Re: SELENOMETHIONINE (ANDY?)

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My plea for help about feeling like an incapacitated mental/emotional wreck

lately was intercepted by and ANDREW from WHO____KNOWS site.

He suggested that I stop chelatig immediately. (which I did not) That I

should go SCD ( I really don't do grains) and that instead I should

supplement with selenium as it binds better with Hg than chelating can,

which only causes more damage. (I am not sayig I believe this, or that I

don't. I just want more input becasue of what happened to me next:

Now, I am already taking selenium, but he said it needs to be

selenomethionine and I cross referenced that with the info in AMALGAM

ILLNESS. The book also said to take selenometionine, so I went and bought

some.

I took maybe about 20 mg form a 100 mg capsule and soon thereafter went into

attack from it just like I did when I took some NAC(NAC almost killed me).

I read that selenomethionine becomes cysteine after it gives up its methyl

group.

SO what's the scooop on selenomethionine. It sounds like such a great thing

to take!!! Can some people like me just not tolerate it because of high

plasma cysteine? Or could something else be going on.

Any comments apprciated

~Inga

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It is a supporter of Methionine and the METH products supports the

Methlyation

pathway, one sulfur pathway in your system. You might have an

overproduction

of methionine in your system. Did you figure out what kind of liver phase

you

have? That would be one clue for starters.

Liz D.

> [Original Message]

> From: Ingrid Mager <wolfiebear@...>

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> Date: 10/28/2004 12:04:35 PM

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: SELENOMETHIONINE (ANDY?)

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> What is the METH part of selenomethionine and other things with the prefix

> and suffix METH in it, and what does that do in the body?

> ~Inga

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Thank you. It was helpful.

~Inga

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on 10/28/04 11:13 PM, Rabbitbrain@... at Rabbitbrain@...

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> Here a link that explain the problems with too much cysteine.

> http://www.cfsn.com/sulph.html

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>> [Original Message]

>> From: Ingrid Mager <wolfiebear@...>

>> < >

>> Date: 10/28/2004 12:10:48 PM

>> Subject: Re: [ ] SELENOMETHIONINE (ANDY?)

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>> Dear Not Andy, (LOL)

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>> I did not UP the does but tool selenomethionine for the first time at

> about

>> 6:00 PM...about 20 mcgs out of the capsule.

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>> This is the first time I have tried it.....it was almost like NAC which I

>> think came close to killing me, as I took an entire capsule.

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>> I would love to know what is going on here. High plasma cysteine, I

>> guess...so is that releasing a bunch of mercury then?

>>

>> I am totally fine with yeast based selenium. My question is, does that

> form

>> help?

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>> ~inga

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Here a link that explain the problems with too much cysteine.

http://www.cfsn.com/sulph.html

> [Original Message]

> From: Ingrid Mager <wolfiebear@...>

> < >

> Date: 10/28/2004 12:10:48 PM

> Subject: Re: [ ] SELENOMETHIONINE (ANDY?)

>

>

> Dear Not Andy, (LOL)

>

> I did not UP the does but tool selenomethionine for the first time at

about

> 6:00 PM...about 20 mcgs out of the capsule.

>

> This is the first time I have tried it.....it was almost like NAC which I

> think came close to killing me, as I took an entire capsule.

>

> I would love to know what is going on here. High plasma cysteine, I

> guess...so is that releasing a bunch of mercury then?

>

> I am totally fine with yeast based selenium. My question is, does that

form

> help?

>

> ~inga

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My answer to this is " Hmmmmm..... " as in a lot of physiology as it

affects given people simply isn't that easy to figure out.

If something makes you feel bad it is probably not a good idea to take

it.

In many situations if taking something helps it IS a good idea to take

it.

The risk with selenite is that it is prooxidant. If taken in modest

amounts this risk is controlled, and high cysteine people do have a lot

of thiol antioxidant around (cysteine is an antoixdant similar to

glutathione, in fact the antioxidant power of glutathione comes from

the cysteinyl group in the middle of it) and other effects of the

selenite may more than outweigh the oxidative stress it causes.

The specific use of selenite in lab animals is to induce cataracts,

people with cataracts would be well advised to avoid it no matter what,

in this kind of situation I think it may be worth considering the use

of, or possibly trying if you don't tolerate selenomethionine or

selenium yeast and want some selenium supplementation.

Andy . .. . . . . . . .

> , Inga & anyone else who has taken selenomethione,

>

> Years ago, when I first took liquid sodium selenite, it made me feel so much

better. I wasn't taking any other supplements at the time so knew it was the

selenite. I more or less stopped taking it because Andy says it shouldn't be

used. Andy recommended that I use selenomethionine, but felt crummy when I took

it. Tried it twice, so I quit taking it. Once in a while I take sodium

selenite again, and feel fine but I always wonder if I should be taking it.

>

> I also have high plasma cysteine levels.

>

> Janet McAuley

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Inga, Have you ever tried taurine? I think it is made at the end

of the Methylation pathway but is supposed to be calming.

Don't take my words exactly because everyone might respond

differently in any case. But I read that taurine is helpful in people

with seizure disorders. Did you read anything about taurine that

might be helpful to you?

Liz D.

> [Original Message]

> From: Ingrid Mager <wolfiebear@...>

> < >

> Date: 10/28/2004 11:02:14 PM

> Subject: Re: [ ] SELENOMETHIONINE (ANDY?)

