Re: Re: adverse reactions on TD DMPS every other day?

[Guest guest]

I am confused about something. If TD-DMPS does not remove mercury from the

brain, as has been said here many times that DMSA and DMPS do not remove mercury

from the brain, will these kids have to remain on the TD-DMPS for the rest of

their lives to continue any improvements?

Just asking.

[ ] Re: adverse reactions on TD DMPS every other day?

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-- In , " leighanne " <mainecollier@a...>

wrote:

>

> have seen some posts here and there that concern me with regards to

> the Buttar every other day TD DMPS. I know what both sides say but

> what i and my sons ND would like to know is how many of you that

> have done the DMPS have had problems? Have you done DMSA also?

The main side affect my son has had with DMPS is more stimming, and

that seems to be common. I would add that we had that exact same

effect with DMSA and DMSA/ALA as well as other negatives, including

things associated with liver problems, like sallow skin and very

negative behaviors, meltdowns whenever we were done chelating that

made us very worried. We've had none of those meltdowns with TD-DMPS,

none of the intense crying on the day after we stopped the DMSA. I

have not seen the sallow skin problems or the negative behaviors with

the TD-DMPS up to this point. From my observations of the kids on the

chelatingkids list, stimming seems to be the main issue that any of

them are facing, if your child had a tendency toward stimminess, that

will also be exacerbated.

I wonder what Dr. Buttar means when he reports no

> adverse affects. What is his definition of this.

What he means from what he told me personally is that no kid that he

ever treated was worse from the treatment, that some were recovered,

but that absolutely none got worse. I have known kids who got much

worse with DMSA/ALA, and no chelation protocol is without risks.

I think eventually, we will have the evidence with the base of kids

who can report to the lists, of long term use of TD-DMPS. There are

no broad population statistics.

One of the moms on another list reported the effects of not having

had one of the recovered kids from Buttar's first study, and this

child who started at 7 if I remember, was so well-improved that I

would take that " non-recovered " status for my kid any day. The amount

of progress for this child is in my book astonishing. So from that,

we can make some conclusions from what we know, rather than from

fear, jealousy, and made-up statistics. If you are wanting more

assurances, you may have to wait this out for awhile.

There are only a handful of kids so far who have tried the 8 hour

protocol. More have done the other, so that's what we know more

about. The reason Dr. buttar doesn't do the 8 hour protocol is that

he found that it depleted minerals more severely than the 48 hour

protocol and the kids had more problems. That's what he says, but it

doesn't mean that it's wrong for you. We all have to make our own

decisions depending on who we trust and our own experience.

Rose

As far as the FDA

> is concerned there are categories and criteria I think for adverse

> events and reporting. My sons doc is very open and wants to hear

> about your problems or success. Can anyone provide this for me.

>

> Thanks

> leighanne

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[Guest guest]

So the TD-DMPS would remove the present mercury from the body, thus preventing

its depositing in the brain, being very useful.

But the mercury in the brain from the old injury i.e. vaccinations would NOT be

removed, is this correct? But isn't the mercury in the brain the main cause of

the neurological problems with communication, social skills, empathy, abstract

thinking?

[ ] Re: adverse reactions on TD DMPS every other day?

> > > I am confused about something. If TD-DMPS does not remove

mercury

> > from the brain, as has been said here many times that DMSA and

DMPS

> > do not remove mercury from the brain, will these kids have to

remain

> > on the TD-DMPS for the rest of their lives to continue any

> > improvements?

> > >

> > > Just asking.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Here is what I think is implied by saying that DMPS removes

> > mercury from the body and not from the brain. I think this

> > means that over a period of time using DMPS (particularly if

> > one is using it effectively) that all the mercury that can

> > be removed from the body will be removed from the body.

> > (If you are using it ineffectively, you will still reach

> > a point where whatever you are doing has had as much effect

> > as it is going to have.)

