Chelation - Once a month?? + reduced L-Glutathione

[Guest guest]

I have 6yo triplets, 2 with Autism (one boy - Liam, one girl -Dharma)

one with brat-tism (girl - Neve).

I have been reading some of the Andy and Dr. Amy FAQs

While we lived in Oregon, my children were treated by Dr. Green from

the evergreen center (He is one of the highest regarded DAN doctors

on the west cost) He was chelating my children once a month with an

IV-DMSA. In the FAQs Dr. Amy says that DMPS and DMSA is not effective

when given at long intervals. Who is right??

When we moved to Michigan and did not have immediate access to a DAN

doctor the evergreen center gave us reduced L-Glutathione as a

topical chelator (3 DAYS on, 2 WEEKS off). In the FAQs, Andy says

that glutathione is not a chelator. Again, who is right??

Is there anything out there that " most agree " to be effective?

I have my " DAN " doctor here wants me to use Authia, but others say

that it is dangerous and reduces excretion instead of increasing it.

It is getting to the point that I am paralyzed by constant

conflicting information.

Oral anything is very difficult with my children, is there any IV or

topical chelation protocal that is effective??

TheCallensFive

[Guest guest]

> I have 6yo triplets, 2 with Autism (one boy - Liam, one girl -Dharma)

> one with brat-tism (girl - Neve).

>

> I have been reading some of the Andy and Dr. Amy FAQs

>

> While we lived in Oregon, my children were treated by Dr. Green from

> the evergreen center (He is one of the highest regarded DAN doctors

> on the west cost) He was chelating my children once a month with an

> IV-DMSA.

iv DMPS. DMSA is not available for injection.

This should never be done.

> In the FAQs Dr. Amy says that DMPS and DMSA is not effective

> when given at long intervals. Who is right??

Dr. Amy is correct on this. It is also described in my book where I

discuss actual increase in monthly excretion with different protocols.

> When we moved to Michigan and did not have immediate access to a DAN

> doctor the evergreen center gave us reduced L-Glutathione as a

> topical chelator

It isn't a chelator.

> (3 DAYS on, 2 WEEKS off). In the FAQs, Andy says

> that glutathione is not a chelator. Again, who is right??

Me, and this is by definition. There is no possibility of argument

except from militantly ignorant people, any more than one can argue

rationally that 1 + 1 = 85. Gluathione does not have two sulfhydryl

groups per molecule, it is not an effective chelator for heavy metals.

There is also the issue of the amount naturally present in the body,

which is far more than you are administering so it can't possibly be

making a big difference.

> Is there anything out there that " most agree " to be effective?

Yes. Most doctors and other experts agree that it has been

conclusively proven mercury has nothing to do with autism, autism is a

genetic condition for whcih there is no medical treatment, and the only

effective interventions are behavioral things like ABA.

Once you realise that is nonsense you also need to abandon doctor

worship and figure stuff out yourself, since you're not going to find

agreement on much else.

> I have my " DAN " doctor here wants me to use Authia,

Because he doesn't know anything about chelation, science, chemistry,

and is not functionally literate in reading journal papers.

> but others say

> that it is dangerous and reduces excretion instead of increasing it.

Which is correct and I honestly question the sanity and ethics of those

who state otherwise since the only literature on it is conclusive on

this point AND it is what one would predict based on fundamental

chemical principles.

> It is getting to the point that I am paralyzed by constant

> conflicting information.

No, you are paralyzed by your need to worship doctors.

Stop being political. Stop caring about who thinks what. Start being

concerned for your kid, which requires you to figure out what is going

on the best you can and make your own decision.

> Oral anything is very difficult with my children, is there any IV or

> topical chelation protocal that is effective??

nothing iv should ever be done for chelation.

topical DMPS and ALA probably work fine as long as you apply them

adequatnely frequently instead of listening to doctors who know no

kinetics blather based on which side of the bed they got up on today.

DMPS, every 8 hours or more often,

ALA, every 3-4 hours or more often.

It is worth trying to figure out how to get it down their throats

(mostly by putting it in something they like to eat) because that is

much more well understood, but if that isn't possible then just get

transdermal preparations and smear them on using the same schedule.

> TheCallensFive

[Guest guest]

" Yes. Most doctors and other experts agree that it has been

conclusively proven mercury has nothing to do with autism, autism is a

genetic condition for whcih there is no medical treatment, and the only

effective interventions are behavioral things like ABA "

Allow me to restate what you said...

We are going to inject the second most toxic substance known to man into

infants with immature immune systems

at levels that are 65 to 200 times the safe level and we are going to do

this multiple times, but don't worry it will

have no effect on them.

I find that a joke... and a genetic epidemic... sorry can't happen...

1991 - 1 in 10000 ; 2001 - 1 in 150

Pre-mature infants are at higher risk for autism, impossible if it is purely

genetic.

