Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Lana, here. Get a second opinion from a neurosurgeon!!!!! I think you need a myleogram of the cervical spine. Painful but gives a lot more detailed information about the neck, more than an MRI. You can get soft neck collars at most any drugstore, even the grocery stores that have pharmacies without a prescription. Did the Ortho check your reflexes with the little rubber triangulr shaped thingy? Where they tap on the back or your elbow, the inside of your elbow, and the wrist? Hugs S. I sent my check out yesterday, ok? Report from doctor visit > Hi everyone, > > Well, I got good news from the doctor - though I dread what he > recommends. He said I do have quite a bit of degeneration in the > neck, along with bone spurs and herniations, and some degeneration in > the lower spine-but nothing like my neck. He does not see surgery as > an option, as I have no arm sensations or neurological symptoms or > leg/foot pain, and surgery for this is not always successful - which > I totally agree with! So that was very good news. The part I didn't > like and dread is I did feel like he didn't take my pain very > seriously, and he was pretty brisk. He did mention EDS a couple > times, but so quickly that I didn't get a good feel for if he REALLY > understood it or not. The only options he sees for me is physical > therapy, and if that doesn't work, an injection - either an epidural > or cortisone. Mom had an epidural, and it hurt a LOT and did NOTHING > for her, so I would have to think about that a LONG time before I > ever went for that! As for physical therapy, I absolutely DREAD it! > I have never really found a really good physical therapist, never > found one that knew or understood EDS, and have never found it to be > very helpful to me with any kind of pain! Gaining range of motion > and such - yes, but pain - NO! This will include 'back school' what > ever the hell that means. I imagine it's how to use your back, which > I already know - I think. But, I will try it, and if it doesn't > work, and doesn't help with the pain, I will go back to my doctor and > ask for a second opinion. He said he doesn't see this getting any > worse. I'm not sure about that part either - I certainly HOPE for > that. They gave me a list of physical therapy places that offer the > back school, and I asked if they preferred one, and she said, no, > they're all about the same (which I have found to be true-and not a > lot of help to me, anyway). I asked about bracing and such. He did > not see this as an option either, as the neck is a very hard area to > brace. I told him I know I slump, but can't seem to help it, and he > just said I need to do strengthening exercises. I felt some type of > brace would be helpful, just to help with posture and such. He said > to keep taking my medicines and to come back for the injection if > nothing helps. That was it. After he walked out the door, I asked > if the herniations will get worse and he said he couldn't see that > they would. > > I haven't called physical therapy places yet. I am going to make > some changes at work, different desk, some type of back support for > my chair, and face a different way. I do want to try a soft cervical > collar too, as I spoke with Sue about after the appt. Now convincing > my husband that it would help me and not hurt me, may be a more > difficult matter - he knows something about medicine, sometimes just > enough to not see some options, or to have an opinion that's hard to > change - know what I mean?? So all in all, I kind of have mixed > emotions - I'm glad no surgery, but wanted a quicker 'fix' for the > pain I guess. > > I also plan to have Mike work with me more on some of the techniques > Mike Uggen has posted, as where my pain is, it's hard to do it on > myself. I would go back to Betty, but with Mike having surgery, and > some other things, I can't really afford $50 a pop. It helped to > relax me, but didn't do a lot for where my bad pain is. I wish Mike > lived closer to me! > > Hope things are good for all of you. I can't get in to the list > AGAIN today, so am sending this to Bonnie to post for me. Oh, I > forgot - I did take a copy of the MRI results I can post those > tonight. Thanks! > > Love Lana > > > > > > To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://members.rogers.com/ceda2/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Lana, here. Get a second opinion from a neurosurgeon!!!!! I think you need a myleogram of the cervical spine. Painful but gives a lot more detailed information about the neck, more than an MRI. You can get soft neck collars at most any drugstore, even the grocery stores that have pharmacies without a prescription. Did the Ortho check your reflexes with the little rubber triangulr shaped thingy? Where they tap on the back or your elbow, the inside of your elbow, and the wrist? Hugs S. I sent my check out yesterday, ok? Report from doctor visit > Hi everyone, > > Well, I got good news from the doctor - though I dread what he > recommends. He said I do have quite a bit of degeneration in the > neck, along with bone spurs and herniations, and some degeneration in > the lower spine-but nothing like my neck. He does not see surgery as > an option, as I have no arm sensations or neurological symptoms or > leg/foot pain, and surgery for this is not always successful - which > I totally agree with! So that was very good news. The part I didn't > like and dread is I did feel like he didn't take my pain very > seriously, and he was pretty brisk. He did mention EDS a couple > times, but so quickly that I didn't get a good feel for if he REALLY > understood it or not. The only options he sees for me is physical > therapy, and if that doesn't work, an injection - either an epidural > or cortisone. Mom had an epidural, and it hurt a LOT and did NOTHING > for her, so I would have to think about that a LONG time before I > ever went for that! As for physical therapy, I absolutely DREAD it! > I have never really found a really good physical therapist, never > found one that knew or understood EDS, and have never found it to be > very helpful to me with any kind of pain! Gaining range of