Re: Drs are so grrrrrrrrr at times

[Guest guest]

I was thinking of taking a small tape recorder with me and taping my

doctor everytime I go in from now on without his knowledge- would

this be considered illegal? Asks the legal assistant- ( laws

change )- gosh they sure can make you feel like a fool at times.

----------------

Depends on what you are going to do with it and how you are going to

use it. Would it be legal as evidence in a court proceeding?

Probably not because you would have to be able to prove that it was

his voice and not someone else trying to sound like him. For

starters.

It not only would not be legal but you could be criminally cited

yourself if you tried to tape a phone conversation with it without

his knowledge.

What would be perfectly legal, however, would be for you to bring it

with you to your next appointment and take it out right in front of

him and turn it on. Then, very innocently, you say something along

the lines of " I have been having so much trouble with my memory

lately that I decided I should just tape all this so I don't forget

anything. " Something like that.

Granted, it could really piss him off to the point where he suggests

you go see someone else. On the other hand, get that on tape and

wave it under his nose...

The main point is that there really isn't a whole lot he can say

about your taping everything in the open, whether he likes it or

not. And if he does object, it would make me wonder if I would want

to keep seeing him at all anyway.

[Guest guest]

You could always take a tape recorder, and say you keep forgetting things he

tells you. I think you HAVE to tell him you are recording him, and ask his

permission.

But, if you say you need it cause you can't remember anything lately, then he

may think something else is going on - too much meds, alzheimers, who knows what

- and send you to another dr or something.

You gotta be careful.

Maybe just have him write new instructions down for you. Take in a tablet, and

say, " wait - can we write this down? "

Good luck. This happens to me in a less important way. I'm sure I listen and

get the right instructions and information from my dr, then next time I see her,

things are not always as I remember. I'm sure it's not just me.

Hugs,

[Guest guest]

Oh- no - the recorder would not be for court purposes- I should have been more

explicit - I guess. I like this doctor a lot , he is super careful with me

etc......... I only meant using a recorder to kindly remind him that he did

indeed say what I said he said........

I honestly don't think he would mind me taping him, if I said it like you have

described below- that would be no problem..... guess the reason I said and hide

it was basically so when the nurse says oh no- the doctor would not say that or

do this, I could yank it out and say oh yah? How well do you know him? She

wouldnt give him the telephone, -I did ask if it were possible to speak with him

directly........ I think I will give that another shot this morning.

There are about six gals working there in the office- each doctor has one

secretary/nurse assigned to them..... well off and on- in the past as well- they

tend to think they have doctors powers I guess you could say.

A few times one would say- well - you should call before you are down to one

morphine pill left- sometimes it takes 3 days to get dr to write another script!

I said ok, so next time I called as she suggested, 5 days ahead- and got

hollered at for that- stating that she had never said that before and doctor

will not write it until you are down to one pill........ mercy- cant win for

losing - and if you mention that you were told otherwise whew they have

kittens......

I have my appointments set at every 3 months- which is great- but very painful

for me to get in /out of vehicles- sure was hoping the dosage up on morphine

would help with some of that- but so far no go but have only been on the higher

dose for one month- which though I did have to readjust as I went a week without

due to the nurses mix ups- and the pharmacists here really have a tizzy if you

tell them they miscalculated......... I am housebound and have family pick up my

medication and counted them this time- due to shortage last time and by golly,

it was short- 1 pill.......... no big deal right??? So called to make sure they

knew....... geesh- they swore up and down that was impossible and I must have a

drug addiction etc if I was worried about 1 pill - when they did fill it

properly......

Have given family instructions to have the pharmacist now count them out

twice- in front of them before they leave the drug shoppe........ I guess the

whole thing that is getting to me is they use the excuse that you are either

addicted or too foggy from meds to have possibly retained correct info........

and they will point the finger at the wrong person.......

I will deal with it by talking directly to the doctor- even if it means making

an earlier appointment- which right now my body doesnt really treasure the idea

but if its the only way I can talk to him directly- then I will do so and

definitely give him a report on how his secretary and nurses are handling

matters...... I bet he doesnt even know.

Thanks for the response- had to vent or explode-

Hugs TJ

Depends on what you are going to do with it and how you are going to

use it. Would it be legal as evidence in a court proceeding?

Probably not because you would have to be able to prove that it was

his voice and not someone else trying to sound like him. For

starters.

It not only would not be legal but you could be criminally cited

yourself if you tried to tape a phone conversation with it without

his knowledge.

What would be perfectly legal, however, would be for you to bring it

with you to your next appointment and take it out right in front of

him and turn it on. Then, very innocently, you say something along

the lines of " I have been having so much trouble with my memory

lately that I decided I should just tape all this so I don't forget

anything. " Something like that.

Granted, it could really piss him off to the point where he suggests

you go see someone else. On the other hand, get that on tape and

wave it under his nose...

