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> Another benefit we have seen is he now sleeps through the night.

This

> is huge - he (and I) was awake all night, every night of his life

for

> 3 years before this.

> I am reluctant to have to wake him every 3 hours since he has come

so

> far with sleeping.

>

> Any advice or suggestions are welcomed.

>

> .

I agree with you that waking up at night is NOT fun.

You can consider sleeping far enough apart that you

can wake YOURSELF up well but not wake him-- then

give him the chelation agents without waking him up.

I'm sure this would not work for every kid, but many

parents have been able to do this. You can read some

posts about it, here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_buy_DMSA.html

Look for the sections towards the bottom, about getting

kids to take stuff, night doses, etc.

good wishes,

Moria

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> I've been researching chelation for a while and am confused! I don't

> have a Dr. to help with this - it's illegal to chelate a child in the

> province in which I live, so I'll be going it alone.

>

> My confusion arises from the following:

>

> We have been using classical homeopathy with my 4 year old son and he

> has made progress, particularly in speech. Our homeopath believes his

> body will naturally begin to clear out the metals once his energies

> and pathways are opened further. Has anyone had results clearing

> metals out using homeopathy?

This does not work. It makes the body symptoms better and the brain

symptoms worse. Permanently.

> I am thinking of using ALA to help speed the process. Is it advisable

> to use ALA and homeopathy together?

Should be fine.

>Has anyone done this?

>

> Another benefit we have seen is he now sleeps through the night. This

> is huge - he (and I) was awake all night, every night of his life for

> 3 years before this.

> I am reluctant to have to wake him every 3 hours since he has come so

> far with sleeping.

Swallowing is reflexive, he does not have to be awakened to do it. . .

...

> Any advice or suggestions are welcomed.

>

> .

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> I've been researching chelation for a while and am confused! I don't

> have a Dr. to help with this - it's illegal to chelate a child in the

> province in which I live, so I'll be going it alone.

So if anyone asks what you are doing, you should not use the word

" chelate " , you should say you are just giving him anti-oxidants for

his health.

> I am thinking of using ALA to help speed the process. Is it advisable

> to use ALA and homeopathy together? Has anyone done this?

I used ALA and it worked very well for my family. I did not use

homeopathy tho, so I can't give you info on that.

> I am reluctant to have to wake him every 3 hours since he has come so

> far with sleeping.

I did ALA every 8 hours, but not all kids tolerate that. Also, you

can consider just squirting the ALA into his mouth with a syringe.

Some people have written about that, altho that is not what I do.

Good luck.

Dana

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>

> I'm not sure what, if anything is food related. I have had serious

> asthma since September. Last week I had a one in a billion

reaction

> to something used in a bone scan and nearly went into anaphylactic

> shock. This messed with my breathing even more and things

> deteriorated into pneumonia. So, I got placed on my 3rd course of

> antibiotics and am finishing a month of prednisone. I also have

> severe adrenal insufficiency and am hypothyroid. Before I get

judged

> too harshly for this, I had basically turned my back on doctors,

> taken myself off over 20 medications and was healing myself through

> diet and doing quite well with God's help. With 102 temp, pneumonia

> and having to call an ambulance because I collapsed on the kitchen

> floor, couldn't breath, and couldn't walk, I feel I have no choice

> but to take the antibiotics and prednisone. Now they think I have a

> fungal infection in my lungs and sinuses (Aspergillus) and ran a

> bunch of tests yesterday. I won't know the results for several

weeks.

> If this is retracing it came close to killing me :)

+++Hi Patty. It would not have been retracing since you are

ingesting drugs and not completely on the program. The natural

healing process begins once you are completely on the diet and taking

all of the supplements, and if you take antibiotics or drugs it will

interfere.

> Here are my questions:

> 1. Initially, I was incredibly constipated. That has passed, but

> now I have diarrhea. Is this antibiotic or food related?

+++Good God given natural foods to not cause symptoms or diseases.

> For several days, while I was so sick I ate almost nothing but

chicken bone broth and still have diarrhea. I will feel bloated and

> constipated, yet when I go, it's an explosion of gas and liquid

> (sorry for the graphics) How do I know if it's food?

