Re: Now I'm Confused

August 30, 2009

That's a loaded question!!! And it makes no difference if your from

Texas or not it still confuses us born and bread here too lol!! My

best advice would be to DUCK because the posts could start a flyin!!!

-Chris

Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone!

> Someone was trying to explain to me today that if you're a paramedic

> in

> Texas with out a college degree then your referred to as an EMT-P.

> But with

> an associates degree which has to have an EMS focus then your now an

> LP and

> if you have a bachelors degree in Biology no matter what its focus

> your

> still an LP.

>

> Is this accurate and if so guess my next question as someone who is

> not from

> there, why? All it seems like to me is a further splintering of our

> profession, when you leave the state in any direction all of a

> sudden you

> are no longer an LP any longer.

>

> RN is an RN is an RN same with MD no matter where you are but for

> some crazy

> reason EMS has over 75 levels of certifications and names they are

> called

> across the country.

>

> Thanks Jim<

>

August 30, 2009

To better answer your question though the difference is an LP gets a

pretty gold trim on his patch and has a degree!

-Chris

Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone!

> Someone was trying to explain to me today that if you're a paramedic

> in

> Texas with out a college degree then your referred to as an EMT-P.

> But with

> an associates degree which has to have an EMS focus then your now an

> LP and

> if you have a bachelors degree in Biology no matter what its focus

> your

> still an LP.

>

> Is this accurate and if so guess my next question as someone who is

> not from

> there, why? All it seems like to me is a further splintering of our

> profession, when you leave the state in any direction all of a

> sudden you

> are no longer an LP any longer.

>

> RN is an RN is an RN same with MD no matter where you are but for

> some crazy

> reason EMS has over 75 levels of certifications and names they are

> called

> across the country.

>

> Thanks Jim<

>

August 30, 2009

Yep .......... guess that bout sums it up!

Now I'm Confused

Someone was trying to explain to me today that if you're a paramedic in

Texas with out a college degree then your referred to as an EMT-P. But with

an associates degree which has to have an EMS focus then your now an LP and

if you have a bachelors degree in Biology no matter what its focus your

still an LP.

Is this accurate and if so guess my next question as someone who is not from

there, why? All it seems like to me is a further splintering of our

profession, when you leave the state in any direction all of a sudden you

are no longer an LP any longer.

RN is an RN is an RN same with MD no matter where you are but for some crazy

reason EMS has over 75 levels of certifications and names they are called

across the country.

Thanks Jim<

August 30, 2009

Well, that's a new one on me. But, the answer is NO. The only way you are an

LP is if you want to apply for that title with DSHS. Yes, it is now required

that you have an AAS in EMS to get your LP or a degree higher in anything from a

BS in Biology to a PhD in Underwater Basket weaving. Just because you have a

college degree does not automatically make you an LP.

When all of this started many yrs ago, those that just had a certain number of

college hrs was " grandfathered " in and could apply for their LP and they did not

have to have a degree, just the " core " college classes.

I think that this person needs to get their facts straight. There are many

that have a college degree that are not LP, such as myself, because there is

really no difference between the two, because both can still provide the same

level of care, plus having the LP instead of EMTP behind your name really does

not mean anything.

Wayne

Subject: Now I'm Confused

To: texasems-l

Cc: nemsma (AT) google

Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 3:49 PM

Someone was trying to explain to me today that if you're a paramedic in

Texas with out a college degree then your referred to as an EMT-P. But with

an associates degree which has to have an EMS focus then your now an LP and

if you have a bachelors degree in Biology no matter what its focus your

still an LP.

Is this accurate and if so guess my next question as someone who is not from

there, why? All it seems like to me is a further splintering of our

profession, when you leave the state in any direction all of a sudden you

are no longer an LP any longer.

RN is an RN is an RN same with MD no matter where you are but for some crazy

reason EMS has over 75 levels of certifications and names they are called

across the country.

Thanks Jim<

August 31, 2009

In a message dated 8/31/2009 8:19:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

Any incentive for people to strive for a goal and improve themselves is a

good thing.

Nope, a term license implies that the LP has some level of autonomy in

Texas and that is simply not the case. If an LP works in a system where the

medical director uses cookbook protocols than that's what he has if a non LP

EMT-P works in the most progressive system with a right to do things that

most Medics don't then he has that.

Pretty patches and a name is not steps forward.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

August 31, 2009

In a message dated 8/31/2009 8:19:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

Any incentive for people to strive for a goal and improve themselves is a

good thing.

Nope, a term license implies that the LP has some level of autonomy in

Texas and that is simply not the case. If an LP works in a system where the

medical director uses cookbook protocols than that's what he has if a non LP

EMT-P works in the most progressive system with a right to do things that

most Medics don't then he has that.

Pretty patches and a name is not steps forward.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

August 31, 2009

In a message dated 8/31/2009 9:52:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

Grayson902@... writes:

whole " licensure vs certification " issue, and 99.9% of the time, the

difference is pure semantics.

I think the legal beagles would tend to argue it is not a matter of

semantics. Firstly each state can define those terms in law differently so it

could very well be semantics or not depending on semantics.

