Re: *WHY -infrared sauna detox

[Guest guest]

Andy - I believe you...but WHY?

I get sick under infra-red, but I thought it was just wierd little me....

~inga

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> No-one should ever use an infrared sauna for detox.

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>> Anyone out there have a home infrared sauna? If so what brand and

>> what was the cost?

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>> Thanks,

>> Margie

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[Guest guest]

--- can you not use sauna with dmsa for detox? What is your opinion

as to why not to use? i have wondered if it was the " cure of the

day " since when you contact someone about these they are you to buy

it before you get a packet of info

leighanne

[Guest guest]

Regular saunas are fine, infrared saunas are not fine.

Andy . . . . . ..

> --- can you not use sauna with dmsa for detox? What is your opinion

> as to why not to use? i have wondered if it was the " cure of the

> day " since when you contact someone about these they are you to buy

> it before you get a packet of info

> leighanne

[Guest guest]

Why are infrared suanas " not fine " ? What is the problem with them?

thanks,

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> Regular saunas are fine, infrared saunas are not fine.

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> Andy . . . . . ..

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> > --- can you not use sauna with dmsa for detox? What is your

opinion

> > as to why not to use? i have wondered if it was the " cure of the

> > day " since when you contact someone about these they are you to

buy

> > it before you get a packet of info

> > leighanne

[Guest guest]

I just searched through the archives trying to answer my own

question. I can't believe how long it takes to search through a

couple thousand messages! Most of what I found just said, " Don't use

FIR saunas " but I did find two posts that said more. I'm posting them

here to save everyone else the time.

The messages are:

#115701

From: " andrewhallcutler " <AndyCutler@a...>

Date: Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:16 am

Subject: Re: FIR sauna

> Our whole family uses the FIR sauna by HighTech Health and we love

> it! Our son was diagnosed with Asperger's in Sept. 2003. We started

> using the sauna about 10 weeks ago. Our whole family uses it with no

> negative effects. When our son comes out after thirty (30) minutes,

> his body has a very distinctive metallic odor. We are seeing overall

> improvements to his condition, including but not limited to

> cognitive, behavior, attention, gait, appetite, sleep quality, etc.

I am glad you are among the lucky ones. I have heard from any number

who got worse rather than better using these saunas.

> We liked it so much we bought one for my Mom and Dad who are in

> their 70's. They really like it as well. We have no financial ties

> to this company nor do we do paid endorsements. Our recommendations

> are uncompensated. This is our personal experience and our personal

> opinion. My husband is a physician with 30 years experience and we

> did our research before making this decision. There are numerous

> peer-reviewed studies documenting the effectiveness benefits of

> using FIR sauna.

Apparently the research didn't involve actually reading any of the

articles cited in the advertising literature, as the ones I have

checked did not support the claims made.

Also it didn't involve checking the radiation spectrum, since most

power is emitted in the near infrared in this particular sauna. It

doesn't take a radiometer or spectrophotometer to do this since the

radiator surface area is small enough the stated power can only be

emitted at a high enough temperature that the radiant energy is mostly

not in the FIR. Any radiator you can actually see in a dark room is

not emitting much FIR compared to NIR.

> In looking back through the archives, the only

> caution from Dr. Andy Cutler that I could find regarding the use of

> saunas were his reminders about excessive heat and autistic children

> as many of them are heat intolerant and have difficult sweating

> (which is the body's mechanism for cooling itself).

This is correct.

All forms of sauna are inappropriate for people who don't sweat

appropriately.

Infrared saunas are inappropriate for all people. The exception is

those few that uniformly irradiate the body and transfer heat evenly.

I know of no commercial models that do this particularly well, aside

from the Heavenly Heat model which mostly does it by having infrared +

regular sauna with most of the actual heat transfer being by regular

(convection) sauna.

> I hope this helps.

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> Lujene G.

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> > I think FIR saunas need to be approached VERY cautiously. Andy

> > has

> > apprently heard from a vast number of mercury poisoned people who

> > had bad reactions in this type of sauna.

Yup.

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> > Yes, I have heard this. But where can I find his comments?

I repeated some of them here.

> > I

> > have spent over an hour trawling through the archives of perhaps

> > two years (no, I didn't go through every one, but I've found it

> > unable to get back to where I stopped, so do not feel inclined to

> > repeat the exercise). Any help anyone?

> > Jill.

AND # 95044

From: " andrewhallcutler " <AndyCutler@a...>

Date: Tue Oct 14, 2003 7:40 pm

Subject: Re: Andy, anyone...

They are not safe, they do not chelate, and the sales literature for

the popular brand contains very little information that is technically

accurate.

Andy . . . .. . . . . . . . . .

> Hi

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> why should FIR heaters/saunas never be used for mercury toxic people

- I thought they were a good safe method of chelating metals

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> I have a question regarding infrared heaters. In our bathroom we

have

> a wall mounted infrared heater. I don't know whether it's far-

> infrared, middle-infrared or near-infrared. It's only written

" INFRA "

> on it. Everyday when I take a bath I turn it on, and then I lie in

a

> hot tub with the heater pointed directly at me, around two meters

> away. Our small bathroom gets very hot and I sweat a lot in those

> parts of my body which are out of the water. I lie like that for

long

> periods, sometimes more than two hours. It's like my small

personal

> sauna, I really like it.

This may be OK - the issue is to have a reasonably uniform

distribution of heat on you - presumably the tub is hot and the air is

hot and the heater is hot and thus you are getting a nice, even heat

flux all over you, and you are in water so your sweat rate is really

high (since the sweat under water doesn't cool you) and the LAST thing

you want to do when using sweat detox is reduce your sweat rate by

letting it evaporate into cool dry air!!!

>I know that FIR (far-infrared) sauna should

> never be used by mercury toxic people, but only now it crossed my

> mind that what I'm doing might be dangerous too. I always thought

FIR

> sauna uses some kind of high-tech infrared heaters different

> than " regular " infrared. I'm still not sure. So here is my

question:

> CAN INFRARED HEATERS (OTHER THAN THOSE IN FIR SAUNA) ALSO BE

> DANGEROUS IF USED EXCESSIVELY, LIKE I'VE BEEN USING IT?????

If used to apply a high heat flus to a small part of the body I think

they can be a real problem. If used as you do I would expect them to

be generally OK. Far away, large area illuminated, uniform heating of

the body by one or more means. . . . . . . . . . .

> Thank you very much! B

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> > Regular saunas are fine, infrared saunas are not fine.

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> > Andy . . . . . ..

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> > > --- can you not use sauna with dmsa for detox? What is your

> opinion

> > > as to why not to use? i have wondered if it was the " cure of

the

> > > day " since when you contact someone about these they are you

to

> buy

> > > it before you get a packet of info

> > > leighanne

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the leg work here!

I thought if one does not sweat well, (caused by the mercury), that the sauna's

were good for that to help get the body to sweat. I have this problem. Guess I

thought that it would be a bonus to be able to push stuff out, not necessarily

mercury but other crud in there locked up and which doesn't come out as freely.

Is this not the case? I do love to get super hot in the shower, but will say it

does make me have to lie down for a few minutes when I get out...

Thanks,

Kari

[ ] Re: *WHY -infrared sauna detox

I just searched through the archives trying to answer my own

question. I can't believe how long it takes to search through a

couple thousand messages! Most of what I found just said, " Don't use

FIR saunas " but I did find two posts that said more. I'm posting them

here to save everyone else the time.