Guest guest Posted April 10, 2003 Report Share Posted April 10, 2003 One of Brandt's on-going obsessions is " Alice in Wonderland " -any and all versions. Fortunately, his obsessions are usually over fairly quickly because this one would drive me bonkers! He is now watching a live action version of " Alice Through the Looking Glass " , and all I have to say is Carroll had to be on major halluceniogenic (sp?) drugs! Salli, am I right? Was this guy on cocaine or some 1800's version of peyote or something? These shows are too weird...Leggs PS This version is produced by Steve and has lovely cameos by Steve Lawrence and Edie Gormet (Tweedle Dee and Dum), Ann Jillian (the Red Queen), Karl Malden (the walrus), Carol Channing (a flower) etc. etc. It is awful and they all sing whether they can or not. We are now watching tap dancing oysters. Yee gads, this is AWFUL! Never rent it. You will be sorry... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2003 Report Share Posted April 10, 2003 I > have to say is Carroll had to be on major halluceniogenic (sp?) > drugs! Salli, am I right? Was this guy on cocaine or some 1800's > version of peyote or something? These shows are too weird...Leggs I have actually heard many times that this man was under the influence of drugs when he created Alice in Wonderland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2003 Report Share Posted April 10, 2003 Thanks, , I feel much better now. He had to be on drugs. These shows are just too trippy. And with all of these 1960's entertainers singing and dancing their way thru it, it is just too much! If I can just smuggle this tape back to Blockbuster without him knowing...Yeah, I know....fat chance! Ah,,,but wait...the second Harry Potter movie comes out on video tomorrow. Maybe I can distract him with that? Wish me luck! Leggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2003 Report Share Posted April 10, 2003 > Ah,,,but wait...the second Harry Potter movie comes out on video tomorrow. Maybe I can distract him with that? Wish me luck! Leggs Good luck!! I'd much rather watch Harry Potter than Alice in Wonderland. Even the cartoon version creeps me out! I've also heard that Carroll was doing major drugs when he wrote it. I believe it. I also believe that about the Wizard of Oz *shudders* Tina *counting days until the next Harry Potter book comes out...June 21st* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2003 Report Share Posted April 10, 2003 Sounds more like an interpretation of mercury poison to me, believe me you have to live it to believe it! The mad hatters of Carroll's time — the mercury poisoned felt- hat makers — were appropriately named. One of the symptoms of low- grade mercury poisoning is depression, loss of memory and a labile mood. With larger doses of mercury the patient is psychotic, suffers hallucinations and delusions and, like Alice's Mad Hatter, becomes demented. He may have been under influence of drugs but he had a fair knowledge of mercury poison.....makes me think. Way - hey Harry Potter is out today, that will keep Freyja happy for a good 12 months ROFLMAO Louisa > I > > have to say is Carroll had to be on major halluceniogenic > (sp?) > > drugs! Salli, am I right? Was this guy on cocaine or some 1800's > > version of peyote or something? These shows are too weird...Leggs > > I have actually heard many times that this man was under the > influence of drugs when he created Alice in Wonderland. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 Fortunately, his obsessions are usually over fairly > quickly because this one would drive me bonkers! He is now watching > a live action version of " Alice Through the Looking Glass " , and all I > have to say is Carroll had to be on major halluceniogenic (sp?) > drugs! Salli, am I right? Hmm. I don't think he was. He had weird obsessions with photographing little girls naked and he adored the Alice he wrote Alice in Wonderland for but his books are full of mathematical puzzles (for he was a mathematician) and somehow that does NOT sound druggy. But it has been a while since I read anything about him so perhaps I am wrong. Salli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 Fortunately, his obsessions are usually over fairly > quickly because this one would drive me bonkers! He is now watching > a live action version of " Alice Through the Looking Glass " , and all I > have to say is Carroll had to be on major halluceniogenic (sp?) > drugs! Salli, am I right? Hmm. I don't think he was. He had weird obsessions with photographing little girls naked and he adored the Alice he wrote Alice in Wonderland for but his books are full of mathematical puzzles (for he was a mathematician) and somehow that does NOT sound druggy. But it has been a while since I read anything about him so perhaps I am wrong. Salli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 If you type in google search, alice in wonderland drugs...it brings up a whole ton of websites about it..mostly inquiring if he was really on drugs or