Re: Armour Thyroid not working?

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I felt exactly like that when I took Synthroid. Your body, your genetic and physical make up is completely different from everyone elses. Some people do well on synthetic thyroid meds, some people do well on natural, others do well on a mix of both. I would guess if you're still on Armour and haven't had it work for you, that there is something else in the mix hormonal as well. It's not just your thyroid that makes up the endocrine system. You have your adrenal glands, pancreas and others. Have you ever had a complete metabolic work up? Has your doc ever checked all of your hormones (from estrogen to testosterone and all inbetween) with your thyroid & adrenal levels??

Usually from the things I've read, people I've talked to, etc. if you try Armour (which has all needed thyroid hormones in it) and your body doesn't respond, it's something else that causes it. It's like my doc used to tell me that my facial puffiness had nothing to do with my thyroid. I thought he was off his gourd because every time I took a pill it made my face lose puffiness & return to normal within about 15 minutes... I then realized that taking the Armour would trigger my adrenal glands to pump out a bit and that is what would help. Now I know that my adrenals are my main problem in my body.

You'll have to figure out what is your internal 'switch' like that too. Maybe your thyroid is just the 'scapegoat' like mine is. Keep your chin up .... you WILL get better. YOU WILL!!!

Armour Thyroid not working?

Hi everyone,Does anyone here have personal experience with Armourthyroid NOT working for them? I've been on it sinceJanuary 2006, worked my way up to 120mg (with my doc)and it hasn't helped AT ALL. In fact, I continue togain weight and have no energy, etc.I'm weaning off the Armour (with my doc) so I can tryanother thyroid med(s). As I'm weaning off, I feel nodifference either - it's like it literally doesnothing for me. I'm frustrated because with everythingI've heard and read, Armour thyroid is the bestbecause it's natural. Does anyone have any personalexperience or advice?Thanks, as always!! M.__________________________________________________________Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the New Yahoo.com (http://www.yahoo.com/preview)

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I felt exactly like that when I took Synthroid. Your body, your genetic and physical make up is completely different from everyone elses. Some people do well on synthetic thyroid meds, some people do well on natural, others do well on a mix of both. I would guess if you're still on Armour and haven't had it work for you, that there is something else in the mix hormonal as well. It's not just your thyroid that makes up the endocrine system. You have your adrenal glands, pancreas and others. Have you ever had a complete metabolic work up? Has your doc ever checked all of your hormones (from estrogen to testosterone and all inbetween) with your thyroid & adrenal levels??

Usually from the things I've read, people I've talked to, etc. if you try Armour (which has all needed thyroid hormones in it) and your body doesn't respond, it's something else that causes it. It's like my doc used to tell me that my facial puffiness had nothing to do with my thyroid. I thought he was off his gourd because every time I took a pill it made my face lose puffiness & return to normal within about 15 minutes... I then realized that taking the Armour would trigger my adrenal glands to pump out a bit and that is what would help. Now I know that my adrenals are my main problem in my body.

You'll have to figure out what is your internal 'switch' like that too. Maybe your thyroid is just the 'scapegoat' like mine is. Keep your chin up .... you WILL get better. YOU WILL!!!

Armour Thyroid not working?

Hi everyone,Does anyone here have personal experience with Armourthyroid NOT working for them? I've been on it sinceJanuary 2006, worked my way up to 120mg (with my doc)and it hasn't helped AT ALL. In fact, I continue togain weight and have no energy, etc.I'm weaning off the Armour (with my doc) so I can tryanother thyroid med(s). As I'm weaning off, I feel nodifference either - it's like it literally doesnothing for me. I'm frustrated because with everythingI've heard and read, Armour thyroid is the bestbecause it's natural. Does anyone have any personalexperience or advice?Thanks, as always!! M.__________________________________________________________Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the New Yahoo.com (http://www.yahoo.com/preview)

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I felt exactly like that when I took Synthroid. Your body, your genetic and physical make up is completely different from everyone elses. Some people do well on synthetic thyroid meds, some people do well on natural, others do well on a mix of both. I would guess if you're still on Armour and haven't had it work for you, that there is something else in the mix hormonal as well. It's not just your thyroid that makes up the endocrine system. You have your adrenal glands, pancreas and others. Have you ever had a complete metabolic work up? Has your doc ever checked all of your hormones (from estrogen to testosterone and all inbetween) with your thyroid & adrenal levels??

