Re: TD DMPS and Dr. Buttar

[Guest guest]

I am curious to know if the doctor you went to see was Dr. . I went to

see him recently (June maybe?), and he mentioned he was going to be doing this

for his son.

Dennise

eugui6 <raquelerro@...> wrote:

Hi friends:

I posted a while ago about my very orally sensory defensive 3 yo. As

an infant he would not put things in his mouth, and to this day, he

eats 3 foods period. Back then the three foods where soy milk, fries

and pasta. Today, the three foods are rice milk, rice pasta and

fries. I have finally switched him to a fully GFCF diet. Sensorily, I

have not noticed improvement, but in the other areas we are seeing a

lot of improvement. So I am very hopeful!

I was very discouraged since I saw how impossible oral chelation

would be with him. We would probably have to wait YEARS for this.

Out of desperation we contacted a doctor who gave us the choice to

use Buttar's transdermal DMPS with him.

Now, I thought about the odd timing, every 2 days! so opposed to what

we know about DMPS optimal use, every 8 hours. But at the same time

it is not sure the DMPS significantly crosses the skin to the blood

vessels. It is very possible that the other ingredients in the cream

are the ones responsable for the positive effects, so DMPS half life

wouldn't be so important. I debated about giving it to him in a

smaller dose, evey 8 hours during 3 days schedule, but finally

decided to go for the 48 hour aplication because of empirical reasons.

I could doubt what Dr. Buttar said about the results of his trial,

and on his son, after all, it could be a scam. But the doctor I went

to see was a super nice guy, whose son is autistic and he was using

this cream on his son, and him and his wife saw a lot of improvement

within a month. I had no reason to think he was lying to me.

I also imagined in my mind the horrible battle it would be to put

ANYTHING on my son's skin three times a day. One therapist tryed to

teach us about massage but it was a disaste, plus the TD DMPS stinks,

so it would be another nightmare, and he is getting too big to be

forced now.

So today is the 5th day of treatment. And we are noticing another

steep improvement, as noticeable as the improvement we saw with the

diet. His sentences are more complex, and he seems to understand us

more. Everytime we looked for any of his toys or books, I would

say " where is it? " and he would answer " I know. " Today, for the first

time, I asked " where is the book? " and he didn't answer " I know " , but

seemed to understand FOR THE FIRST TIME MY QUESTION! he had had only

2 aplications of the cream at that point!

We also have noticed an increase in opositional behavior, though it

seem to be related to yeast, (loose stools). So I am going to double

probiotics.

I am sharing this because someone may find it useful, even if it is

not " PC " . I wish I could have gone ahead and chelate him as per

Andy's protocol, which is what I am going to do for myself. But it

has not been possible for us yet. In the future, when it becomes

possible, I will do it, as I don't know if the DMPS is chelating and

even if it is, I would want to use ALA for clearing his little brain.

Warmly,

Raquel

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

I am so glad you posted this. I have been looking for someone that

is using it. I am pretty close to where Buttar is and have

considered going to him.

just looking for some more feedback from his patients before I made

the appt.

Thanks

Sherry

> Hi friends:

>

> I posted a while ago about my very orally sensory defensive 3 yo.

As

> an infant he would not put things in his mouth, and to this day,

he

> eats 3 foods period. Back then the three foods where soy milk,

fries

> and pasta. Today, the three foods are rice milk, rice pasta and

> fries. I have finally switched him to a fully GFCF diet.

Sensorily, I

> have not noticed improvement, but in the other areas we are seeing

a

> lot of improvement. So I am very hopeful!

>

> I was very discouraged since I saw how impossible oral chelation

> would be with him. We would probably have to wait YEARS for this.

> Out of desperation we contacted a doctor who gave us the choice to

> use Buttar's transdermal DMPS with him.