The main point is that there really isn't a whole lot he can say

about your taping everything in the open, whether he likes it or

not. And if he does object, it would make me wonder if I would want

to keep seeing him at all anyway.

To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://www.ceda.ca

[Guest guest]

LOL yes, true- I do not want to be labeled as having alzheimers, and I

definitely do not need more doctor care. I just hate it when someone doesnt

believe me- I have no reason whatsoever to lie...... and honestly I do think he

needs to change the pain medication from lortab to something else- I still feel

I have built an immunity to it. The morphine helps yes- but sometimes I take a

few of the lorcet in between times to help take the edge off of the pain that

one still has that makes them so they can't sleep...... am sure you know what I

mean?

Hugs and thanks for the response-

TJ

Re: Drs are so grrrrrrrrr at times

You could always take a tape recorder, and say you keep forgetting things he

tells you. I think you HAVE to tell him you are recording him, and ask his

permission.

But, if you say you need it cause you can't remember anything lately, then he

may think something else is going on - too much meds, alzheimers, who knows what

- and send you to another dr or something.

You gotta be careful.

Maybe just have him write new instructions down for you. Take in a tablet,

and say, " wait - can we write this down? "

Good luck. This happens to me in a less important way. I'm sure I listen and

get the right instructions and information from my dr, then next time I see her,

things are not always as I remember. I'm sure it's not just me.

Hugs,

[Guest guest]

I too would tell him that you are taping your appointment from now on

as you do occasionally wonder when you leave if you have

misunderstood an instruction as you have so many things on your mind

when you see him that sometiimes things don't sink in and you wonder

later if you misheard, misunderstood or just didn't hear or take in

important information. Tell him that with everything going on in your

mind that you are trying to remember to ask him and to remember what

he says that you are going to tape it (if it is OK) to make youe life

easier and to rule out any misunderstand or missed instructions.

Good Luck and tape it, it makes life easier and even offer him a copy

of the tapes if he would like them at any time.

I too have though about doing this as I am sure that with everything

going on in my head and with the pain I am in etc that I miss

important information, suggestions and instructions and also for the

same reason , that I can prove that he said what he did and when I

leave he doesn't just conveniently forget or change his mind

Sharon

> You could always take a tape recorder, and say you keep forgetting

things he tells you. I think you HAVE to tell him you are recording

him, and ask his permission.

> But, if you say you need it cause you can't remember anything

lately, then he may think something else is going on - too much meds,

alzheimers, who knows what - and send you to another dr or something.

> You gotta be careful.

>

> Maybe just have him write new instructions down for you. Take in a

tablet, and say, " wait - can we write this down? "

>

> Good luck. This happens to me in a less important way. I'm sure I

listen and get the right instructions and information from my dr,

then next time I see her, things are not always as I remember. I'm

sure it's not just me.

>

> Hugs,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I too would tell him that you are taping your appointment from now on

as you do occasionally wonder when you leave if you have

misunderstood an instruction as you have so many things on your mind

when you see him that sometiimes things don't sink in and you wonder

later if you misheard, misunderstood or just didn't hear or take in

important information. Tell him that with everything going on in your

mind that you are trying to remember to ask him and to remember what

he says that you are going to tape it (if it is OK) to make youe life

easier and to rule out any misunderstand or missed instructions.

Good Luck and tape it, it makes life easier and even offer him a copy

of the tapes if he would like them at any time.

I too have though about doing this as I am sure that with everything

going on in my head and with the pain I am in etc that I miss

important information, suggestions and instructions and also for the

same reason , that I can prove that he said what he did and when I

leave he doesn't just conveniently forget or change his mind

Sharon

> You could always take a tape recorder, and say you keep forgetting

things he tells you. I think you HAVE to tell him you are recording

him, and ask his permission.

> But, if you say you need it cause you can't remember anything

lately, then he may think something else is going on - too much meds,

alzheimers, who knows what - and send you to another dr or something.

> You gotta be careful.

>

> Maybe just have him write new instructions down for you. Take in a

tablet, and say, " wait - can we write this down? "

>

> Good luck. This happens to me in a less important way. I'm sure I

listen and get the right instructions and information from my dr,

then next time I see her, things are not always as I remember. I'm

sure it's not just me.

>

> Hugs,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I too would tell him that you are taping your appointment from now on

as you do occasionally wonder when you leave if you have

misunderstood an instruction as you have so many things on your mind

when you see him that sometiimes things don't sink in and you wonder

later if you misheard, misunderstood or just didn't hear or take in

important information. Tell him that with everything going on in your

mind that you are trying to remember to ask him and to remember what

he says that you are going to tape it (if it is OK) to make youe life

easier and to rule out any misunderstand or missed instructions.

Good Luck and tape it, it makes life easier and even offer him a copy

of the tapes if he would like them at any time.