Usually from the things I've read, people I've talked to, etc. if you try Armour (which has all needed thyroid hormones in it) and your body doesn't respond, it's something else that causes it. It's like my doc used to tell me that my facial puffiness had nothing to do with my thyroid. I thought he was off his gourd because every time I took a pill it made my face lose puffiness & return to normal within about 15 minutes... I then realized that taking the Armour would trigger my adrenal glands to pump out a bit and that is what would help. Now I know that my adrenals are my main problem in my body.

You'll have to figure out what is your internal 'switch' like that too. Maybe your thyroid is just the 'scapegoat' like mine is. Keep your chin up .... you WILL get better. YOU WILL!!!

Armour Thyroid not working?

Hi everyone,Does anyone here have personal experience with Armourthyroid NOT working for them? I've been on it sinceJanuary 2006, worked my way up to 120mg (with my doc)and it hasn't helped AT ALL. In fact, I continue togain weight and have no energy, etc.I'm weaning off the Armour (with my doc) so I can tryanother thyroid med(s). As I'm weaning off, I feel nodifference either - it's like it literally doesnothing for me. I'm frustrated because with everythingI've heard and read, Armour thyroid is the bestbecause it's natural. Does anyone have any personalexperience or advice?Thanks, as always!! M.__________________________________________________________Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the New Yahoo.com (http://www.yahoo.com/preview)

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P.S. I have a friend of mine that takes well over 200mg a day in Armour... I'd love to see her blood results LOL

Armour Thyroid not working?

Hi everyone,Does anyone here have personal experience with Armourthyroid NOT working for them? I've been on it sinceJanuary 2006, worked my way up to 120mg (with my doc)and it hasn't helped AT ALL. In fact, I continue togain weight and have no energy, etc.I'm weaning off the Armour (with my doc) so I can tryanother thyroid med(s). As I'm weaning off, I feel nodifference either - it's like it literally doesnothing for me. I'm frustrated because with everythingI've heard and read, Armour thyroid is the bestbecause it's natural. Does anyone have any personalexperience or advice?Thanks, as always!! M.__________________________________________________________Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the New Yahoo.com (http://www.yahoo.com/preview)

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P.S. I have a friend of mine that takes well over 200mg a day in Armour... I'd love to see her blood results LOL

Armour Thyroid not working?

Hi everyone,Does anyone here have personal experience with Armourthyroid NOT working for them? I've been on it sinceJanuary 2006, worked my way up to 120mg (with my doc)and it hasn't helped AT ALL. In fact, I continue togain weight and have no energy, etc.I'm weaning off the Armour (with my doc) so I can tryanother thyroid med(s). As I'm weaning off, I feel nodifference either - it's like it literally doesnothing for me. I'm frustrated because with everythingI've heard and read, Armour thyroid is the bestbecause it's natural. Does anyone have any personalexperience or advice?Thanks, as always!! M.__________________________________________________________Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the New Yahoo.com (http://www.yahoo.com/preview)

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You may have a lot of variables here, so I want to be very carefule what I

say, so I'll ask a few questions here. Have you ever had chemical exposure,

as in insecticides, worked in a chemical plant, that sort of thing? That's

just a skeleton question for something called Multiple Chemical Sensitivity

Disorder, and some people, from the time that they have originally become

" poisoned " , more or less, find that their cellular receptors for many

things, including thyroid hormones, do not work properly. Those are the

people who have to have massive amts of thyroid meds, particularly T3, in

order to " flood " their little cell receptors to get them working again, so

to speak. I'm not telling you to do this, as that will be between you and

whatever doctor that specializes in this, but I'm just throwing it out there

as a very huge possibility. Do you know of any time that you've ever

possibly had these types of chemical exposures?

Armour Thyroid not working?

> Hi everyone,

>

> Does anyone here have personal experience with Armour

> thyroid NOT working for them? I've been on it since

> January 2006, worked my way up to 120mg (with my doc)

> and it hasn't helped AT ALL. In fact, I continue to

> gain weight and have no energy, etc.

>

> I'm weaning off the Armour (with my doc) so I can try

> another thyroid med(s). As I'm weaning off, I feel no

> difference either - it's like it literally does

> nothing for me. I'm frustrated because with everything

> I've heard and read, Armour thyroid is the best

> because it's natural. Does anyone have any personal

> experience or advice?

>

> Thanks, as always!!

>

> M.

[Guest guest]

You may have a lot of variables here, so I want to be very carefule what I

say, so I'll ask a few questions here. Have you ever had chemical exposure,

as in insecticides, worked in a chemical plant, that sort of thing? That's

just a skeleton question for something called Multiple Chemical Sensitivity

Disorder, and some people, from the time that they have originally become

" poisoned " , more or less, find that their cellular receptors for many

things, including thyroid hormones, do not work properly. Those are the

people who have to have massive amts of thyroid meds, particularly T3, in

order to " flood " their little cell receptors to get them working again, so

to speak. I'm not telling you to do this, as that will be between you and

whatever doctor that specializes in this, but I'm just throwing it out there

as a very huge possibility. Do you know of any time that you've ever

possibly had these types of chemical exposures?