>

> Now, I thought about the odd timing, every 2 days! so opposed to

what

> we know about DMPS optimal use, every 8 hours. But at the same

time

> it is not sure the DMPS significantly crosses the skin to the

blood

> vessels. It is very possible that the other ingredients in the

cream

> are the ones responsable for the positive effects, so DMPS half

life

> wouldn't be so important. I debated about giving it to him in a

> smaller dose, evey 8 hours during 3 days schedule, but finally

> decided to go for the 48 hour aplication because of empirical

reasons.

>

> I could doubt what Dr. Buttar said about the results of his trial,

> and on his son, after all, it could be a scam. But the doctor I

went

> to see was a super nice guy, whose son is autistic and he was

using

> this cream on his son, and him and his wife saw a lot of

improvement

> within a month. I had no reason to think he was lying to me.

>

> I also imagined in my mind the horrible battle it would be to put

> ANYTHING on my son's skin three times a day. One therapist tryed

to

> teach us about massage but it was a disaste, plus the TD DMPS

stinks,

> so it would be another nightmare, and he is getting too big to be

> forced now.

>

> So today is the 5th day of treatment. And we are noticing another

> steep improvement, as noticeable as the improvement we saw with

the

> diet. His sentences are more complex, and he seems to understand

us

> more. Everytime we looked for any of his toys or books, I would

> say " where is it? " and he would answer " I know. " Today, for the

first

> time, I asked " where is the book? " and he didn't answer " I know " ,

but

> seemed to understand FOR THE FIRST TIME MY QUESTION! he had had

only

> 2 aplications of the cream at that point!

>

> We also have noticed an increase in opositional behavior, though

it

> seem to be related to yeast, (loose stools). So I am going to

double

> probiotics.

>

> I am sharing this because someone may find it useful, even if it

is

> not " PC " . I wish I could have gone ahead and chelate him as per

> Andy's protocol, which is what I am going to do for myself. But it

> has not been possible for us yet. In the future, when it becomes

> possible, I will do it, as I don't know if the DMPS is chelating

and

> even if it is, I would want to use ALA for clearing his little

brain.

>

> Warmly,

>

> Raquel

[Guest guest]

I am not sure if this is correct, but according to Dr. Buttar's

protocol, I believe the TD-DMPS is applied once a day, not three

times a day?

nat

[Guest guest]

Yes, that was him. God bless him.

> Hi friends:

>

> I posted a while ago about my very orally sensory defensive 3 yo.

As

> an infant he would not put things in his mouth, and to this day, he

> eats 3 foods period. Back then the three foods where soy milk,

fries

> and pasta. Today, the three foods are rice milk, rice pasta and

> fries. I have finally switched him to a fully GFCF diet. Sensorily,

I

> have not noticed improvement, but in the other areas we are seeing

a

> lot of improvement. So I am very hopeful!

>

> I was very discouraged since I saw how impossible oral chelation

> would be with him. We would probably have to wait YEARS for this.

> Out of desperation we contacted a doctor who gave us the choice to

> use Buttar's transdermal DMPS with him.

>

> Now, I thought about the odd timing, every 2 days! so opposed to

what

> we know about DMPS optimal use, every 8 hours. But at the same time

> it is not sure the DMPS significantly crosses the skin to the blood

> vessels. It is very possible that the other ingredients in the

cream

> are the ones responsable for the positive effects, so DMPS half

life

> wouldn't be so important. I debated about giving it to him in a

> smaller dose, evey 8 hours during 3 days schedule, but finally

> decided to go for the 48 hour aplication because of empirical

reasons.

>

> I could doubt what Dr. Buttar said about the results of his trial,

> and on his son, after all, it could be a scam. But the doctor I

went

> to see was a super nice guy, whose son is autistic and he was using

> this cream on his son, and him and his wife saw a lot of

improvement

> within a month. I had no reason to think he was lying to me.

>

> I also imagined in my mind the horrible battle it would be to put

> ANYTHING on my son's skin three times a day. One therapist tryed to

> teach us about massage but it was a disaste, plus the TD DMPS

stinks,

> so it would be another nightmare, and he is getting too big to be

> forced now.