+++Diarrhea is a way for the body to get rid of toxins, which include

antibiotics and all drugs, along with candida toxins too.

> 2. I have a lot of gas and bloating: again, food or antibiotics?

+++Gas is produced by candida, and also other bacteria.

> 3. I am breaking out in yeast all over my skin...antibiotics I know,

> but how long will it take for diet to control this this without

using medication?

+++It is understandable you are breaking out. The skin is another

way the body gets rid of toxins. It takes 1 month of natural healing

for every year you've been unhealthy, which for most people nowadays

is since they were conceived.

> I am eating water kefir grains every day, drinking water

> kefir, fermented veggies etc. I have eaten no grains, sugars,

> starchy veggies, processed foods for over a year. I do take garlic

> and coconut oil. I use a mixture of coconut oil and oil of oregano

> on my skin which has always worked in the past. It is not working

> now and I have bleeding, painful sores in skin folds.

+++Re-check your foods to ensure you are following this diet:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foodslist.php

> 4. Thinks went from bad to worse when I eliminated my raw milk kefir

> after finding out I had an antibody to casein. I think kefir was

> stoking my immune system. With the positive antibody, how long

> should I remain casein free? I never saw any sign of a problem with

> raw milk.

+++Dairy products contain lactose, which is sugar, that feeds

candida, so only butter is allowed on this program. Some candida

sufferers have difficulty with casein, so they should have ghee

(clarified butter) - recipe is on my website.

+++It appears as if you haven't read some of the important articles,

such as How to Successfully Overcome Candida and Curing Candida, How

to Get Started - you can find them on my website:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/candida/index.php

Bee

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Thanks Bee,

I fermented my milk kefir for days. I doubt there was little if any

sugar left, even galactose. I have been on a totally grain free, sugar

free, no starchy vegetable diet etc for almost 18 months. I had all

symptoms of Candida controlled until the last few weeks. I ferment

water kefir 3 days with the grains and 3 to 4 more days secondary

ferment. THere is no sugar left. I make my own sauerkraut and other

cultured veggies. If anything my diet is even more restricted than

yours. Like I said, tests came back as sensitive to casein, so I have

eliminated that, right now not even using ghee, just coconut oil. I

have read the articles and I've been doing everything right for over a

year. It's just that my body is so messed up right now from everything

that's happened since September. I was just wondering if there is

anything else I can do? I'm probably taking at least 6 tablespoonsful

of coconut oil/day now that I've eliminated butter but I was doing that

before I came over here, and never had a problem with it.

> +++Dairy products contain lactose, which is sugar, that feeds

> candida, so only butter is allowed on this program. Some candida

> sufferers have difficulty with casein, so they should have ghee

> (clarified butter) - recipe is on my website.

>

> +++It appears as if you haven't read some of the important articles,

> such as How to Successfully Overcome Candida and Curing Candida, How

> to Get Started - you can find them on my website:

> http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/candida/index.php

>

> Bee

>

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> Thanks Bee,

> I fermented my milk kefir for days. I doubt there was little if

any sugar left, even galactose. I have been on a totally grain free,

sugar free, no starchy vegetable diet etc for almost 18 months. I

had all symptoms of Candida controlled until the last few weeks.

>I ferment water kefir 3 days with the grains and 3 to 4 more days

secondary ferment. THere is no sugar left. I make my own sauerkraut

and other cultured veggies. If anything my diet is even more

restricted than yours. Like I said, tests came back as sensitive to

casein, so I have eliminated that, right now not even using ghee,

just coconut oil. I have read the articles and I've been doing

everything right for over a year. It's just that my body is so

messed up right now from everything that's happened since September.

I was just wondering if there is anything else I can do? I'm

probably taking at least 6 tablespoonsful of coconut oil/day now that

I've eliminated butter but I was doing that before I came over here,

and never had a problem with it.

+++Hi Patty. The only way to cure candida is by building up your

immune system so it becomes strong enough to " make " candida " change

back " to the friendly organism it is supposed to be in the body. If

your body is messed up, you need to continue long enough on the

program to build up your immune system, which takes 1 month for every

year you've been unhealthy (for most people nowadays is since they

were conceived).

All of the supplements are important too, since my diet and

supplements work together.

