Re: Help me convince doc that my son is mercury toxic!

[Guest guest]

My opinion is why waste time trying to persude somebody who has little or no

interest in being persuaded? I am probably one of the newest people here and

am far from ANY knd of authority, but I don't see why you can't just start

chelating him anyway. Just what to you have to lose?

If I left my health up to the medical doctors, I believe I might be dead by

now.

I get DMSA from Vitamin Research Products (online) and ALA from a health

food store. I don';t think I am really ready for the ALA yet,

though.....your child might be different. My toxic load is way off the

charts.

?? QUESTION ??

I know DMPS is by prescription only, but am interested in why most people

here seem to be using it rather than DMSA.

~Inga

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on 9/30/04 2:10 PM, parent616 at parent616@... wrote:

I have just realized in the past few months that we will not get very

far helping my 3-year old son if we do not chelate. I am very anxious

to start chelation. For over a year, we have tried strict dietary

intervention, antifungals, minerals and other supplements and nothing

is helping and my son is actually getting worse.

My DANdoctor wants to do more testing. The problem is that our local

hospital is incredibly incompetent and most of the testing we have

done so far has taken months because they keep losing the blood and

the results. We had to repeat one test 3 times.

My son had a dramatic regression after his last DPT at 23 months.

Before that he was gifted. I ate lots of tuna while pregnant and

breastfeeding. We have already done a hair and RBC test last year.

Here are the results:

Hair from Doctor's Data:

Total Toxic Representation - high yellow

aluminum 13-yellow (ref. range 8.0)

antimony 0.064-green (ref. range 0.066)

arsenic 0.098-yellow (ref. range 0.08)

bismuth 0.013-green (ref. range 0.13)

cadmium 0.31-yellow (ref. range 0.15)

lead 2.5-yellow (ref. range 1.0)

mercury 0.27 - green (ref. range 0.4)

uranium 0.009 - green (ref. range 0.06)

nickel 0.14 - green (ref. range 0.4)

silver 0.05 - green (ref. range 0.2)

tin 0.33 - yellow (ref. range 0.3)

titanium 1.1 - yellow (ref. range 1.0)

Calcium 121 125-370

Magnesium 7.0 12-30

Sodium 11 12-90

Potassium 45 12-40

Copper 11 8-16

Zinc 76 100-190

Manganese 0.1 0.2-0.55

Chromium 0.4 0.26-0.5

Vanadium 0.041 0.03-0.1

Molybdenum 0.18 0.05-0.13

Boron 4.2 0.6-4.0

Iodine 2.6 0.25-1.3

Lithium 0.02 0.007-0.023

Phosphorus 171 160-250

Selenium 0.73 0.95-1.7

Strontium 0.2 0.16-1.0

Sulfur 46800 45500-5300

Barium 0.16 0.16-0.8

Cobalt 0.01 0.013-0.035

Iron 6.6 8.0-19

Germanium 0.063 0.045-0.065

Rubidium 0.054 0.016-0.18

Zirconium 0.98 0.04-1.0

I calculated the counting rules last year and, if I recall correctly,

he missed them by 1 point.

RBC

calcium low - yellow

zinc low - yellow

Mercury was not detected at all and arsenic, cadmium and lead were in

the green.

On amino acid testing glycine and cysteine were low.

I guess the only thing that would indicate that he is not mercury

toxic is that he seems to excrete mercury through his hair whereas

most ASD kids do not. Any comments on this?

Our DAN doctor seems to think that autism has many causes - yeast,

peptides, immune, viruses and that we have to be sure that mercury is

an issue before we start.

Can anyone provide arguments to for me to persuade my doctor that

chelation will most likely help my son and that he is mercury toxic.

He is generally a good doctor, close by, and looking for someone else

would delay the process further.

Sorry for the long post. Thanks so much for your help.

Hope

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[Guest guest]

> I have just realized in the past few months that we will not get very

> far helping my 3-year old son if we do not chelate. I am very anxious

> to start chelation. For over a year, we have tried strict dietary

> intervention, antifungals, minerals and other supplements and nothing

> is helping and my son is actually getting worse.

>

> My DAN! doctor wants to do more testing.

So? Ignore him and start chelating. You can get ALA and DMSA over the

counter.

> The problem is that our local

> hospital is incredibly incompetent and most of the testing we have

> done so far has taken months because they keep losing the blood and

> the results. We had to repeat one test 3 times.

Testing doesn't make anyone better, even if it is easy to get done.

> My son had a dramatic regression after his last DPT at 23 months.