>

> So today is the 5th day of treatment. And we are noticing another

> steep improvement, as noticeable as the improvement we saw with the

> diet. His sentences are more complex, and he seems to understand us

> more. Everytime we looked for any of his toys or books, I would

> say " where is it? " and he would answer " I know. " Today, for the

first

> time, I asked " where is the book? " and he didn't answer " I know " ,

but

> seemed to understand FOR THE FIRST TIME MY QUESTION! he had had

only

> 2 aplications of the cream at that point!

>

> We also have noticed an increase in opositional behavior, though it

> seem to be related to yeast, (loose stools). So I am going to

double

> probiotics.

>

> I am sharing this because someone may find it useful, even if it is

> not " PC " . I wish I could have gone ahead and chelate him as per

> Andy's protocol, which is what I am going to do for myself. But it

> has not been possible for us yet. In the future, when it becomes

> possible, I will do it, as I don't know if the DMPS is chelating

and

> even if it is, I would want to use ALA for clearing his little

brain.

>

> Warmly,

>

> Raquel

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

In Buttar's protocol the cream is applied every every 48 hours, not

every 24 h. It was me who was considering dividing up the doses and

give them every 8 hours.

> I am not sure if this is correct, but according to Dr. Buttar's

> protocol, I believe the TD-DMPS is applied once a day, not three

> times a day?

>

> nat

[Guest guest]

I am also using this currently with my son. I wish I could say my non-

verbal child is talking, he isn't, but his response time and multi-

step commands are really amazing me since starting. We have done 10

on days, so 20 days of treatment so far. He is 4 1/2.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

We got a set back. Today we have stopped the TD DMPS. We did notice

progress, but the side effects are getting too much. We don't know if

it is the DMPS or a virus perhaps finding easy immune system to

tackle because of the DMPS. Or... redistribution.

I am in day 2 of oral DMPS chelation, first round. For what I feel in

my body and what I observe in my son, it seems to me that the TD DMPS

does mess with the mercury, in which case giving it TD to him every

48 hours may be the cause of our problems. I don't know, at this

point, what are we going to do, besides talking to the doctor about

his symptoms. I am considering aplying the cream 3 times a day for

three days straight, then rest. It is going to be a challenge, I can

manage to aply the cream 2 times while he sleeps at night, but the

3rd daily aplication while awake can be a very diffucult thing... We

will see.

> I am also using this currently with my son. I wish I could say my

non-

> verbal child is talking, he isn't, but his response time and multi-

> step commands are really amazing me since starting. We have done 10

> on days, so 20 days of treatment so far. He is 4 1/2.

>

> Lynn

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/15/2004 1:36:34 AM Central Standard Time,

raquelerro@... writes:

> I can

> manage to apply the cream 2 times while he sleeps at night, but the

> 3rd daily aplication while awake can be a very diffucult thing

>

> Why is it so difficult to apply the cream?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

rather than applying it more often why not cut the amount of drops

back to 1/2 until things settle down?

m.l.

> We got a set back. Today we have stopped the TD DMPS. We did notice

> progress, but the side effects are getting too much. We don't know

if

> it is the DMPS or a virus perhaps finding easy immune system to

> tackle because of the DMPS. Or... redistribution.

>

> I am in day 2 of oral DMPS chelation, first round. For what I feel

in

> my body and what I observe in my son, it seems to me that the TD

DMPS

> does mess with the mercury, in which case giving it TD to him every

> 48 hours may be the cause of our problems. I don't know, at this

> point, what are we going to do, besides talking to the doctor about

> his symptoms. I am considering aplying the cream 3 times a day for

> three days straight, then rest. It is going to be a challenge, I

can

> manage to aply the cream 2 times while he sleeps at night, but the

> 3rd daily aplication while awake can be a very diffucult thing...

We

> will see.

>

[Guest guest]

I realize the correct answer is counterintuitive - that halving the

dose is useless, but giving the stuff more often (even in a full dose)

usually corrects the problem.

