Re: physical therapy/shoulder

[Guest guest]

physical therapy/shoulder

Hi,

I need some input about physical therapy. My grown daughter has EDS

Classical type, and her primary subluxations are with her shoulders. She has

chronic pain and a lot of crepitus. Her internal med doc referred her to a PT,

who has said she feels her collar bones are malaligned, and that her rib is

pushing her shoulder up and out of place???

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Sue I was told by a PT that my first ribs were too high and were up in the

trapezius muscle area...he was always trying to push them down too...

Hopefully Mike will answer on this as he knows anatamony and phys....

Bonnie

[Guest guest]

Hi -

I have a chronic and reoccuring problem with rib/shoulder problems.

The rib could easily be pushing the shoulder out of place and causing

pain. However, I don't know how much luck she'll have with just

pusing it back it. And I believe that if the pushing is too

aggressive that damage could be done.

There is probably a lot of muscle involvement - in which case the

muscles need to be relaxed before the bones will stay where they

belong and not just pop back to their 'out of place' place that

they've been in for awhile. Trigger point therapy, massage, aqua

therapy, are some ways to help relax the muscles - although I'm sure

there are many more.

I've had electrical stimulation done (which I think is for a

combination pain relief and muscle relaxation) - but it has never

done anything for me.

The info Mike will eventually post will be the least likely to do

damage and least likely to cause side effects and should work at

least as well if not better than other things. The PT might even

know how to do what Mike suggests.

Good Luck

>

> Hi,

> I need some input about physical therapy. My grown daughter has

EDS Classical type, and her primary subluxations are with her

shoulders. She has chronic pain and a lot of crepitus. Her internal

med doc referred her to a PT, who has said she feels her collar bones

are malaligned, and that her rib is pushing her shoulder up and out

of place??? She is doing a lot of deep massage and electrical

stimulation and is " trying to move that rib forward " so her shoulder

will go back into place. She is very sore, but hopeful this will help

as she has a really active beautiful 13 month old who is quite busy.

> My knowledge of EDS and PT is that you strengthen the muscles

around the affected joint, not pressure on something else? I

personally dislocated several ribs in an auto accident and know how

painful that is firsthand.....it took months for them to move back.

They are using electrical stimulation also.

> What do you guys think? I don't have any articles to give her to

take to this therapist....maybe she is doing a great thing, maybe

damaging her worse. I just don't know. Even as an RN, I never knew

what was helpful with PT for myself. Until Dr. Levy just had me do

hydrotherapy and isometrics, everything else made me worse.

> Please give me input to help her....she is anxious to hear from

everyone here and to help the therapist help her.

>

> Thanks so much!

> Sue

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi -

I have a chronic and reoccuring problem with rib/shoulder problems.

The rib could easily be pushing the shoulder out of place and causing

pain. However, I don't know how much luck she'll have with just

pusing it back it. And I believe that if the pushing is too

aggressive that damage could be done.

There is probably a lot of muscle involvement - in which case the

muscles need to be relaxed before the bones will stay where they

belong and not just pop back to their 'out of place' place that

they've been in for awhile. Trigger point therapy, massage, aqua

therapy, are some ways to help relax the muscles - although I'm sure

there are many more.

I've had electrical stimulation done (which I think is for a

combination pain relief and muscle relaxation) - but it has never

done anything for me.

The info Mike will eventually post will be the least likely to do

damage and least likely to cause side effects and should work at

least as well if not better than other things. The PT might even

know how to do what Mike suggests.

Good Luck

>

> Hi,

> I need some input about physical therapy. My grown daughter has

EDS Classical type, and her primary subluxations are with her

shoulders. She has chronic pain and a lot of crepitus. Her internal

med doc referred her to a PT, who has said she feels her collar bones

are malaligned, and that her rib is pushing her shoulder up and out

of place??? She is doing a lot of deep massage and electrical

stimulation and is " trying to move that rib forward " so her shoulder

will go back into place. She is very sore, but hopeful this will help

as she has a really active beautiful 13 month old who is quite busy.

