Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 Has anyone heard about a new movie entitled " The United States of Leland " . I haven't heard a thing until now, but according to the caption of an AP news photo it states: " The film is the story of a sensitive teenager, who is faced with difficult issues after he is arrested and sent to juvenile hall, for killing an autistic child out of sympathy. " I viewed a trailer located at: http://www.moovees.com/trailers/united-states-of-leland.html The trailer basically repeated " It's OK, we all make mistakes " over and over again. I figure this is just a subtle attempt to somehow condition society. I'd like to know who backed this picture. I've always been aware of the " Fonzi Factor " that Hollywood has over the minds of gullible viewers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 As the author of the petition against this movie (see: http://www.gopetition.com/info.php?petid=1390), which I started back in August of 2002, I was recently interviewed by the L.A. Times for an article about the upcoming release of the movie this weekend(they were also planning to interview Gosling (Leland) and Hoge (the director) for the piece) I basically told them about the inherent dangers of the potential for misunderstanding, discrimination, and violence against children and adults with autism as a result of the movie. How the featuring of up-and-coming actors/actresses (like Gosling, , Klein, Jena Malone) will have a younger crowd attending this movie...and in some instances a very IMPRESSIONABLE crowd......I also told them alittle about my and everything we have been through....treatments, etc...all the while dealing with discrimination, misunderstanding, and cruelty in the process....... I told them how I believe this is the standard " you can change your life for the better " clique movies at the expense of the autistic child. How I believe that Hoge picked autism intentionally because it is an disability that is on the rise but unless it affects someone you know or love personally, that is really isn't as well known as if it were a child with cancer, blindness, etc.....A disturbing line in the movie is when the autistic boys mother, after she learns of her son's murder, makes the comment that there was " nothing there " . The idea that any parent of any child with a developmental disability can ever think like that is reprehensible and is obviously an attempt by the director to gain sympathy for the killer (it is in my opinion attempting to justify the " mercy killing " )....I added alot more as I was talking and talking and talking for over a half hour to the reporter....LOL....Lets see how much, if any, of my comments appear in the L.A. Times...... take care, Ellen Sweeney Director, NJ Chapter of The Autism Autoimmunity Project http://www.autismautoimmunityproject.org " Know the Cause, Fund the Cure " Vaccine Liberation http://www.vaclib.org " Educate Before You Vaccinate " ps. When I was in the gym this morning, I saw a trailer on FOX about the movie......I thought it was pretty ironic that the production companies have self-proclaimed it the " Most controversial movie at Sundance last year " yet the director states he didn't want the movie to be controversial in his original letter to the petition message board...... > Go to the following website to view trailer and info on the movie:\ > > http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/u/unitedstatesofleland.php > (copy and paste it) > Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 I couldn't have said it better myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2004 Report Share Posted April 4, 2004 In a message dated 4/4/2004 7:00:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, autismjtm@... writes: Couldn't agree more. I will be at the movie theater on friday when the movie starts, with posters and flyers. I have already contacted the movie theater and two film critics from our newspaper. Jane so did you see the movie... I really would like to hear more about the movie from someone that has actually seen it. Please anyone that saw this movie, e-mail me privately. msdai54513!@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 In a message dated 4/4/2004 11:56:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, autismjtm@... writes: I haven't seen the film and I don't think I will. A lot of people say that we should at least see what we are protesting, but personally I don't think I can stomach it because I would sit there and put my son in the autistic child's place. I will not be hateful or disrespectful of anyone who saw the film and liked it - not everyone understands what the big deal is. However I reserve the right to inform them about autism and that autistic INDIVIDUALS are not objects that can be disposed off. *********I have not seen the film either, it is not playing here on Long Island, and I think just one location in the city, I would like to know more about the film before making judgments. From what others are saying the thought that someone killed an autistic child, to put him out of his misery, if that's what the movie's message, then we all should have a say in this. Just think if this was a gay person that was killed, think about the gay activists, or a black person, think about the civil liberties groups, they would be all over the producers, or even think about a down syndrome person, I think they would hear from that group as well. I know there is freedom of speech, but lets go forward in time, not backward. Wouldn't it be nice if there was a lesson learned from this movie. Now someone else said that they heard... not seeing the movie either.. that the person does kill the autistic boy, but they