> >

> > So, at that point, continuing to use DMPS would not have

> > any further effect on mercury. The person would (hopefully)

> > have cleared the mercury out of their body, and would have

> > some level of permanent improvements from that. They would

> > still have mercury in their brain.

> >

> > Please also note that OTHER effects of TD-DMPS, such as

> > from the glutathione, might contiunue to be noticable.

> > I'm just referring above to the chelation aspect.

> >

> > That applies to ALA also. ALA has many effects other than

> > chelation. So taking it indefinately might " do something "

> > even though it would not continue to remove mercury.

> >

> > Moria

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[Guest guest]

I've heard that Buttar says it DOES remove it from the brain, but from the

outside.

Barb

[ ] Re: adverse reactions on TD DMPS every other

> day?

>

>

>

>

> -

> -- In , " leighanne " <mainecollier@a...>

> wrote:

> >

> > have seen some posts here and there that concern me with regards to

> > the Buttar every other day TD DMPS. I know what both sides say but

> > what i and my sons ND would like to know is how many of you that

> > have done the DMPS have had problems? Have you done DMSA also?

>

> The main side affect my son has had with DMPS is more stimming, and

> that seems to be common. I would add that we had that exact same

> effect with DMSA and DMSA/ALA as well as other negatives, including

> things associated with liver problems, like sallow skin and very

> negative behaviors, meltdowns whenever we were done chelating that

> made us very worried. We've had none of those meltdowns with TD-DMPS,

> none of the intense crying on the day after we stopped the DMSA. I

> have not seen the sallow skin problems or the negative behaviors with

> the TD-DMPS up to this point. From my observations of the kids on the

> chelatingkids list, stimming seems to be the main issue that any of

> them are facing, if your child had a tendency toward stimminess, that

> will also be exacerbated.

>

> I wonder what Dr. Buttar means when he reports no

> > adverse affects. What is his definition of this.

>

> What he means from what he told me personally is that no kid that he

> ever treated was worse from the treatment, that some were recovered,

> but that absolutely none got worse. I have known kids who got much

> worse with DMSA/ALA, and no chelation protocol is without risks.

>

> I think eventually, we will have the evidence with the base of kids

> who can report to the lists, of long term use of TD-DMPS. There are

> no broad population statistics.

>

> One of the moms on another list reported the effects of not having

> had one of the recovered kids from Buttar's first study, and this

> child who started at 7 if I remember, was so well-improved that I

> would take that " non-recovered " status for my kid any day. The amount

> of progress for this child is in my book astonishing. So from that,

> we can make some conclusions from what we know, rather than from

> fear, jealousy, and made-up statistics. If you are wanting more

> assurances, you may have to wait this out for awhile.

>

> There are only a handful of kids so far who have tried the 8 hour

> protocol. More have done the other, so that's what we know more

> about. The reason Dr. buttar doesn't do the 8 hour protocol is that

> he found that it depleted minerals more severely than the 48 hour

> protocol and the kids had more problems. That's what he says, but it

> doesn't mean that it's wrong for you. We all have to make our own

> decisions depending on who we trust and our own experience.

> Rose

>

> As far as the FDA

> > is concerned there are categories and criteria I think for adverse

> > events and reporting. My sons doc is very open and wants to hear

> > about your problems or success. Can anyone provide this for me.

> >

> > Thanks

> > leighanne

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

From what I've heard, Buttar thinks the TD-DMPS pulls it out of the brain

from the outside.

Barb

[ ] Re: adverse reactions on TD DMPS every other

> day?

>

>

>

>

> > > > I am confused about something. If TD-DMPS does not remove

> mercury

> > > from the brain, as has been said here many times that DMSA and

> DMPS

> > > do not remove mercury from the brain, will these kids have to

> remain

> > > on the TD-DMPS for the rest of their lives to continue any

> > > improvements?

> > > >

> > > > Just asking.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Here is what I think is implied by saying that DMPS removes

> > > mercury from the body and not from the brain. I think this

> > > means that over a period of time using DMPS (particularly if

> > > one is using it effectively) that all the mercury that can

> > > be removed from the body will be removed from the body.