motion > and such - yes, but pain - NO! This will include 'back school' what > ever the hell that means. I imagine it's how to use your back, which > I already know - I think. But, I will try it, and if it doesn't > work, and doesn't help with the pain, I will go back to my doctor and > ask for a second opinion. He said he doesn't see this getting any > worse. I'm not sure about that part either - I certainly HOPE for > that. They gave me a list of physical therapy places that offer the > back school, and I asked if they preferred one, and she said, no, > they're all about the same (which I have found to be true-and not a > lot of help to me, anyway). I asked about bracing and such. He did > not see this as an option either, as the neck is a very hard area to > brace. I told him I know I slump, but can't seem to help it, and he > just said I need to do strengthening exercises. I felt some type of > brace would be helpful, just to help with posture and such. He said > to keep taking my medicines and to come back for the injection if > nothing helps. That was it. After he walked out the door, I asked > if the herniations will get worse and he said he couldn't see that > they would. > > I haven't called physical therapy places yet. I am going to make > some changes at work, different desk, some type of back support for > my chair, and face a different way. I do want to try a soft cervical > collar too, as I spoke with Sue about after the appt. Now convincing > my husband that it would help me and not hurt me, may be a more > difficult matter - he knows something about medicine, sometimes just > enough to not see some options, or to have an opinion that's hard to > change - know what I mean?? So all in all, I kind of have mixed > emotions - I'm glad no surgery, but wanted a quicker 'fix' for the > pain I guess. > > I also plan to have Mike work with me more on some of the techniques > Mike Uggen has posted, as where my pain is, it's hard to do it on > myself. I would go back to Betty, but with Mike having surgery, and > some other things, I can't really afford $50 a pop. It helped to > relax me, but didn't do a lot for where my bad pain is. I wish Mike > lived closer to me! > > Hope things are good for all of you. I can't get in to the list > AGAIN today, so am sending this to Bonnie to post for me. Oh, I > forgot - I did take a copy of the MRI results I can post those > tonight. Thanks! > > Love Lana > > > > > > To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://members.rogers.com/ceda2/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Did the Ortho check your reflexes with the little rubber > triangulr shaped thingy? Where they tap on the back or your elbow, the > inside of your elbow, and the wrist? He checked my knees and elbow I think, but not the wrist. If it doesn't get better, , I will get a second opinion. I just feel like a whiner, and his attitude didn't help in that matter. Love Lana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Lana, Please get that out of your head, you are not a whiner, this Dr. didn't give you the time of the day! Not even a thorough neuro exam> He didn't check all the reflexes in your upper extremities! The !!! Please get the neurosurgeon opinion ASAP, you are entitled to a second opinion! Stuff is pushing on your spinal cord! You need the second opinion and a myleogram with a follow up CT scan with the dye in there. The spinal cord is your life line! Don't let this guy write you off> Love, Re: Report from doctor visit > > Did the Ortho check your reflexes with the little rubber > > triangulr shaped thingy? Where they tap on the back or your elbow, > the > > inside of your elbow, and the wrist? > > > He checked my knees and elbow I think, but not the wrist. If it > doesn't get better, , I will get a second opinion. I just feel > like a whiner, and his attitude didn't help in that matter. > > Love Lana > > > > > To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://members.rogers.com/ceda2/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Lana, Please get that out of your head, you are not a whiner, this Dr. didn't give you the time of the day! Not even a thorough neuro exam> He didn't check all the reflexes in your upper extremities! The !!! Please get the neurosurgeon opinion ASAP, you are entitled to a second opinion! Stuff is pushing on your spinal cord! You need the second opinion and a myleogram with a follow up CT scan with the dye in there. The spinal cord is your life line! Don't let this guy write you off> Love, Re: Report from doctor visit > > Did the Ortho check your reflexes with the little rubber > > triangulr shaped thingy? Where they tap on the back or your elbow, > the > > inside of your elbow, and the wrist? > > > He checked my knees and elbow I think, but not the wrist. If it > doesn't get better, , I will get a second opinion. I just feel > like a whiner, and his attitude didn't help in that matter. > > Love Lana > > > > > To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://members.rogers.com/ceda2/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Don't let this guy write you off> Thanks so much for the support, ! Let me send you the MRI report tonight, OK? Love Lana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Don't let this guy write you off> Thanks so much for the support, ! Let me send you the MRI report tonight, OK? Love Lana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Don't let this guy write you off> Thanks so much for the support, ! Let me send you the MRI report tonight, OK? Love Lana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Lana, you can either scan it or fax it to me the number for my fax is the same as my home number. OK? Love, Re: Report from doctor visit > > Don't let this guy write you off> > Thanks so much for the support, ! Let me send you the MRI > report tonight, OK? > > Love Lana > > > > > To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://members.rogers.com/ceda2/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Lana, you can either scan it or fax it to me the number for my fax is the same as my home number. OK? Love, Re: Report from doctor visit > > Don't let this guy write you off> > Thanks