No matter how you get it into people, you have to give DMPS every 8

hours or more often. If it takes a long time to absorb (uniknown for

transdermal) then that can be added to 6 to get how long you can have

between doses (that is, injections every 6, eating it every 8 which is

6 + 2 for how long it takes the intestines to do their thing).

Andy ./ . . . . ..

> rather than applying it more often why not cut the amount of drops

> back to 1/2 until things settle down?

>

> m.l.

>

>

>

> > We got a set back. Today we have stopped the TD DMPS. We did notice

> > progress, but the side effects are getting too much. We don't know

> if

> > it is the DMPS or a virus perhaps finding easy immune system to

> > tackle because of the DMPS. Or... redistribution.

> >

> > I am in day 2 of oral DMPS chelation, first round. For what I feel

> in

> > my body and what I observe in my son, it seems to me that the TD

> DMPS

> > does mess with the mercury, in which case giving it TD to him every

> > 48 hours may be the cause of our problems. I don't know, at this

> > point, what are we going to do, besides talking to the doctor about

> > his symptoms. I am considering aplying the cream 3 times a day for

> > three days straight, then rest. It is going to be a challenge, I

> can

> > manage to aply the cream 2 times while he sleeps at night, but the

> > 3rd daily aplication while awake can be a very diffucult thing...

> We

> > will see.

> >

[Guest guest]

> I could doubt what Dr. Buttar said about the results of his trial,

> and on his son, after all, it could be a scam.

I doubt it is a scam, and doubt most innacurate info people get from

doc's in this field is intentional.

The situatino you are describing is a very good one for trying

transdermal DMPS.

> I am sharing this because someone may find it useful, even if it is

> not " PC " .

Don't worry about PC on this list. We want real information (which you

have provided, thank you!) and not propaganda. Besides, I'm not a

moderator, can't throw you off if I wanted to, and the moderators very

very very seldom toss people and then only the most ridiculously

disruptive and out of control. Unlike the lists that pretend to be

about information but are actually only about political correctness,

this list really is solely here for the purpose of getting real

information exchanged so that people can make good decisions on how to

help their unfortunate children.

Andy . . . . . . . .. .

[Guest guest]

[ ] Re: TD DMPS and Dr. Buttar

>

>

> > I realize the correct answer is counterintuitive - that halving the

> > dose is useless, but giving the stuff more often (even in a full dose)

> > usually corrects the problem.

> >

> > No matter how you get it into people, you have to give DMPS every 8

> > hours or more often. If it takes a long time to absorb (uniknown for

> > transdermal) then that can be added to 6 to get how long you can have

> > between doses (that is, injections every 6, eating it every 8 which is

> > 6 + 2 for how long it takes the intestines to do their thing).

> >

> > Andy ./ . . . . ..

> >

> > > rather than applying it more often why not cut the amount of drops

> > > back to 1/2 until things settle down?

> > >

> > > m.l.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > We got a set back. Today we have stopped the TD DMPS. We did notice

> > > > progress, but the side effects are getting too much. We don't know

> > > if

> > > > it is the DMPS or a virus perhaps finding easy immune system to

> > > > tackle because of the DMPS. Or... redistribution.

> > > >

> > > > I am in day 2 of oral DMPS chelation, first round. For what I feel

> > > in

> > > > my body and what I observe in my son, it seems to me that the TD

> > > DMPS

> > > > does mess with the mercury, in which case giving it TD to him every

> > > > 48 hours may be the cause of our problems. I don't know, at this

> > > > point, what are we going to do, besides talking to the doctor about

> > > > his symptoms. I am considering aplying the cream 3 times a day for

> > > > three days straight, then rest. It is going to be a challenge, I

> > > can

> > > > manage to aply the cream 2 times while he sleeps at night, but the

> > > > 3rd daily aplication while awake can be a very diffucult thing...

> > > We

> > > > will see.

> > > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

-> > You may have answered this before and I've missed it but what are

your

> views

> > on Dr Buttar's protocol that everyone is so excited about?

As explained in prior posts I find his reported results unlikely to be

due to chelation alone.