Bee

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I have read the articles and I've been doing

> everything right for over a year. It's just that my body is so

> messed up right now from everything that's happened since September.

> I was just wondering if there is anything else I can do?

**** Hi Patty:

How much cod liver oil, HCl, Vitamin C, electrolyte drink, mag/calcium, Vit A

(as fish liver oil)

are you taking? Where are you at with the supplements? What other fats besides

coconut oil

are you eating? Do take the egg drink?

Just wondering about where you are at with everything Bee recommends.

Marissa

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Marissa,

I am doing the best I can on a fixed income. I am not complaining,

I'm doing fine and have learned to adapt. I do Vitamin A, Vitamin D

and Fish Oil separately as I have medical problems I'm trying to

treat without medications. I am doing the egg drink with the

addition of bone broth in it, but I'm not doing the lemon drink (due

to cost).

Supplements:

Vitamin A: 25,000 units

Vitamin D: 2400 units (plus I get more in a multi supp)(I have

osteoporosis)

Vitamin E: 1000 units mixed tocopherols with gamma (I have a clotting

disorder and history of blood clots in my lungs

Garlic: 600mg dried extract (again to keep blood thin)

Fish oil: 2400mg three times a day (for blood thinner and

inflammatory arthritis. I have much less pain on this amount than

just taking a small amount)

Daily Balance multivit and mineral: From www.alignlife.com I'm

taking the high stress dose due to severe adrenal insufficiency.

Magnesium Aspartate: 300mg elemental Mg 3x/day

Potassium Aspartate: 99mg mg elemental K 3x/day: (potassium,sodium

and chloride run low due to adrenal problems)

Vitamin B12 as methlycobalamin (sublingual): 5000mcg daily. I have

low B12 levels, but the shots are cyancobalamin which is toxic, hence

the high dose.

Vitamin B6 coenzymated: 50mg 2x/day (for asthma)

I also have been eating no grains/sugars/starchy veggies for over a

year. Right now the only extra fat I eat is coconut oil because I

recently tested sensitive to casein (which I'd been suspecting for a

while) so I'm going to go CF for at least 6 months. I am also gluten

free which is no biggie because I gave up all grains over a year

ago. I was using probably 3 tbs of butter a day and 3 tbs of coconut

oil a day before I got sick, so now I'm probably getting 5 to 6

tablespoonsful of coconut oil/day. I recently eliminated raw milk

kefir and kombucha, but have continued water kefir and cultured

veggies for probiotics. Again, I can't afford the good ones that

will actually repopulate but I already know from experience you can

do it with food.

I've experienced die off before and I honestly don't think that's

what's going on. I had eliminated virtually all symptoms of candida

overgrowth. I know it could come back with the antibiotics, but I'm

doing everything I can to prevent that. The chemical exposure in

Sept triggered asthma which knocked me back into near adrenal failure

(I had been recovering) which set me up for multiple infections.

They now think I'm having a severe allergic reaction to a fungal

infection in my lungs, but the tests won't be back for several

weeks. It doesn't matter because I will NOT take their " treatment " .

They want me on high dose prednisone for at least 6 months. I was on

low dose prednisone from 1999 to 2002 and because of that, I gained

90lbs, have cataracts, osteoporosis and lost a hip (the bone died).

Yes, all of that is directly related to prednisone use...so they are

nuts if they think I'm going to take a high dose for several months.

I have started getting better since that post, slowly but surely :)

I will try to implement any suggestions I can. Thanks :)

Patty

**** Hi Patty:

How much cod liver oil, HCl, Vitamin C, electrolyte drink,

mag/calcium, Vit A (as fish liver oil) are you taking? Where are you

at with the supplements? What other fats besides coconut oil

> are you eating? Do take the egg drink?

> Marissa

> >

>

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> Marissa,

> I am doing the best I can on a fixed income. I am not complaining,

> I'm doing fine and have learned to adapt. I do Vitamin A, Vitamin

D

> and Fish Oil separately as I have medical problems I'm trying to

> treat without medications. I am doing the egg drink with the

> addition of bone broth in it, but I'm not doing the lemon drink

(due

> to cost).

