Re: Signs of too much DMSA/ALA

May 1, 2004

I would use half the amount of DMSA and see how he is doing. You might also

consider to use more vitamin C.

Dagmar.

[ ] Signs of too much DMSA/ALA

As I understand Andy's protocol, I can give my son up to 1/2mg per lb

of body weight of ALA and DMSA, every 3 hours while chelating, as

tolerated. I have a question about how you know whether or not your

child is tolerating the dose they're getting. What typically happens

if they don't tolerate it? We are currently doing about 1/4mg per lb,

but I'm wondering if we're using too much.

Here's our situation: We've been seeing great progress with our 5yo

son, who has just completed his 4th round (we do long ones: 10 days

on, 11 days off). The last two rounds, we added in DMSA for the last

5 days of the round and saw more improvements than with just ALA

alone. However, after the end of these last two rounds, my son

becomes very hyper and generally unpleasant to be around. Not just

for a day or two when the round ends. It's more like for 5-6 days

after the round ends, then it clears up. I know it isn't yeast, and

least I think not, because he's having perfect poops. Could a

rebinding effect last this long? Do you think I should take the DMSA

back out? I hate to because it seems to help -- he's an angel in

the " on " part of the cycle, it's taking him off the ALA/DMSA that

turns him into a devil.

I'm trying to decide on dosing for the next round. Your thoughts?

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May 2, 2004

In a message dated 5/2/2004 12:53:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,

ixacta@... writes:

> after the end of these last two rounds, my son

> becomes very hyper and generally unpleasant to be around. Not just

> for a day or two when the round ends. It's more like for 5-6 days

> after the round ends, then it clears up. I know it isn't yeast, and

> least I think not, because he's having perfect poops

My son's poops are usually normal even when he has yeast. The only way I can

really tell is by trying GSE -- if he doesn't improve, I know it isn't yeast.

My other suggestion would be to shorten the round and see if that helped.

Nell

May 2, 2004

I would do shorter rounds. Ten days may be too long this early into

chelation. I have a teen and did not extend a round beyond 3 days

till somewhere around round 80 something.

Michele

---- Original Message -----

> From: ixacta

>

> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 5:52 AM

> Subject: [ ] Signs of too much DMSA/ALA

>

> As I understand Andy's protocol, I can give my son up to 1/2mg

per lb

> of body weight of ALA and DMSA, every 3 hours while chelating, as

> tolerated. I have a question about how you know whether or not

your

> child is tolerating the dose they're getting. What typically

happens

> if they don't tolerate it? We are currently doing about 1/4mg per

lb,

> but I'm wondering if we're using too much.

>

> Here's our situation: We've been seeing great progress with our

5yo

> son, who has just completed his 4th round (we do long ones: 10

days

> on, 11 days off). The last two rounds, we added in DMSA for the

last

> 5 days of the round and saw more improvements than with just ALA

> alone. However, after the end of these last two rounds, my son

> becomes very hyper and generally unpleasant to be around. Not

just

> for a day or two when the round ends. It's more like for 5-6 days

> after the round ends, then it clears up. I know it isn't yeast,

and

> least I think not, because he's having perfect poops. Could a

> rebinding effect last this long? Do you think I should take the

DMSA

> back out? I hate to because it seems to help -- he's an angel in

> the " on " part of the cycle, it's taking him off the ALA/DMSA that

> turns him into a devil.

>

> I'm trying to decide on dosing for the next round. Your thoughts?

>

> =======================================================

>

May 2, 2004

>>However, after the end of these last two rounds, my son

> becomes very hyper and generally unpleasant to be around. Not just

> for a day or two when the round ends. It's more like for 5-6 days

> after the round ends, then it clears up. I know it isn't yeast, and

> least I think not, because he's having perfect poops.

My son does not always have bm issues when he has yeast.

Try giving GSE or oil of oregano, see if that helps.

You can also increase the vitamin C and/or selenium.

>>he's an angel in

> the " on " part of the cycle, it's taking him off the ALA/DMSA that

> turns him into a devil.

This can mean [altho not always] that your child needs more sulfur in

his diet. Try giving more sulfur foods: eggs, dairy products, bakery

products containing whey, cabbage, bok choy, cauliflower, broccoli,

broccoflower, brussel sprouts, kale, turnips, rutabagas, asparagus,

onions, shallots, leeks, garlic, coffee.

Dana

May 2, 2004

How in the world do you get up twice (or even once) per night for ten days

straight??? :-) As for the behaviors afterwards, if it isn't yeast, you may

want to research licorice (if behavior is due to low cortisol) and/or NAC (if

child responds favorably to sulfury foods). Look to the archives for more info.

on both of these. I'm summarizing/simplifying what I've read in the past about

adding either of these on the off days. You'd need to research it further or

run it by your doctor. Good luck, KIM