a therapist has him see how it affected the family, and how it was wrong to do what he did. If that is the case, then I don't think that it is so bad. Years ago,there were movies about various types of people and it seems that nowadays we don't see movies about " certain types " of people. I just get mad, because of all people our autistic kids/adults can't defend themselves, and we as the caregivers must be their advocates. So if anyone has seen the movie, please let your comments be heard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 The problem I see with the word retarded is that it's misunderstood. All the word means is that someone failed to score above a given point on an IQ test. However, society uses this term to describe anyone who seems " dumb " . I know several people who are technically retarded, yet no one would ever know because they are fully functional people. Someone with dyslexia might fail an IQ test yet be very bright and intelligent. An autistic person and a retarded person are two very *different* terms, although their issues might overlap. Because a person has autism does not mean they are retarded, any more than a retarded person means they have autism. In many cases, " developmentally delayed " is much more appropriate description of the person. My daughter is not retarded, but she is developmentally delayed. I'm not Vicki, but I don't see how not liking a word being used inappropriately is the same as being against free speech. One can also be against a movie's plot and against material gains from a plot without being against one's right to make a movie. The right to free speech goes as equally for a movie as it does for one's right to protest and solicit one's feelings to others. I would also suggest that one being against a given educational/mental capacity term does not mean one would support derrogatory terms that you mentioned. Terms and the way they are used are also *very* relative. For example, I am a devout Christian who found the Church Lady skits to be absolutely hilarious. However, my FIL was offended by the skit. The meaning, it seems to me, of any given issue is not the word itself, but the feeling and the heart behind the word. Debi > Two comments, 1) Why does the word " retarded " bother you? It's better than > " Developmentally Delayed " , which makes it sound like autism is just a little > thing, which at our house it is not. And 2) Last year in Orange County, > CA, a man with a terminal illness killed his adult son who had autism > because he knew what would become of the son when he was no longer there to > take care of him. This is a real issue that real people are dealing with. > People have varying degrees of resilience in fighting the fight for our > kids, not everyone has the personal strength to do it. Last year on the ME > List a woman wrote that she felt like setting herself on fire in the middle > of Boston because no one would listen to her and help her with the > difficulties she was having with her autistic child. > > All human beings deserve to be treated with respect and dignity, simply > because they are human beings. When a movie portrays a fat person in an > insulting manner do you protest? When SNL does a skit on the Church Lady, > do you think it's okay? When people use the word nigger or bitch or bastard > do you object? Or do you just object when it's your family that's being > portrayed in an unflattering light? Either there is freedom of speech or > there isn't. Either everyone gets respect or NO ONE DOES. United we stand, > which I think is probably the point of the movie. > > Valeri, mom to: > Jenna (2/98, ASD) > (2/99) > LeeLee (2/01) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 I totally agree with you. The reason for my protest is this: Apparently there is a scene in the movie where the mother of the slain autistic boy says " there was nothing there " , meaning that her son was just an empty shell. I am worried about people misunderstanding this and thinking that all autistic individuals have no feelings or emotions. The general public has shown time and time again that they jump to the wrong conclusions at the drop of a hat. I will be passing out general, credible information about autism. My son will also be with me so that people can see that autism is so much more than what is wrongfully being portrayed by that one little sentence in the movie. My understanding is that the killing of the autistic boy is not even the main theme of the movie, but rather it is used to set the scene for what Leland, his family and the community goes through at the consequences of his act. Which is another reason why I got upset about the movie. I guess they felt that autistic kids are " disposable " so they could use them rather than a typical child. Leland supposedly kills this boy out of sadness - they could have addressed so many other issues than autism if they wanted him to commit this crime out of sadness. Child abuse, neglect or plain old dysfunctional family life is something that typical children have to deal with on a regular basis and it most certainly causes me to feel soooo much sadness when I think of what these children have to go through. Another thing that really worries me is the effect the movie will have on parents of typical children. I am afraid that they will encourage bullying " Go pick on the autistic kid - he can't feel it anyway " . Trust me, there are people who would do it. I am still following the movie critics and the movie will open on friday at 1 single movie theater in our area. Jane Msdai54513@... wrote: In a message dated 4/4/2004 11:56:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, autismjtm@... writes: I haven't seen the film and I