Re: I gotta get out of this place......Aase

April 3, 2004

if it were up to me, they could move Norway to Spain!

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Hey, Aase - we tried that once already, remember? When everyone

else used to call us Vikings?

April 3, 2004

and when that didn't work - we just took over Midwestern USA and

spread out from there

>

> if it were up to me, they could move Norway to Spain!

>

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>

> Hey, Aase - we tried that once already, remember? When everyone

> else used to call us Vikings?

April 3, 2004

and when that didn't work - we just took over Midwestern USA and

spread out from there

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Droll individual that I am, it takes a lot to drag more than a smile

or a chuckle out of me. Yours above got me laughing so hard I

almost hurt myself. Love it.

April 3, 2004

and when that didn't work - we just took over Midwestern USA and

spread out from there

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Droll individual that I am, it takes a lot to drag more than a smile

or a chuckle out of me. Yours above got me laughing so hard I

almost hurt myself. Love it.

April 5, 2004

Aase,

I love hearing about Norway. I am of Norwegian decent I am related

to " Thonda " 's (supposedly they were some kind of nobility (Lords and

Ladies type thing) way back, and she married an Australian Captail

and emigrated to Australia way back (this is like my great, great or

MORE Grandparents)) and I have a Norwegain Elkhound dog (my second)

who is in training as my Service Dog (she is only little though she

is 16 months old and the runt of the litter).

As I have never been to Norway but always wanted to one day. I love

listening to what is going on through you.

Thanx

Sharon

>

> if it were up to me, they could move Norway to Spain!

>

> ---------------------

>

> Hey, Aase - we tried that once already, remember? When everyone

> else used to call us Vikings?

April 5, 2004

Hi Sharon,

This is really interesting... I have no idea what " Thonda " is though,

but maybe it is misspelled in some sort of way. Do you know how far

back this goes? And was " Thonda " supposed to be a title, not a name?

I know Thonda is a female name, but I have never heard it here....

You got me a bit curious though, so I looked around a bit...

We don't have that much tradition for nobility here in Norway, at

least not like many other places. What we always learned was that our

Constitution of 1814 says that it was forbidden with _new_ nobility

(still says that, I guess). Then by law of 1821, all the remaining

Norwegian nobility, lost their titles. We learned also that the

Norwegian nobility died out in the middle ages before we got Danish

nobility or upper class, with one " baroni " and two " grevskap " (I

don't know the English words for this, but you are probably familiar

with barons and counts (count=greve))...

Some do disagree on this though, by defining nobility different. E.g.

you could count owners of large farms and areas of land, as nobility.

Somewhat different, but some mean it is valid anyway because they

owned a lot and had a lot of power... Anyway, the real nobility of

Norway were close to the king, and their most important privilege was

that they did not have to pay taxes...

Amongst the titles they used before that time, I can't think of

anything that is something like Thonda either... And the spelling is

a quite uncommon one here, e.g. " th " and also the ending with " a " , so

I am really not sure. But, if we go far back, when the language was

" old Norwegian " (similar to the Icelandic language today), they did

use the " th " sound, written with a " funny d " (the Icelandics use

these letters and sounds even today)... So maybe that is the

explanation? I really have no clue, I am really not much into this

part of our history... It would be interesting to know if they in

Iceland have a word like this... But when I did a web search for the

word in Norway, I came up with nothing. I found a word containing

the " funny d " and tried pasting it into the search field, but of

course it did not work

Let me see... Some of the noble titles they used here were " jarl " ,

" baron " (before 1277 they were called " lendmenn " , then they were

removed again in 1308), " vaepnere " , " grev " , " grevinne " , " ridder " etc.

I did a web search too for " Thonda " and different words as " norway " ,

" norwegian " , " nordic " , " iceland " etc., but did not come up with

anything. Lots of other things though, especially things involving

female's called Thonda.

Most people, when they try to study their Norwegian heritage, comes

back to the " Black Death " (word?), but no further since so many died

of that " plague " ... They say that most people in Norway who lived

after that, got a better life, but for the nobility it got much more

difficult, they had problems upholding their power, the

administration fell apart and the possibilities for income became

greatly reduced, leading to Norway losing it's independence. The

Kalmar Union was formed partly because of demographic coincidences,

but also as a confirmation that the Nordic countries then was a more

suitable unit back then than each nation by itself. In the same way

we then became part of the Nordic nobility, where titles and owning

land meant more than which nation you belonged to... And just so that

is said, I don't know much about this at all, I looked around a bit

on the web...

