Re: MD says inserts may not show hidden thimerosal

[Guest guest]

The way to approach this is to ask WHAT!!! preservative or sterilator is

used. They have to give you some product name as they know themselves that a

vaccine which has come in multi-dose packaging has to have this otherwise

the contaminants can proliferate.

They are getting sneaky now in that they say:

1.traces of thimerosal which is still too much

2.no thimerosal but then they sneak in 2-phenoxyethanol

Always ask what is in the product to keep it " clean " . They will have to

answer you either way.

in Germany

(who was once told by the German vaccine board that they they used the

Thimerosal instead of mercury because they didn't want to scare the parents.

[ ] MD says inserts may not show hidden thimerosal

> To all,

>

> I meant to post this a couple of days ago. I brought both my

> children (ages 5 and 8) to the pediatrician (who is at the major

> hospital's pediatric practice) on Thursday for their annual

> physicals. My daughter (5) was due for her final MMR and a Varivax

> (chicken pox vaccine which NY requires for children entering K and

> born 1998 or after). I asked the RN to give me the package inserts

> for both vaccines. The pediatrician, who is not my son's DAN MD,

> came in and asked what I was looking for on the inserts. I told

> her, " Thimerosal. " She looked with me; the ingredients did not list

> it. However, she said that, if a manufacturer buys ready-made

> components for the vaccines and one of those has thimerosal (sp?)the

> ingredients will not necessarily list it.

>

> I told her about the treatment we are doing with the other MD,

> including chelation. She was very interested, said she was very

> frustrated with mainstream medicine and how little it has to offer

> children on the autism spectrum. So she agreed to call Merck about

> the two vaccines to see if they contain hidden thimerosal. I wanted

> people to know about this because, apparently, checking the insert

> may not be enough. We may have to call the practice ahead of time,

> ask for the pharm co. and call them, or maybe look in a current PDR

> (if that's good enough), or ask the MD to call.

>

> Are we frustrated yet?

>

> Janet

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

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What is 2-phenoxyenthanol? Do you know where I can find the list

which names other names given to mercury in pharmaceuticals? Also,

to your best knowledge, what are other dangerous preservatives to

look out for? You sound like you know alot!

LKiz

> The way to approach this is to ask WHAT!!! preservative or

sterilator is

> used. They have to give you some product name as they know

themselves that a

> vaccine which has come in multi-dose packaging has to have this

otherwise

> the contaminants can proliferate.

>

> They are getting sneaky now in that they say:

>

> 1.traces of thimerosal which is still too much

> 2.no thimerosal but then they sneak in 2-phenoxyethanol

>

>

> Always ask what is in the product to keep it " clean " . They will

have to

> answer you either way.

>

> in Germany

> (who was once told by the German vaccine board that they they used

the

> Thimerosal instead of mercury because they didn't want to scare the

parents.

> [ ] MD says inserts may not show hidden

thimerosal

>

>

> > To all,

> >

> > I meant to post this a couple of days ago. I brought both my

> > children (ages 5 and 8) to the pediatrician (who is at the major

> > hospital's pediatric practice) on Thursday for their annual

> > physicals. My daughter (5) was due for her final MMR and a

Varivax

> > (chicken pox vaccine which NY requires for children entering K and

> > born 1998 or after). I asked the RN to give me the package

inserts

> > for both vaccines. The pediatrician, who is not my son's DAN MD,

> > came in and asked what I was looking for on the inserts. I told

> > her, " Thimerosal. " She looked with me; the ingredients did not

list

> > it. However, she said that, if a manufacturer buys ready-made

> > components for the vaccines and one of those has thimerosal (sp?)

the

> > ingredients will not necessarily list it.

> >

> > I told her about the treatment we are doing with the other MD,

> > including chelation. She was very interested, said she was very

> > frustrated with mainstream medicine and how little it has to offer

> > children on the autism spectrum. So she agreed to call Merck

about

> > the two vaccines to see if they contain hidden thimerosal. I

wanted

> > people to know about this because, apparently, checking the insert

> > may not be enough. We may have to call the practice ahead of

time,

> > ask for the pharm co. and call them, or maybe look in a current

PDR

> > (if that's good enough), or ask the MD to call.

> >

> > Are we frustrated yet?

> >

> > Janet

> >

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

The PubMed search for

2-phenoxyethanol

[note the different spelling]

generated 70 citations, eg,

1: Biochem Pharmacol. 2002 Feb 1;63(3):437-53.

In vitro induction of apoptosis vs. necrosis by widely used preservatives:

2-phenoxyethanol, a mixture of isothiazolinones, imidazolidinyl urea and

1,2-pentanediol.

Anselmi C, Ettorre A, ssi M, Centini M, Neri P, Di Stefano A.

Department of Pharmaceutical and Technological Science, University of Siena,

Italy.

Preservatives are added to many final products, such as detergents, cosmetics,

pharmaceuticals and vaccines. We conducted an in vitro investigation of the

apoptosis- and necrosis-inducing potential of brief applications (10 min) of

four common preservatives: ethylene glycol monophenyl ether, 2-phenoxyethanol

(EGPE), imidazolidinyl urea (IMU), a mixture of

5-chloro-2-methyl-4-isothiazolin-3-one and 2-methyl-4-isothiazolin-3-one

(CMI/MI), and 1,2-pentanediol, a " preservative-non-preservative " best known as

pentylene glycol. Using HL60 cells, we monitored the kinetics of cell toxicity

with the MTT test and analysed extranuclear end points of apoptosis, i.e.

phosphatidylserine exposure and nuclear fragmentation. Preservative treatment

resulted in a dose-dependent decrease of cell viability. The mode of cell death

was dose-dependent: necrosis occurred at high concentrations while apoptosis,

shown by DNA laddering, DNA sub-diploid peak and caspase-3 activation, occurred

at lower concentrations 0-24hr after exposure to a single dose: CMI/MI induced

apoptosis at low concentrations (0.001-0.01%) and necrosis at high

concentrations (0.5-0.1%); IMU and EGPE required higher concentrations to induce

apoptosis (IMU 0.01-0.1% and EGPE 0.01-0.5%) or necrosis (IMU 0.5-1% and EGPE

only at 1%). PG induced apoptosis only at 5%. Externalization of PS, a hallmark

of apoptosis, occurred early in HL60 treated with low concentrations of CMI/MI

and EGPE and was concomitant with the subdiploid peak in HL60 treated with PG.

However, it did not occur in HL60 treated with IMU. In conclusion, at

appropriate concentrations, each of the four preservatives modulates the

apoptotic machinery by a caspase-dependent mechanism. Thus, apoptosis could be a

good parameter to evaluate the cytoxicity of these chemical compounds.

lizfiordalisi wrote:

>-

>What is 2-phenoxyenthanol? Do you know where I can find the list

>which names other names given to mercury in pharmaceuticals? Also,

>to your best knowledge, what are other dangerous preservatives to

>look out for? You sound like you know alot!

>LKiz

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> -

> What is 2-phenoxyenthanol? Do you know where I can find the list

> which names other names given to mercury in pharmaceuticals?

I have this link on my site

http://www.fda.gov/cder/fdama/mercury300.htm

Dana