don't think I will. A lot of people say that we should at least see what we are protesting, but personally I don't think I can stomach it because I would sit there and put my son in the autistic child's place. I will not be hateful or disrespectful of anyone who saw the film and liked it - not everyone understands what the big deal is. However I reserve the right to inform them about autism and that autistic INDIVIDUALS are not objects that can be disposed off. *********I have not seen the film either, it is not playing here on Long Island, and I think just one location in the city, I would like to know more about the film before making judgments. From what others are saying the thought that someone killed an autistic child, to put him out of his misery, if that's what the movie's message, then we all should have a say in this. Just think if this was a gay person that was killed, think about the gay activists, or a black person, think about the civil liberties groups, they would be all over the producers, or even think about a down syndrome person, I think they would hear from that group as well. I know there is freedom of speech, but lets go forward in time, not backward. Wouldn't it be nice if there was a lesson learned from this movie. Now someone else said that they heard... not seeing the movie either.. that the person does kill the autistic boy, but they a therapist has him see how it affected the family, and how it was wrong to do what he did. If that is the case, then I don't think that it is so bad. Years ago,there were movies about various types of people and it seems that nowadays we don't see movies about " certain types " of people. I just get mad, because of all people our autistic kids/adults can't defend themselves, and we as the caregivers must be their advocates. So if anyone has seen the movie, please let your comments be heard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 Retarded - developmental delayed - odd. No matter what it is called, we still have to remember that it is the general public's view of autism we are dealing with. Before my son was diagnosed I had no clue what these terms meant or the hurt and pain associated with them. Unfortunately that is the attitude of most people and that is why we have to try and get some REAL awareness out there so that people will understand that autism does not leave a person in an empty shell. Here's a perfect example of how people act: I took my son to a Mc's playland one time. He was doing his usual spinning and talking to himself. A little girl kept hitting him and being mean to him. The mother took no action. I finally got up and told the girl: " Please don't hit him. That is not nice. " The mother got right in my face and told me not to discipline her kid. I tried to explain to her that is autistic and unable to defend himself. She looked straight at me and said " And I care because..? " My reply to her was that she was a very ignorant person and it was because of people like her that kids have no respect these days. The whole deal got way out of hand and I finally got so mad at her that I told her to step outside with me (lol). Today I have learned to control my anger a little better! My whole point is that movies like " The United States of Leland " can have such a negative effect on the people we are trying to educate about our children. By the way (and this is in no way meant to upset anybody). I am a little worried about this discussion turning into an arguement and I really don't want to end up in another " wake up " post situation. I will be more than happy to discuss the movie with anybody, but please e-mail me privately about it at autismjtm@... Jane Valeri Dugan <valeri@...> wrote: Two comments, 1) Why does the word " retarded " bother you? It's better than " Developmentally Delayed " , which makes it sound like autism is just a little thing, which at our house it is not. And 2) Last year in Orange County, CA, a man with a terminal illness killed his adult son who had autism because he knew what would become of the son when he was no longer there to take care of him. This is a real issue that real people are dealing with. People have varying degrees of resilience in fighting the fight for our kids, not everyone has the personal strength to do it. Last year on the ME List a woman wrote that she felt like setting herself on fire in the middle of Boston because no one would listen to her and help her with the difficulties she was having with her autistic child. All human beings deserve to be treated with respect and dignity, simply because they are human beings. When a movie portrays a fat person in an insulting manner do you protest? When SNL does a skit on the Church Lady, do you think it's okay? When people use the word nigger or bitch or bastard do you object? Or do you just object when it's your family that's being portrayed in an unflattering light? Either there is freedom of speech or there isn't. Either everyone gets respect or NO ONE DOES. United we stand, which I think is probably the point of the movie. Valeri, mom to: Jenna (2/98, ASD) (2/99) LeeLee (2/01) Re: [ ] " The United States of Leland " I couldn't have said it better Jane!!! I too am a bit curious to see what I am protesting also but could NOT stomach it either, I would put my son in his place also. I watched the trailor clips and was a bit disgusted when the one boy in Juevenille detention asks Leland, " So, you are the one that killed that retarded kid?? " Right there, I was sickened!!!!! Why do they always have to say RETARDED!!!! I absolutely HATE that word! Vicki 's Mommy HFA 7 years old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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