Purely genetic is as ridiculas as the " refrigerator mom " idea that... " Most

doctors and other experts agree... "

There is NO evidence that it is genetic, that is just someones SWAG

(scientific wild ass guess) that sounded good

because they needed something to fill the refrigerator mom gap when it was

shown how stupid that idea was.

epidemic started at the same time as the new vaccine protocol. But it has

nothing to do with the mercury in vaccines

symptoms of mercury poisoning and autism are very similar. But it has

nothing to do with the mercury in vaccines.

autism mostly affects boys > 90%. Estrogen protects against mercury

posioning. But it has nothing to do with the mercury in vaccines.

" conclusively " ???

At last count there were over 5000 papers published to date showing a causal

link.

The " big " studies (like the Denmark studies) that most doctors love to quote

were done by vaccine makers.

The " big " american study recently done (that showed no link) was also done

by a vaccine maker. What they forget to mention is that

the same doctor who did that study also did two previous studies while

working for the CDC: Both studies showed

a strong causal link.

" you also need to abandon doctor worship " - I personally think that all

doctors go through a common sense labotomy while in medical school.

and MOST have NO IDEA what they are doing... Which is why I am polling

parents.

" Stop caring about who thinks what. Start being concerned for your kid,

which requires you to figure out what is going

on the best you can and make your own decision "

Reading about the experience of others and asking question IS figuring out

what is going on so I can make GOOD decisions.

" Start being concerned for your kid " ... You have no idea, you arrogant...

TheCallensFive

[ ] Re: Chelation - Once a month?? + reduced

L-Glutathione

>

>

>> I have 6yo triplets, 2 with Autism (one boy - Liam, one girl -Dharma)

>> one with brat-tism (girl - Neve).

>>

>> I have been reading some of the Andy and Dr. Amy FAQs

>>

>> While we lived in Oregon, my children were treated by Dr. Green from

>> the evergreen center (He is one of the highest regarded DAN doctors

>> on the west cost) He was chelating my children once a month with an

>> IV-DMSA.

>

> iv DMPS. DMSA is not available for injection.

>

> This should never be done.

>

>> In the FAQs Dr. Amy says that DMPS and DMSA is not effective

>> when given at long intervals. Who is right??

>

> Dr. Amy is correct on this. It is also described in my book where I

> discuss actual increase in monthly excretion with different protocols.

>

>> When we moved to Michigan and did not have immediate access to a DAN

>> doctor the evergreen center gave us reduced L-Glutathione as a

>> topical chelator

>

> It isn't a chelator.

>

>> (3 DAYS on, 2 WEEKS off). In the FAQs, Andy says

>> that glutathione is not a chelator. Again, who is right??

>

> Me, and this is by definition. There is no possibility of argument

> except from militantly ignorant people, any more than one can argue

> rationally that 1 + 1 = 85. Gluathione does not have two sulfhydryl

> groups per molecule, it is not an effective chelator for heavy metals.

>

> There is also the issue of the amount naturally present in the body,

> which is far more than you are administering so it can't possibly be

> making a big difference.

>

>> Is there anything out there that " most agree " to be effective?

>

> Yes. Most doctors and other experts agree that it has been

> conclusively proven mercury has nothing to do with autism, autism is a

> genetic condition for whcih there is no medical treatment, and the only

> effective interventions are behavioral things like ABA.

>

> Once you realise that is nonsense you also need to abandon doctor

> worship and figure stuff out yourself, since you're not going to find

> agreement on much else.

>

>> I have my " DAN " doctor here wants me to use Authia,

>

> Because he doesn't know anything about chelation, science, chemistry,

> and is not functionally literate in reading journal papers.

>

>> but others say

>> that it is dangerous and reduces excretion instead of increasing it.

>

> Which is correct and I honestly question the sanity and ethics of those

> who state otherwise since the only literature on it is conclusive on

> this point AND it is what one would predict based on fundamental

> chemical principles.

>

>> It is getting to the point that I am paralyzed by constant

>> conflicting information.

>

> No, you are paralyzed by your need to worship doctors.

>

> Stop being political. Stop caring about who thinks what. Start being

> concerned for your kid, which requires you to figure out what is going

> on the best you can and make your own decision.

>

>> Oral anything is very difficult with my children, is there any IV or

>> topical chelation protocal that is effective??

>

> nothing iv should ever be done for chelation.

>

> topical DMPS and ALA probably work fine as long as you apply them

> adequatnely frequently instead of listening to doctors who know no

> kinetics blather based on which side of the bed they got up on today.

>

> DMPS, every 8 hours or more often,

>

> ALA, every 3-4 hours or more often.

>

> It is worth trying to figure out how to get it down their throats

> (mostly by putting it in something they like to eat) because that is

> much more well understood, but if that isn't possible then just get

> transdermal preparations and smear them on using the same schedule.

>

>> TheCallensFive

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