Armour Thyroid not working?

> Hi everyone,

>

> Does anyone here have personal experience with Armour

> thyroid NOT working for them? I've been on it since

> January 2006, worked my way up to 120mg (with my doc)

> and it hasn't helped AT ALL. In fact, I continue to

> gain weight and have no energy, etc.

>

> I'm weaning off the Armour (with my doc) so I can try

> another thyroid med(s). As I'm weaning off, I feel no

> difference either - it's like it literally does

> nothing for me. I'm frustrated because with everything

> I've heard and read, Armour thyroid is the best

> because it's natural. Does anyone have any personal

> experience or advice?

>

> Thanks, as always!!

>

> M.

[Guest guest]

You may have a lot of variables here, so I want to be very carefule what I

say, so I'll ask a few questions here. Have you ever had chemical exposure,

as in insecticides, worked in a chemical plant, that sort of thing? That's

just a skeleton question for something called Multiple Chemical Sensitivity

Disorder, and some people, from the time that they have originally become

" poisoned " , more or less, find that their cellular receptors for many

things, including thyroid hormones, do not work properly. Those are the

people who have to have massive amts of thyroid meds, particularly T3, in

order to " flood " their little cell receptors to get them working again, so

to speak. I'm not telling you to do this, as that will be between you and

whatever doctor that specializes in this, but I'm just throwing it out there

as a very huge possibility. Do you know of any time that you've ever

possibly had these types of chemical exposures?

Armour Thyroid not working?

> Hi everyone,

>

> Does anyone here have personal experience with Armour

> thyroid NOT working for them? I've been on it since

> January 2006, worked my way up to 120mg (with my doc)

> and it hasn't helped AT ALL. In fact, I continue to

> gain weight and have no energy, etc.

>

> I'm weaning off the Armour (with my doc) so I can try

> another thyroid med(s). As I'm weaning off, I feel no

> difference either - it's like it literally does

> nothing for me. I'm frustrated because with everything

> I've heard and read, Armour thyroid is the best

> because it's natural. Does anyone have any personal

> experience or advice?

>

> Thanks, as always!!

>

> M.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I was on levxoyl alone for about 3 years, and then added in some Cytomel in

April since the levo alone did nothing for me.

The added T3 did warm my hands and feet, help stablize my moods and

I felt more energetic.

But—so many people write about the good effects of Armour so

I switched to it three weeks ago--- and have been tweaking my dose –

I am at 2 grains, or 120 mg as well and feel NOTHING just as you describe—

I was sluggish on the 90 mg so I went up to the 120 but still not getting my

metabolism jumpstarted. Not gaining weight still but not losing either, even

with reduced calories and increased exercise... I think it’s more than hypo —

but I found neither the synthetic nor the Armour so far had affected my two main symptoms:

hair easily falling out and weight gain.

Sue

Hi everyone,

Does anyone here have personal experience with Armour

thyroid NOT working for them? I've been on it since

January 2006, worked my way up to 120mg (with my doc)

and it hasn't helped AT ALL. In fact, I continue to

gain weight and have no energy, etc.

I'm weaning off the Armour (with my doc) so I can try

another thyroid med(s). As I'm weaning off, I feel no

difference either - it's like it literally does

nothing for me. I'm frustrated because with everything

I've heard and read, Armour thyroid is the best

because it's natural. Does anyone have any personal

experience or advice?

Thanks, as always!!

M.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I was on levxoyl alone for about 3 years, and then added in some Cytomel in

April since the levo alone did nothing for me.

The added T3 did warm my hands and feet, help stablize my moods and

I felt more energetic.

But—so many people write about the good effects of Armour so

I switched to it three weeks ago--- and have been tweaking my dose –

I am at 2 grains, or 120 mg as well and feel NOTHING just as you describe—

I was sluggish on the 90 mg so I went up to the 120 but still not getting my

metabolism jumpstarted. Not gaining weight still but not losing either, even

with reduced calories and increased exercise... I think it’s more than hypo —

but I found neither the synthetic nor the Armour so far had affected my two main symptoms:

hair easily falling out and weight gain.

Sue

Hi everyone,

Does anyone here have personal experience with Armour

thyroid NOT working for them? I've been on it since

January 2006, worked my way up to 120mg (with my doc)

and it hasn't helped AT ALL. In fact, I continue to

gain weight and have no energy, etc.

