Guest guest Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 In a message dated 4/28/2004 13:23:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mike@... writes: And at the risk of getting my face slapped, the psychological component has to do with the post surgery phenomonom known as " standing proud. " ********* No face slapping here. You are right. It is funny I can spot a recently post-op woman a mile away .... tight tank top with shoulders back so far she will fall if she is not careful! LOL! The odd thing is that it is just the opposite with me! My first several days " out " I had the strangest experiences. You might say they were " head-snapping " experiences! LOL! Mind you I did not go from a VERY modest B to a jaw dropping DDDD cup but heads were snapping non the less. For many reasons I choose to let my surgeon decide on " size " but mostly because size was not what I was after...I have very broad shoulders and a small waist. At 5'3 " and no chest I felt well, just not finished! The surgery was decided on and the sized left to the surgeon because I wanted to be proportioned correctly and felt he had the best eye for that. Looking back I think it was, as you say, " standing proud " that may have made heads turn at first but it was not intentional. I was not out there in a Hooters T-shirt and the reaction I got was, upsetting.. I guess you would say. Funny ... typing it sounds strange but it is true. Now I am not going to lie and say it was, " oh my gosh ... just so awful to see those guys slam the sides of their heads into light stands " . LOL! But what I will say is that it was such a change from what I had been used to for 35 years it took me back. A second glance everyone and a while at my gorgeous ballerina legs was not too uncommon. ***she says modestly** But for some reason that was a complement and I loved it. Since I have had my augmentation my legs are simply what my boobs stand on! Aughhhhhhhhhhhhh! I HATE that! Men! I digress... I had an augmentation before it was " fashionable " . It has been so many years now I cant even count. Obviously the initial reaction memory lingers on and because of this I do not " stand proud " all the time as you would expect. My Rheumy was concerned about my bad posture and how it had effected and would continue to effect my EDS issues. I now sort of cave in my chest which makes my shoulders kind of move up and in toward my ears. This, I am sure, evolved unconsciously. So anyway.... I did not catch on to this evolution of my compromising posture over the first year or so after my surgery and it sort of stuck. Kind of like when your mom tells you if you keep your eyes crossed they will stay that way! LOL! Well,... I now have to constantly think about standing up straight like I should normally. My dad is so funny ... you would think that dad's would not want their daughter to " be out there " but he constantly gives me glances that I know he means to stand up straight and be proud of my terrifically now balanced body! Funny huh? Well,... I just reread this ... hum... I am debating if I should post. I wonder if there are others out there that have had the same experience as I and now have crappie posture without knowing it? Maybe and this might trigger something... OK gonna post! Debbi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Because I had been told that I had a length discrepancy, I ... called my Rheumy to see if I...had had...tests that " proved " my leg was shorter...He did confirm this and also said that it is NOT common for a physician to request such a test. It takes quite a while on the table (xray) and is generally not covered under today's " insurance plans " The fifth...was that I have bilateral breast augmentation and this has (unbeknown to me) changed my posture dramatically. **He made me bring in pictures of myself standing prior to the augmentation to show me what he meant) But that is a different post entirely!** There has to be a reason that my ....{{{OK... I am going to show my ignorance in medicine here...}}}The ligaments that hold your butt connected to your back bone (what ever that is called) keeps slipping " off and out " which causes my hip/pelvas to " dislocate " . ---------------------- Too frequently there is just a " visual " assessment and a " diagnosis " is made based on a totally incorrect assumption. Note that I deliberately said " assumption. " If the assumption is wrong, then it follows that the " prescribed " treatment protocol will also be wrong. I refer once again to the 15 years that Barb went through with her legs and posture. Just thinking about it is enough to trigger TMJ from gritting my teeth. And your comments about time, expense and not being covered by insurance as reasons why the correct tests are generally not done is smack on target. I obviously don't and can't " diagnose " anybody, even in person, but especially not over the internet. All I am trying to do is point out other possibilities that all too frequently are not even considered by primary care providers. List members reading these posts can then take that information and apply it or not apply it to their own situations. Maybe it gives someone a question to ask or a direction to check. As for the augmentations, of course that will change your posture. It will change it from both a physiological and psychological perspective. An entirely different set of physical " lines of force " will act on your body afterwards. And at the risk of getting my face slapped, the psychological component has to do with the post surgery phenomonom known as " standing proud. " As for the last issue (the " what connects the butt bone to the back bone " question), there are several muscle/ligament possibilities and I can't really tell which based on just your above comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 In a message dated 4/28/2004 20:48:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mike@... writes: On the other hand, after she also insisted I learn how to do spa body wraps and salt