We'll see how it goes for people, but my basic feeling is that there

are a lot of gullible people who blow with the wind.

Hopefully it will turn out to be something useful, preliminary reports

are interesting though it really is starting to look like every 8 hour

dosing would be a really really really really good idea, not every

other day. There are enough reports that sound like it is getting

chelator into people, and enough that sound like what happens when you

chelate on a random and inappropriate protocol that I think I would now

encourage people using it to apply it every 8 hours.

Andy . . . . . .. . . . . .

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/22/2004 2:19:52 AM Central Standard Time,

AndyCutler@... writes:

> preliminary reports

> are interesting though it really is starting to look like every 8 hour

> dosing would be a really really really really good idea, not every

> other day. There are enough reports that sound like it is getting

> chelator into people, and enough that sound like what happens when you

> chelate on a random and inappropriate protocol that I think I would now

> encourage people using it to apply it every 8 hours

>

> Andy--still for as many days on as are off?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Andy,

How does DMPS compare with DMSA regarding pulling out metals--is it any more

efficient--is it any faster, than, say, if DMSA was transdermally applied?

So why not create a DMPA/ALA cream

[Guest guest]

> > preliminary reports

> > are interesting though it really is starting to look like every 8 hour

> > dosing would be a really really really really good idea, not every

> > other day. There are enough reports that sound like it is getting

> > chelator into people, and enough that sound like what happens when you

> > chelate on a random and inappropriate protocol that I think I would now

> > encourage people using it to apply it every 8 hours

> >

> > Andy--still for as many days on as are off?

> >

> >

Yes, I think so.

This is one of the weaker constraints, said more because there are

almost 50 years of clinical experience where it was invariably done

this way and little experience with continuous use. I know of no

fundamental reason you can't take it 100% of the time, but there is

some chance the " tradition " is in fact based on such a reason. However

a few people who for various reasons had to take it more of the time,

up to 100%, did in fact do fine.

I'd suggest sticking to half the time unless there is a very good

reason to do otherwise.

Andy . . . . . ..

[Guest guest]

From all I have learnt on this list, I would not use DMSA transdermally. My

guess is, this would involve getting the DMSA wet and cause it to deteriorate.

Dagmar.

Re: Fw: [ ] Re: TD DMPS and Dr. Buttar

Andy,

How does DMPS compare with DMSA regarding pulling out metals--is it any more

efficient--is it any faster, than, say, if DMSA was transdermally applied?

So why not create a DMPA/ALA cream

[Guest guest]

I have recently been mixing DMSA and ALA in water and sipping it. I do this

becasue I can not tolerate the full amounts that are indicated.

When I first started the DMSA, the only way I could tolerate it was to put 1

capsule in 24 ounces of water and take baby sips. Even then it was giving me

seizures at first.

Most of the time I have been opening the capsules and putting small ammounts

under the tongue.

Do I hear, then, that by putting it in water makes it ineffective?

~Inga

_________

on 9/23/04 1:42 AM, Dagmar at dagmarjahr@... wrote:

From all I have learnt on this list, I would not use DMSA transdermally. My

guess is, this would involve getting the DMSA wet and cause it to

deteriorate.

Dagmar.

Re: Fw: [ ] Re: TD DMPS and Dr. Buttar

Andy,

How does DMPS compare with DMSA regarding pulling out metals--is it any

more

efficient--is it any faster, than, say, if DMSA was transdermally applied?

So why not create a DMPA/ALA cream

[Guest guest]

Inga, how much did you take?

You can check the files section of this group, it recommends 1/8 to

1/2 of your body weight in pounds.

So if you are 150lbs, you can take 20 mg to 75 mg every 3h. Start

slow, the first rounds are difficult.

>

> From all I have learnt on this list, I would not use DMSA

transdermally. My

> guess is, this would involve getting the DMSA wet and cause it to

> deteriorate.

>

> Dagmar.

> Re: Fw: [ ] Re: TD DMPS and Dr. Buttar

>

>

> Andy,

>

> How does DMPS compare with DMSA regarding pulling out metals--is

it any

> more

> efficient--is it any faster, than, say, if DMSA was transdermally

applied?