I'm weaning off the Armour (with my doc) so I can try

another thyroid med(s). As I'm weaning off, I feel no

difference either - it's like it literally does

nothing for me. I'm frustrated because with everything

I've heard and read, Armour thyroid is the best

because it's natural. Does anyone have any personal

experience or advice?

Thanks, as always!!

M.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I was on levxoyl alone for about 3 years, and then added in some Cytomel in

April since the levo alone did nothing for me.

The added T3 did warm my hands and feet, help stablize my moods and

I felt more energetic.

But—so many people write about the good effects of Armour so

I switched to it three weeks ago--- and have been tweaking my dose –

I am at 2 grains, or 120 mg as well and feel NOTHING just as you describe—

I was sluggish on the 90 mg so I went up to the 120 but still not getting my

metabolism jumpstarted. Not gaining weight still but not losing either, even

with reduced calories and increased exercise... I think it’s more than hypo —

but I found neither the synthetic nor the Armour so far had affected my two main symptoms:

hair easily falling out and weight gain.

Sue

Hi everyone,

Does anyone here have personal experience with Armour

thyroid NOT working for them? I've been on it since

January 2006, worked my way up to 120mg (with my doc)

and it hasn't helped AT ALL. In fact, I continue to

gain weight and have no energy, etc.

I'm weaning off the Armour (with my doc) so I can try

another thyroid med(s). As I'm weaning off, I feel no

difference either - it's like it literally does

nothing for me. I'm frustrated because with everything

I've heard and read, Armour thyroid is the best

because it's natural. Does anyone have any personal

experience or advice?

Thanks, as always!!

M.

[Guest guest]

oh, keep in mind that initially when people switch from synthetics to armour they may notice more symptoms as their bodies 'wake up' and have more things going on. this is/can be a normal part of the process. armour/natural meds take a while to get going, but usually when they do the results are very very good. did you know sue that hair falling out and weight gain is a sign of too much testosterone?? might be worth checking out. the 'sexual' hormones often hold clues when nothing else will (estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, steriod, adrenal, etc.) good luck!

andrea

Re: Armour Thyroid not working?

Hi ,I was on levxoyl alone for about 3 years, and then added in some Cytomel in April since the levo alone did nothing for me.The added T3 did warm my hands and feet, help stablize my moods and I felt more energetic.But—so many people write about the good effects of Armour so I switched to it three weeks ago--- and have been tweaking my dose – I am at 2 grains, or 120 mg as well and feel NOTHING just as you describe— I was sluggish on the 90 mg so I went up to the 120 but still not getting my metabolism jumpstarted. Not gaining weight still but not losing either, even with reduced calories and increased exercise... I think it’s more than hypo — but I found neither the synthetic nor the Armour so far had affected my two main symptoms: hair easily falling out and weight gain.SueOn 11/4/06 9:20 AM, " J. McCormick" <mccormicklj (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Hi everyone,Does anyone here have personal experience with Armourthyroid NOT working for them? I've been on it sinceJanuary 2006, worked my way up to 120mg (with my doc)and it hasn't helped AT ALL. In fact, I continue togain weight and have no energy, etc.I'm weaning off the Armour (with my doc) so I can tryanother thyroid med(s). As I'm weaning off, I feel nodifference either - it's like it literally doesnothing for me. I'm frustrated because with everythingI've heard and read, Armour thyroid is the bestbecause it's natural. Does anyone have any personalexperience or advice?Thanks, as always!! M.

[Guest guest]

oh, keep in mind that initially when people switch from synthetics to armour they may notice more symptoms as their bodies 'wake up' and have more things going on. this is/can be a normal part of the process. armour/natural meds take a while to get going, but usually when they do the results are very very good. did you know sue that hair falling out and weight gain is a sign of too much testosterone?? might be worth checking out. the 'sexual' hormones often hold clues when nothing else will (estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, steriod, adrenal, etc.) good luck!

andrea

Re: Armour Thyroid not working?

