Re: Big Pharm wants you to vote Republican, Andy wants you to think!

July 19, 2004

I find it truly nauseating that people on this list yammer and yammer

and yammer about how evil the republicans are when their children are

autistic because of Clinton (who worked very hard to get lots

and lots of new vaccinations rammed through the FDA, and put on the

schedule at a very young age instead of the way it used to be done, and

to get pedes to actually GIVE them early and insurance to actually

cover and insist on all those well baby visits).

This is the same Clinton whose health plan would have made it a

felony for any of you to do what you do with your children, for any

doctor to prescribe what you do for your children, or for any of you to

implement anything we discuss on this list to help your children.

And Henry Waxman, California Democrat, is the one who kept wanting to

prevent hearings on thimerosal so as to not upset parents and get them

to not vaccinate.

Republicans (led by Burton) held those hearings, and a republican

(Weldon) sponsored a bill to ban thimerosal. Burton and Mazine Waters

(D, and a black lady) are pushing a bill to ban medical mercury. This

is NOT a partisan issue.

I am NOT saying the Republicans don't have more than enough blame (Big

Bush signed the legislation that Clinton used to do this and

that created the Vaccine Injury Kangaroo court - passed by a democratic

Congress). And of course Little Bush and Billie Boy Frist want to pass

laws retroactively eliminating liability for Eli Lilly and other

companies their families own lots of stock in.

I AM saying that unless you all grow up enough to pay attention to

policies instead of parties there is really no hope for the kinds of

problems we have now to be solved, or for millions more children to be

protected from medical torture and brain damage at the hands of that

state sponsored crime against humanity known as " mainstream medicine. "

If you want to actually do some good, stop paying attention to party

labels! Start paying attention to where each official and each

challenger stand on issues of medical freedom. Ask them. Do it now.

Let them know as far as you are concerned the government has NO BUSINES

ever making any health care decisions for anyone and you are really

upset about the government conspiring with the criminals to hide the

evidence they did damage and should pay for it.

Things might actually get better if you vote for D's or R's who are for

health freedom, and against D's and R's who want to give government

certified experts authority to make decisions for you.

Things will only get worse if you vote a straight party ticket either

way. Unfortunately this is not a party issue so there is no simple

solution like vote for democrats or vote for republicans.

Andy . . . . .. . . . . .

July 19, 2004

Im voting for the Man that has slammed big pharmecutical companies

in the past NOT for one who protects them...Its personal, when its

your child that has been poisoned! I could careless if he was a R or

a D....I care about slamming the morons who have poisoned my son! If

your wife was hit by a drunk driver and left profoundly disabled and

the judge did everything he could to protect that drunk driver you

would take it very personal!

Donna

> I find it truly nauseating that people on this list yammer and

yammer

> and yammer about how evil the republicans are when their children

are

> autistic

July 19, 2004

Democrats and Republicans are both career politicians who will always

cater to their largest campaign contributors. Nader is the only

chance to help our kids. You will not be wasting your vote by voting

against the status quo. You are voting against your children by

voting for any incumbent career politician. Remember that the only

thing a politician actually does is run for office. They are

basically liars and simply, well paid front men for big business

corruption at our expense.

> I find it truly nauseating that people on this list yammer and

yammer

> and yammer about how evil the republicans are when their children

are

> autistic because of Clinton (who worked very hard to get

lots

> and lots of new vaccinations rammed through the FDA, and put on the

> schedule at a very young age instead of the way it used to be done,

and

> to get pedes to actually GIVE them early and insurance to actually

> cover and insist on all those well baby visits).

>

> This is the same Clinton whose health plan would have made

it a

> felony for any of you to do what you do with your children, for any

> doctor to prescribe what you do for your children, or for any of

you to

> implement anything we discuss on this list to help your children.

>

> And Henry Waxman, California Democrat, is the one who kept wanting

to

> prevent hearings on thimerosal so as to not upset parents and get

them

> to not vaccinate.

>

> Republicans (led by Burton) held those hearings, and a republican

> (Weldon) sponsored a bill to ban thimerosal. Burton and Mazine

Waters

> (D, and a black lady) are pushing a bill to ban medical mercury.

This

> is NOT a partisan issue.

>

> I am NOT saying the Republicans don't have more than enough blame

(Big

> Bush signed the legislation that Clinton used to do this and

> that created the Vaccine Injury Kangaroo court - passed by a

democratic

> Congress). And of course Little Bush and Billie Boy Frist want to

pass

> laws retroactively eliminating liability for Eli Lilly and other

> companies their families own lots of stock in.

>

> I AM saying that unless you all grow up enough to pay attention to

> policies instead of parties there is really no hope for the kinds

of

> problems we have now to be solved, or for millions more children to

be

> protected from medical torture and brain damage at the hands of

that

> state sponsored crime against humanity known as " mainstream

medicine. "

>

> If you want to actually do some good, stop paying attention to

party

> labels! Start paying attention to where each official and each

> challenger stand on issues of medical freedom. Ask them. Do it

now.

