Re: Vitamin A toxicity in 15 year old NT girl

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Am I reading this correctly, you gave 1 MILLION IU's of Vitamin A - TWICE????

May I ask on who's advice you did this?

This is most definitely not the protocol recommended by Dr. McCandless and

others and sounds extremely dangerous.

[ ] Vitamin A toxicity in 15 year old NT girl

Dear , Thank you for replying! The first dose (over 1,000,000

units) on Sunday did not seem to affect her. In fact, she asked for

more, which I said no to. She did mention having a slight headache,

but I was looking for a rash to indicate toxicity. She was fine for

4 hours after the same million unit dose on Monday, yesterday. Then

the headache, eye ache, really kicked in. It was really bad! I was

quite frightened for her. She never did get a rash, so in my opinion

a rash is not always going to show up, so those who think so really

should expand their knowlege of the Vitamin A process before advising

others. In hindsight, I wish I had thought ahead to the elimination

of the load. I would have given her some laxative herbs to help. I

didn't wish to give her any tylenol or any other substance because if

her liver and kidneys were already overloaded, why make it worse.

She couldn't keep anything down, not even two drops of water, so the

flushing benefit of water was not available to her.

I was able to help however by soaking a washcloth in hydrogen

peroxide and keeping it on her head. She also has taken two peroxide

baths, and reports improvement after each one. I also gave her a tsp

of epsom salts in lemonade, which stayed down, hoping to see some

elimination.

On the positive side, her eye twitching has completely stopped.

Before this she had very frequent twitching, and complained bitterly

about it from time to time. Also, her knees frequently make loud

cracking noises, which has not occurred at all since the doses.

>From what I read on Dr. Volpe's website, it is more effective to give

the two large doses (with proper preparation to gut health) as

opposed to building up with gradual small doses. As she is getting

back to normal, I am hopeful that improvements will continue. She

received vaccinations as a baby up till the age of 15 months, at

which time in addition to overruling my concerns about her having a

cold, the nurse accidentally gave her an extra MMR, to which she

acutely reacted severely by falling asleep within seconds of

receiving the shot, getting a hard, hot lump at the vaccination site,

and then for months afterwards frequently stopping and bending

involuntarily as she scooted around on the floor - which I

interpreted at the time as being seizure-like, admittedly subclinical

but still evident. Hillary

[Guest guest]

IMO--that was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much Vit A. 400,000 on 2

consecutive days is the absolute outer limit. Dr McCandless just

warned everyone on another list that you do not treat to the point of

toxicity and that if these abuses don't stop, the FDA or someone is

going to catch wind of this and Vit A will no longer be available to

us!

> Am I reading this correctly, you gave 1 MILLION IU's of Vitamin A -

TWICE????

> May I ask on who's advice you did this?

> This is most definitely not the protocol recommended by Dr.

McCandless and others and sounds extremely dangerous.

>

>

> [ ] Vitamin A toxicity in 15 year old NT

girl

>

>

>

> Dear , Thank you for replying! The first dose (over

1,000,000

> units) on Sunday did not seem to affect her. In fact, she asked

for

> more, which I said no to. She did mention having a slight

headache,

> but I was looking for a rash to indicate toxicity. She was fine

for

> 4 hours after the same million unit dose on Monday, yesterday.

Then

> the headache, eye ache, really kicked in. It was really bad! I

was

> quite frightened for her. She never did get a rash, so in my

opinion

> a rash is not always going to show up, so those who think so

really

> should expand their knowlege of the Vitamin A process before

advising

> others. In hindsight, I wish I had thought ahead to the

elimination

> of the load. I would have given her some laxative herbs to

help. I

> didn't wish to give her any tylenol or any other substance

because if

> her liver and kidneys were already overloaded, why make it

worse.

> She couldn't keep anything down, not even two drops of water, so

the

> flushing benefit of water was not available to her.

>

> I was able to help however by soaking a washcloth in hydrogen

> peroxide and keeping it on her head. She also has taken two

peroxide

> baths, and reports improvement after each one. I also gave her a

tsp

> of epsom salts in lemonade, which stayed down, hoping to see some

> elimination.

>

> On the positive side, her eye twitching has completely stopped.

> Before this she had very frequent twitching, and complained

bitterly

> about it from time to time. Also, her knees frequently make loud

> cracking noises, which has not occurred at all since the doses.

>

> >From what I read on Dr. Volpe's website, it is more effective to

give

> the two large doses (with proper preparation to gut health) as

> opposed to building up with gradual small doses. As she is

getting

> back to normal, I am hopeful that improvements will continue.

She

> received vaccinations as a baby up till the age of 15 months, at

> which time in addition to overruling my concerns about her having

a

> cold, the nurse accidentally gave her an extra MMR, to which she

> acutely reacted severely by falling asleep within seconds of

> receiving the shot, getting a hard, hot lump at the vaccination

site,

> and then for months afterwards frequently stopping and bending

> involuntarily as she scooted around on the floor - which I

> interpreted at the time as being seizure-like, admittedly

subclinical

> but still evident. Hillary

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Why did you give her so much?

I thought the max was 400,000?

