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This is great advice. But I really think Dessiree, has an idea that what

she is doing is wrong sometimes. She likes to eat play-doh. And all the

times she plays with it she finds a way to sneak out of my sight and eat

it. When I come close to her she runs and laugh. Obviously she thinks

it's a game.

What do you think?

Cecilia from Perú, mom to Dessirée (05/07/99)

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> Hello all, I am so badly trying to understand why my Zachari does

things

he shouldn't do. I wonder sometimes if he even knows what he is doing is

wrong.

Nope. He's got no idea.

That's why it's so incredibly hard to discipline young auties. They

can't

understand the consequences are linked to what they did.

It's been a long long time since was a young autie, but I remember

everything I ever read told me that redirection is pretty much the only

option at that time of life. :-( They just don't have the ability to

understand right and wrong, or to understand cause (behaviour) and

effect

(punishment).

It's crazy-making.

Do you think supplying Zach with a painting area and tempura paints that

are

available to him 24hours a day would make a difference? Maybe he just

really wants to paint? that was, even if he paints the tv or the walls,

it

will wash off... Is that worth a try, do you think?

And if it gives you any comfort, at 6 1/2 now knows darn well when

he's

done something wrong. ;-)

Jacquie

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> I am so badly trying to understand why my Zachari does things he shouldn't do.

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not that it'll make you feel any better, but kailey's almost 9 and i'm STILL

trying to figure it out :-/

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kailey, 8, autism, hyperlexia, depression, anxiety, OCD, DSI

trevor, 3, multiple developmental delays, no " official " dx yet

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> And if it gives you any comfort, at 6 1/2 now knows darn well when he's

done something wrong. ;-) <

jacquie, you're very very lucky

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kailey, 8, autism, hyperlexia, depression, anxiety, OCD, DSI

trevor, 3, multiple developmental delays, no " official " dx yet

parker jade, due 7-25-03 :-D

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> I really think Dessiree, has an idea that what she is doing is wrong

sometimes.

Obviously she thinks it's a game.

What do you think? <

i don't think she can know it's wrong, yet think it's a game. she may know she's

not supposed to do it, but i don't think she understands why. that's been my

experience anyway. of course, i could be wrong.

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gina, 31, ny

single mom to -

kailey, 8, autism, hyperlexia, depression, anxiety, OCD, DSI

trevor, 3, multiple developmental delays, no " official " dx yet

parker jade, due 7-25-03 :-D

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> It's all completely orchestrated, of course. I put on the 'mean angry stern

mother' face and it intimidates the hell out of him. VERY theatric and

over-acted.

Jacquie <

again, very lucky. this doesn't affect my kids one bit :(

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kailey, 8, autism, hyperlexia, depression, anxiety, OCD, DSI

trevor, 3, multiple developmental delays, no " official " dx yet

parker jade, due 7-25-03 :-D

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I think you have a point and you're probably right.

Cecilia from Perú, mom to Dessirée (05/07/99)

Lovely husband

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Enviado el: Jueves, 17 de Abril de 2003 09:37 a.m.

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> I really think Dessiree, has an idea that what she is doing is wrong

sometimes.

Obviously she thinks it's a game.

What do you think? <

i don't think she can know it's wrong, yet think it's a game. she may

know she's not supposed to do it, but i don't think she understands why.

