Re: New Thyroids and clones

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One of me in the world is enough! Probably too much at times!

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One of me in the world is enough! Probably too much at times!

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One of me in the world is enough! Probably too much at times!

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Chris-

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I totally agree with you regarding nature vs nurture. However, I think

having a child that closely resembles you and having a child that has your

exact genetic composition are very different. Maybe I'm not as mature as

most people (in fact, I kinda pride myself on that ;-), but I know that I

would treat a 'natural' child differently that I'd treat a clone of myself.

How could I not? I'd turn into one of those hypochondriac, over-protective

mothers, trying to prevent my child from having the same health problems I

do.

In a message dated 9/26/2002 12:56:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

mlbuck@... writes:

> Even if you created a clone of yourself, it would

> have a different environment growing up which would shape it's personality

> differently. In my opinion, it would be the same genetically, but not the

> same _person_.

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LOL! I find this whole discussion amusing because I have at least one child

that is a clone of myself! He's a male clone. He looks exactly like my

brother, who looks like the male version of me. He has my personality in

almost its entirety, like it was just cut out of me and dumped into him! He

worries about all the same things I worried about at his age, has the same

low tolerance for change and frustration I had at his age, etc. My husband

already calls him the " Mini-Me " . Yes, it's terribly difficult to know all

the angst he'll have because of this, but I believe in the nature vs. nuture

theory. His life is already better than mine at the same age because I

understand exactly how he feels and can give him coping strategies that have

taken me my lifetime of experience thus far to figure out. Wish I had that!

So all this business of people creating clones of themselves to have a clone

of _themselves_ is silly. Even if you created a clone of yourself, it would

have a different environment growing up which would shape it's personality

differently. In my opinion, it would be the same genetically, but not the

same _person_. Just as identical twins are different personalitywise.

Friends/enemies you had in school, your neighborhood, lifestyle,

triumphs/tragedies you experienced growing up all effect your personality

and unless you could duplicate those experiences for your clone, it would

not be the same person. The clone would have the same genetic tendencies,

but may not develop the same way because of nuture issues. For example, if I

had a clone, it would have the same genetic tendencies I have for GD.

However, maybe my clone never has children. For me, that was one of the

" triggers " that led to my development of GD. Another was having my daughter

break her arm and a trip to ER with 3 kids. My clone, never having had

children, wouldn't have this stressful event as a " trigger " . So perhaps she

doesn't develop GD, or at least doesn't develop it at the same age I did.

Perhaps she takes better care of herself not having any children and more

time to do so. None of this can be proven, but it would sure make an

interesting experiment! Nuture plays a bigger part in our lives than I think

anyone realizes.

It would make a cool science experiment, though! I'm willing to donate the

rest of my eggs. They all turn out to look like the same child anyway, so it

wouldn't matter how you fertilize 'em! I've got 3 and they all look like

clones of each other!

Re: New Thyroids

> In a message dated 9/26/2002 8:40:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> simon@... writes:

>

>

> > I'd be concerned about practical issues with making healthy

> > clones safely, but once the technology is as safe as other

> > fertility treatments, why not?

> >

>

> Even if cloning were as safe as other fertility treatments, I have to

wonder

> about the psychological impact to the child. Imagine that your child is a

> clone of yourself. As you watch your Mini Me go through a particularly

> awkward time of life, you remember exactly how much that phase of life

hurt

> and want desparately to intervene. Of course, you'd feel the same if your

> child weren't a clone. But, unlike a natural child, you know exactly how

> long this difficult phase will last. Maybe you were 18 before you hit a

> growth spurt. What do you say to your child who is crying that at 12, all

> the other kids, including girls, are 6 inches taller than he is. Perhaps

he

> doesn't have the sense of humor and ability to shrug off teasing like you

> did. Or maybe your child is overweight and you remember that you dieted

> unsuccessfully all your life and you don't want your baby to go through

the

> same thing. So, you put her on a diet and exercise program, reaffirm her

> insecurites, and ensure she'll have an unhealthy body image for the rest

of

> her life. I don't know about you, but adolescence was rough for me. My

> emotions would overwelm my judgement if I watched someone who looked just

> like me go through the same thing.