> Supplements:

> Vitamin A: 25,000 units

> Vitamin D: 2400 units (plus I get more in a multi supp)(I have

> osteoporosis)

+++Hi Patty. Remember that " more is not better, " so you are taking

way too much Vitamin D. You should take a maximum of 1,200 IU total

in all supplements that contain it. When you take too much vitamin D

your body will require more calcium and magnesium to maintain

balances, which creates problems and symptoms that are unnecessary.

> Vitamin E: 1000 units mixed tocopherols with gamma (I have a

clotting disorder and history of blood clots in my lungs

+++Again, please don't overdo taking vitamin E either. Too much

vitamin E actually depresses the immune system. If you have blood

clotting issues there's plenty of other things you are taking that

help thin the blood, without taking such high doses of vitamin E.

You shouldn't take more than 800 IU per day.

> Garlic: 600mg dried extract (again to keep blood thin)

+++The benefits of garlic are when it is raw and crushed, and most

supplements do not retain the properties during processing.

> Fish oil: 2400mg three times a day (for blood thinner and

> inflammatory arthritis. I have much less pain on this amount than

> just taking a small amount)

+++Wow! That's way too much fish oil, which is again totally

unnecessary and bombarding your body with too much for it to deal

with properly, and it causes nutrient imbalances. In fact you may be

overdoing it on blood thinners to the point you will have bleeding

issues.

> Daily Balance multivit and mineral: From www.alignlife.com I'm

> taking the high stress dose due to severe adrenal insufficiency.

+++I never recommend taking multivitamins since it is impossible for

that many nutrients to be crammed into one tablet and still maintain

quality and the correct amounts needed.

> Magnesium Aspartate: 300mg elemental Mg 3x/day

> Potassium Aspartate: 99mg mg elemental K 3x/day:

(potassium,sodium

> and chloride run low due to adrenal problems)

+++You are taking too much magnesium too. Only take 300 mg elemental

mg 2X/day along with 300 mg calcium citrate 2X/day. Magnesium and

calcium supplements must be in equal amounts.

+++Potassium and vitamin K are unnecessary on my program because they

are prevalent in foods. I recommend taking 1 1/2 teaspoons of a good

ocean sea salt which contains natural sodium plus choride for adrenal

support and the over 84 minerals in it. See my article on adrenals:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu4_7_1.php

> Vitamin B12 as methlycobalamin (sublingual): 5000mcg daily. I have

> low B12 levels, but the shots are cyancobalamin which is toxic,

hence the high dose. Vitamin B6 coenzymated: 50mg 2x/day (for asthma)

+++The only " true " vitamin B12 is found in meats and eggs, and it is

very unwise, and unnecessary, to supplement with it since B12

supplements interfere with the body's ability to absorb B12 from

foods. B12 also requires the intrinsic factor in the stomach in

order for it to be absorbed and utlized by the body. As with any

other nutrients, Vitamin B12 works with others nutrients.

>

> I also have been eating no grains/sugars/starchy veggies for over a

> year. Right now the only extra fat I eat is coconut oil because I

> recently tested sensitive to casein (which I'd been suspecting for

a while) so I'm going to go CF for at least 6 months.

+++You can make ghee from butter, where the casein is removed.

> I am also gluten free which is no biggie because I gave up all

grains over a year ago. I was using probably 3 tbs of butter a day

and 3 tbs of coconut oil a day before I got sick, so now I'm probably

getting 5 to 6 tablespoonsful of coconut oil/day. I recently

eliminated raw milk kefir and kombucha, but have continued water

kefir and cultured veggies for probiotics. Again, I can't afford the

good ones that will actually repopulate but I already know from

experience you can do it with food.

+++Patty, all candida sufferers have low adrenal function, and are

gluten intolerant.

>

> I've experienced die off before and I honestly don't think that's

> what's going on. I had eliminated virtually all symptoms of

candida overgrowth.

+++The only way to cure candida is to build up the immune system so

it becomes strong enough to " make " candida " change back " into the

friendly organism it is supposed to be. If your candida was cured

you wouldn't be getting sick. Also you are bombarding your body with

very high doses of some supplements which interferes with the healing

process, so it becomes unable to progress as it should.