that's been my experience anyway. of course, i could be wrong.

~~~ Imagine all the people, living life in peace - Lennon ~~~

-------------------------

gina, 31, ny

single mom to -

kailey, 8, autism, hyperlexia, depression, anxiety, OCD, DSI

trevor, 3, multiple developmental delays, no " official " dx yet

parker jade, due 7-25-03 :-D

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> Hello all, I am so badly trying to understand why my Zachari does things

he shouldn't do. I wonder sometimes if he even knows what he is doing is

wrong.

Nope. He's got no idea.

That's why it's so incredibly hard to discipline young auties. They can't

understand the consequences are linked to what they did.

It's been a long long time since was a young autie, but I remember

everything I ever read told me that redirection is pretty much the only

option at that time of life. :-( They just don't have the ability to

understand right and wrong, or to understand cause (behaviour) and effect

(punishment).

It's crazy-making.

Do you think supplying Zach with a painting area and tempura paints that are

available to him 24hours a day would make a difference? Maybe he just

really wants to paint? that was, even if he paints the tv or the walls, it

will wash off... Is that worth a try, do you think?

And if it gives you any comfort, at 6 1/2 now knows darn well when he's

done something wrong. ;-)

Jacquie

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> Hello all, I am so badly trying to understand why my Zachari does things

he shouldn't do. I wonder sometimes if he even knows what he is doing is

wrong.

Nope. He's got no idea.

That's why it's so incredibly hard to discipline young auties. They can't

understand the consequences are linked to what they did.

It's been a long long time since was a young autie, but I remember

everything I ever read told me that redirection is pretty much the only

option at that time of life. :-( They just don't have the ability to

understand right and wrong, or to understand cause (behaviour) and effect

(punishment).

It's crazy-making.

Do you think supplying Zach with a painting area and tempura paints that are

available to him 24hours a day would make a difference? Maybe he just

really wants to paint? that was, even if he paints the tv or the walls, it

will wash off... Is that worth a try, do you think?

And if it gives you any comfort, at 6 1/2 now knows darn well when he's

done something wrong. ;-)

Jacquie

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> Hello all, I am so badly trying to understand why my Zachari does things

he shouldn't do. I wonder sometimes if he even knows what he is doing is

wrong.

Nope. He's got no idea.

That's why it's so incredibly hard to discipline young auties. They can't

understand the consequences are linked to what they did.

It's been a long long time since was a young autie, but I remember

everything I ever read told me that redirection is pretty much the only

option at that time of life. :-( They just don't have the ability to

understand right and wrong, or to understand cause (behaviour) and effect

(punishment).

It's crazy-making.

Do you think supplying Zach with a painting area and tempura paints that are

available to him 24hours a day would make a difference? Maybe he just

really wants to paint? that was, even if he paints the tv or the walls, it

will wash off... Is that worth a try, do you think?

And if it gives you any comfort, at 6 1/2 now knows darn well when he's

done something wrong. ;-)

Jacquie

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> Thank you Jacquie for the encouragement. I think I will try the paints. I

just don't understand why he wants to at 3 in the morning. It really scares

me when he is awake and I am asleep. you know? Never know what could happen.

Yup. I remember nights lying awake, running through the inventory -- did I

hide the big knives? Where are the scissors? Are all the doors locked?

Where are the lighters? Is the fan off? Is the oven off? Did I lock the

cabinet with the cleaning stuff?

Ugh.

Luckily, nothing ever happened except one night he got a nosebleed while he

wandered around so I woke up to a trail of blood around the house.

ACK!!!!!!!

Jacquie

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> Thank you Jacquie for the encouragement. I think I will try the paints. I

just don't understand why he wants to at 3 in the morning. It really scares

me when he is awake and I am asleep. you know? Never know what could happen.

Yup. I remember nights lying awake, running through the inventory -- did I

hide the big knives? Where are the scissors? Are all the doors locked?

Where are the lighters? Is the fan off? Is the oven off? Did I lock the

cabinet with the cleaning stuff?

Ugh.

Luckily, nothing ever happened except one night he got a nosebleed while he

wandered around so I woke up to a trail of blood around the house.

ACK!!!!!!!

Jacquie

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> i don't think she can know it's wrong, yet think it's a game. she may know

she's not supposed to do it, but i don't think she understands why. that's

been my experience anyway. of course, i could be wrong.

>

I agree with !

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> > And if it gives you any comfort, at 6 1/2 now knows darn well when

he's done something wrong. ;-) <

>

> jacquie, you're very very lucky

Or very, very mean. My 'consequences' come swiftly, abruptly, and very very

loudly. I know how to change myself from 'mom' to 'raving psycho bitch' in

nanoseconds. I change every single aspect of myself when he's done

something wrong -- I lower the pitch of my voice, look at him from under my

eyebrows, repeat what I say a couple times, clearly and at theatre

projection volume and tone, and then command him to do whatever I choose --