so much for the support, ! Let me send you the MRI > report tonight, OK? > > Love Lana > > > > > To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://members.rogers.com/ceda2/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 > Lana, you can either scan it or fax it to me the number for my fax is the > same as my home number. OK? Got it, !! I'll send it tonight! Thanks a lot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 > Lana, you can either scan it or fax it to me the number for my fax is the > same as my home number. OK? Got it, !! I'll send it tonight! Thanks a lot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Hi Lana -- I have been reading everyone's posts on your doctor's visit. I agree that you should get a second opinion - the one thing I cannot abide is when a doctor dismisses his patients. When this happens to me now, I run as fast as I can to get another doctor. I just don't have the time to waste on these others!!!! I hope you are feeling better and I hope your pain backs off. I will be keeping you in my thoughts and prayers. Love, Patti Report from doctor visit To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://members.rogers.com/ceda2/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Hi Lana Well I am glad to hear that surgery isnt going to be needed as that would probably just lead to more problems. Sorry you didnt feel that your doctor wasnt taking your pain seriously. Any way you can see the other specialist that your original doctor recommended to get his/her thoughts on the subject? Stacey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Hi Lana Well I am glad to hear that surgery isnt going to be needed as that would probably just lead to more problems. Sorry you didnt feel that your doctor wasnt taking your pain seriously. Any way you can see the other specialist that your original doctor recommended to get his/her thoughts on the subject? Stacey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Hi Lana Well I am glad to hear that surgery isnt going to be needed as that would probably just lead to more problems. Sorry you didnt feel that your doctor wasnt taking your pain seriously. Any way you can see the other specialist that your original doctor recommended to get his/her thoughts on the subject? Stacey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 I am sorry but really glad too that you will not be having surgery. Take it one step at a time with the therapy and see what happens. That's the plan, right now, Deb. Thanks much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 I am sorry but really glad too that you will not be having surgery. Take it one step at a time with the therapy and see what happens. That's the plan, right now, Deb. Thanks much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Thanks Patti! It's much appreciated! Love Lana I hope you are feeling better and I hope your pain backs off. I will be keeping you in my thoughts and prayers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Thanks Patti! It's much appreciated! Love Lana I hope you are feeling better and I hope your pain backs off. I will be keeping you in my thoughts and prayers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 I haven't really decided yet for sure, Stacey, but I think I'll give PT a try, then if it doesn't help, go back to my doctor and ask to see someone else. I hate all this, but I hate the pain more. Thanks! Love Lana Any way you can see the other specialist that your original doctor recommended to get his/her thoughts on the subject? Stacey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 I haven't really decided yet for sure, Stacey, but I think I'll give PT a try, then if it doesn't help, go back to my doctor and ask to see someone else. I hate all this, but I hate the pain more. Thanks! Love Lana Any way you can see the other specialist that your original doctor recommended to get his/her thoughts on the subject? Stacey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2004 Report Share Posted April 3, 2004 Lana, I am sorry that your appointment netted you nothing and something at the same time - know what I mean? Hang in there. On the physician's list, there are a number of physiotherapists there that people have recommended in different states, would it help to consult with one of them over the phone and have the physiotherapist of your choice talk to one who is more familiar with working on someone with EDS? Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2004 Report Share Posted April 3, 2004 That's a thought, Jill.I'll get back to you about it! Thanks! Love Lana Re: Report from doctor visit Lana, I am sorry that your appointment netted you nothing and something at the same time - know what I mean? Hang in there. On the physician's list, there are a number of physiotherapists there that people have recommended in different states, would it help to consult with one of them over the phone and have the physiotherapist of your choice talk to one who is more familiar with working on someone with EDS? Jill To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://members.rogers.com/ceda2/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2004 Report Share Posted April 3, 2004 Jill, I'm re-reading this. Are you talking about the physical therapist talking with a physiotherapist??? Or the spine doctor I went to? If you mean the physical therapist I'll be going to (on Monday) I think that would be a good idea.if she's willing. I can always ask her, and if she's not willing to, perhaps I shouldn't GO there! Love Lana Re: Report from doctor visit Lana, I am sorry that your appointment netted you nothing and something at the same time - know what I mean? Hang in there. On the physician's list, there are a number of physiotherapists there that people have recommended in different states, would it help to consult with one of them over the phone and have the physiotherapist of your choice talk to one who is more familiar with working on someone with EDS? Jill To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://members.rogers.com/ceda2/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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