. You are putting pressure down into the fascia while simultaneously applying a horizontal stretch along the axis of restriction. Too much pressure and you go past the fascia into the muscle and don't get the release. You will generally start light, like CST and LDT at about five grams (weight of a nickel). The fascia may subsequently pull you in deeper to much heavier pressure, but you start light. And you hold the stretch for at least 90 seconds. As the fascia releases, you follow it to the next barrier or restriction and hold again. The biggest problem in doing it on yourself is that you typically will have the nasty restrictions in places you can't reach on yourself. You may be super limber with EDS, but I bet your arms aren't long enough to do a good cross-hand stretch across the middle of your own back. And that is one of the other niceties of acupressure because a good acupressure release pattern also does MFR at the same time. As for being a wealth of information, so you know, my personal reference libarary at the house is now over 250 volumes on medical reference and bodywork topics. This includes somewhere around 90 on various energetic modalities, including close to two dozen on just acupuncture and acupressure. No, I have by no means read them all. Many of them were picked up strictly for reference. And if you read my post to Lana about her LMT appointment, you already know that I have about 1300 hours training in this stuff now. I will be close to 1500 by the end of the year and expect to hit close to 2000 before I start slowing down in 2-3 years. If you go to the EDS Today website, you will find a section in it of some specific book recommendations I put together awhile back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 Hey Mike, I must be a slow learner too because I have problems doing all this to myself. I have a great PT who does it but like said, my PT doesn't live with me either. At least I know what to shoot for though. Thanks for all your help to everyone! Have a great Friday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 Hey Mike, I must be a slow learner too because I have problems doing all this to myself. I have a great PT who does it but like said, my PT doesn't live with me either. At least I know what to shoot for though. Thanks for all your help to everyone! Have a great Friday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 Hey Mike, I must be a slow learner too because I have problems doing all this to myself. I have a great PT who does it but like said, my PT doesn't live with me either. At least I know what to shoot for though. Thanks for all your help to everyone! Have a great Friday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 ROFLOL - Mike - thanks again for all the info. I'm going to take some time today and digest it all and try it all out then I'll be back with a progress report and more questions/observations. I stayed up way too late last night and my eyes are paying for it today - they don't appreciate reading at the computer for long periods (and the poor things - I keep doing it to them) - > > but like said, my PT doesn't live with me either. > > ------------------- > > Be glad Barb is on vacation. Otherwise, she would be jumping all > over this by saying " MY therapist lives with me " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 ROFLOL - Mike - thanks again for all the info. I'm going to take some time today and digest it all and try it all out then I'll be back with a progress report and more questions/observations. I stayed up way too late last night and my eyes are paying for it today - they don't appreciate reading at the computer for long periods (and the poor things - I keep doing it to them) - > > but like said, my PT doesn't live with me either. > > ------------------- > > Be glad Barb is on vacation. Otherwise, she would be jumping all > over this by saying " MY therapist lives with me " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 Mike - thanks again for all the info. I'm going to take some time today and digest it all and try it all out then I'll be back with a progress report and more questions/observations. -------------- You must have anticipated my last post to you - they crossed in cyberspace. I have said this in the past but will repeat it now for you and the other new members. It is one thing for me to write about this stuff and give suggestions. But nothing I say has anywhere near the impact as a post from someone else on the list who actually does it and gets results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 Mike - thanks again for all the info. I'm going to take some time today and digest it all and try it all out then I'll be back with a progress report and more questions/observations. -------------- You must have anticipated my last post to you - they crossed in cyberspace. I have said this in the past but will repeat it now for you and the other new members. It is one thing for me to write about this stuff and give suggestions. But nothing I say has anywhere near the impact as a post from someone else on the list who actually does it and gets results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 Thank you so much, Mike! That really cleared a lot of thing up for me and now I understand some of the previous posts much better. In answer to your question about when I joined, it was around the end of February, but I've been making an effort to read past posts. I'm up to date on all posts from 2004 and am working on the end of 2003. I have learned soooooo many things in all areas since I joined this list. All of my weird symptoms seem to have been experienced by at least a couple others on this list, and I am really learning a lot from you about the alternative therapies. Considering I just got my official diagnosis a little over a week ago, and only really understood anything about EDS since January, I am amazed at all the knowledge I have! I just want to once again thank everyone who has answered my questions, both on and off the list. I hope to be able to return the favor. PS I'm really anxious to learn more about the new type of EDS. Is there anyone who might be able to pressure the presenters/researchers to give us a sneak preview before the conference in July? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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