>

> So why not create a DMPA/ALA cream

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am 220 lbs

(When I first started the DMSA, I disolved 100 mg in 24 ounces and sipped it

over a period of 3 days)

After about 6 months of just DMSA, I am doing about 300 mg a day. I have

taken very few small breaks at all because I was going into attacks when I

stopped the DMSA.

I have done 2 rounds of ALA (200mg) a day for 3 days

Now I just did 1 round of ALA for two days and had severe pshychological

disturbances.

1) Do you know if that means I am not ready for the ALA yet even after 6

months of DMSA?

Also

2) Does putting either of them in water make them ineffective or less

effective?

3) Is the fact that I have been unable to take breaks from the DMSA a majo

problem?

4) I saw a doctor last week that told me the DMSA was depleating my vitamins

an minerals. Somebody at this site told be the opposite today. (Last year,

that doctor was giving me more EDTA treatmnets which I had to quit...Later I

find out from Cutler that is a No-no.)

Do you know which is true: DMSA depletes or does not deplete the body?

Thanks for any input.

~inga

________

I started with abouton 9/23/04 10:20 PM, ferdeson at ferdeson@...

wrote:

Inga, how much did you take?

You can check the files section of this group, it recommends 1/8 to

1/2 of your body weight in pounds.

So if you are 150lbs, you can take 20 mg to 75 mg every 3h. Start

slow, the first rounds are difficult.

>

> From all I have learnt on this list, I would not use DMSA

transdermally. My

> guess is, this would involve getting the DMSA wet and cause it to

> deteriorate.

>

> Dagmar.

> Re: Fw: [ ] Re: TD DMPS and Dr. Buttar

>

>

> Andy,

>

> How does DMPS compare with DMSA regarding pulling out metals--is

it any

> more

> efficient--is it any faster, than, say, if DMSA was transdermally

applied?

>

> So why not create a DMPA/ALA cream

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

They are pretty similar, with the exception that DMPS is useless for

lead, and somewhat better for arsenic than DMSA.

Most people find the subjective experience of DMPS chelation a lot

better than DMSA. Also DMPS has convenient 8 hour dosing.

> Andy,

>

> How does DMPS compare with DMSA regarding pulling out metals--is it any more

> efficient--is it any faster, than, say, if DMSA was transdermally applied?

>

> So why not create a DMPA/ALA cream

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I am 220 lbs

>

> (When I first started the DMSA, I disolved 100 mg in 24 ounces and sipped it

> over a period of 3 days)

>

> After about 6 months of just DMSA, I am doing about 300 mg a day. I have

> taken very few small breaks at all because I was going into attacks

Of which type?

> when I stopped the DMSA.

>

> I have done 2 rounds of ALA (200mg) a day for 3 days

> Now I just did 1 round of ALA for two days and had severe pshychological

> disturbances.

Of which type?

> 1) Do you know if that means I am not ready for the ALA yet even after 6

> months of DMSA?

I don't know.

> Also

> 2) Does putting either of them in water make them ineffective or less

> effective?

DMSA is OK for maybe half a day, but if the water is acidified (made

sour or tart with lemon juice, or vitamin C in the ascorbic acid form,

or vinegar) the DMSA lasts longer.

ALA is OK indefnintely.

> 3) Is the fact that I have been unable to take breaks from the DMSA a majo

> problem?

>

> 4) I saw a doctor last week that told me the DMSA was depleating my vitamins

> an minerals. Somebody at this site told be the opposite today. (Last year,

> that doctor was giving me more EDTA treatmnets which I had to quit...Later I

> find out from Cutler that is a No-no.)

>

> Do you know which is true: DMSA depletes or does not deplete the body?

Does not deplete the body.

>

> Thanks for any input.

> ~inga

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rowan,

It is my understanding that this is fine and is what we do with our son

although we opt for the 3 days on 11 off.

