Re: What you Need to Know About Massages Tuina.... MIKE

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In a message dated 4/26/2004 10:55:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,

mike@... writes:

In general, an excellent article. But the above statement does not

apply just to massage - it applies to any and every health care

modalitiy, including chiros, DO's, PT's, and full blown licenesed

doctors. Good ones (styles and/or practitioners) can be great but

bad ones can be a disaster.

Gosh, isn't this the truth??? !!!! Amen to that.

And as for " massage, " there isn't just one kind of massage. There

are dozens, if not hundreds, of styles and variations: Swedish,

Thai, Shiatsu (with multiple styles of Shiatsu), Tu Nia, Medical Qi

Gong, Rolfing, MFR, Deep Tissue, NMT, etc, etc. Some are feather

light and gentle and others are deep, aggressive and invasive. Some

are wonderful for symptomatic relief for folks with EDS and others

(in my opinion) are totally contraindicated.

I do have one sort of related question. A couple of years ago, I had several

months of ChineseTuina treatments. It was the most amazing experiences (and

very helpful at the time.) This gentleman, was a fifth (5th) generation master

at this!! That, in & of itself I think is/was amazing. He knew, in less

than a minute, so many physical things about me, just from feeling my radial

pulse. And he was correct on everything! I was almost freaked out by how much

he

knew just from feeling my pulse. It was like he was reading my mind. What I

wanted to ask you is this...... Is the Tu Nia that you mentioned above

something similar, different or the same, but just spelled differently, as I

know

when things are translated from one language to the other, they can come out

differently, but are, in fact the same thing. Do you know?? Thanks,

u

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A couple of years ago, I had several months of Chinese Tuina

treatments...He knew, in less than a minute, so many physical things

about me, just from feeling my radial pulse. And he was correct on

everything! I was almost freaked out by how much he knew just from

feeling my pulse. It was like he was reading my mind.

What I wanted to ask you is this...... Is the Tu Nia that you

mentioned above something similar, different or the same, but just

spelled differently,

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I will address your second point first. They are exactly the same.

I probably had it misspelled as two words instead of one. It is a

form of Chinese medical massage. I know WHAT it is but have had no

formal training or experience in it personally.

And he did not just read your " radial " pulse. In Chinese medicine

there is not just " one " pulse - there are twelve. There are six on

each wrist, three superficial and three deep. Each corresponds to a

specific meridian - kidney, lungs, gall bladder, etc. There is an

entire " field " called Pulse Diagnostics. You read the different

pulses in terms of strength, quality, etc. Is it strong and

vibrant? Is it weak? Does it have a fluttery, slippery or erratic

feel to it? Does it feel in excess or does it feel deficient?

There is a whole range of characteristics that they look at/listen

for. My Jin Shin Do training is just now starting to really get

into pulse reading. I have done enough of it in class now to be

intrigued by it.

What your 5th generation master was able to pick up in about a

minute does not surprise me in the least. It is a real art, taking

a life time to master. But with someone who has mastered it, their

ability will absolutely blow your mind on what they can pick up. I

think a master at pulse diagnostics can pick up more in less than

two minutes with his/her hands than half the fancy ass equipment in

most hospitals.

Given what I just went through the last four days with Visceral

Manipulation, I am really curious about correlating or integrating

Chinese Pulse Diagnostics with Visceral Manipulation " listening "

techniques on the actual physical organs. I am also really curious

about whether there are any consistent patterns with either where

EDS is involved. Are there consistent patterns for HEDS? For VEDS?

If there are, are they the same or different, HEDS versus VEDS?

That is going to be one of my little research projects when I am

traveling around the country this year. I hope to be able to put my

hands on several dozen sets of wrists to develop a research file.

As I have posted before, I am becoming more and more convinced that

some of the underlying cause, not only of EDS but other chronic

and/or autoimmune disorders, lies in the body's energetic system. If

I am right, then effective treatment also has to address the

energetic body. Some of the symptomatic successes we have been

seeing in the last couple of months with people on the list using

various acupressure or polarity techniques is highly suggestive.

At this point, I don't have any answers - I just keep getting more

questions. Trying to, if not get actual answers at least research

some possibilities, is one of the main reasons why I want to put

miles on the RV over the next six months. I need to test some of my

theories and the only way I can do that is to get my hands on as

many bodies as possible.