not. > Fortunately, his obsessions are usually over fairly > > quickly because this one would drive me bonkers! He is now watching > > a live action version of " Alice Through the Looking Glass " , and all I > > have to say is Carroll had to be on major halluceniogenic (sp?) > > drugs! Salli, am I right? > > Hmm. I don't think he was. He had weird obsessions with photographing > little girls naked and he adored the Alice he wrote Alice in Wonderland for > but his books are full of mathematical puzzles (for he was a mathematician) > and somehow that does NOT sound druggy. But it has been a while since I > read anything about him so perhaps I am wrong. > > Salli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 If you type in google search, alice in wonderland drugs...it brings up a whole ton of websites about it..mostly inquiring if he was really on drugs or not. > Fortunately, his obsessions are usually over fairly > > quickly because this one would drive me bonkers! He is now watching > > a live action version of " Alice Through the Looking Glass " , and all I > > have to say is Carroll had to be on major halluceniogenic (sp?) > > drugs! Salli, am I right? > > Hmm. I don't think he was. He had weird obsessions with photographing > little girls naked and he adored the Alice he wrote Alice in Wonderland for > but his books are full of mathematical puzzles (for he was a mathematician) > and somehow that does NOT sound druggy. But it has been a while since I > read anything about him so perhaps I am wrong. > > Salli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 > If you type in google search, alice in wonderland drugs...it brings > up a whole ton of websites about it..mostly inquiring if he was > really on drugs or not. > Yes, and if you read over the websites the general answer seems to be " no. " Perhaps the most damning piece of evidence is that mind-altering drugs were not present in n England. Most drug abuse was opium, cocaine, and alcohol. The FAQ website on Carroll said that the Carroll's drug use was a sixties myth, which, from what I have read about Carroll (and I read about it in the sixties when there was the most interest in this subject) sounds very likely. I think he was just a kind of strange guy; you don't need drugs to be that. Look at our kids! Salli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 > If you type in google search, alice in wonderland drugs...it brings > up a whole ton of websites about it..mostly inquiring if he was > really on drugs or not. > Yes, and if you read over the websites the general answer seems to be " no. " Perhaps the most damning piece of evidence is that mind-altering drugs were not present in n England. Most drug abuse was opium, cocaine, and alcohol. The FAQ website on Carroll said that the Carroll's drug use was a sixties myth, which, from what I have read about Carroll (and I read about it in the sixties when there was the most interest in this subject) sounds very likely. I think he was just a kind of strange guy; you don't need drugs to be that. Look at our kids! Salli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 They say he took Laudanum! I was about to say....thank heavens we have moved on - but have we? In some ways yes, other ways no! Louisa Laudanum was a wildly popular drug during the n era. It was an opium-based painkiller prescribed for everything from headaches to tuberculosis. n nursemaids even spoon fed the drug to cranky infants, often leading to the untimely deaths of their charges. Originally, Laudanum was thought of as a drug of the working class. As it was cheaper than gin it was not uncommon for blue-collar men and woman to binge on laudanum after a hard week's work. Use of the drug spread rapidly. Doctors of the time prescribed it for almost every aliment. Many upper-class women developed habits. The outbreak of tuberculosis may have been another factor in the drug's rising popularity. For a short period of time the tuberculosis " look " (very pale skin and frequent fainting spells) was quite in vogue. n women went to great lengths to emulate the look, often taking arsenic to pale the skin (slowly poising themselves to death). Laudanum's biggest claim to fame however was its use by the romantic poets. Many of the Pre-Raphaelites (Among them Lord Byron, and others) were know to indulge. The image of the romantic poet, pale, morose, drunk on absinthe and laudanum is a common one. The film Gothic portrays the stereotypical image of that society. In reality, most of the PRB were heavy drinkers first and formost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 > They say he took Laudanum! Who says? LOL. Although he probably did because everyone took it for something, even if it was just a headache or a toothache. Did he abuse it? I actually have no idea. But an opiate would not be MY choice of drug to write highly mathematical puzzle books which both Through the Looking Glass and Alice in Wonderland are? A bit unfair to say it was " wildly popular, " laudanum was simply the most successful