> My knowledge of EDS and PT is that you strengthen the muscles

around the affected joint, not pressure on something else? I

personally dislocated several ribs in an auto accident and know how

painful that is firsthand.....it took months for them to move back.

They are using electrical stimulation also.

> What do you guys think? I don't have any articles to give her to

take to this therapist....maybe she is doing a great thing, maybe

damaging her worse. I just don't know. Even as an RN, I never knew

what was helpful with PT for myself. Until Dr. Levy just had me do

hydrotherapy and isometrics, everything else made me worse.

> Please give me input to help her....she is anxious to hear from

everyone here and to help the therapist help her.

>

> Thanks so much!

> Sue

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi -

I have a chronic and reoccuring problem with rib/shoulder problems.

The rib could easily be pushing the shoulder out of place and causing

pain. However, I don't know how much luck she'll have with just

pusing it back it. And I believe that if the pushing is too

aggressive that damage could be done.

There is probably a lot of muscle involvement - in which case the

muscles need to be relaxed before the bones will stay where they

belong and not just pop back to their 'out of place' place that

they've been in for awhile. Trigger point therapy, massage, aqua

therapy, are some ways to help relax the muscles - although I'm sure

there are many more.

I've had electrical stimulation done (which I think is for a

combination pain relief and muscle relaxation) - but it has never

done anything for me.

The info Mike will eventually post will be the least likely to do

damage and least likely to cause side effects and should work at

least as well if not better than other things. The PT might even

know how to do what Mike suggests.

Good Luck

>

> Hi,

> I need some input about physical therapy. My grown daughter has

EDS Classical type, and her primary subluxations are with her

shoulders. She has chronic pain and a lot of crepitus. Her internal

med doc referred her to a PT, who has said she feels her collar bones

are malaligned, and that her rib is pushing her shoulder up and out

of place??? She is doing a lot of deep massage and electrical

stimulation and is " trying to move that rib forward " so her shoulder

will go back into place. She is very sore, but hopeful this will help

as she has a really active beautiful 13 month old who is quite busy.

> My knowledge of EDS and PT is that you strengthen the muscles

around the affected joint, not pressure on something else? I

personally dislocated several ribs in an auto accident and know how

painful that is firsthand.....it took months for them to move back.

They are using electrical stimulation also.

> What do you guys think? I don't have any articles to give her to

take to this therapist....maybe she is doing a great thing, maybe

damaging her worse. I just don't know. Even as an RN, I never knew

what was helpful with PT for myself. Until Dr. Levy just had me do

hydrotherapy and isometrics, everything else made me worse.

> Please give me input to help her....she is anxious to hear from

everyone here and to help the therapist help her.

>

> Thanks so much!

> Sue

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jill

I sent you a message offlist and didn't know if you recieved it or if I have

the right email or if my computer is messed up. Can you let me know?? It was

about a genetecist in Toronto.

Thanks so much.

Betty

Re: physical therapy/shoulder

> I have some articles for you Sue, and will send them along!

>

> Jill

>

>

>

>

>

>

> To learn more about EDS, visit our website:

http://members.rogers.com/ceda2/

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jill

I sent you a message offlist and didn't know if you recieved it or if I have

the right email or if my computer is messed up. Can you let me know?? It was

about a genetecist in Toronto.

Thanks so much.

Betty

Re: physical therapy/shoulder

> I have some articles for you Sue, and will send them along!

>

> Jill

>

>

>

>

>

>

> To learn more about EDS, visit our website:

http://members.rogers.com/ceda2/

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue, My rib went out again last night while sleeping on my side. I woke up to

not being able to move or barely breath. When it happens it's always the same

spot for me. I did polarity on that spot in the front, I couldn't move to reach

to work in the back. I am sore now, but it has gone back in. Before learning the

polarity, (from Mike of course) this rib would hurt for 6 weeks. Now, in just a

few hours, it only hurts when I use the right arm or breath deeply. Now I can

try to reach the back were the rib attaches and take it a little furthur. It's

so nice to find such a gentle way to realign bones. Cindylouwho

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Her internal

med doc referred her to a PT, who has said she feels her collar bones

are malaligned, and that her rib is pushing her shoulder up and out

of place???