go to his room, clean up, whatever. Then I completely ignore him until it's

done. Completely remove myself from him. This turns him into a very

compliant little mouse-boy.

It's all completely orchestrated, of course. I put on the 'mean angry stern

mother' face and it intimidates the hell out of him. VERY theatric and

over-acted.

Jacquie

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Amen.

Cecilia from Perú, mom to Dessirée (05/07/99)

Lovely husband

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De: Jacquie

Enviado el: Jueves, 17 de Abril de 2003 12:25 p.m.

Para: parenting_autism

Asunto: Re: WHY WHY WHY?????????

I don't think any of that would qualify you as mean. I do the same thing

with Greggory and Alec. While it works wonders with Greggory it works

for squat with Alec. Nothing seems to work well with Alec though. But I

do think that just like with me and Greggory you disciplining and

being firm and direct and making him be responsible for his actions even

when he was still learning about cause and effect made a huge

difference! I don't think it is just luck that he has come so far. I

believe that had the potential to(and does) to be someone

extraordinary. Your pushing him has been what he needs. I know that

Greggory does better with my being firm and I am sure it all helps. Now

I know that Alec is different and he probably isn't as capable of

reaching the same level of awareness as Greggory. But that is ok. Every

child is different.

Jacquie H

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> > And if it gives you any comfort, at 6 1/2 now knows darn well

when

he's done something wrong. ;-) <

>

> jacquie, you're very very lucky

Or very, very mean. My 'consequences' come swiftly, abruptly, and

very very

loudly. I know how to change myself from 'mom' to 'raving psycho

bitch' in

nanoseconds. I change every single aspect of myself when he's done

something wrong -- I lower the pitch of my voice, look at him from

under my

eyebrows, repeat what I say a couple times, clearly and at theatre

projection volume and tone, and then command him to do whatever I

choose --

go to his room, clean up, whatever. Then I completely ignore him

until it's

done. Completely remove myself from him. This turns him into a very

compliant little mouse-boy.

It's all completely orchestrated, of course. I put on the 'mean angry

stern

mother' face and it intimidates the hell out of him. VERY theatric

and

over-acted.

Jacquie

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Amen.

Cecilia from Perú, mom to Dessirée (05/07/99)

Lovely husband

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De: Jacquie

Enviado el: Jueves, 17 de Abril de 2003 12:25 p.m.

Para: parenting_autism

Asunto: Re: WHY WHY WHY?????????

I don't think any of that would qualify you as mean. I do the same thing

with Greggory and Alec. While it works wonders with Greggory it works

for squat with Alec. Nothing seems to work well with Alec though. But I

do think that just like with me and Greggory you disciplining and

being firm and direct and making him be responsible for his actions even

when he was still learning about cause and effect made a huge

difference! I don't think it is just luck that he has come so far. I

believe that had the potential to(and does) to be someone

extraordinary. Your pushing him has been what he needs. I know that

Greggory does better with my being firm and I am sure it all helps. Now

I know that Alec is different and he probably isn't as capable of

reaching the same level of awareness as Greggory. But that is ok. Every

child is different.

Jacquie H

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> > And if it gives you any comfort, at 6 1/2 now knows darn well

when

he's done something wrong. ;-) <

>

> jacquie, you're very very lucky

Or very, very mean. My 'consequences' come swiftly, abruptly, and

very very

loudly. I know how to change myself from 'mom' to 'raving psycho

bitch' in

nanoseconds. I change every single aspect of myself when he's done

something wrong -- I lower the pitch of my voice, look at him from

under my

eyebrows, repeat what I say a couple times, clearly and at theatre

projection volume and tone, and then command him to do whatever I

choose --

go to his room, clean up, whatever. Then I completely ignore him

until it's

done. Completely remove myself from him. This turns him into a very

compliant little mouse-boy.

It's all completely orchestrated, of course. I put on the 'mean angry

stern

mother' face and it intimidates the hell out of him. VERY theatric

and

over-acted.

Jacquie

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Amen.

Cecilia from Perú, mom to Dessirée (05/07/99)

Lovely husband

-----Mensaje original-----

De: Jacquie

Enviado el: Jueves, 17 de Abril de 2003 12:25 p.m.

Para: parenting_autism

Asunto: Re: WHY WHY WHY?????????

I don't think any of that would qualify you as mean. I do the same thing

with Greggory and Alec. While it works wonders with Greggory it works

for squat with Alec. Nothing seems to work well with Alec though. But I

do think that just like with me and Greggory you disciplining and

being firm and direct and making him be responsible for his actions even

when he was still learning about cause and effect made a huge

difference! I don't think it is just luck that he has come so far. I

believe that had the potential to(and does) to be someone

extraordinary. Your pushing him has been what he needs. I know that

Greggory does better with my being firm and I am sure it all helps. Now

I know that Alec is different and he probably isn't as capable of

reaching the same level of awareness as Greggory. But that is ok. Every

child is different.

Jacquie H