painkiller of the day and, at first, it's dangerous qualities were not recognized. Even when they were, it was still the most effective painkiller known. Still is in its morphine form, actually. Surgeons were grateful; patients died of shock. (Surgeons were grateful when hard liquor was invented too; it was then the best painkiller they had) Salli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 > They say he took Laudanum! Who says? LOL. Although he probably did because everyone took it for something, even if it was just a headache or a toothache. Did he abuse it? I actually have no idea. But an opiate would not be MY choice of drug to write highly mathematical puzzle books which both Through the Looking Glass and Alice in Wonderland are? A bit unfair to say it was " wildly popular, " laudanum was simply the most successful painkiller of the day and, at first, it's dangerous qualities were not recognized. Even when they were, it was still the most effective painkiller known. Still is in its morphine form, actually. Surgeons were grateful; patients died of shock. (Surgeons were grateful when hard liquor was invented too; it was then the best painkiller they had) Salli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 LOL I'm not arguing, just I'd heard it lots, and there are websites about it. > > > > > If you type in google search, alice in wonderland drugs...it brings > > up a whole ton of websites about it..mostly inquiring if he was > > really on drugs or not. > > > > Yes, and if you read over the websites the general answer seems to be " no. " > Perhaps the most damning piece of evidence is that mind-altering drugs were > not present in n England. Most drug abuse was opium, cocaine, and > alcohol. > > The FAQ website on Carroll said that the Carroll's drug use was > a sixties myth, which, from what I have read about Carroll (and I read > about it in the sixties when there was the most interest in this subject) > sounds very likely. I think he was just a kind of strange guy; you don't > need drugs to be that. Look at our kids! > > Salli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 Louisa, Thanks! This very interesting. I never knew about hatters and mercury poisoning. No wonder the Mad Hatter is such a strange dude. Enjoy Harry Potter! Leggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 He had weird obsessions with photographing > little girls naked and he adored the Alice he wrote Alice in Wonderland for >Oh, so he was a pervert, but possibly not a druggy. That figures...Leggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 > I knew you guys would be able to answer my question. Thanks, Louisa, > Salli, and . I know a lot more than I did yesterday! Well, thanks for the fun question, Leggs. I enjoyed the whole discussion. We should do more like it. Let's see...was Genghis Khan a cross dresser? Let's check google on THAT! Salli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 > Way - hey Harry Potter is out today, that will keep Freyja happy for a good 12 months ROFLMAO > ACK!! How could I forget! I must get to the store. All 3 kids were begging for it. I even had orders that it had to be here when they got home from school. Now I'm not one to take orders from my kids but this would definitely benefit me. They'll all watch it after school and the house will be far more peaceful and won't be swimming in the 50 degree creek water..... Tina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 > One of Brandt's on-going obsessions is " Alice in Wonderland " -any and YOu have my condolences, and as much as I am a Disney-Freak, AIW, is one of my least favorites, I've seen it once, and that was too much. Kerri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 > One of Brandt's on-going obsessions is " Alice in Wonderland " -any and YOu have my condolences, and as much as I am a Disney-Freak, AIW, is one of my least favorites, I've seen it once, and that was too much. Kerri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 > One of Brandt's on-going obsessions is " Alice in Wonderland " -any and YOu have my condolences, and as much as I am a Disney-Freak, AIW, is one of my least favorites, I've seen it once, and that was too much. Kerri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 > > Let's see...was Genghis Khan a cross dresser? Let's check google on THAT! > > Salli LOL Now, Salli, THIS truly would be an interesting questions to ponder. Genghis Khan, huh? Maybe my brother knows, he's gay and into gay history. I think I will let you ask him, though. He already thinks I am nuts. Leggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 <<<<<< I also believe that about the Wizard of Oz *shudders* >>>>>> Tina .......... someone who AGREES with me! YEAH! Penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 <<<<<< I also believe that about the Wizard of Oz *shudders* >>>>>> Tina .......... someone who AGREES with me! YEAH! Penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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