I know it could come back with the antibiotics, but I'm

> doing everything I can to prevent that. The chemical exposure in

> Sept triggered asthma which knocked me back into near adrenal

failure (I had been recovering) which set me up for multiple

infections. They now think I'm having a severe allergic reaction to

a fungal infection in my lungs, but the tests won't be back for

several weeks. It doesn't matter because I will NOT take

their " treatment " .

> They want me on high dose prednisone for at least 6 months. I was

on low dose prednisone from 1999 to 2002 and because of that, I

gained 90lbs, have cataracts, osteoporosis and lost a hip (the bone

died).

> Yes, all of that is directly related to prednisone use...so they

are nuts if they think I'm going to take a high dose for several

months. I have started getting better since that post, slowly but

surely :) I will try to implement any suggestions I can. Thanks :)

+++Patty, you will do much better by following my diet and only

taking the supplements recommended, in the correct amounts, etc.

I've seen a lot of people who think " more is better " and think they

can increase low vitamins or minerals by taking more, however taking

more actually interferes with the healing processes. When you give

your body the basics it requires (and no more) it will re-balance

itself as needed. One lady on this group didn't take any iron

supplements or eat liver, yet after 6 months on my program her iron

levels went from 4 to 64. This is because this program doesn't force

or push the body, so it is able to re-balance itself naturally.

Bee

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Marissa, as I've said in previous posts, I take up to 3 teaspoonsful a

day of sea salt to try and keep ahead of fluid/electrolyte loss. I

cannot get a doctor to listen to me. They don't seem to think that

taking that much salt, drinking that much water and still being

dehydrated and having low electrolytes is a problem. My osteoporosis

is caused from 2 years of prednisone and 9 years of Coumadin while

getting little or no calcium/Vit D in my diet. Believe me, I was

taking sea salt long before I knew I should, lol.

Patty

Also low mineral (the sea salt part of the diet) is also implicated in

osteo issues. > Best,

> Marissa

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> Marissa, as I've said in previous posts, I take up to 3 teaspoonsful a

> day of sea salt to try and keep ahead of fluid/electrolyte loss. I

> cannot get a doctor to listen to me. They don't seem to think that

> taking that much salt, drinking that much water and still being

> dehydrated and having low electrolytes is a problem. My osteoporosis

> is caused from 2 years of prednisone and 9 years of Coumadin while

> getting little or no calcium/Vit D in my diet. Believe me, I was

> taking sea salt long before I knew I should, lol.

> Patty

Hey Patty:

Sounds like you have a lot to deal with and heal. I know you are trying to

solve the issues

of your illnesses and this journey has given you a lot of information to sift

through. That

is basically how I have arrived at any knowledge I have about my health...plus

Bee has

synthesized everything so clearly.

I read your last post to Bee talking about your high D levels, your high fish

oil levels and

your high mineral levels. I just want to say that the first thing that I notice

about all the

stuff that you are taking is that the levels are really high. I know you have

your reasons

for that, but I just wonder if this might be keeping you out of balance?

I understand that our bodies need minerals in trace amounts and in certain

ratios. When

you take one or two or three minerals (potassium/chloride/and something else you

mentioned) you are skewing the ratios extremely. Do you think that this might

be part of

your problem? That you are in effect depleting yourself of minerals by over

mineralizing

some of them and by taking such large amounts of sea salt? Plus all that water

sounds like

it might be overdoing it.

I know you are dealing with dehydration, but is it possible that you are keeping

yourself

dehydrated by taking too much and therefore skewing your ratios into a cycle of

depletion? What do you think?

I wonder, in a similar vein, if your extremely high levels of D and very high

levels of Fish

oil might not also be contributing to being out of balance? There is probably a

healthy

ratio there as well and you might be going past it by over consuming which

effectively

puts you into a state of depletion? What do you think of this?

I only mention this because the over-supplementation (perhaps) is the thing that

I noticed

in your posts. (The detective in me...LOL) It caught my eye and made me wonder

if this

could be a source of problems for you.