Take the case of the Firefighter/EMT in Delaware killed in the Line of Duty

as an EMT while on a FD Ambulance. She was a trained Firefighter (I do not

know if she carried certifications) she was a certified EMT and was killed

working on a scene with her FD based EMS Unit. Under Delaware law a person

who causes the death of a Firefighter can be charged with Murder and the

alleged scum bag has been BUT his lawyers are arguing she was not a

Firefighter since she never fought fires and the like (I do not have all the

details I am paraphrasing media reports). Hence the judge has decided that

that's

an issue to be argued in the courts and through the process. It will

likely come down to how the laws in Delaware are written and how things are or

are not defined.

Semantics? Maybe maybe not.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

August 31, 2009

I have told my Son who is thinking about an EMS career get you EMS Degree

for the value of the degree not the LP.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 8/31/2009 9:55:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

hbarber@... writes:

However, the original concept was to improve core education in EMS. Yes it

got watered down by all the folks that did not want to pursue higher

education. Some of us even went so far as to require LP for advancement within

our department along with it a 1500.00 a year stipend in addition to your

paramedic pay or the advancement pay you were awarded. It has been pretty easy

to say a LP and EMT-P are the same thing. That's because EMS did not want

to improve and move forward. It is easy to talk about the basket weaving

degrees but that was only going to be a seed placement until we started

offering the degrees in EMS. Either way more education means a more rounded

person. It doesn't always mean you are going to make more money. As our school

teachers. Most paramedics and many EMT's make more than a school teacher

per year.

LP could have worked but we shot ourselves in the foot again.

Even my old dumb ass went out and got a Associate degree in EMS as soon as

we started talking about it. I received no additional pay either. However

I certainly feel proud that I was able to accomplish it. All of the

officers in my department did also and I am proud of them for doing so.

Henry

Now I'm Confused

To: _texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem_ (mailto:texasems-l )

Cc: _nemsma@googlegroupsnems_ (mailto:nemsma (AT) google)

Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 3:49 PM

Someone was trying to explain to me today that if you're a paramedic in

Texas with out a college degree then your referred to as an EMT-P. But with

an associates degree which has to have an EMS focus then your now an LP and

if you have a bachelors degree in Biology no matter what its focus your

still an LP.

Is this accurate and if so guess my next question as someone who is not

from

there, why? All it seems like to me is a further splintering of our

profession, when you leave the state in any direction all of a sudden you

are no longer an LP any longer.

RN is an RN is an RN same with MD no matter where you are but for some

crazy

reason EMS has over 75 levels of certifications and names they are called

across the country.

Thanks Jim<

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August 31, 2009

Small steps, folks. We have to start this journey somewhere, and this is as

good a way to ease into it as any. You can catch more flies with honey than

vinegar. Any incentive for people to strive for a goal and improve themselves

is a good thing. The whining from the undereducated and undermotivated does

nothing but poison the well of our future. Get on board or go back to Mc

s.

Rob

August 31, 2009

However, the original concept was to improve core education in EMS. Yes it got

watered down by all the folks that did not want to pursue higher education. Some

of us even went so far as to require LP for advancement within our department

along with it a 1500.00 a year stipend in addition to your paramedic pay or the

advancement pay you were awarded. It has been pretty easy to say a LP and EMT-P

are the same thing. That's because EMS did not want to improve and move forward.

It is easy to talk about the basket weaving degrees but that was only going to

be a seed placement until we started offering the degrees in EMS. Either way

more education means a more rounded person. It doesn't always mean you are going

to make more money. As our school teachers. Most paramedics and many EMT's make

more than a school teacher per year.

LP could have worked but we shot ourselves in the foot again.

Even my old dumb ass went out and got a Associate degree in EMS as soon as we

started talking about it. I received no additional pay either. However I

certainly feel proud that I was able to accomplish it. All of the officers in my

department did also and I am proud of them for doing so.

Henry

Now I'm Confused

To: texasems-l

Cc: nemsma (AT) google

Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 3:49 PM

Someone was trying to explain to me today that if you're a paramedic in

Texas with out a college degree then your referred to as an EMT-P. But with

an associates degree which has to have an EMS focus then your now an LP and

if you have a bachelors degree in Biology no matter what its focus your

still an LP.

Is this accurate and if so guess my next question as someone who is not from

there, why? All it seems like to me is a further splintering of our

profession, when you leave the state in any direction all of a sudden you

are no longer an LP any longer.

RN is an RN is an RN same with MD no matter where you are but for some crazy

reason EMS has over 75 levels of certifications and names they are called

across the country.

Thanks Jim<

August 31, 2009

That problem is not limited to Texas. EMTs everywhere hotly debate the

whole " licensure vs certification " issue, and 99.9% of the time, the

difference is pure semantics.

ToMAYto, toMAHto...

lnmolino@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 8/31/2009 8:19:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> rob.davis@...

> writes:

>

> Any incentive for people to strive for a goal and improve themselves is a

> good thing.

>

> Nope, a term license implies that the LP has some level of autonomy in

> Texas and that is simply not the case. If an LP works in a system

> where the

> medical director uses cookbook protocols than that's what he has if a

> non LP

> EMT-P works in the most progressive system with a right to do things that

> most Medics don't then he has that.

>

> Pretty patches and a name is not steps forward.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

August 31, 2009

Dear God, we have someone else advocating for education in EMS!? I'm going to

count to ten and then I'm guessing that we'll have someone tell us how education

and critical thinking aren't important.

Henry for President!!!??

-Wes Ogilvie, lots of degrees and initials