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> Thank you. It was helpful.

> ~Inga

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Y E S !

Just got some taurine yesterday and started taking little bits of it, and by

morning my anxiety was lifting and continued getting better as I took more

throughout the day. I have only taken one 500mg capsule total and am feeling

SOOOO much better.

Amazing! I feel almost like myself again! Hooray!

No, I did not know that taurine was supposed to be helpful in seizure

disorders. I only saw that it can help with anxiety, and did it ever! If it

helps me in other ways too, what a boon that will be! I have problems with

my heart and tachycardia when I go into attacks, although those have gotten

fewer, of lesser magnitude, and much further in between. Maybe the taurine

will help put an end to that completely. I can only hope!

I have some very difficult situations in my life right now that would be

rought to handle for even the strongest and healthiest of people, and so

having to deal with mercury problems on top of that is challenging to say

the least. Taking taurine may just be the ticket for a smoother ride.

Thank you for your caring concern, Liz.

~Inga

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on 10/29/04 3:19 PM, Rabbitbrain@... at Rabbitbrain@...

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> Inga, Have you ever tried taurine? I think it is made at the end

> of the Methylation pathway but is supposed to be calming.

> Don't take my words exactly because everyone might respond

> differently in any case. But I read that taurine is helpful in people

> with seizure disorders. Did you read anything about taurine that

> might be helpful to you?

>

> Liz D.

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>> [Original Message]

>> From: Ingrid Mager <wolfiebear@...>

>> < >

>> Date: 10/28/2004 11:02:14 PM

>> Subject: Re: [ ] SELENOMETHIONINE (ANDY?)

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>> Thank you. It was helpful.

>> ~Inga

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You know, I would be careful. I think taurine can be really good, but I think in

my son who doesn't have seizures, it might have caused one minor one. He was

asleep and did a sudden jerking movement, really banging his head hard on the

head board.

Dagmar.

Re: [ ] SELENOMETHIONINE (ANDY?)

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>> Thank you. It was helpful.

>> ~Inga

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Inga, I am so Glaaaaad this helped you! I have read your posts for some

time and had no clue what could make you feel so awful. I had panic

attacks and this stuff cleared it up. Had no idea how bad you can feel

without Taurine. It was funny because I noticed it was on the end of that

Methylation pathway. Please look into what cofactors are needed for

taurine if it isn't in the formula. It might help you more. I hope it does

settle this heart issue with you, sounds promising!

I took it 3-4 times a day until I didn't get symtpoms to need it. Soon

I was taking just one a day. Now I don't need it. Well, occasionally

during some PMS days.

I am smiling over here.

Liz D.

> [Original Message]

> From: Ingrid Mager <wolfiebear@...>

> < >

> Date: 10/30/2004 12:44:20 AM

> Subject: Re: [ ] SELENOMETHIONINE (ANDY?)

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> Y E S !

> Just got some taurine yesterday and started taking little bits of it, and

by

> morning my anxiety was lifting and continued getting better as I took more

> throughout the day. I have only taken one 500mg capsule total and am

feeling

> SOOOO much better.

> Amazing! I feel almost like myself again! Hooray!

> Thank you for your caring concern, Liz.

>

>

> ~Inga

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Liz,

It mostly took that awful anquished-feeling-like-a-wreck feeling away. I

literally had an anguished scowl accross my forehead for awhile there, and

felt like I could not deal with things anymore. That is all pretty much

gone.

I have no clue as to whether it will help in other areas as well yet,

however, this morning, I had my dowser test the particular taurine I have .

The answers said:

YES - I need the taurine to eradicate the anguish symptom,but that also

said

YES - it can give me seizures if I take too much. Thanks for passing on

that info or I would not have known the latter.

>>>>>>Please look into what cofactors are needed for

taurine if it isn't in the formula.>>>>>>

At the risk of sounding stupid, any idea where I should look?

~inga

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10/30/04 3:21 PM, Rabbitbrain@... at Rabbitbrain@...

wrote:

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> Inga, I am so Glaaaaad this helped you! I have read your posts for some

> time and had no clue what could make you feel so awful. I had panic

> attacks and this stuff cleared it up. Had no idea how bad you can feel

> without Taurine. It was funny because I noticed it was on the end of that

> Methylation pathway. Please look into what cofactors are needed for

> taurine if it isn't in the formula. It might help you more. I hope it does

> settle this heart issue with you, sounds promising!

>

> I took it 3-4 times a day until I didn't get symtpoms to need it. Soon

> I was taking just one a day. Now I don't need it. Well, occasionally

> during some PMS days.

>

> I am smiling over here.

>

> Liz D.

>

>

>> [Original Message]

>> From: Ingrid Mager <wolfiebear@...>

>> < >

>> Date: 10/30/2004 12:44:20 AM

>> Subject: Re: [ ] SELENOMETHIONINE (ANDY?)

>>

>>

>> Y E S !

>> Just got some taurine yesterday and started taking little bits of it, and

> by

>> morning my anxiety was lifting and continued getting better as I took more

>> throughout the day. I have only taken one 500mg capsule total and am

> feeling

>> SOOOO much better.

>> Amazing! I feel almost like myself again! Hooray!

>> Thank you for your caring concern, Liz.

>>

>>

>> ~Inga

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