Hi ,I was on levxoyl alone for about 3 years, and then added in some Cytomel in April since the levo alone did nothing for me.The added T3 did warm my hands and feet, help stablize my moods and I felt more energetic.But—so many people write about the good effects of Armour so I switched to it three weeks ago--- and have been tweaking my dose – I am at 2 grains, or 120 mg as well and feel NOTHING just as you describe— I was sluggish on the 90 mg so I went up to the 120 but still not getting my metabolism jumpstarted. Not gaining weight still but not losing either, even with reduced calories and increased exercise... I think it’s more than hypo — but I found neither the synthetic nor the Armour so far had affected my two main symptoms: hair easily falling out and weight gain.SueOn 11/4/06 9:20 AM, " J. McCormick" <mccormicklj (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Hi everyone,Does anyone here have personal experience with Armourthyroid NOT working for them? I've been on it sinceJanuary 2006, worked my way up to 120mg (with my doc)and it hasn't helped AT ALL. In fact, I continue togain weight and have no energy, etc.I'm weaning off the Armour (with my doc) so I can tryanother thyroid med(s). As I'm weaning off, I feel nodifference either - it's like it literally doesnothing for me. I'm frustrated because with everythingI've heard and read, Armour thyroid is the bestbecause it's natural. Does anyone have any personalexperience or advice?Thanks, as always!! M.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

My blood testosterone shows normal — I have asked for it at least twice this past year. I sent off saliva and it showed high, so I agree with you.

But then what?

Sue

oh, keep in mind that initially when people switch from synthetics to armour they may notice more symptoms as their bodies 'wake up' and have more things going on. this is/can be a normal part of the process. armour/natural meds take a while to get going, but usually when they do the results are very very good. did you know sue that hair falling out and weight gain is a sign of too much testosterone?? might be worth checking out. the 'sexual' hormones often hold clues when nothing else will (estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, steriod, adrenal, etc.) good luck!

andrea

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

My blood testosterone shows normal — I have asked for it at least twice this past year. I sent off saliva and it showed high, so I agree with you.

But then what?

Sue

oh, keep in mind that initially when people switch from synthetics to armour they may notice more symptoms as their bodies 'wake up' and have more things going on. this is/can be a normal part of the process. armour/natural meds take a while to get going, but usually when they do the results are very very good. did you know sue that hair falling out and weight gain is a sign of too much testosterone?? might be worth checking out. the 'sexual' hormones often hold clues when nothing else will (estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, steriod, adrenal, etc.) good luck!

andrea

----- Original Message -----

To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 12:46 PM

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

My blood testosterone shows normal — I have asked for it at least twice this past year. I sent off saliva and it showed high, so I agree with you.

But then what?

Sue

oh, keep in mind that initially when people switch from synthetics to armour they may notice more symptoms as their bodies 'wake up' and have more things going on. this is/can be a normal part of the process. armour/natural meds take a while to get going, but usually when they do the results are very very good. did you know sue that hair falling out and weight gain is a sign of too much testosterone?? might be worth checking out. the 'sexual' hormones often hold clues when nothing else will (estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, steriod, adrenal, etc.) good luck!

andrea

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To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 12:46 PM

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

Thanks for your response. So maybe Armour won't work

for everyone. Maybe it will work for you...

But for me, I should feel a difference by now...it's

been 11 months. Has anyone else had a similar

experience?

M.

--- JustYourTypeDTP

wrote:

> Hi ,

> I was on levxoyl alone for about 3 years, and then

> added in some Cytomel in

> April since the levo alone did nothing for me.

> The added T3 did warm my hands and feet, help

> stablize my moods and

> I felt more energetic.

> But‹so many people write about the good effects of

> Armour so

> I switched to it three weeks ago--- and have been

> tweaking my dose ­

> I am at 2 grains, or 120 mg as well and feel NOTHING

> just as you describe‹

> I was sluggish on the 90 mg so I went up to the 120

> but still not getting my

> metabolism jumpstarted. Not gaining weight still but

> not losing either, even

> with reduced calories and increased exercise... I

> think it¹s more than hypo

> ‹

> but I found neither the synthetic nor the Armour so

> far had affected my two

> main symptoms:

> hair easily falling out and weight gain.

> Sue

>

>

> On 11/4/06 9:20 AM, " J. McCormick "

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > Does anyone here have personal experience with

> Armour

> > thyroid NOT working for them? I've been on it

> since

> > January 2006, worked my way up to 120mg (with my

> doc)

> > and it hasn't helped AT ALL. In fact, I continue

> to

> > gain weight and have no energy, etc.

> >

> > I'm weaning off the Armour (with my doc) so I can

> try

> > another thyroid med(s). As I'm weaning off, I feel

> no

> > difference either - it's like it literally does

> > nothing for me. I'm frustrated because with

> everything

> > I've heard and read, Armour thyroid is the best

> > because it's natural. Does anyone have any

> personal

> > experience or advice?

> >

> > Thanks, as always!!

> >

> > M.

> >

>

>

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Hmmm, , I have never heard that. My testosterone is slightly elevated at 24 (10-20). Is there anything that I can do about that. How do you lower testosterone? .... Judy

did you know sue that hair falling out and weight gain is a sign of too much testosterone??

