Re: DMSA -- does it chelate iron too?

[Guest guest]

hello,

Chelation is removal of all heavy metals and some minerals, I'm just

an engineer not a medical practitioner. Yes it pulls iron (talk to

your Dr. Chelate) certain metals might prevent the adsorption of

iron or other needed minerals. And because DMSA is chelating the

good iron, it's not doing what you want it to do.

It's a tricky balance your body has. When you chelate, don't take

the metals and minerals the chelator is know to remove. Then on non-

chelating days; take supplements appropriately. This was

recommended by DAN Dr in Florida. Each case is unique. My son is

only 6yo.

Autis' mom

> Hi all,

>

> I've been taking massive doses of iron the last few months (300mg

> a day) after years of needing it without knowing it, and was doing

> great, then tapered off, was doing great, started on DMSA again

>and am getting my low-iron symptoms again. (I have the genetic

> esophogeal rings in the presence of low-iron -- it causes painful

> swallowing, food/supplements getting stuck in my throat.) Stools

> are loose and light in color.

>

> Does anyone know how much of an effect DMSA has on iron levels? I

> can't believvvve I need more but I guess during chelation I might.

> Is there a limit to the rate at which a body can pull iron out of

> storage. In times like this could it need it faster than it can

> pull it out.

>

> I know...I need to get a ferratin test.

>

> Anyone else have iron problems when they chelate?

>

> Thanks so much,

> Jen

[Guest guest]

Jen,

I would look at redcuing your DMSA dosage and adding in ALA, which

means switching to a 3-hour dose frequency. The ALA will reduce DMSA

side-effects and will pull out mercury without taking out iron, zinc

etc. High copper is the thing to look out for with ALA, but you can

reduce the risk of this by loading with zinc and molybdenum between

rounds.

If you are already using ALA, think about increasing ALA by 50% and

dropping DMSA by 50%.

Good luck

Steve

[Guest guest]

> Chelation is removal of all heavy metals and some minerals,

This is not correct.

> I'm just

> an engineer not a medical practitioner. Yes it pulls iron

This is also not correct.

> (talk to

> your Dr. Chelate) certain metals might prevent the adsorption of

> iron or other needed minerals. And because DMSA is chelating the

> good iron,

This is not correct.

> it's not doing what you want it to do.

> It's a tricky balance your body has. When you chelate, don't take

> the metals and minerals the chelator is know to remove.

Always take exactly the same supplements every day regardless of

whether you are chelating or not. If you are having trouble with a

particular mineral, take even more of it on chelation days.

> Then on non-

> chelating days; take supplements appropriately. This was

> recommended by DAN Dr in Florida.

I guess he has to learn some chemistry so he can help people better

then.

> Each case is unique.

Yes, but due to the simple fact of being human, and being composed of

elements on the periodic table, many things are alwyas the same and

can't possibly vary from person to person.

> My son is

> only 6yo.

> Autis' mom

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve,

Do you know how long after using ala/dmsa that the copper can remain high

and the zinc low?I was not aware that ala/dmsa combo doesn't yank out the

zinc......what reference are you referring to?

Thanks, R

[Guest guest]

> Hi Steve,

> Do you know how long after using ala/dmsa that the copper can

remain high

> and the zinc low?I was not aware that ala/dmsa combo doesn't yank

out the

> zinc......what reference are you referring to?

> Thanks, R

-- I didn't say an ALA/zinc combo would not pull out zinc. I said ALA

doesn't pull out zinc, and suggested lowering DMSA dosages and

increasing ALA.

I don't know how long zinc can remain low and copper high. It is not

a problem we have faced, I was just reporting what Andy had said. But

most people can get good results by loading zinc and molybdenum to

keep down copper

Steve

[Guest guest]

Thanks Steve,

I did 3 months of this last fall and used mainly ALA with DMSA added

in later and felt like the DMSA was harsher. The ALA did mess with

my copper levels (I can't take copper in supplement form without

getting stomach pain so I think I'm high " ish " ) and I decided to try

just DMSA this time. Didn't last long without the iron levels

bottoming out. To answer someone else's question I felt like my

copper levels were higher for a few weeks to a few months, can't

really remember. I just avoided high copper foods for awhile.

Molybdenum and zinc loading. Ok, will do.

I've actually been doing the DMSA on the every 3 hr schedule. Not

right?

Thanks much...

Jen

> Jen,

>

> I would look at redcuing your DMSA dosage and adding in ALA, which

> means switching to a 3-hour dose frequency. The ALA will reduce

DMSA

> side-effects and will pull out mercury without taking out iron,

zinc

> etc. High copper is the thing to look out for with ALA, but you can

> reduce the risk of this by loading with zinc and molybdenum between

> rounds.

>

> If you are already using ALA, think about increasing ALA by 50% and

> dropping DMSA by 50%.

>

> Good luck

>

> Steve

[Guest guest]

Also... " loading molybdenum " -- have any recommendation as to dose?

Thanks!

Jen

> > Hi Steve,

> > Do you know how long after using ala/dmsa that the copper can

> remain high

> > and the zinc low?I was not aware that ala/dmsa combo doesn't yank

> out the

> > zinc......what reference are you referring to?

> > Thanks, R

>

> -- I didn't say an ALA/zinc combo would not pull out zinc. I said

ALA

> doesn't pull out zinc, and suggested lowering DMSA dosages and

> increasing ALA.

>

> I don't know how long zinc can remain low and copper high. It is

not

> a problem we have faced, I was just reporting what Andy had said.

But

> most people can get good results by loading zinc and molybdenum to

> keep down copper

>

> Steve

[Guest guest]

> I've actually been doing the DMSA on the every 3 hr schedule. Not

> right?

Four hours is the minimum with DMSA. Every 3 hours is okay and

perhaps slightly safer. But you could afford to go every 4 hours and

get more sleep when doing DMSA only.

for loading zinc, I find zinc monomethionine (OptiZinc) is very

absorbable)

Steve