>

> Tori

>

sob>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

LOL! I find this whole discussion amusing because I have at least one child

that is a clone of myself! He's a male clone. He looks exactly like my

brother, who looks like the male version of me. He has my personality in

almost its entirety, like it was just cut out of me and dumped into him! He

worries about all the same things I worried about at his age, has the same

low tolerance for change and frustration I had at his age, etc. My husband

already calls him the " Mini-Me " . Yes, it's terribly difficult to know all

the angst he'll have because of this, but I believe in the nature vs. nuture

theory. His life is already better than mine at the same age because I

understand exactly how he feels and can give him coping strategies that have

taken me my lifetime of experience thus far to figure out. Wish I had that!

So all this business of people creating clones of themselves to have a clone

of _themselves_ is silly. Even if you created a clone of yourself, it would

have a different environment growing up which would shape it's personality

differently. In my opinion, it would be the same genetically, but not the

same _person_. Just as identical twins are different personalitywise.

Friends/enemies you had in school, your neighborhood, lifestyle,

triumphs/tragedies you experienced growing up all effect your personality

and unless you could duplicate those experiences for your clone, it would

not be the same person. The clone would have the same genetic tendencies,

but may not develop the same way because of nuture issues. For example, if I

had a clone, it would have the same genetic tendencies I have for GD.

However, maybe my clone never has children. For me, that was one of the

" triggers " that led to my development of GD. Another was having my daughter

break her arm and a trip to ER with 3 kids. My clone, never having had

children, wouldn't have this stressful event as a " trigger " . So perhaps she

doesn't develop GD, or at least doesn't develop it at the same age I did.

Perhaps she takes better care of herself not having any children and more

time to do so. None of this can be proven, but it would sure make an

interesting experiment! Nuture plays a bigger part in our lives than I think

anyone realizes.

It would make a cool science experiment, though! I'm willing to donate the

rest of my eggs. They all turn out to look like the same child anyway, so it

wouldn't matter how you fertilize 'em! I've got 3 and they all look like

clones of each other!

Re: New Thyroids

> In a message dated 9/26/2002 8:40:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> simon@... writes:

>

>

> > I'd be concerned about practical issues with making healthy

> > clones safely, but once the technology is as safe as other

> > fertility treatments, why not?

> >

>

> Even if cloning were as safe as other fertility treatments, I have to

wonder

> about the psychological impact to the child. Imagine that your child is a

> clone of yourself. As you watch your Mini Me go through a particularly

> awkward time of life, you remember exactly how much that phase of life

hurt

> and want desparately to intervene. Of course, you'd feel the same if your

> child weren't a clone. But, unlike a natural child, you know exactly how

> long this difficult phase will last. Maybe you were 18 before you hit a

> growth spurt. What do you say to your child who is crying that at 12, all

> the other kids, including girls, are 6 inches taller than he is. Perhaps

he

> doesn't have the sense of humor and ability to shrug off teasing like you

> did. Or maybe your child is overweight and you remember that you dieted

> unsuccessfully all your life and you don't want your baby to go through

the

> same thing. So, you put her on a diet and exercise program, reaffirm her

> insecurites, and ensure she'll have an unhealthy body image for the rest

of

> her life. I don't know about you, but adolescence was rough for me. My

> emotions would overwelm my judgement if I watched someone who looked just

> like me go through the same thing.

>

> Tori

>

sob>

>

>

>

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I disagree. We could definitely use more people like you in this

world. You're thoughtful, helpful, kind and caring - not to mention

a courageous young lady!

Love ya,

Chris

> One of me in the world is enough! Probably too much at times!

>

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