I too have though about doing this as I am sure that with everything

going on in my head and with the pain I am in etc that I miss

important information, suggestions and instructions and also for the

same reason , that I can prove that he said what he did and when I

leave he doesn't just conveniently forget or change his mind

Sharon

> You could always take a tape recorder, and say you keep forgetting

things he tells you. I think you HAVE to tell him you are recording

him, and ask his permission.

> But, if you say you need it cause you can't remember anything

lately, then he may think something else is going on - too much meds,

alzheimers, who knows what - and send you to another dr or something.

> You gotta be careful.

>

> Maybe just have him write new instructions down for you. Take in a

tablet, and say, " wait - can we write this down? "

>

> Good luck. This happens to me in a less important way. I'm sure I

listen and get the right instructions and information from my dr,

then next time I see her, things are not always as I remember. I'm

sure it's not just me.

>

> Hugs,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would be telling this nurse/secretary tht since she was NOT sitting

in on the appointment/consultation she CANNOT say what your doctor

did or did NOT say or do. And that you wish to speak to the doctor

directly and if she refuses and you think the doc is up for it, I

would have him tell the receptionists that when you ring they are to

put you through. You have a RIGHT to talk to your physician and not

to some nosy, know NOTHING secretary who is NOT a doctor or a part of

your private consultations with your doctor, it is ILLEGAL for her to

give you medical advice and to contradict your medical advice and as

she does NOT know what was said or aggreed upon between you and your

doctor she CANNOT comment on it.

I wold tape the consultations as well and refuse to have these/this

person run interference between you and your physician (especially as

you are house bound and travelling in a car etc is so painful), she

knows NOTHING about your medical probelms (except maybe what she has

read in your file (and reading does NOT convey understanding), i mean

if most if NOT ALL doctors do NOT understand what we go through then

this person certainly doesn't and what is NORMAL for most of this

doctors patients is NOT normal for you or anyone with EDS or a

chronic pai problem as we do take extrodinary amounts of pain killers

and are NOT drug addicts or seekers. I mean I take 160mg a day (100mg

at night and 60mg in the morning) and I have liquid codiene for

breakthrough pain and the choice to titre my MsContin dose about as

needed (I can up to double one or both of my doses if I need to).

Sharon

>

> Oh- no - the recorder would not be for court purposes- I should

have been more explicit - I guess. I like this doctor a lot , he is

super careful with me etc......... I only meant using a recorder to

kindly remind him that he did indeed say what I said he said........

> I honestly don't think he would mind me taping him, if I said it

like you have described below- that would be no problem..... guess

the reason I said and hide it was basically so when the nurse says oh

no- the doctor would not say that or do this, I could yank it out and

say oh yah? How well do you know him? She wouldnt give him the

telephone, -I did ask if it were possible to speak with him

directly........ I think I will give that another shot this morning.

>

> There are about six gals working there in the office- each doctor

has one secretary/nurse assigned to them..... well off and on- in the

past as well- they tend to think they have doctors powers I guess you

could say.

>

> A few times one would say- well - you should call before you are

down to one morphine pill left- sometimes it takes 3 days to get dr

to write another script! I said ok, so next time I called as she

suggested, 5 days ahead- and got hollered at for that- stating that

she had never said that before and doctor will not write it until you

are down to one pill........ mercy- cant win for losing - and if you

mention that you were told otherwise whew they have kittens......

>

> I have my appointments set at every 3 months- which is great- but

very painful for me to get in /out of vehicles- sure was hoping the

dosage up on morphine would help with some of that- but so far no go

but have only been on the higher dose for one month- which though I

did have to readjust as I went a week without due to the nurses mix

ups- and the pharmacists here really have a tizzy if you tell them

they miscalculated......... I am housebound and have family pick up

my medication and counted them this time- due to shortage last time

and by golly, it was short- 1 pill.......... no big deal right??? So

called to make sure they knew....... geesh- they swore up and down

that was impossible and I must have a drug addiction etc if I was

worried about 1 pill - when they did fill it properly......

>

> Have given family instructions to have the pharmacist now count

them out twice- in front of them before they leave the drug

shoppe........ I guess the whole thing that is getting to me is

they use the excuse that you are either addicted or too foggy from

meds to have possibly retained correct info........ and they will

point the finger at the wrong person.......

>

> I will deal with it by talking directly to the doctor- even if it

means making an earlier appointment- which right now my body doesnt

really treasure the idea but if its the only way I can talk to him

directly- then I will do so and definitely give him a report on how

his secretary and nurses are handling matters...... I bet he doesnt

even know.

>

> Thanks for the response- had to vent or explode-

> Hugs TJ

>

>

>

>

>

> Depends on what you are going to do with it and how you are going

to

> use it. Would it be legal as evidence in a court proceeding?

> Probably not because you would have to be able to prove that it

was

> his voice and not someone else trying to sound like him. For

> starters.