Best,

Marissa

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Marissa,

I have thought about everything you say. As far as the sea salt and

water, I have severe adrenal insufficiency, bordering on 's

disease. I have not yet decided whether to take hydrocortisone. If

I don't drink the water and take the sea salt, believe me I've tried,

I start passing out, my blood pressure drops to like 80/60, I get

shaky, sick to my stomach etc and my heart goes crazy. This has been

getting increasingly worse over the last 6 months. I believe I have

low aldosterone, possibly diabetes insipidus, but I CANNOT get anyone

to listen to me and do the tests...so, I do what I can to stay on my

feet. When I was in the ER last week, my electrolytes were low...I

had been to sick to drink as much and had only had maybe a

teaspoonful of sea salt but was still peeing large quantities every

hour or less. I collapsed on the kitchen floor. When the ambulance

got there, my blood pressure lying down was 74/40. So there is a lot

more going on than me causing an imbalance. I didn't deliberately

start drinking like that, I did it because I was extremely

thirsty...and no, it's not diabetes, they did check that. I did

replace a lot of medications with supplements, and part of me is

afraid to change them. I am looking at decreasing some of them, but

I have to make sure I keep my blood thin. I am going to start

decreasing the fish oil until the joint pain comes back, and I will

decrease the Vitamin E too for sure. Believe me, after 30 years in

the medical field, I know some of it looks crazy, lol...but until

September, I was doing great. Thank you for your suggestions...I

have a lot to think about..

I read your last post to Bee talking about your high D levels, your

high fish oil levels and

> your high mineral levels. I just want to say that the first thing

that I notice about all the

> stuff that you are taking is that the levels are really high. I

know you have your reasons

> for that, but I just wonder if this might be keeping you out of

balance?

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Patty, doesnt it feel good to be liberated? You see I am also an RN

for 20 years. It took a blood pressure pill that almost killed me

this summer for me to understand what my patients go through when I

used to insist that they take this poison.

I am 42 years old and I took Lisinopril and it gave me pre heart

failure. With supplements, my heart function is back to normal. I am

still battling candida. I took myself off of all of those drugs also.

If I stray away from my diet, I pay for it.

I work in the ICU and I just feel so helpless sometimes cause the

patients are on 10 drugs and dying a slow painful death.

The doctors dont have a clue or at least they act like they dont.

Phyllis

>

> Bee,

> 18 months ago, I was in a wheelchair, mostly in bed and took over

27

> medications. I worked in and taught pharmacy for 15 years, then 15

> years as an RN, so I was brainwashed. If I hadn't changed things I

> honestly believe I would be dead by now. I'm off all meds except

> thyroid and asthma. I was meds for virtually every part of my body

> from heart to bones. I have over 50 years of damage to undo and

have

> multiple serious medical conditions I now control with

supplements.

> I've been doing " anti-candida " for over a year and I have developed

> this supplement regime after a LOT of experimentation. I pray my

> body will eventually be able to balance itself.

>

> Vitamin D: If I take less than about 3000units, my feet hurt so

> bad I cannot walk. The bones in my feet are nearly destroyed from

> arthritis. I think Vitamin D is a lot better for me than pain

> killers.

>

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Patty,

When I read how much water you are drinking a day I thought to myself,

" Oh, that might be it! She is possibly flushing out more good stuff

than bad stuff! " I have heard that one only really needs to drink as

many ounces of water a day as half their body weight. For example: a

256lb person would drink 128oz (a gallon); 150lb person would drink

75oz (11 oz over 1/2 gallon) You may be " drowning " your system just

like a plant getting fed too much and choking out the roots. Something

to think about and research, if you're so inclined.

Chandra

>

> Bee,

> 18 months ago, I was in a wheelchair, mostly in bed and took over 27

> medications. I worked in and taught pharmacy for 15 years, then 15

> years as an RN, so I was brainwashed. If I hadn't changed things I

> honestly believe I would be dead by now. I'm off all meds except

> thyroid and asthma. I was meds for virtually every part of my body

> from heart to bones. I have over 50 years of damage to undo and have

> multiple serious medical conditions I now control with supplements.

> I've been doing " anti-candida " for over a year and I have developed

> this supplement regime after a LOT of experimentation. I pray my

> body will eventually be able to balance itself.

>

> Vitamin D: If I take less than about 3000units, my feet hurt so

> bad I cannot walk. The bones in my feet are nearly destroyed from

> arthritis. I think Vitamin D is a lot better for me than pain

> killers.

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