[ ] Vitamin A toxicity in 15 year old NT girl

>

> Dear , Thank you for replying! The first dose (over 1,000,000

> units) on Sunday did not seem to affect her. In fact, she asked for

> more, which I said no to. She did mention having a slight headache,

> but I was looking for a rash to indicate toxicity. She was fine for

> 4 hours after the same million unit dose on Monday, yesterday. Then

> the headache, eye ache, really kicked in. It was really bad! I was

> quite frightened for her. She never did get a rash, so in my opinion

> a rash is not always going to show up, so those who think so really

> should expand their knowlege of the Vitamin A process before advising

> others. In hindsight, I wish I had thought ahead to the elimination

> of the load. I would have given her some laxative herbs to help. I

> didn't wish to give her any tylenol or any other substance because if

> her liver and kidneys were already overloaded, why make it worse.

> She couldn't keep anything down, not even two drops of water, so the

> flushing benefit of water was not available to her.

>

> I was able to help however by soaking a washcloth in hydrogen

> peroxide and keeping it on her head. She also has taken two peroxide

> baths, and reports improvement after each one. I also gave her a tsp

> of epsom salts in lemonade, which stayed down, hoping to see some

> elimination.

>

> On the positive side, her eye twitching has completely stopped.

> Before this she had very frequent twitching, and complained bitterly

> about it from time to time. Also, her knees frequently make loud

> cracking noises, which has not occurred at all since the doses.

>

> From what I read on Dr. Volpe's website, it is more effective to give

> the two large doses (with proper preparation to gut health) as

> opposed to building up with gradual small doses. As she is getting

> back to normal, I am hopeful that improvements will continue. She

> received vaccinations as a baby up till the age of 15 months, at

> which time in addition to overruling my concerns about her having a

> cold, the nurse accidentally gave her an extra MMR, to which she

> acutely reacted severely by falling asleep within seconds of

> receiving the shot, getting a hard, hot lump at the vaccination site,

> and then for months afterwards frequently stopping and bending

> involuntarily as she scooted around on the floor - which I

> interpreted at the time as being seizure-like, admittedly subclinical

> but still evident. Hillary

>

>

> > Hillary,

> > We, too, had a negative experiemce with the Micel A. I gave

> 100,000u

> > (120#) purposely on the low end because our daughter had a

> > headache/seizure response that SEEMED related to a bolus high dose

> > in the past. Well, the same thing happened this time...so I guess

> > I'll call it related. Within several hours seizures began, she

> > complained of a huge headache, ran a low grade fever for 1.5 days,

> > looked beet red like hyper phenol and had a chest full of 'zits'.

> > I'll not be giving and more of that!!

> >

> >

> >

> > From: " Larkin and Hillary " <mcdillis@b...>

> > Date: Mon May 10, 2004 6:51 pm

> > Dear Listmates, Yesterday and today I gave my daughter a loading

> > dose of Klaire

> > Labs Micel A, she weighs 125 lbs so I gave her 11 ml each day. She

> > was quite

> > happy yesterday, but today, ten hours after the second dose, she

> > still has

> > developed a huge headache! She can't keep anything down. Does

> anyone

> > know how

> > to ease her through this? Sincerely, Hillary

> >

> >

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>

> Dear , Thank you for replying! The first dose (over 1,000,000

> units) on Sunday did not seem to affect her. In fact, she asked for

> more, which I said no to. She did mention having a slight headache,

> but I was looking for a rash to indicate toxicity.

Rash appears to be one of the more common toxicity symptoms, but there

are other symptoms also. Here is my page, which starts with Dr.

McCandless' recommendations [including her list of symptoms]

http://www.danasview.net/vitamina.htm

I have this list of symptoms that I need to find time to add to that page

Symptoms of vitamin A toxicity:

Bulging fontanelles (infants)

Bone pain or swelling

Craniotabes (infants and children)

Skin and hair changes

hair loss

seborrhea

cracking at corners of the mouth

Irritability

Decreased appetite

Poor weight gain (infants and children)

Vomiting

Drowsiness

>>She never did get a rash, so in my opinion

> a rash is not always going to show up, so those who think so really

> should expand their knowlege of the Vitamin A process before advising

> others.

Very true. I mention that my kids get the rash, but other kids don't,

they have other symptoms.

> I was able to help however by soaking a washcloth in hydrogen

> peroxide and keeping it on her head. She also has taken two peroxide

> baths, and reports improvement after each one. I also gave her a tsp

> of epsom salts in lemonade, which stayed down, hoping to see some

> elimination.

Very nice that you found some things to help with the symptoms!

> On the positive side, her eye twitching has completely stopped.

> Before this she had very frequent twitching, and complained bitterly

> about it from time to time. Also, her knees frequently make loud

> cracking noises, which has not occurred at all since the doses.

Nice to read there were some good things.

Dr. McCandless also sent me an email about this message. I will post

the relevant portions here

" Dear Dana: I just received word that someone on the A-M list gave

their child a huge dose of Vitamin A, (over a million iu at once) with

subsequent headache and illness. Since I am not on that list anymore,

I am asking you to please intervene and ask those listers to adhere to

the recommended dosing. If a child does not have measles to use up

the vitamin A, and their gut is functioning well enough to absorb all

that Vitamin A, the risk of toxicity is great and could be disastrous

in our ability to even use this supplement any more. As you know, the

FDA is watching us and will use any excuse to take a nutrient off the

market and make it a prescription drug if they can. "

I will mention that my own son required more than the " recommended

dose " , but he did not require 1 million IU for two days.

Dana