>

> It not only would not be legal but you could be criminally cited

> yourself if you tried to tape a phone conversation with it

without

> his knowledge.

>

> What would be perfectly legal, however, would be for you to bring

it

> with you to your next appointment and take it out right in front

of

> him and turn it on. Then, very innocently, you say something

along

> the lines of " I have been having so much trouble with my memory

> lately that I decided I should just tape all this so I don't

forget

> anything. " Something like that.

>

> Granted, it could really piss him off to the point where he

suggests

> you go see someone else. On the other hand, get that on tape and

> wave it under his nose...

>

> The main point is that there really isn't a whole lot he can say

> about your taping everything in the open, whether he likes it or

> not. And if he does object, it would make me wonder if I would

want

> to keep seeing him at all anyway.

>

>

>

> To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://www.ceda.ca

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would be telling this nurse/secretary tht since she was NOT sitting

in on the appointment/consultation she CANNOT say what your doctor

did or did NOT say or do. And that you wish to speak to the doctor

directly and if she refuses and you think the doc is up for it, I

would have him tell the receptionists that when you ring they are to

put you through. You have a RIGHT to talk to your physician and not

to some nosy, know NOTHING secretary who is NOT a doctor or a part of

your private consultations with your doctor, it is ILLEGAL for her to

give you medical advice and to contradict your medical advice and as

she does NOT know what was said or aggreed upon between you and your

doctor she CANNOT comment on it.

I wold tape the consultations as well and refuse to have these/this

person run interference between you and your physician (especially as

you are house bound and travelling in a car etc is so painful), she

knows NOTHING about your medical probelms (except maybe what she has

read in your file (and reading does NOT convey understanding), i mean

if most if NOT ALL doctors do NOT understand what we go through then

this person certainly doesn't and what is NORMAL for most of this

doctors patients is NOT normal for you or anyone with EDS or a

chronic pai problem as we do take extrodinary amounts of pain killers

and are NOT drug addicts or seekers. I mean I take 160mg a day (100mg

at night and 60mg in the morning) and I have liquid codiene for

breakthrough pain and the choice to titre my MsContin dose about as

needed (I can up to double one or both of my doses if I need to).

Sharon

>

> Oh- no - the recorder would not be for court purposes- I should

have been more explicit - I guess. I like this doctor a lot , he is

super careful with me etc......... I only meant using a recorder to

kindly remind him that he did indeed say what I said he said........

> I honestly don't think he would mind me taping him, if I said it

like you have described below- that would be no problem..... guess

the reason I said and hide it was basically so when the nurse says oh

no- the doctor would not say that or do this, I could yank it out and

say oh yah? How well do you know him? She wouldnt give him the

telephone, -I did ask if it were possible to speak with him

directly........ I think I will give that another shot this morning.

>

> There are about six gals working there in the office- each doctor

has one secretary/nurse assigned to them..... well off and on- in the

past as well- they tend to think they have doctors powers I guess you

could say.

>

> A few times one would say- well - you should call before you are

down to one morphine pill left- sometimes it takes 3 days to get dr

to write another script! I said ok, so next time I called as she

suggested, 5 days ahead- and got hollered at for that- stating that

she had never said that before and doctor will not write it until you

are down to one pill........ mercy- cant win for losing - and if you

mention that you were told otherwise whew they have kittens......

>

> I have my appointments set at every 3 months- which is great- but

very painful for me to get in /out of vehicles- sure was hoping the

dosage up on morphine would help with some of that- but so far no go

but have only been on the higher dose for one month- which though I

did have to readjust as I went a week without due to the nurses mix

ups- and the pharmacists here really have a tizzy if you tell them

they miscalculated......... I am housebound and have family pick up

my medication and counted them this time- due to shortage last time

and by golly, it was short- 1 pill.......... no big deal right??? So

called to make sure they knew....... geesh- they swore up and down

that was impossible and I must have a drug addiction etc if I was

worried about 1 pill - when they did fill it properly......

>

> Have given family instructions to have the pharmacist now count

them out twice- in front of them before they leave the drug

shoppe........ I guess the whole thing that is getting to me is

they use the excuse that you are either addicted or too foggy from

meds to have possibly retained correct info........ and they will

point the finger at the wrong person.......

>

> I will deal with it by talking directly to the doctor- even if it

means making an earlier appointment- which right now my body doesnt

really treasure the idea but if its the only way I can talk to him

directly- then I will do so and definitely give him a report on how

his secretary and nurses are handling matters...... I bet he doesnt

even know.

>

> Thanks for the response- had to vent or explode-

> Hugs TJ

>

>

>

>

>

> Depends on what you are going to do with it and how you are going

to

> use it. Would it be legal as evidence in a court proceeding?

> Probably not because you would have to be able to prove that it

was

> his voice and not someone else trying to sound like him. For

> starters.

