Re: botox injections into muscles anyone?

[Guest guest]

My neurologist yesterday told me that I needed to have botox

injections...not in my face but into muscles. Have any of you had

that done. I may have missed this discussion if so. Is it dangerous?

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My first question would be " Why? "

I can not give you the citation off the top of my head (Barb might

be able to remember it or find it), but about two years ago when my

involvement with CEDA was limited to Barb forwarding selected emails

to me, there was some activity about Botox being used for trigger

points with some very adverse reactions.

Other than for cosmetic purposes, " freezing " trigger points is the

primary use I have read about for Botox. Yes, there are some other

legitimate, very specialized, medical uses for it. But it is grossly

overused and abused, not by patients, but by doctors who are too

damn lazy, greedy or ignorant to address the real problem.

I will admit right up front that I am biased - I detest Botox. If I

really gave my opinion of it I would be banned from the board

because of the language I would use.

Having said that, if the purpose is for trigger point relief, its

use is totally unnecessary. There are very effective manual

therapies/treatments for trigger points. The easiest is simple,

sustained, direct pressure with the thumb or a finger tip into the

trigger point until the referral pattern pulls back and the local

pain drops to just finger pressure. For major trigger points, it

sometimes take a handful of treatments to get rid of them, but they

can be made to go away manually. And this is also something that can

be done at home.

When Botox is used for trigger point therapy, the Botox is injected

into the muscle in/at the trigger point. It doesn't " fix "

anything. All it does is paralyze the muscle at the location. It is

a form of suppression therapy and it is in no way a permanent cure.

Anything but, because it wears off. I don't know the normal

duration for this application, but cosmetic injections normally are

good for about three months and then have to be repeated. It also

does nothing to restore normal muscle function. In one sense, it is

similar in concept to a spinal fusion but done in a muscle. instead.

There are, however, patients who love it because they can go in and

get that quick " fix " - a quick injection for immediate " relief. "

Yes, there is a immediate relief, but it is just a masking relief

that doesn't address the underlying problem.

If the injection is being recommended for something other than

trigger points, I would withhold any comments until I knew what the

purpose was. My above comments refer to trigger points.

[Guest guest]

My neurologist yesterday told me that I needed to have botox

injections...not in my face but into muscles. Have any of you had

that done. I may have missed this discussion if so. Is it dangerous?

>

----------------------

My first question would be " Why? "

I can not give you the citation off the top of my head (Barb might

be able to remember it or find it), but about two years ago when my

involvement with CEDA was limited to Barb forwarding selected emails

to me, there was some activity about Botox being used for trigger

points with some very adverse reactions.

Other than for cosmetic purposes, " freezing " trigger points is the

primary use I have read about for Botox. Yes, there are some other

legitimate, very specialized, medical uses for it. But it is grossly

overused and abused, not by patients, but by doctors who are too

damn lazy, greedy or ignorant to address the real problem.

I will admit right up front that I am biased - I detest Botox. If I

really gave my opinion of it I would be banned from the board

because of the language I would use.

Having said that, if the purpose is for trigger point relief, its

use is totally unnecessary. There are very effective manual

therapies/treatments for trigger points. The easiest is simple,

sustained, direct pressure with the thumb or a finger tip into the

trigger point until the referral pattern pulls back and the local

pain drops to just finger pressure. For major trigger points, it

sometimes take a handful of treatments to get rid of them, but they

can be made to go away manually. And this is also something that can

be done at home.

When Botox is used for trigger point therapy, the Botox is injected

into the muscle in/at the trigger point. It doesn't " fix "

anything. All it does is paralyze the muscle at the location. It is

a form of suppression therapy and it is in no way a permanent cure.

Anything but, because it wears off. I don't know the normal

duration for this application, but cosmetic injections normally are

good for about three months and then have to be repeated. It also

does nothing to restore normal muscle function. In one sense, it is

similar in concept to a spinal fusion but done in a muscle. instead.

There are, however, patients who love it because they can go in and

get that quick " fix " - a quick injection for immediate " relief. "

Yes, there is a immediate relief, but it is just a masking relief

that doesn't address the underlying problem.

If the injection is being recommended for something other than

trigger points, I would withhold any comments until I knew what the

purpose was. My above comments refer to trigger points.

[Guest guest]

Oh Boy!

I'm sure you'll get a response on this one from Mike!

My understanding of it is ------- Don't do it.

My daughter's dr wanted to do needle injections into 12 points on her back, 10

sessions of this. He wasn't going to put any drug in the needle at all. He

said a lot of different drugs are used, and the only thing that's the same is

the needle itself.

Well, we aren't ready to let him do that! Not to a 15 year old girl. And,

after 3 hours with Mike, she felt so much better, that we know we made the right

decision.

I don't think it's necessary. At least until you've tried everything else, and

researched it fully.

I've heard the botox injections into muscles is dangerous. I even heard of

people dying from it.

Try some other things - less invasive things - first.

[Guest guest]

Oh Boy!

I'm sure you'll get a response on this one from Mike!

My understanding of it is ------- Don't do it.

My daughter's dr wanted to do needle injections into 12 points on her back, 10

sessions of this. He wasn't going to put any drug in the needle at all. He

said a lot of different drugs are used, and the only thing that's the same is

the needle itself.

Well, we aren't ready to let him do that! Not to a 15 year old girl. And,

after 3 hours with Mike, she felt so much better, that we know we made the right

decision.

I don't think it's necessary. At least until you've tried everything else, and

researched it fully.

I've heard the botox injections into muscles is dangerous. I even heard of

people dying from it.

Try some other things - less invasive things - first.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/3/2004 7:26:34 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Mdmssmile@... writes:

Have any of you had that done

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Not yet but it is being talked about for me too.

I don't know much either.

Debbi

I believe that....

Friends are angels who lift us to our feet

when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly.

[Guest guest]

botox injections into muscles anyone?

> My neurologist yesterday told me that I needed to have botox

injections...not

> in my face but into muscles. Have any of you had that done. I may have

missed

> this discussion if so. Is it dangerous?

>

- what is the reasoning for the botox injections?

[Guest guest]

botox injections into muscles anyone?

> My neurologist yesterday told me that I needed to have botox

injections...not

> in my face but into muscles. Have any of you had that done. I may have

missed

> this discussion if so. Is it dangerous?

>

- what is the reasoning for the botox injections?

[Guest guest]

I have had this done several times. Botox is a posion and it temporarily

paraylses the muscle, they have found it to be very successful in neuromotor

disorders. I have them for severe pectoral muscle spasms. They seem to work

really good... but they aren't to pleasant to get. Wish I could write more but

I have to run...

Jeff