> > > (If you are using it ineffectively, you will still reach

> > > a point where whatever you are doing has had as much effect

> > > as it is going to have.)

> > >

> > > So, at that point, continuing to use DMPS would not have

> > > any further effect on mercury. The person would (hopefully)

> > > have cleared the mercury out of their body, and would have

> > > some level of permanent improvements from that. They would

> > > still have mercury in their brain.

> > >

> > > Please also note that OTHER effects of TD-DMPS, such as

> > > from the glutathione, might contiunue to be noticable.

> > > I'm just referring above to the chelation aspect.

> > >

> > > That applies to ALA also. ALA has many effects other than

> > > chelation. So taking it indefinately might " do something "

> > > even though it would not continue to remove mercury.

> > >

> > > Moria

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Moria:

You misunderstand, I said removing the mercury from the body WOULD be very

useful. The main point, however, is that the mercury in the brain, which if I

understand this correctly, is mainly responsible for the lack of frontal lobe

functions, would NOT be removed.

Also, if the mercury is being removed from the body via TD-DMPS, then if the

TD-DMPS was removed from the child, then the mercury would build back up, hence

my question, would a kid have to stay on the TD-DMPS for life?

Hope this clears this up. If not, please yell again. I am just trying to

understand this stuff. My profession is rooted in soft science, not hard

science. I am having a hard time reprogramming my brain.

Warmly,

[ ] Re: adverse reactions on TD DMPS every other day?

> > > > I am confused about something. If TD-DMPS does not remove

> mercury

> > > from the brain, as has been said here many times that DMSA

and

> DMPS

> > > do not remove mercury from the brain, will these kids have

to

> remain

> > > on the TD-DMPS for the rest of their lives to continue any

> > > improvements?

> > > >

> > > > Just asking.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Here is what I think is implied by saying that DMPS removes

> > > mercury from the body and not from the brain. I think this

> > > means that over a period of time using DMPS (particularly if

> > > one is using it effectively) that all the mercury that can

> > > be removed from the body will be removed from the body.

> > > (If you are using it ineffectively, you will still reach

> > > a point where whatever you are doing has had as much effect

> > > as it is going to have.)

> > >

> > > So, at that point, continuing to use DMPS would not have

> > > any further effect on mercury. The person would (hopefully)

> > > have cleared the mercury out of their body, and would have

> > > some level of permanent improvements from that. They would

> > > still have mercury in their brain.

> > >

> > > Please also note that OTHER effects of TD-DMPS, such as

> > > from the glutathione, might contiunue to be noticable.

> > > I'm just referring above to the chelation aspect.

> > >

> > > That applies to ALA also. ALA has many effects other than

> > > chelation. So taking it indefinately might " do something "

> > > even though it would not continue to remove mercury.

> > >

> > > Moria

>

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[Guest guest]

The " recovered kids " , at least some of them are chelating one month a year,

just to be sure, I'm told.

Barb

[ ] Re: adverse reactions on TD DMPS every other

> day?

>

>

>

>

> > > > > I am confused about something. If TD-DMPS does not remove

> > mercury

> > > > from the brain, as has been said here many times that DMSA

> and

> > DMPS

> > > > do not remove mercury from the brain, will these kids have

> to

> > remain

> > > > on the TD-DMPS for the rest of their lives to continue any

> > > > improvements?

> > > > >

> > > > > Just asking.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Here is what I think is implied by saying that DMPS removes

> > > > mercury from the body and not from the brain. I think this

> > > > means that over a period of time using DMPS (particularly if

> > > > one is using it effectively) that all the mercury that can

> > > > be removed from the body will be removed from the body.

> > > > (If you are using it ineffectively, you will still reach

> > > > a point where whatever you are doing has had as much effect

> > > > as it is going to have.)