>

> It not only would not be legal but you could be criminally cited

> yourself if you tried to tape a phone conversation with it

without

> his knowledge.

>

> What would be perfectly legal, however, would be for you to bring

it

> with you to your next appointment and take it out right in front

of

> him and turn it on. Then, very innocently, you say something

along

> the lines of " I have been having so much trouble with my memory

> lately that I decided I should just tape all this so I don't

forget

> anything. " Something like that.

>

> Granted, it could really piss him off to the point where he

suggests

> you go see someone else. On the other hand, get that on tape and

> wave it under his nose...

>

> The main point is that there really isn't a whole lot he can say

> about your taping everything in the open, whether he likes it or

> not. And if he does object, it would make me wonder if I would

want

> to keep seeing him at all anyway.

>

>

>

> To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://www.ceda.ca

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

Have given family instructions to have the pharmacist now count them

out twice- in front of them before they leave the drug

shoppe........ I guess the whole thing that is getting to me is

they use the excuse that you are either addicted or too foggy from

meds to have possibly retained correct info........ and they will

point the finger at the wrong person.......

>

Hi TJ,

My husband does this now when he gets his meds for Narcolepsy, only

because the pharmacy incisted. It's a controlled med, and like you,

he was shorted a couple times. It's for BOTH of your protection for

them to do this - someone from the pharmacy could be pilfering a pill

or two...if they know they're being counted right there, there's no

way they OR anyone else can sneak a pill! Good shot!

Love Lana

[Guest guest]

>

Have given family instructions to have the pharmacist now count them

out twice- in front of them before they leave the drug

shoppe........ I guess the whole thing that is getting to me is

they use the excuse that you are either addicted or too foggy from

meds to have possibly retained correct info........ and they will

point the finger at the wrong person.......

>

Hi TJ,

My husband does this now when he gets his meds for Narcolepsy, only

because the pharmacy incisted. It's a controlled med, and like you,

he was shorted a couple times. It's for BOTH of your protection for

them to do this - someone from the pharmacy could be pilfering a pill

or two...if they know they're being counted right there, there's no

way they OR anyone else can sneak a pill! Good shot!

Love Lana

[Guest guest]

Oh, I know!

My dr won't give me ANYTHING else. I take a total of 10mg of methadone a day.

It doesn't work, and I'm thinking I'm gonna get off it, cause it doesn't do the

trick.

So, what's the point?

I don't want to take the drugs, but I simply cannot function without them.

I do have good periods. This, my dr said, is the time to adjust the meds. Not

during a bad period, or else he'll be adjusting meds every time I have a bad

spell. (which I have more often than good).

He won't give me anything for the bad days either. I told him I took some

perocet one day when I couldn't stand it, and I was able to get on with things.

So, it just goes to show that I'm not getting enough meds to help me function.

But, he still won't give me any more.

It's all so frustrating.

So, in the mean time, I'm waiting to hear from the sleep dr, and find out if

there is something he's gonna do to help me. I'm hoping that if I do have a

sleep disorder, maybe getting that under control will help with the pain in the

long run. Maybe I'll be more able to get things done if I'm not so tired. When

I'm not so tired, maybe I'll be able to deal with the pain issues easier. You

know, like do my relaxation tapes, do my excercises, etc.

I do my relaxation tapes now, and end up falling asleep for a couple hours.

I can't do my exercises lately cause I hurt.

It's this spiral, that's slowly pulling me down.

Anyway, I like my pain dr too. A lot. He and his nurse are both very

compassionate, caring, understanding, etc.

But, I wish he could just see things my way. But, I suppose he wants me to see

things his way.

I got off the subject a bit, but oh well.

Good luck to you.

Hugs,

[Guest guest]

Oh, I know!

My dr won't give me ANYTHING else. I take a total of 10mg of methadone a day.

It doesn't work, and I'm thinking I'm gonna get off it, cause it doesn't do the

trick.

So, what's the point?

I don't want to take the drugs, but I simply cannot function without them.

I do have good periods. This, my dr said, is the time to adjust the meds. Not

during a bad period, or else he'll be adjusting meds every time I have a bad

spell. (which I have more often than good).

He won't give me anything for the bad days either. I told him I took some

perocet one day when I couldn't stand it, and I was able to get on with things.

So, it just goes to show that I'm not getting enough meds to help me function.

But, he still won't give me any more.

It's all so frustrating.

So, in the mean time, I'm waiting to hear from the sleep dr, and find out if

there is something he's gonna do to help me. I'm hoping that if I do have a

sleep disorder, maybe getting that under control will help with the pain in the

long run. Maybe I'll be more able to get things done if I'm not so tired. When

I'm not so tired, maybe I'll be able to deal with the pain issues easier. You

know, like do my relaxation tapes, do my excercises, etc.