So you have an Elkhound (they are called " elghund " here)... They are

beautiful dogs. Most people who own one here, have them because they

go hunting for moose (elg = moose, not elk). Kind of funny that

they are called Elkhound and not Moosehound's... I don't see one

often here anymore, since not that many people get one as a pet only.

I grew up with several of them in the neighborhood though and a

couple of friends had them... Have a look at the web page for the

Norwegian Kennel Club... http://www.nkk.no/ Look at their logo...

Oh well, gotta go... I have so many posts to read up on, and I really

need a nap too!!!

Aase Marit

>Aase,

>I love hearing about Norway. I am of Norwegian decent I am related

>to " Thonda " 's (supposedly they were some kind of nobility (Lords and

>Ladies type thing) way back, and she married an Australian Captail

>and emigrated to Australia way back (this is like my great, great or

>MORE Grandparents)) and I have a Norwegain Elkhound dog (my second)

>who is in training as my Service Dog (she is only little though she

>is 16 months old and the runt of the litter).

>As I have never been to Norway but always wanted to one day. I love

>listening to what is going on through you.

>Thanx

>Sharon

April 6, 2004

Hi Sharon,

That it is a name makes more sense. Not that I ever saw Thonda as a

name here, but it can be something similar. I was thinking of maybe

Thondal (where dal=valley)... Tried a web search for it though with

no results... I'm sure there's a really easy explanation... But maybe

it is the name she married into... If you find her name, let me know

and I can search a bit to see where it comes from etc.

I'm sorry to hear that your mom passed away. Was it recently? That's

always tough... My mom passed away just over two years ago, but I

think about her every day...

You are so right about the Elkhound's. I didn't think of the " hound "

part of it at all. In the Norwegian kennel club's registry they are

amongst the other " spisshund " 's (Spitz Dogs), so it really makes no

sense to show them against doxie's and such... We don't even have any

elk here in this country, just the larger moose, so they didn't have

to look around much to understand that it just can't be an elkhound...

I had a scary dog experience yesterday. I have never even once met a

nice German Shepherd here in our neighborhood, all are so aggressive.

It is crazy!!! They can be such nice dogs, but something has to be

wrong to the owners who lives here.... I was standing outside talking

to a neighbor, and didn't see that a GS approached us from behind. I

only saw him when he stuck his nose into Peanut's face. Within two

seconds his owner came running and as he grabbed the dog, it started

growling and showing teeth to her... I mean, really aggressive, he

could easily have taken her had the owner been seconds later... I was

so mad!!! And the owner lets him walk around off leash without

having control over him??? If he gets anywhere near me again, I am

going to read him the text!!!! The owner that is, not the dog!!! It

is as if some of those owners get their ego's hurt if they have their

dog on a leash. Doesn't mean a thing that the regulations for this

town says that all dogs are to be on leash at all times, all year

round...

Ooooh, I have so many postings to read up on...

Aase Marit

>

>From what I remember (and my memory is shocking) Thonda was the

>surname but now I think about it Thonda might have been the name she

>married into.

>I will have to wait until I can get a hold of a copy of our family

>history (I have to go down to Mum's place and pick it all up) as I

>was unable to get everything home after Mum passed away.

>I know the Norwegian heritage was on my Grandfather's side and about

>3+ generations back.

>I too find it funny about the Norwegian Elkhound as the translas=tion

>is SO wrong it should actually be (in English) Norwegian Moose DOG as

>they are NOT hounds in the sense of the word that kennel clubs use,

>they are more related to huskies and other spitz breeds but because

>they were translated wrong they are shown against dachunds, and

>beagles and afgans and HOUNDS, instead of being shown against

>samoyeds, and huskies etc.

>Somebody stuffed up big time. They just saw elghund and thought elk

>hound and that was that instead of looking at the Norwegian language

>and seeing that elg was moose and hund was dog.

>Oh well I still love her they aren't very common here and

>mainly as pets and show dogs (they are NOt used for hunting here) and

>there are about 1000 in Australia.

>I will let you know more when I find out about my Norwegian heritage,

>thatnx so much for all of that information/

>Sharon

>

>> Hi Sharon,

>>

>> This is really interesting... I have no idea what " Thonda " is

>though,

>> but maybe it is misspelled in some sort of way. Do you know how far

>> back this goes? And was " Thonda " supposed to be a title, not a

>name?