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue, My rib went out again last night while sleeping on my side. I woke up to

not being able to move or barely breath. When it happens it's always the same

spot for me. I did polarity on that spot in the front, I couldn't move to reach

to work in the back. I am sore now, but it has gone back in. Before learning the

polarity, (from Mike of course) this rib would hurt for 6 weeks. Now, in just a

few hours, it only hurts when I use the right arm or breath deeply. Now I can

try to reach the back were the rib attaches and take it a little furthur. It's

so nice to find such a gentle way to realign bones. Cindylouwho

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Her internal

med doc referred her to a PT, who has said she feels her collar bones

are malaligned, and that her rib is pushing her shoulder up and out

of place???

[Guest guest]

Cindy -

Do you have a Theracane? If not, you might want to consider getting

one because you could use it to reach the spots in back that you

can't reach otherwise.

As info, I am right in there this morning with the rest of you - I

have a couple that are grabbing me as well and have been bouncing

back and forth between self-treatment and working on posts this

morning.

If I had learned nothing else at all in my Polarity classes, that

Rib Head Release was worth the entire cost of the program by

itself. I have literally lost count of the number of times I have

used it now to be put ribs back in. If you figure between $40-60 a

shot for a chiro or osteo to do it, I probably have already

recovered the full cost from just working on myself and the family.

(And that doesn't even address the value of the X technique).

You are right about it being gentle. And when you consider how many

of us also have brittle bones (like me) and can avoid the risk of

getting your ribs cracked from a forceful thrust adjustment, it is

really a nice technique to know.

And yes, I have already replied to Sue but it hasn't posted yet.

Mike

[Guest guest]

Sue J.,

Did the Dr. do any x-rays to confirm the ribs are mallilined?

S.

physical therapy/shoulder

>

> Hi,

> I need some input about physical therapy. My grown daughter has EDS

Classical type, and her primary subluxations are with her shoulders. She has

chronic pain and a lot of crepitus. Her internal med doc referred her to a

PT, who has said she feels her collar bones are malaligned, and that her rib

is pushing her shoulder up and out of place??? She is doing a lot of deep

massage and electrical stimulation and is " trying to move that rib forward "

so her shoulder will go back into place. She is very sore, but hopeful this

will help as she has a really active beautiful 13 month old who is quite

busy.

> My knowledge of EDS and PT is that you strengthen the muscles around

the affected joint, not pressure on something else? I personally dislocated

several ribs in an auto accident and know how painful that is

firsthand.....it took months for them to move back. They are using

electrical stimulation also.

> What do you guys think? I don't have any articles to give her to take

to this therapist....maybe she is doing a great thing, maybe damaging her

worse. I just don't know. Even as an RN, I never knew what was helpful with

PT for myself. Until Dr. Levy just had me do hydrotherapy and isometrics,

everything else made me worse.

> Please give me input to help her....she is anxious to hear from

everyone here and to help the therapist help her.

>

> Thanks so much!

> Sue

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Did you send these, Jill?

Re: physical therapy/shoulder

> I have some articles for you Sue, and will send them along!

>

> Jill

>

>

>

>

>

> To learn more about EDS, visit our website:

http://members.rogers.com/ceda2/

>

[Guest guest]

Me, too, I want a copy, too, please.

> Did you send these, Jill?

> Re: physical therapy/shoulder

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>

> > I have some articles for you Sue, and will send them along!

> >

> > Jill

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To learn more about EDS, visit our website:

> http://members.rogers.com/ceda2/

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue, Indeed, I did. I guess you didn't get them?

I can send them again, no worries.

Jill

Re: physical therapy/shoulder

> I have some articles for you Sue, and will send them along!

>

> Jill

>

>

>

>

>

> To learn more about EDS, visit our website:

http://members.rogers.com/ceda2/

>