I do my relaxation tapes now, and end up falling asleep for a couple hours.

I can't do my exercises lately cause I hurt.

It's this spiral, that's slowly pulling me down.

Anyway, I like my pain dr too. A lot. He and his nurse are both very

compassionate, caring, understanding, etc.

But, I wish he could just see things my way. But, I suppose he wants me to see

things his way.

I got off the subject a bit, but oh well.

Good luck to you.

Hugs,

[Guest guest]

Oh, I know!

My dr won't give me ANYTHING else. I take a total of 10mg of methadone a day.

It doesn't work, and I'm thinking I'm gonna get off it, cause it doesn't do the

trick.

So, what's the point?

I don't want to take the drugs, but I simply cannot function without them.

I do have good periods. This, my dr said, is the time to adjust the meds. Not

during a bad period, or else he'll be adjusting meds every time I have a bad

spell. (which I have more often than good).

He won't give me anything for the bad days either. I told him I took some

perocet one day when I couldn't stand it, and I was able to get on with things.

So, it just goes to show that I'm not getting enough meds to help me function.

But, he still won't give me any more.

It's all so frustrating.

So, in the mean time, I'm waiting to hear from the sleep dr, and find out if

there is something he's gonna do to help me. I'm hoping that if I do have a

sleep disorder, maybe getting that under control will help with the pain in the

long run. Maybe I'll be more able to get things done if I'm not so tired. When

I'm not so tired, maybe I'll be able to deal with the pain issues easier. You

know, like do my relaxation tapes, do my excercises, etc.

I do my relaxation tapes now, and end up falling asleep for a couple hours.

I can't do my exercises lately cause I hurt.

It's this spiral, that's slowly pulling me down.

Anyway, I like my pain dr too. A lot. He and his nurse are both very

compassionate, caring, understanding, etc.

But, I wish he could just see things my way. But, I suppose he wants me to see

things his way.

I got off the subject a bit, but oh well.

Good luck to you.

Hugs,

[Guest guest]

TJ

SO sorry you are having such a rough time. You know how I feel about some

Dr's. Why oh why aren't there more who are more sympathetic to " us " . Itruly

hope things get better for you.

Take care

Betty

Drs are so grrrrrrrrr at times

> I was thinking of taking a small tape recorder with me and taping my

doctor everytime I go in from now on without his knowledge- would this be

considered illegal? Asks the legal assistant- ( laws change )- gosh they

sure can make you feel like a fool at times.

>

> I did as he told me to do and now he claims he said oppositie.

> Call me - he said- when the lorcet is gone- dont even refill the second

bottle- just wont be worth it, you are going to obviously need a larger

amount and it wouldnt be worth the pharmacists time , yours or mine for you

to just refill that 90 day bottle- ok......... I do as told- he said he

never said it and I get treated as if I am a drug addict- she said ( the

secretary) I know him- he would never suggest such a thing for a person who

is on 90 mgs of morphine....... I said hmmmmmmmm.. so you are saying I am

making this up? No but there must be a misunderstanding- Yes- I'd say-

doctor is messing his patients up or something........ She suggested if I am

in so much pain yet that I am unable to sleep that perhaps I should come in

before my next appointment..........

>

> He is a sweetie in person- careful with me etc- but seems once I leave

that office, talks are forgotten and I end up feeling like they think I

relish taking medications just to be able to get thru each hour..........

>

> Darn near trashed all the meds and SSI stuff- am tired of deadlines- and

accusations - while I hurt- cant they see putting deadlines on someone that

has no idea if they will be able to sit in a chair for longer than a few

short minutes is stressing who they say to stay out of stress??

>

> Sorry- Just couldnt sleep again due to pain and all what the secretary

said on the phone made my hair stand up straight again...........did she

make me an earlier appointment? No- I did mention well ya know- you guys

have had me on lorcet a long time- what about immunity, could it be possible

Ive built an immunity to it, because it is really no longer a relief- she

said - Oh I suppose that could be- I will talk to dr and see what he says.

Did I hear back from her? Nope--

>

> Hope everyone is sleeping peacefully-

> Hugs TJ

>

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TJ

SO sorry you are having such a rough time. You know how I feel about some

Dr's. Why oh why aren't there more who are more sympathetic to " us " . Itruly

hope things get better for you.

Take care

Betty

Drs are so grrrrrrrrr at times

> I was thinking of taking a small tape recorder with me and taping my

doctor everytime I go in from now on without his knowledge- would this be

considered illegal? Asks the legal assistant- ( laws change )- gosh they

sure can make you feel like a fool at times.

>

> I did as he told me to do and now he claims he said oppositie.