> > > >

> > > > So, at that point, continuing to use DMPS would not have

> > > > any further effect on mercury. The person would (hopefully)

> > > > have cleared the mercury out of their body, and would have

> > > > some level of permanent improvements from that. They would

> > > > still have mercury in their brain.

> > > >

> > > > Please also note that OTHER effects of TD-DMPS, such as

> > > > from the glutathione, might contiunue to be noticable.

> > > > I'm just referring above to the chelation aspect.

> > > >

> > > > That applies to ALA also. ALA has many effects other than

> > > > chelation. So taking it indefinately might " do something "

> > > > even though it would not continue to remove mercury.

> > > >

> > > > Moria

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Moria:

Thanks for the information. I now know enough to be sufficiently " freaked out. "

Warmly,

[ ] Re: adverse reactions on TD DMPS every other day?

> > > > > I am confused about something. If TD-DMPS does not

remove

> > mercury

> > > > from the brain, as has been said here many times that

DMSA

> and

> > DMPS

> > > > do not remove mercury from the brain, will these kids

have

> to

> > remain

> > > > on the TD-DMPS for the rest of their lives to continue

any

> > > > improvements?

> > > > >

> > > > > Just asking.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Here is what I think is implied by saying that DMPS

removes

> > > > mercury from the body and not from the brain. I think

this

> > > > means that over a period of time using DMPS

(particularly if

> > > > one is using it effectively) that all the mercury that

can

> > > > be removed from the body will be removed from the body.

> > > > (If you are using it ineffectively, you will still reach

> > > > a point where whatever you are doing has had as much

effect

> > > > as it is going to have.)

> > > >

> > > > So, at that point, continuing to use DMPS would not have

> > > > any further effect on mercury. The person would

(hopefully)

> > > > have cleared the mercury out of their body, and would

have

> > > > some level of permanent improvements from that. They

would

> > > > still have mercury in their brain.

> > > >

> > > > Please also note that OTHER effects of TD-DMPS, such as

> > > > from the glutathione, might contiunue to be noticable.

> > > > I'm just referring above to the chelation aspect.

> > > >

> > > > That applies to ALA also. ALA has many effects other

than

> > > > chelation. So taking it indefinately might " do

something "

> > > > even though it would not continue to remove mercury.

> > > >

> > > > Moria

> >

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[Guest guest]

Moria:

No need to be sorry. Information is always power.

Thanks again,

[ ] Re: adverse reactions on TD DMPS every other day?

> > > > > > I am confused about something. If TD-DMPS does not

> remove

> > > mercury

> > > > > from the brain, as has been said here many times

that

> DMSA

> > and

> > > DMPS

> > > > > do not remove mercury from the brain, will these

kids

> have

> > to

> > > remain

> > > > > on the TD-DMPS for the rest of their lives to

continue

> any

> > > > > improvements?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Just asking.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is what I think is implied by saying that DMPS

> removes

> > > > > mercury from the body and not from the brain. I

think

> this

> > > > > means that over a period of time using DMPS

> (particularly if

> > > > > one is using it effectively) that all the mercury

that

> can

> > > > > be removed from the body will be removed from the

body.

> > > > > (If you are using it ineffectively, you will still

reach

> > > > > a point where whatever you are doing has had as much

> effect

> > > > > as it is going to have.)

> > > > >

> > > > > So, at that point, continuing to use DMPS would not

have

> > > > > any further effect on mercury. The person would

> (hopefully)

> > > > > have cleared the mercury out of their body, and

would

> have

> > > > > some level of permanent improvements from that. They

> would

> > > > > still have mercury in their brain.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please also note that OTHER effects of TD-DMPS, such

as

> > > > > from the glutathione, might contiunue to be

noticable.

> > > > > I'm just referring above to the chelation aspect.

> > > > >

> > > > > That applies to ALA also. ALA has many effects

other

> than

> > > > > chelation. So taking it indefinately might " do

> something "

> > > > > even though it would not continue to remove mercury.

> > > > >

> > > > > Moria

> > >

>

>

>

>

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