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Do you have some labs to post? If you missed your 'sweet spot' with the Armour and surpass the correct dosage, the fatigue and weight will come back. That's what happened to me and then I backed off and started to lose some weight again. Don't get me wrong, I never spontaneously lose weight no matter what my thyroid levels are, but if they're in tune, I can lose if I put forth enought effort. For me, it's heavy cardio, I guess to raise my body temp enough to burn it. If your labs are great and your thyroid is fine, then I would look to your diet and exercise program to alleviate fatigue. I've been on thyroid meds for 35 years and some were lean years and some were energetic years depending on the rest of my lifestyle. Just a thought... Judy

But for me, I should feel a difference by now...it's been 11 months. Has anyone else had a similar experience?

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Hi Judy,

I appreciate your thoughts...that's interesting about

the " sweet spot " thing with the Armour. I actually

don't have any labs to post, but I had bloodwork done

a couple weeks ago and my TSH was <.004...says I'm

hyper but I have all the opposite symptoms and no

hyper symptoms. My doc says I'm " thyroid resistant " .

Any thoughts on that?

If I missed my " sweet spot " I wonder if I'll find it

as I reduce the Amour? How do you find it? *sigh*

Thanks again!

--- Judy P wrote:

> Do you have some labs to post? If you missed your

> 'sweet spot' with the Armour and surpass the correct

> dosage, the fatigue and weight will come back.

> That's what happened to me and then I backed off and

> started to lose some weight again. Don't get me

> wrong, I never spontaneously lose weight no matter

> what my thyroid levels are, but if they're in tune,

> I can lose if I put forth enought effort. For me,

> it's heavy cardio, I guess to raise my body temp

> enough to burn it. If your labs are great and your

> thyroid is fine, then I would look to your diet and

> exercise program to alleviate fatigue. I've been on

> thyroid meds for 35 years and some were lean years

> and some were energetic years depending on the rest

> of my lifestyle. Just a thought... Judy

>

> ---------------------------------

>

> But for me, I should feel a difference by now...it's

> been 11 months. Has anyone else had a similar

> experience?

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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Then you educate yourself. Since no other patient will be just like you, you'll need to educate yourself on your unique medical problems. Factor in what you know with theories and what you don't know. See what genetics has given you and look at your labs. All of them if you can, from your entire medical history if you can find them. Look at your patterns and see what was corresponding in your life. Stressors (good and bad) and what life events were going on. This will let you know the difference between your levels in normal ranges and the other ranges. Remember, you are your own advocate.

The only thing that is standing in the way of being healthy is education. If you are uneducated, become educated. If your doctors are uneducated, show them medical journals, articles, treatment options, etc. Shout loud enough and someone will hear you. Talk loud enough and the doctors WILL hear you. If they don't hear you, then sometimes you'll need to take your own health into your own hands. I recommend working with a doctor on that one, although if you can't, you must be incredibly careful and go by the way your body feels and get labs every 6-8 weeks from a lab inbetween doses. Without raising your dose inbetween. Always remember, your body will need time to adjust to new meds, sometimes it may take days weeks or years...

I COMPLETELY recommend trying to find a good doctor. Not having a good one can mean the difference between good health and bad health. If you have a terrible doctor, switch. If you have a doctor with potential, call them every day, list your symptoms you still have after being medicated. Do what you need to do to show them you are serious about your health, when you are, they see it. My doc only started listening to me after that. When I started being able to tell him the medical terminology of my thyroid & talking to him about meds in depth, he started to realize that I knew a bit of what I was talking about.

For the longest time he wouldn't raise my meds, so I started taking a 3rd pill daily because I knew I needed one. I told him about it and he said do what you have to do (although I think he wasn't paying attention that day) so when I had my next meds done, he looked at them and I told him that was with my 3rd pill and he said 'you take it daily?' and so he started writing me a script for it. I would also not take my meds for a whole day before with my other doc so I knew it would show up on the blood results as me needing a new dosage. I DON'T RECOMMEND THAT. I did some foolish things that were dangerous in order to get healthy. I don't recommend that at all. I've learned from those bad mistakes. This is also why I'm hell bent on going to medical school. I'm not really going to make a difference with others (although that is reason #2) my main reason is that I know everything I can about thyroid, endocrine care and allergies because I need to be that disciplined in order to be healthy.

It is a very expensive lesson and I may never get into medical school, but I can dream and as long as I have half a shot of being healthy, or maybe being healthy enough... I'm willing to take it.

Good luck,

'what are our odds?'

'about a million to one'

'well... why didn't you say so?'