> Call me - he said- when the lorcet is gone- dont even refill the second

bottle- just wont be worth it, you are going to obviously need a larger

amount and it wouldnt be worth the pharmacists time , yours or mine for you

to just refill that 90 day bottle- ok......... I do as told- he said he

never said it and I get treated as if I am a drug addict- she said ( the

secretary) I know him- he would never suggest such a thing for a person who

is on 90 mgs of morphine....... I said hmmmmmmmm.. so you are saying I am

making this up? No but there must be a misunderstanding- Yes- I'd say-

doctor is messing his patients up or something........ She suggested if I am

in so much pain yet that I am unable to sleep that perhaps I should come in

before my next appointment..........

>

> He is a sweetie in person- careful with me etc- but seems once I leave

that office, talks are forgotten and I end up feeling like they think I

relish taking medications just to be able to get thru each hour..........

>

> Darn near trashed all the meds and SSI stuff- am tired of deadlines- and

accusations - while I hurt- cant they see putting deadlines on someone that

has no idea if they will be able to sit in a chair for longer than a few

short minutes is stressing who they say to stay out of stress??

>

> Sorry- Just couldnt sleep again due to pain and all what the secretary

said on the phone made my hair stand up straight again...........did she

make me an earlier appointment? No- I did mention well ya know- you guys

have had me on lorcet a long time- what about immunity, could it be possible

Ive built an immunity to it, because it is really no longer a relief- she

said - Oh I suppose that could be- I will talk to dr and see what he says.

Did I hear back from her? Nope--

>

> Hope everyone is sleeping peacefully-

> Hugs TJ

>

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TJ

SO sorry you are having such a rough time. You know how I feel about some

Dr's. Why oh why aren't there more who are more sympathetic to " us " . Itruly

hope things get better for you.

Take care

Betty

Drs are so grrrrrrrrr at times

> I was thinking of taking a small tape recorder with me and taping my

doctor everytime I go in from now on without his knowledge- would this be

considered illegal? Asks the legal assistant- ( laws change )- gosh they

sure can make you feel like a fool at times.

>

> I did as he told me to do and now he claims he said oppositie.

> Call me - he said- when the lorcet is gone- dont even refill the second

bottle- just wont be worth it, you are going to obviously need a larger

amount and it wouldnt be worth the pharmacists time , yours or mine for you

to just refill that 90 day bottle- ok......... I do as told- he said he

never said it and I get treated as if I am a drug addict- she said ( the

secretary) I know him- he would never suggest such a thing for a person who

is on 90 mgs of morphine....... I said hmmmmmmmm.. so you are saying I am

making this up? No but there must be a misunderstanding- Yes- I'd say-

doctor is messing his patients up or something........ She suggested if I am

in so much pain yet that I am unable to sleep that perhaps I should come in

before my next appointment..........

>

> He is a sweetie in person- careful with me etc- but seems once I leave

that office, talks are forgotten and I end up feeling like they think I

relish taking medications just to be able to get thru each hour..........

>

> Darn near trashed all the meds and SSI stuff- am tired of deadlines- and

accusations - while I hurt- cant they see putting deadlines on someone that

has no idea if they will be able to sit in a chair for longer than a few

short minutes is stressing who they say to stay out of stress??

>

> Sorry- Just couldnt sleep again due to pain and all what the secretary

said on the phone made my hair stand up straight again...........did she

make me an earlier appointment? No- I did mention well ya know- you guys

have had me on lorcet a long time- what about immunity, could it be possible

Ive built an immunity to it, because it is really no longer a relief- she

said - Oh I suppose that could be- I will talk to dr and see what he says.

Did I hear back from her? Nope--

>

> Hope everyone is sleeping peacefully-

> Hugs TJ

>

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[Guest guest]

Is there another pharmacy nearby that you could use instead (even if

it is a different branch of the same pharmacy)? I know where I live

there seems to be a pharmacy on every corner. That would probably

stop the shortages. Just a thought...

>

> I am housebound and have family pick up my medication and

counted them this time- due to shortage last time and by golly, it

was short- 1 pill.......... no big deal right??? So called to make

sure they knew....... geesh- they swore up and down that was

impossible and I must have a drug addiction etc if I was worried

about 1 pill - when they did fill it properly......

>

> Have given family instructions to have the pharmacist now count

them out twice- in front of them before they leave the drug

shoppe........ I guess the whole thing that is getting to me is

they use the excuse that you are either addicted or too foggy from

meds to have possibly retained correct info........ and they will

point the finger at the wrong person.......

>

[Guest guest]

Is there another pharmacy nearby that you could use instead (even if

it is a different branch of the same pharmacy)? I know where I live

there seems to be a pharmacy on every corner. That would probably

stop the shortages. Just a thought...

>

> I am housebound and have family pick up my medication and

counted them this time- due to shortage last time and by golly, it

was short- 1 pill.......... no big deal right??? So called to make

sure they knew....... geesh- they swore up and down that was

impossible and I must have a drug addiction etc if I was worried

about 1 pill - when they did fill it properly......