[ ] Re: TD DMPS and Dr. Buttar

>

>

> > I am 220 lbs

> >

> > (When I first started the DMSA, I disolved 100 mg in 24 ounces and

> sipped it

> > over a period of 3 days)

> >

> > After about 6 months of just DMSA, I am doing about 300 mg a day. I

have

> > taken very few small breaks at all because I was going into attacks

>

> Of which type?

>

> > when I stopped the DMSA.

> >

> > I have done 2 rounds of ALA (200mg) a day for 3 days

> > Now I just did 1 round of ALA for two days and had severe

pshychological

> > disturbances.

>

> Of which type?

>

> > 1) Do you know if that means I am not ready for the ALA yet even after

6

> > months of DMSA?

>

> I don't know.

>

> > Also

> > 2) Does putting either of them in water make them ineffective or less

> > effective?

>

> DMSA is OK for maybe half a day, but if the water is acidified (made

> sour or tart with lemon juice, or vitamin C in the ascorbic acid form,

> or vinegar) the DMSA lasts longer.

>

> ALA is OK indefnintely.

>

> > 3) Is the fact that I have been unable to take breaks from the DMSA a

> majo

> > problem?

> >

> > 4) I saw a doctor last week that told me the DMSA was depleating my

> vitamins

> > an minerals. Somebody at this site told be the opposite today. (Last

> year,

> > that doctor was giving me more EDTA treatmnets which I had to

> quit...Later I

> > find out from Cutler that is a No-no.)

> >

> > Do you know which is true: DMSA depletes or does not deplete the body?

>

> Does not deplete the body.

> >

> > Thanks for any input.

> > ~inga

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Andy,

Is it okay to give DMSA and ALA together at every 3 hr period for 3 days

(including nights) and then take a break (4 days).

Thanks

Rowan

[ ] Re: TD DMPS and Dr. Buttar

> I am 220 lbs

>

> (When I first started the DMSA, I disolved 100 mg in 24 ounces and

sipped it

> over a period of 3 days)

>

> After about 6 months of just DMSA, I am doing about 300 mg a day. I have

> taken very few small breaks at all because I was going into attacks

Of which type?

> when I stopped the DMSA.

>

> I have done 2 rounds of ALA (200mg) a day for 3 days

> Now I just did 1 round of ALA for two days and had severe pshychological

> disturbances.

Of which type?

> 1) Do you know if that means I am not ready for the ALA yet even after 6

> months of DMSA?

I don't know.

> Also

> 2) Does putting either of them in water make them ineffective or less

> effective?

DMSA is OK for maybe half a day, but if the water is acidified (made

sour or tart with lemon juice, or vitamin C in the ascorbic acid form,

or vinegar) the DMSA lasts longer.

ALA is OK indefnintely.

> 3) Is the fact that I have been unable to take breaks from the DMSA a

majo

> problem?

>

> 4) I saw a doctor last week that told me the DMSA was depleating my

vitamins

> an minerals. Somebody at this site told be the opposite today. (Last

year,

> that doctor was giving me more EDTA treatmnets which I had to

quit...Later I

> find out from Cutler that is a No-no.)

>

> Do you know which is true: DMSA depletes or does not deplete the body?

Does not deplete the body.

>

> Thanks for any input.

> ~inga

>

>

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Andy, do you remember a paper I sent you that reported a study where DMPS was

used to chelate kids with lead poisoning? You said that you thought it was a

good study and you were keeping your mind open. Did you find new info that

disputed this study?

in Salt Lake City Utah

Fw: [ ] Re: TD DMPS and Dr. Buttar

They are pretty similar, with the exception that DMPS is useless for

lead, and somewhat better for arsenic than DMSA.

Most people find the subjective experience of DMPS chelation a lot

better than DMSA. Also DMPS has convenient 8 hour dosing.

> Andy,

>

> How does DMPS compare with DMSA regarding pulling out metals--is it any more

> efficient--is it any faster, than, say, if DMSA was transdermally applied?

>

> So why not create a DMPA/ALA cream

>

>

>

>

>