Re: Armour Thyroid not working?

Hi ,My blood testosterone shows normal — I have asked for it at least twice this past year. I sent off saliva and it showed high, so I agree with you.But then what?SueOn 11/4/06 1:30 PM, " Teague" <medstudent2be (AT) highstream (DOT) net> wrote:

oh, keep in mind that initially when people switch from synthetics to armour they may notice more symptoms as their bodies 'wake up' and have more things going on. this is/can be a normal part of the process. armour/natural meds take a while to get going, but usually when they do the results are very very good. did you know sue that hair falling out and weight gain is a sign of too much testosterone?? might be worth checking out. the 'sexual' hormones often hold clues when nothing else will (estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, steriod, adrenal, etc.) good luck!andrea

----- Original Message ----- From: JustYourTypeDTP <mailto:justyourtypedtp (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 12:46 PM

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I'm not sure about that... that is something I would talk to a doctor about (specifically an endocrinologist) because adjustments can be made. Here are some links you can look at. Would you by chance be in the menopausal or pre-menopausal climate of your life? Sometimes other hormones can get out of whack and make the testosterone levels become elevated/lowered based on the response. In a few studies I've found the adrenal glands can lead to the over production of testosterone levels. Sometimes high insulin levels can trigger that also. If your ovaries are in questionable shape, they can play a role as well. Which reminds me.. I have Polycystic Ovarian Disease so I wonder if that has been slightly skewing my body.. *sigh* it never stops LOL. Do you have violent mood swings? Do you have a deeper voice? Hot flashes? Do you have a difference in facial hair or other things of that nature? Usually in women, I'll assume it is an estrogen imbalance or progestrine imbalance that causes the testosterone upset... although I may not be correct on that. Steroid levels, dhea levels, all of the 'female' & 'male' hormones play roles...

http://www.raysahelian.com/testosterone.html

http://www.bodyandfitness.com/Information/Menhealth/testosterone.htm

http://www.aegis.com/pubs/catie/2000/CATE11108.html

http://www.dailytexanonline.com/media/storage/paper410/news/2005/02/04/University/Hormone.Levels.May.Change.Stress.Reactions-852483.shtml?norewrite200611041708 & sourcedomain=www.dailytexanonline.com

http://www.womenshealthchannel.com/WomensHealthWorld/testo.shtml

http://www.personalmd.com/news/a1997092302.shtml

http://ww3.komotv.com/global/story.asp?s=1230183

here is a good article on roles of testosterone and dhea in women's health

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Hi ,

I agree with you have spent many years educating myself and doing what it takes to get tested IN SPITE of what doctors say or recommend or scoff at, etc.

I think most all of us here are information junkies and share that trait — we really have to.

I don’t see much on high testosterone except in relation to ovarian cysts and things related to that... Which I don’t have... I keep reading and researching.

Cost is my only barrier at this time since the “unconventional medicine” is not covered by insurance and I have incurred a good deal expense with the saliva and hair test analysis and supplements, etc... I don’t let anything stop me though, determined is my middle name... and I never use any information I get as a deciding factor, but rather as the starting line...

Thanks,

Sue

Then you educate yourself. Since no other patient will be just like you, you'll need to educate yourself on your unique medical problems. Factor in what you know with theories and what you don't know. See what genetics has given you and look at your labs. All of them if you can, from your entire medical history if you can find them. Look at your patterns and see what was corresponding in your life. Stressors (good and bad) and what life events were going on. This will let you know the difference between your levels in normal ranges and the other ranges. Remember, you are your own advocate.

The only thing that is standing in the way of being healthy is education. If you are uneducated, become educated. If your doctors are uneducated, show them medical journals, articles, treatment options, etc. Shout loud enough and someone will hear you. Talk loud enough and the doctors WILL hear you. If they don't hear you, then sometimes you'll need to take your own health into your own hands. I recommend working with a doctor on that one, although if you can't, you must be incredibly careful and go by the way your body feels and get labs every 6-8 weeks from a lab inbetween doses. Without raising your dose inbetween. Always remember, your body will need time to adjust to new meds, sometimes it may take days weeks or years...

I COMPLETELY recommend trying to find a good doctor. Not having a good one can mean the difference between good health and bad health. If you have a terrible doctor, switch. If you have a doctor with potential, call them every day, list your symptoms you still have after being medicated. Do what you need to do to show them you are serious about your health, when you are, they see it. My doc only started listening to me after that. When I started being able to tell him the medical terminology of my thyroid & talking to him about meds in depth, he started to realize that I knew a bit of what I was talking about.