>

> Have given family instructions to have the pharmacist now count

them out twice- in front of them before they leave the drug

shoppe........ I guess the whole thing that is getting to me is

they use the excuse that you are either addicted or too foggy from

meds to have possibly retained correct info........ and they will

point the finger at the wrong person.......

>

[Guest guest]

Is there another pharmacy nearby that you could use instead (even if

it is a different branch of the same pharmacy)? I know where I live

there seems to be a pharmacy on every corner. That would probably

stop the shortages. Just a thought...

>

> I am housebound and have family pick up my medication and

counted them this time- due to shortage last time and by golly, it

was short- 1 pill.......... no big deal right??? So called to make

sure they knew....... geesh- they swore up and down that was

impossible and I must have a drug addiction etc if I was worried

about 1 pill - when they did fill it properly......

>

> Have given family instructions to have the pharmacist now count

them out twice- in front of them before they leave the drug

shoppe........ I guess the whole thing that is getting to me is

they use the excuse that you are either addicted or too foggy from

meds to have possibly retained correct info........ and they will

point the finger at the wrong person.......

>

[Guest guest]

Re: Re: Drs are so grrrrrrrrr at times

and the pharmacists here really have a tizzy if you tell them they

miscalculated......... I am housebound and have family pick up my medication and

counted them this time- due to shortage last time and by golly, it was short- 1

pill..........

TJ - I can feel for you. My FIL, who died of Lou Gehrig's Disease (ALS), was

on a medication to help control his ALS. He was shorted in the past by Walgreens

on my MIL's meds (Zoloft) before, so he got smart and would mark on the calendar

the day he started taking the expensive ALS meds. He would also count them out

to be sure. One month he was shorted TEN pills at $15.00 a pill which came out

to $150.00. I called the pharmacy, went down in person, talked several times to

the manager, and got NO WHERE!!! They said it couldn't have happened because

they opened a new bottle from the shelf. Apparently they didn't even count the

pills...just repackaged them into one of there bottles.

Just wanted to let you know that you are not the only one who has been

shortened....

[Guest guest]

Re: Re: Drs are so grrrrrrrrr at times

and the pharmacists here really have a tizzy if you tell them they

miscalculated......... I am housebound and have family pick up my medication and

counted them this time- due to shortage last time and by golly, it was short- 1

pill..........

TJ - I can feel for you. My FIL, who died of Lou Gehrig's Disease (ALS), was

on a medication to help control his ALS. He was shorted in the past by Walgreens

on my MIL's meds (Zoloft) before, so he got smart and would mark on the calendar

the day he started taking the expensive ALS meds. He would also count them out

to be sure. One month he was shorted TEN pills at $15.00 a pill which came out

to $150.00. I called the pharmacy, went down in person, talked several times to

the manager, and got NO WHERE!!! They said it couldn't have happened because

they opened a new bottle from the shelf. Apparently they didn't even count the

pills...just repackaged them into one of there bottles.

Just wanted to let you know that you are not the only one who has been

shortened....

[Guest guest]

Re: Re: Drs are so grrrrrrrrr at times

and the pharmacists here really have a tizzy if you tell them they

miscalculated......... I am housebound and have family pick up my medication and

counted them this time- due to shortage last time and by golly, it was short- 1

pill..........

TJ - I can feel for you. My FIL, who died of Lou Gehrig's Disease (ALS), was

on a medication to help control his ALS. He was shorted in the past by Walgreens

on my MIL's meds (Zoloft) before, so he got smart and would mark on the calendar

the day he started taking the expensive ALS meds. He would also count them out

to be sure. One month he was shorted TEN pills at $15.00 a pill which came out

to $150.00. I called the pharmacy, went down in person, talked several times to

the manager, and got NO WHERE!!! They said it couldn't have happened because

they opened a new bottle from the shelf. Apparently they didn't even count the

pills...just repackaged them into one of there bottles.

Just wanted to let you know that you are not the only one who has been

shortened....

[Guest guest]

I have a really simple answer to this...

Just ask the doc to write the instructions down (IN HIS HANDWRITING).

There is not a doctor in the world that would refuse when they are dealing

with drugs - pain and triplicates!!!!

Besides, when you are taking pain medication you may not be clear too ... it

is a great safety net for you when you get home. Keep it in a file and take

the file with you each time you go.

Simple!

Debbi

[Guest guest]

I have to go thru several pharmacies most times........ but most come from the

closest one...... Rite-Aid and handy as I do refills online. But most did not

carry what the doctor would put me on so would have to wait a few days for them

to order it, giving me re-adjustment time to the med and/or have my parents

drive yet another 30 miles out of their way just to get them.

Is there another pharmacy nearby that you could use instead (even if

it is a different branch of the same pharmacy)? I know where I live

there seems to be a pharmacy on every corner. That would probably

stop the shortages. Just a thought...

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