Re: OMG !!!! Elaine - ' temperature test ?'s

[Guest guest]

Elaine! Maybe this is what is happening to me! My L-Carnatine is supposed to

be blocking the thyroid hormone absorption at the cell level... so even

though my blood still shows me hyper, if my body isn't using the hormones,

then that would explain why I feel hypo - right????

Also, you said that people who work nights don't secrete TSH like they

should... well, maybe this is part of the link between women, new moms in

particular, who get graves... as in post-partum when they aren't sleeping

much and are up many times in the night?! Think?

Pam B.

-- Re: Elaine - ' temperature test ?'s

Hi Terry,

Well, the thryoid hormone in your blood is there zipping around in the blood

circulation, but that doesn't necessarily mean its doing anything. Perhaps,

some cell receptors are blocked by antibodies. That would prevent this

thryoid hormone from latching on to the receptors and activating them.

Thyroid hormone causes the actions associated with thryoid hormone when it

activates receptors that are located all throughout your body. So in this

sense the blood level just tells you how much thyroid hormone is in the

blood.

A few things affect your body temperature, but thyroid hormone works to keep

your temperature normal despite these other factors. Sometimes it can't

because of infection or whatever, but in most cases, if you have adequate

thyroid hormone, it will keep your temperature in the normal range.

That's why I say that temperature is a direct measurement of thyroid hormone

You're really seeing the effects of all that hormone circulating through the

blood. Both Dr. Broda and Dr. Dennis have educated others

about

the Basal Temperature Test, and I think Jody said that 's site

has a list of doctors that use this protocol.

Fortunately, my doctor also does since my TSH is always <.01 and isn't at

all

helpful. He watches my FT4 and FT3 level and he had me do a temp chart when

I

first start going to him because of the low TSH. Since I work nights my

pituitary doesn't secrete TSH like it should. This is well known but not

many

doctors know it. This one does but he wanted a temp chart as back-up. Sounds

like your husband has good thyroid function but you may not, huh? Take care,

Elaine

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

Oh yes, when your circadian rhythm is disrupted, hormones don't follow their

normal ebbs and tides. Hormones generally are secreted in tiny little bursts

or pulsations and the peak for TSH is during the night when the person is at

rest. We who are up all night don't get this peak later when we're sleeping.

We just miss out. Our hormone levels really get messed up, and this is linked

to a number of health problems.

So yes, you could have great labs but if the hormones are just circulating

around and not reacting with the cells, you will be hypothyroid. Broda

was incredibly wise because he listened to his patients and knew that

labs could be misleading. A great book is Dr. Vliet's Screaming to

Be Heard. It's about hormones and she explains this very well. Take care,

Elaine

[Guest guest]

This all makes very good sense, but I can't help wondering what can be done?

If you've got lots of circulating hormone, but it's just not being used and

the labs come back normal or hyperT, but you feel hypo...what do you do

then? Would a little replacement thyroid hormone makes things worse or

better? I know Pam L. is taking a small dose of replacement hormone to

combat her low FT4 levels. But would this cause problems with a low TSH

also?

Confusing...

Re: OMG !!!! Elaine - ' temperature test ?'s

> Hi Pam,

> Oh yes, when your circadian rhythm is disrupted, hormones don't follow

their

> normal ebbs and tides. Hormones generally are secreted in tiny little

bursts

> or pulsations and the peak for TSH is during the night when the person is

at

> rest. We who are up all night don't get this peak later when we're

sleeping.

> We just miss out. Our hormone levels really get messed up, and this is

linked

> to a number of health problems.

> So yes, you could have great labs but if the hormones are just circulating

> around and not reacting with the cells, you will be hypothyroid. Broda

> was incredibly wise because he listened to his patients and knew

that

> labs could be misleading. A great book is Dr. Vliet's Screaming

to

> Be Heard. It's about hormones and she explains this very well. Take care,

> Elaine

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This all makes very good sense, but I can't help wondering what can be done?

If you've got lots of circulating hormone, but it's just not being used and

the labs come back normal or hyperT, but you feel hypo...what do you do

then? Would a little replacement thyroid hormone makes things worse or

better? I know Pam L. is taking a small dose of replacement hormone to

combat her low FT4 levels. But would this cause problems with a low TSH

also?

Confusing...

Re: OMG !!!! Elaine - ' temperature test ?'s

> Hi Pam,

> Oh yes, when your circadian rhythm is disrupted, hormones don't follow

their

> normal ebbs and tides. Hormones generally are secreted in tiny little

bursts

> or pulsations and the peak for TSH is during the night when the person is

at

> rest. We who are up all night don't get this peak later when we're

sleeping.

> We just miss out. Our hormone levels really get messed up, and this is

linked

> to a number of health problems.