For the longest time he wouldn't raise my meds, so I started taking a 3rd pill daily because I knew I needed one. I told him about it and he said do what you have to do (although I think he wasn't paying attention that day) so when I had my next meds done, he looked at them and I told him that was with my 3rd pill and he said 'you take it daily?' and so he started writing me a script for it. I would also not take my meds for a whole day before with my other doc so I knew it would show up on the blood results as me needing a new dosage. I DON'T RECOMMEND THAT. I did some foolish things that were dangerous in order to get healthy. I don't recommend that at all. I've learned from those bad mistakes. This is also why I'm hell bent on going to medical school. I'm not really going to make a difference with others (although that is reason #2) my main reason is that I know everything I can about thyroid, endocrine care and allergies because I need to be that disciplined in order to be healthy.

It is a very expensive lesson and I may never get into medical school, but I can dream and as long as I have half a shot of being healthy, or maybe being healthy enough... I'm willing to take it.

Good luck,

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I had to back off and then start the Armour again more slowly. I also started a combination of Armour and Levo so that I could keep my numbers up without feeling edgy. I had felt amazing for the first few days and then fell back to greatly improved for about 3 weeks, but then I started to get really, really tired again, stopped losing weight, stopped wanting to do anything. I had gone from 100mcg Levo to 1 grain Armour, then 1.5 grains, then 2 grains, so at that point I went back to the 100mcg Levo and 1/4 grain Armour, then 100mcg + 1/2 grain, now 50mcg + 1 grain and I must say, I'm feeling pretty good. I'm still stiff and the weight is a whole other issue, but I don't want to just sit around any more and that works for me.

Armour suppresses the TSH. I don't know why or how, just that it seems to be the concensus among everyone but the doctors LOL. Once you're on medication, especially Armour, you can't rely solely on the TSH. You're only hyper if your Free T3 and/or Free T4 are above range (and of course if you had hyper symptoms). I had hyper and hypo symptoms all at the same time. See, if you're not getting enough hormone through supplementation, and your TSH is suppressed to the point that you're own thyroid (if you have one) is not producing anything, then you could very well be hypothyroid with a TSH of .004. When I switch from Levo to Armour, my TSH dropped tenfold from 1.18 to .118 and yet my T4 dropped and my T3 stayed about midrange, so that just shows what Armour can do to your TSH without budging anything else. I'll post my next labs in a month or so and see how I'm doing with the current combination. Because I'm between doctors, I'm trying to find my own best dose with the meds I have left so that I can just tell him/her that it's my current dose without having to elaborate on how it came about. You really need to get him to test the Free's (Free T3 / Free T4) to see if they're in line with the TSH and don't take your meds that morning (controversial, but doesn't hurt if it doesn't bother you). I used to always take mine, now I don't. If he won't do the free's then the totals are better than nothing, if only to show him that you're not hyper. There's a new book coming out called 'Tyranny of the TSH'. When it goes to paperback, I'm buying 1/2 dozen and sending it to all my old docs, Endos first!

I don't know much about resistance, but I do know that you need cortisol to get thyroid hormones into the cells, so maybe your cortisol is low. Also, you need selenium to convert to T3, but since I don't like to take a bunch of pills if I don't have to, I eat 2-3 raw brazil nuts each day. That will give me about 200mg of food source selenium. I ordered mine online from Amazon, but they come from Whole Foods Market, so if you have that, you could get some there... Judy

I appreciate your thoughts...that's interesting about the "sweet spot" thing with the Armour. I actually don't have any labs to post, but I had bloodwork donea couple weeks ago and my TSH was <.004...says I'm hyper but I have all the opposite symptoms and no hyper symptoms. My doc says I'm "thyroid resistant".Any thoughts on that?If I missed my "sweet spot" I wonder if I'll find it as I reduce the Amour? How do you find it? *sigh*

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[Guest guest]

That's why you need to know what the measurements are of your thyroid

hormones. That is not your thyroid hormone(s). We keep saying this because

it's true.

Re: Armour Thyroid not working?

> Hi Judy,

>

> I appreciate your thoughts...that's interesting about

> the " sweet spot " thing with the Armour. I actually

> don't have any labs to post, but I had bloodwork done

> a couple weeks ago and my TSH was <.004...says I'm

> hyper but I have all the opposite symptoms and no

> hyper symptoms. My doc says I'm " thyroid resistant " .

> Any thoughts on that?

>

> If I missed my " sweet spot " I wonder if I'll find it

> as I reduce the Amour? How do you find it? *sigh*

>

> Thanks again!

>

>

>

>

> --- Judy P wrote:

>

>> Do you have some labs to post?