> Before that he was gifted. I ate lots of tuna while pregnant and

> breastfeeding. We have already done a hair and RBC test last year.

> Here are the results:

>

> Hair from Doctor's Data:

> Total Toxic Representation - high yellow

> aluminum 13-yellow (ref. range 8.0)

> antimony 0.064-green (ref. range 0.066)

> arsenic 0.098-yellow (ref. range 0.08)

> bismuth 0.013-green (ref. range 0.13)

> cadmium 0.31-yellow (ref. range 0.15)

> lead 2.5-yellow (ref. range 1.0)

> mercury 0.27 - green (ref. range 0.4)

> uranium 0.009 - green (ref. range 0.06)

> nickel 0.14 - green (ref. range 0.4)

> silver 0.05 - green (ref. range 0.2)

> tin 0.33 - yellow (ref. range 0.3)

> titanium 1.1 - yellow (ref. range 1.0)

>

> Calcium 121 125-370

> Magnesium 7.0 12-30

> Sodium 11 12-90

> Potassium 45 12-40

> Copper 11 8-16

> Zinc 76 100-190

> Manganese 0.1 0.2-0.55

> Chromium 0.4 0.26-0.5

> Vanadium 0.041 0.03-0.1

> Molybdenum 0.18 0.05-0.13

> Boron 4.2 0.6-4.0

> Iodine 2.6 0.25-1.3

> Lithium 0.02 0.007-0.023

> Phosphorus 171 160-250

> Selenium 0.73 0.95-1.7

> Strontium 0.2 0.16-1.0

> Sulfur 46800 45500-5300

> Barium 0.16 0.16-0.8

> Cobalt 0.01 0.013-0.035

> Iron 6.6 8.0-19

> Germanium 0.063 0.045-0.065

> Rubidium 0.054 0.016-0.18

> Zirconium 0.98 0.04-1.0

>

> I calculated the counting rules last year and, if I recall correctly,

> he missed them by 1 point.

>

> RBC

> calcium low - yellow

> zinc low - yellow

> Mercury was not detected at all and arsenic, cadmium and lead were in

> the green.

>

> On amino acid testing glycine and cysteine were low.

Cysteine? Or cystine? or cyst(e)ine? Only cysteine which is NOT on

any amino acid panel I know of, it is done by itself, is relevant.

> I guess the only thing that would indicate that he is not mercury

> toxic is that he seems to excrete mercury through his hair whereas

> most ASD kids do not. Any comments on this?

Some toxic kids do too, as do some toxic adults.

> Our DAN doctor seems to think that autism has many causes - yeast,

> peptides, immune, viruses and that we have to be sure that mercury is

> an issue before we start.

I don't understand why you are paying him if he hasn't learned how to

practice medicine yet. You really don't need to be sure of anything

before trying treatments - using the treatment to figure out what is

wrong is called a therapeutic trial and it is often the quickest,

easiest and cheapest way to get it figured out.

> Can anyone provide arguments to for me to persuade my doctor that

> chelation will most likely help my son and that he is mercury toxic.

Only if he wants to be persuaded.

It is really amazingly hard for parents to stop being codependent

doormats and start being customers. If the guy wants money he better

get with the program.

> He is generally a good doctor, close by, and looking for someone else

> would delay the process further.

Why do you need someone? Just do it.

> Sorry for the long post. Thanks so much for your help.

>

> Hope

[Guest guest]

> aluminum 13-yellow (ref. range 8.0)

> arsenic 0.098-yellow (ref. range 0.08)

> cadmium 0.31-yellow (ref. range 0.15)

> lead 2.5-yellow (ref. range 1.0)

> tin 0.33 - yellow (ref. range 0.3)

> titanium 1.1 - yellow (ref. range 1.0)

Consider removing sources of current exposures

http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

> I guess the only thing that would indicate that he is not mercury

> toxic is that he seems to excrete mercury through his hair whereas

> most ASD kids do not. Any comments on this?

If he is excreting mercury in his hair [i did not notice that it was

high], that probably means he has current exposures. Try to locate

and remove them.

> Can anyone provide arguments to for me to persuade my doctor that

> chelation will most likely help my son and that he is mercury toxic.

> He is generally a good doctor, close by, and looking for someone else

> would delay the process further.

I would say " thank you for your time " and leave. Then chelate on my own.

Dana

[Guest guest]

That sounds like my DAN doctor, and my experience with Unilab/Quest

lab...

I chelate on my own. I just use the doctor to get testing done so it

is covered by my medical insurance.