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> > And if it gives you any comfort, at 6 1/2 now knows darn well

when

he's done something wrong. ;-) <

>

> jacquie, you're very very lucky

Or very, very mean. My 'consequences' come swiftly, abruptly, and

very very

loudly. I know how to change myself from 'mom' to 'raving psycho

bitch' in

nanoseconds. I change every single aspect of myself when he's done

something wrong -- I lower the pitch of my voice, look at him from

under my

eyebrows, repeat what I say a couple times, clearly and at theatre

projection volume and tone, and then command him to do whatever I

choose --

go to his room, clean up, whatever. Then I completely ignore him

until it's

done. Completely remove myself from him. This turns him into a very

compliant little mouse-boy.

It's all completely orchestrated, of course. I put on the 'mean angry

stern

mother' face and it intimidates the hell out of him. VERY theatric

and

over-acted.

Jacquie

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Kris,

No, he doesn't know it's wrong. He doesn't understand consequences either,

so punishment means nothing to him. He also can't generalize that if he's

not supposed to do something here, that it also means he can't do it there.

This is one of the hardest things to deal with, especially with the younger

ones. As they get older, they can start learning rules, but right now, it

takes a lot of watching over them to stop these things from happening.

Here are some things that you can do for now;

Keep telling him the same thing each time he does stuff. Be very

repetitive.

Use as few words as possible so he can try to understand you. Try to give

him something appropriate to do in place of the inappropriate thing.

Place a gate or something at his bedroom door so he can't prowl at night.

You need to be assured he's safe so you can sleep. Maybe put a childguard

doorknob on the inside of his door?

Hang in there! It sounds like you're starting on another rollercoaster

ride!

Sue

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> Me too, I wish this worked with n.

Didn't work on when HE was 3. Didn't really become effective until he

was around his sixth birthday -- and man, is it great!

Jacquie

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> Me too, I wish this worked with n.

Didn't work on when HE was 3. Didn't really become effective until he

was around his sixth birthday -- and man, is it great!

Jacquie

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> Me too, I wish this worked with n.

Didn't work on when HE was 3. Didn't really become effective until he

was around his sixth birthday -- and man, is it great!

Jacquie

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I'm glad you mentioned this, so I know there's hope : )

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> > Me too, I wish this worked with n.

>

> Didn't work on when HE was 3. Didn't really become effective until

he

> was around his sixth birthday -- and man, is it great!

>

> Jacquie

>

>

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I guess my first reaction to this post is, no, Zach doesn't look at things

as " wrong " or " right " , and most likely doesn't connect consequences with his

actions.

It sounds to me like he was awake and found something to do. That's pretty

much it. It wasn't appropriate as far as you are concerned, but to him, it

was just play.

This stuff is SO hard to deal with because it plays against our OWN beliefs.

My suggestion would be to find alternatives for him. Set up a space where

he can have sand, water, squishys, manipulatives, etc., etc. Make it a safe

place so if he gets up in the middle of the night the worse you'll deal with

is a mess in the morning.

We deal with it here all the time. It's not fun. It's exhausting, mentally

and physically.

Have you ever tried cleaning up baby oil from the floor? Do we tell her not

to touch the baby oil? Yes. Does she still find it? Yes. When confronted,

all she says is " Sorry Mom " , but does it again. She's not being " bad " or

" sneaky " , but she STILL has to learn that baby oil is not acceptable.

We don't have all the answers, but giving alternatives may help your sanity

a bit.

Penny

WHY WHY WHY?????????

Hello all, I am so badly trying to understand why my Zachari does things

he shouldn't do. I wonder sometimes if he even knows what he is doing is

wrong.

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I guess my first reaction to this post is, no, Zach doesn't look at things

as " wrong " or " right " , and most likely doesn't connect consequences with his

actions.

It sounds to me like he was awake and found something to do. That's pretty

much it. It wasn't appropriate as far as you are concerned, but to him, it

was just play.

This stuff is SO hard to deal with because it plays against our OWN beliefs.

My suggestion would be to find alternatives for him. Set up a space where

he can have sand, water, squishys, manipulatives, etc., etc. Make it a safe

place so if he gets up in the middle of the night the worse you'll deal with

is a mess in the morning.

We deal with it here all the time. It's not fun. It's exhausting, mentally

and physically.

Have you ever tried cleaning up baby oil from the floor? Do we tell her not

to touch the baby oil? Yes. Does she still find it? Yes. When confronted,

all she says is " Sorry Mom " , but does it again. She's not being " bad " or

" sneaky " , but she STILL has to learn that baby oil is not acceptable.

We don't have all the answers, but giving alternatives may help your sanity

a bit.

Penny

WHY WHY WHY?????????

Hello all, I am so badly trying to understand why my Zachari does things

he shouldn't do. I wonder sometimes if he even knows what he is doing is

wrong.

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