> Let them know as far as you are concerned the government has NO

BUSINES

> ever making any health care decisions for anyone and you are really

> upset about the government conspiring with the criminals to hide

the

> evidence they did damage and should pay for it.

>

> Things might actually get better if you vote for D's or R's who are

for

> health freedom, and against D's and R's who want to give government

> certified experts authority to make decisions for you.

>

> Things will only get worse if you vote a straight party ticket

either

> way. Unfortunately this is not a party issue so there is no simple

> solution like vote for democrats or vote for republicans.

>

> Andy . . . . .. . . . . .

July 19, 2004

Of course, the flip side to the " personal " coin is maybe Bush takes all of us

families as a personal threat to the fortunes of many of his biggest supporters?

Ambition is a rather selective form of blindness after all.

I'm not about to vote for a man that has thrice rejected urgent pleas from Dan

Burton to once, and for all, hold a White House Conference on Autism. There is

no excuse to reject our children the way that the Bush White House has done.

Bush is a man that claimed to be a Washington " Outsider " . A man willing to reach

across the isle. The reality here is Bush and a massive following of

" preservative " republicans have done everything they can do to prevent us on

behalf of our children from ever knowing the truth, finding a way out of this

mess, and ever receiving compensation. If cutting a deal with Columbia

Healthcare and sealing vaccine records within the first few days in the Oval

Office isn't a dead giveaway to the man's true intentions, how about slipping in

a rider to Homeland Security bill at ten o'clock at night after OUR

representatives went home for the night, using Tax Payer money to order up a

kazillion dollar's worth of vaccines that are destined to collect dust inside a

government warehouse for the next thirty years?!?!?!?!?! Yet these are just a

few of the tricks Bush has played in his four years.

And do we have any idea of how much of OUR hard-earned money paid in taxes is

being made available by Bush White House to defend the drug and vaccine

manufacturers in the form of legal services and direct legal aid? Do we have any

idea how much money is wasted every time Senator Frist tries to immunize Eli

Lily and all the rest of the mercury dealers from good old fashioned U.S. code?

Sure we don't even think about the tax dollars the federal government is

spending to defend just another business from their own boo boo, yet it does

appear that justice is just another item in the hip pockets of the drug

companies.

It's very safe to say that the drug companies OWN the average medical practice,

the Bush presidency, they run the OSM, IOM, CDC, FDA, and they are

corrupting and bribing their way through Congress and state legislatures

wherever they can.

And while we are at it, let's throw all those vaccine and drug company marketing

specialists into to our stew of guilty dogs? Ultimately they were the ones

pushing people around to increase sales even when it meant ignoring safety.

Was mercury poisoning a surprise outcome of vaccinations? Not hardly. Check out

the German version of an MSDS that the German government requires Merck to post:

http://d40-a6.merck.de/pls/pi03/web2.art_direct?text=817043 & screen=110 & lang=4 & re\

ferer=0

Don't forget to click on the T+ next to the SKULL AND CROSSBONES!

Ralph Nadar whiffed at thimerosal. I never heard him file a suit to stop

mercury-laced vaccines in their tracks. Bad medicine like mercury-laced vaccines

should have been recalled immediately. That's the kind of stuff Nadar was

renowned for, but where was Ralph when the safety of thimerosal came to light?

The real issue we have is where does Kerry and stand on OUR

issue? I do know that Senator Ted Kennedy has been a real champion for our

rights,and that he and Senator Kerry are very close. Why can't SAFEMINDS or

somebody run a survey by Kerry and report back to us?

The time is now for somebody to ask Kerry and their position on OUR

issue.

[ ] Re: Big Pharm wants you to vote Republican, Andy

wants you to think!

Im voting for the Man that has slammed big pharmecutical companies

in the past NOT for one who protects them...Its personal, when its

your child that has been poisoned! I could careless if he was a R or

a D....I care about slamming the morons who have poisoned my son! If

your wife was hit by a drunk driver and left profoundly disabled and

the judge did everything he could to protect that drunk driver you

would take it very personal!

Donna

> I find it truly nauseating that people on this list yammer and

yammer

> and yammer about how evil the republicans are when their children

are

> autistic

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July 19, 2004

Lots of us have asked Mr Ketchup his position. He never replies.

July 20, 2004

I agree both parties are owned by corporations. HOwever, from a 'lesser of

two evil standpoint' and not so much the vaccine issue, it's been since Bush

has been in office that states are so cash strapped they're cutting services

left and right. I lived in two states (Ohio and Wisconsin) in which my sons

had medicaid waivers for autism which no longer exist due to cuts. Yes, the

economy is cyclical, but the tax cuts hurt the states and, subsequently,

services for our children.

[ ] Re: Big Pharm wants you to vote Republican,

Andy wants you to think!