scrubs, she put her foot down *************** LOL! It is all about boundaries! Right? Very good save commenting on the " lateral rotation in her lumbar spine " ! You can use " the business " to " give the business " and no one would ever know.... save your loving wife I am sure. My ex-husband (when we were courting) used to say " wow, tall lady " with this cute little smirk till I got wise when he said it toward a very petite woman. Barely holding his laughter he said he was wondering when I was going to figure out his " figure of speach " . A good jab in the ribs .... And wa-la we never seemed to see " tall ladies " again! Debbi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 In a message dated 4/28/2004 22:34:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mike@... writes: The easiest one, and one of the best, is to simply clasp your hands behind your back at butt level and then try to touch your shoulder blades together. ************ That sounds wonderful and seems like it would feel great too. Problem ... at least right now ... as I posted Monday I have torn ligaments in my left shoulder (trying to catch my computer from falling off a TV tray) and the RSD in my hand had come back. Pulling my shoulder blades like that would hurt like heck. When you are here can you show me? I will have had 3 weeks of healing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 When you are here can you show me? ------------ That one and a couple of others. Clasping behind your back obviously takes both hands/arms and you can't do that one at the moment. The other one(s) I will show you involve one side at a time and stepping into a doorway. Again, it is easier to demo than describe. Basically, you have upper, middle and lower fibers in the pec major muscle. Each section performs slightly different muscle actions. At any rate, you do a high, middle and low routine. You start by putting your hand on the door jamb at a height above your head and then, while pushing with your hand to create resistence, you step into the doorway. You repeat the motion but with your hand at shoulder height for the middle fibers and at about solar plexus height for the lower fibers. You work one side of the body and then the other. You can do 3-5 stretches at each hand position or more if you feel like it. It is a highly recommended stretch. I rarely use it; I like the hand clasp one better. One reason I particularly like the hand clasp version is that you can do it anywhere, without needing the prop of a doorway. It also doesn't look so obvious that you are doing some kind of isometric exercise. (I have an image to maintain - not exercising is part of that image). The doorway stretch specifically targets pec major. The hand clasp specifically targets pec minor. Both stretches work both muscles except there is more specific focus depending on which one you are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 When you are here can you show me? ------------ That one and a couple of others. Clasping behind your back obviously takes both hands/arms and you can't do that one at the moment. The other one(s) I will show you involve one side at a time and stepping into a doorway. Again, it is easier to demo than describe. Basically, you have upper, middle and lower fibers in the pec major muscle. Each section performs slightly different muscle actions. At any rate, you do a high, middle and low routine. You start by putting your hand on the door jamb at a height above your head and then, while pushing with your hand to create resistence, you step into the doorway. You repeat the motion but with your hand at shoulder height for the middle fibers and at about solar plexus height for the lower fibers. You work one side of the body and then the other. You can do 3-5 stretches at each hand position or more if you feel like it. It is a highly recommended stretch. I rarely use it; I like the hand clasp one better. One reason I particularly like the hand clasp version is that you can do it anywhere, without needing the prop of a doorway. It also doesn't look so obvious that you are doing some kind of isometric exercise. (I have an image to maintain - not exercising is part of that image). The doorway stretch specifically targets pec major. The hand clasp specifically targets pec minor. Both stretches work both muscles except there is more specific focus depending on which one you are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 When you are here can you show me? ------------ That one and a couple of others. Clasping behind your back obviously takes both hands/arms and you can't do that one at the moment. The other one(s) I will show you involve one side at a time and stepping into a doorway. Again, it is easier to demo than describe. Basically, you have upper, middle and lower fibers in the pec major muscle. Each section performs slightly different muscle actions. At any rate, you do a high, middle and low routine. You start by putting your hand on the door jamb at a height above your head and then, while pushing with your hand to create resistence, you step into the doorway. You repeat the motion but with your hand at shoulder height for the middle fibers and at about solar plexus height for the lower fibers. You work one side of the body and then the other. You can do 3-5 stretches at each hand position or more if you feel like it. It is a highly recommended stretch. I rarely use it; I like the hand clasp one better. One reason I particularly like the hand clasp version is that you can do it anywhere, without needing the prop of a doorway. It also doesn't look so obvious that you are doing some kind of isometric exercise. (I have an image to maintain - not exercising is part of that image). The doorway stretch specifically targets pec major. The hand clasp specifically targets pec minor. Both stretches work both muscles except there is more specific focus depending on which one you are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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