> So yes, you could have great labs but if the hormones are just circulating

> around and not reacting with the cells, you will be hypothyroid. Broda

> was incredibly wise because he listened to his patients and knew

that

> labs could be misleading. A great book is Dr. Vliet's Screaming

to

> Be Heard. It's about hormones and she explains this very well. Take care,

> Elaine

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This all makes very good sense, but I can't help wondering what can be done?

If you've got lots of circulating hormone, but it's just not being used and

the labs come back normal or hyperT, but you feel hypo...what do you do

then? Would a little replacement thyroid hormone makes things worse or

better? I know Pam L. is taking a small dose of replacement hormone to

combat her low FT4 levels. But would this cause problems with a low TSH

also?

Confusing...

Re: OMG !!!! Elaine - ' temperature test ?'s

> Hi Pam,

> Oh yes, when your circadian rhythm is disrupted, hormones don't follow

their

> normal ebbs and tides. Hormones generally are secreted in tiny little

bursts

> or pulsations and the peak for TSH is during the night when the person is

at

> rest. We who are up all night don't get this peak later when we're

sleeping.

> We just miss out. Our hormone levels really get messed up, and this is

linked

> to a number of health problems.

> So yes, you could have great labs but if the hormones are just circulating

> around and not reacting with the cells, you will be hypothyroid. Broda

> was incredibly wise because he listened to his patients and knew

that

> labs could be misleading. A great book is Dr. Vliet's Screaming

to

> Be Heard. It's about hormones and she explains this very well. Take care,

> Elaine

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

See the message I just wrote to , which explains the negative feedback

with TSH. If your thyroid hormone levels are low, and TSH is also staying

low, it's because the pituitary thinks TSH isn't needed. This can be because

the pituitary is recognizing TSH receptor antibodies as if they were TSH

molecules and thinks you have plenty of TSH. Or it can be because the whole

pituitary hypothalamic thyroid axis is worn out. This is called central

hypothyroidism. It's tested by giving the patient TRH (recombinant

thyrotropin releasing hormone), which is the hormone the hypothalamus

secretes when it wants the pituitary to secrete TSH (also known as

thyrotropin). TSH is measured before and after giving TRH to see if the

pituitary is receiving this hormonal signal ok and if it's responding and

secreting TSH like it should.

But rather than trying to figure all this out, some doctors will treat

patients like this with thyroid hormone. That's what Dr. Vliet, Broda ,

Dennis and others recommend. Getting a good response, like a reduction

in symptoms, after adding thryoid hormone is proof itself that thyroid

hormone is needed regardless of what the blood tests are showing. It doesn't

harm you to have a low TSH; the harm is caused by the low or high thyroid

hormone levels. Take care, Elaine

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

See the message I just wrote to , which explains the negative feedback

with TSH. If your thyroid hormone levels are low, and TSH is also staying

low, it's because the pituitary thinks TSH isn't needed. This can be because

the pituitary is recognizing TSH receptor antibodies as if they were TSH

molecules and thinks you have plenty of TSH. Or it can be because the whole

pituitary hypothalamic thyroid axis is worn out. This is called central

hypothyroidism. It's tested by giving the patient TRH (recombinant

thyrotropin releasing hormone), which is the hormone the hypothalamus

secretes when it wants the pituitary to secrete TSH (also known as

thyrotropin). TSH is measured before and after giving TRH to see if the

pituitary is receiving this hormonal signal ok and if it's responding and

secreting TSH like it should.

But rather than trying to figure all this out, some doctors will treat

patients like this with thyroid hormone. That's what Dr. Vliet, Broda ,

Dennis and others recommend. Getting a good response, like a reduction

in symptoms, after adding thryoid hormone is proof itself that thyroid

hormone is needed regardless of what the blood tests are showing. It doesn't

harm you to have a low TSH; the harm is caused by the low or high thyroid

hormone levels. Take care, Elaine

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

See the message I just wrote to , which explains the negative feedback

with TSH. If your thyroid hormone levels are low, and TSH is also staying

low, it's because the pituitary thinks TSH isn't needed. This can be because

the pituitary is recognizing TSH receptor antibodies as if they were TSH

molecules and thinks you have plenty of TSH. Or it can be because the whole

pituitary hypothalamic thyroid axis is worn out. This is called central

hypothyroidism. It's tested by giving the patient TRH (recombinant

thyrotropin releasing hormone), which is the hormone the hypothalamus

secretes when it wants the pituitary to secrete TSH (also known as

thyrotropin). TSH is measured before and after giving TRH to see if the

pituitary is receiving this hormonal signal ok and if it's responding and

secreting TSH like it should.

But rather than trying to figure all this out, some doctors will treat

patients like this with thyroid hormone. That's what Dr. Vliet, Broda ,

Dennis and others recommend. Getting a good response, like a reduction

in symptoms, after adding thryoid hormone is proof itself that thyroid

hormone is needed regardless of what the blood tests are showing. It doesn't

harm you to have a low TSH; the harm is caused by the low or high thyroid

hormone levels. Take care, Elaine