That is sad, but I had to keep moving to help my son. He had very

high mercury in hair (almost 6 with ref range <0.4) and in blood and

even with that doctors did not want to chelate!

It seems that you have two options here: either find a doctor who has

experience chelating with a safe protocol or do it on your own.. Do

not waste your time trying to convince somebody who do not want to be

convinced.

> I have just realized in the past few months that we will not get

very

> far helping my 3-year old son if we do not chelate. I am very

anxious

> to start chelation. For over a year, we have tried strict dietary

> intervention, antifungals, minerals and other supplements and

nothing

> is helping and my son is actually getting worse.

>

> My DANdoctor wants to do more testing. The problem is that our

local

> hospital is incredibly incompetent and most of the testing we have

> done so far has taken months because they keep losing the blood and

> the results. We had to repeat one test 3 times.

>

> My son had a dramatic regression after his last DPT at 23 months.

> Before that he was gifted. I ate lots of tuna while pregnant and

> breastfeeding. We have already done a hair and RBC test last year.

> Here are the results:

>

> Hair from Doctor's Data:

> Total Toxic Representation - high yellow

> aluminum 13-yellow (ref. range 8.0)

> antimony 0.064-green (ref. range 0.066)

> arsenic 0.098-yellow (ref. range 0.08)

> bismuth 0.013-green (ref. range 0.13)

> cadmium 0.31-yellow (ref. range 0.15)

> lead 2.5-yellow (ref. range 1.0)

> mercury 0.27 - green (ref. range 0.4)

> uranium 0.009 - green (ref. range 0.06)

> nickel 0.14 - green (ref. range 0.4)

> silver 0.05 - green (ref. range 0.2)

> tin 0.33 - yellow (ref. range 0.3)

> titanium 1.1 - yellow (ref. range 1.0)

>

> Calcium 121 125-370

> Magnesium 7.0 12-30

> Sodium 11 12-90

> Potassium 45 12-40

> Copper 11 8-16

> Zinc 76 100-190

> Manganese 0.1 0.2-0.55

> Chromium 0.4 0.26-0.5

> Vanadium 0.041 0.03-0.1

> Molybdenum 0.18 0.05-0.13

> Boron 4.2 0.6-4.0

> Iodine 2.6 0.25-1.3

> Lithium 0.02 0.007-0.023

> Phosphorus 171 160-250

> Selenium 0.73 0.95-1.7

> Strontium 0.2 0.16-1.0

> Sulfur 46800 45500-5300

> Barium 0.16 0.16-0.8

> Cobalt 0.01 0.013-0.035

> Iron 6.6 8.0-19

> Germanium 0.063 0.045-0.065

> Rubidium 0.054 0.016-0.18

> Zirconium 0.98 0.04-1.0

>

> I calculated the counting rules last year and, if I recall

correctly,

> he missed them by 1 point.

>

> RBC

> calcium low - yellow

> zinc low - yellow

> Mercury was not detected at all and arsenic, cadmium and lead were

in

> the green.

>

> On amino acid testing glycine and cysteine were low.

>

> I guess the only thing that would indicate that he is not mercury

> toxic is that he seems to excrete mercury through his hair whereas

> most ASD kids do not. Any comments on this?

>

>

> Our DAN doctor seems to think that autism has many causes - yeast,

> peptides, immune, viruses and that we have to be sure that mercury

is

> an issue before we start.

>

> Can anyone provide arguments to for me to persuade my doctor that

> chelation will most likely help my son and that he is mercury

toxic.

> He is generally a good doctor, close by, and looking for someone

else

> would delay the process further.

>

> Sorry for the long post. Thanks so much for your help.

>

> Hope

[Guest guest]

I also chelate without doctor supervision. I don't have any in my

area, and the one DAN! doc I saw wanted to do the 8-hr method with

DMPS SUPPOSITORY. I explained that I want to continue to use the 3hr

method and he argued with me. We won't be going back.

I have learned to learn everything on my own and seek a doctor only

to provde testing.

Debi

> I have just realized in the past few months that we will not get

very

> far helping my 3-year old son if we do not chelate. I am very

anxious

> to start chelation. For over a year, we have tried strict dietary

> intervention, antifungals, minerals and other supplements and

nothing

> is helping and my son is actually getting worse.

>

> My DANdoctor wants to do more testing. The problem is that our

local

> hospital is incredibly incompetent and most of the testing we have

> done so far has taken months because they keep losing the blood and

> the results. We had to repeat one test 3 times.

>