>> I know Thonda is a female name, but I have never heard it here....

>> You got me a bit curious though, so I looked around a bit...

>>

>> We don't have that much tradition for nobility here in Norway, at

>> least not like many other places. What we always learned was that

>our

>> Constitution of 1814 says that it was forbidden with _new_ nobility

>> (still says that, I guess). Then by law of 1821, all the remaining

>> Norwegian nobility, lost their titles. We learned also that the

>> Norwegian nobility died out in the middle ages before we got Danish

>> nobility or upper class, with one " baroni " and two " grevskap " (I

>> don't know the English words for this, but you are probably

>familiar

>> with barons and counts (count=greve))...

>>

>> Some do disagree on this though, by defining nobility different.

>E.g.

>> you could count owners of large farms and areas of land, as

>nobility.

>> Somewhat different, but some mean it is valid anyway because they

>> owned a lot and had a lot of power... Anyway, the real nobility of

>> Norway were close to the king, and their most important privilege

>was

>> that they did not have to pay taxes...

>>

>> Amongst the titles they used before that time, I can't think of

>> anything that is something like Thonda either... And the spelling

>is

>> a quite uncommon one here, e.g. " th " and also the ending with " a " ,

>so

>> I am really not sure. But, if we go far back, when the language was

>> " old Norwegian " (similar to the Icelandic language today), they did

>> use the " th " sound, written with a " funny d " (the Icelandics use

>> these letters and sounds even today)... So maybe that is the

>> explanation? I really have no clue, I am really not much into this

>> part of our history... It would be interesting to know if they in

>> Iceland have a word like this... But when I did a web search for

>the

>> word in Norway, I came up with nothing. I found a word containing

>> the " funny d " and tried pasting it into the search field, but of

>> course it did not work

>>

>> Let me see... Some of the noble titles they used here were " jarl " ,

>> " baron " (before 1277 they were called " lendmenn " , then they were

>> removed again in 1308), " vaepnere " , " grev " , " grevinne " , " ridder "

>etc.

>>

>> I did a web search too for " Thonda " and different words

>as " norway " ,

>> " norwegian " , " nordic " , " iceland " etc., but did not come up with

>> anything. Lots of other things though, especially things involving

>> female's called Thonda.

>>

>> Most people, when they try to study their Norwegian heritage, comes

>> back to the " Black Death " (word?), but no further since so many

>died

>> of that " plague " ... They say that most people in Norway who lived

>> after that, got a better life, but for the nobility it got much

>more

>> difficult, they had problems upholding their power, the

>> administration fell apart and the possibilities for income became

>> greatly reduced, leading to Norway losing it's independence. The

>> Kalmar Union was formed partly because of demographic coincidences,

>> but also as a confirmation that the Nordic countries then was a

>more

>> suitable unit back then than each nation by itself. In the same way

>> we then became part of the Nordic nobility, where titles and owning

>> land meant more than which nation you belonged to... And just so

>that

>> is said, I don't know much about this at all, I looked around a bit

>> on the web...

>>

>> So you have an Elkhound (they are called " elghund " here)... They

>are

>> beautiful dogs. Most people who own one here, have them because

>they

>> go hunting for moose (elg = moose, not elk). Kind of funny that

>> they are called Elkhound and not Moosehound's... I don't see one

>> often here anymore, since not that many people get one as a pet

>only.

>> I grew up with several of them in the neighborhood though and a

>> couple of friends had them... Have a look at the web page for the

>> Norwegian Kennel Club... http://www.nkk.no/ Look at their logo...

>>

>> Oh well, gotta go... I have so many posts to read up on, and I

>really

>> need a nap too!!!

>>

>> Aase Marit

>>

>> >Aase,

>> >I love hearing about Norway. I am of Norwegian decent I am related

>> >to " Thonda " 's (supposedly they were some kind of nobility (Lords

>and

>> >Ladies type thing) way back, and she married an Australian Captail

>> >and emigrated to Australia way back (this is like my great, great

>or

>> >MORE Grandparents)) and I have a Norwegain Elkhound dog (my second)

> > >who is in training as my Service Dog (she is only little though she

>> >is 16 months old and the runt of the litter).

>> >As I have never been to Norway but always wanted to one day. I love

>> >listening to what is going on through you.

>> >Thanx

>> >Sharon

>>

April 6, 2004