Re: Does anyone know of an herbal chelation?

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- I don't think you can assume that just because something is herbal

that it is always less toxic. Sometimes that's the case, but there are many VERY

toxic plants out there, as I'm sure you know (ricin comes from a bean plant,

etc) . Also, it's dangerous to use " hit or miss " herbal remedies (like

cilantro) for chelation, I'm told, because they can actually move metals around

and

dump more INTO the brain. This is a treatment where you have to be very careful

and do things exactly by the book, so as not to cause more harm.

>

> because I dont want to dose my child up on pharmacueticals. I feel

> that is what has brought me here.I did suffer from gout(after the

> birth of my children) and doctors gave me colchicine,allopurinol

> etc.etc.I found chanca piedra literally " stone breaker " that

> dissolves kidney stones and lowers uric acid levels and prevents gout

> at an herbal web page .. It lowers blood pressure and is a liver

> purifier that I think I will use with chelation. It is WORKING.Its a

> South American herb,, Bahamian ,,Indian,,I need an herbal mercury

> detoxification for my baby .I will not give her 10mgs of 2-103t4(fake

> compound) every 4 hours for 3 weeks on odd numbered days.Certainly

> someone knows,,,probably a Shaman passed over by the medical

> community because of his grades and he never went to a university. I

> am not kidding I've enlightened my doctor with herbals ,,, and this

> has gone on for a thousands of years,,,maybe hit or miss but with

> fewer side effects and toxic results. Please help or at least

> research

> I will tell ya what I know friends

>

> Still weeeping

> and looking to save my baby

> Chris

>

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> because I dont want to dose my child up on pharmacueticals.

alpha lipoic acid (a chelation agent discussed in great detail

on this list) is a naturally occuring substance. It is

synthetically created for sale as a supplement.

Please say more about what aspects of pharmaceuticals concern

you and we can discuss whether these concerns apply to ALA.

I am not picking on you BTW, I share your preference for

herbs over chemicals.....

> I feel

> that is what has brought me here.I did suffer from gout(after the

> birth of my children) and doctors gave me colchicine,allopurinol

> etc.etc.I found chanca piedra literally " stone breaker " that

> dissolves kidney stones and lowers uric acid levels and prevents

gout

> at an herbal web page .. It lowers blood pressure and is a liver

> purifier that I think I will use with chelation. It is WORKING.Its

a

> South American herb,, Bahamian ,,Indian,,I need an herbal mercury

> detoxification for my baby .I will not give her 10mgs of 2-103t4

(fake

> compound) every 4 hours for 3 weeks on odd numbered days.

make that every 3 or 4 hours for 3 DAYS. Not on odd numbered

days, rather EVERY day for 3 days. Odd numbered days is

dangerous

> Certainly

> someone knows,,,probably a Shaman passed over by the medical

> community because of his grades and he never went to a university.

I read about every food and herbal chelation idea I could

find for quite a good while. I'm actually afraid to tell

you more about it, because I'm not sure that you have

been exposed to the reasons and evidence that 3 to 4 hour dosing

is important. Unfortunately, these reasons apply to herbs

as well as concocted chemical agents. I HAVE READ

PERSONAL STORIES OF PEOPLE BEING HARMED. By herbs

used for chelation. Really.

When I arrived at this list (about 3 or 4 years ago?)

I thought this whole wake-up-at-night-thing was nuts.

I figured I would learn what I could while happily

ignoring that part. I no longer look at it this way.

In addition to waking up 2 nights a week many weeks

for 1.5 years, I think it is a worthy idea to recommend

to others (even though I will gladly admit the idea is

STILL NOW very painful to me.)

> I

> am not kidding I've enlightened my doctor with herbals ,,, and

this

> has gone on for a thousands of years,,,maybe hit or miss but with

> fewer side effects and toxic results.

I'm not kidding either, and I do not need to be enlightened

on the subject. I have a yard full of herbs, cabinets full

of tinctures (some of which I made) and dried herbs, a shelf

of books about herbs, another shelf of books about using foods

and juices for healing, an herbalist whom I see every couple

of weeks, and so on.....

Moria

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In a message dated 2/18/2004 2:55:17 AM Central Standard Time,

crueton7@... writes:

I need an herbal mercury detoxification for my baby .I will not give her

10mgs of 2-103t4(fake compound) every 4 hours for 3 weeks on odd numbered days

I'm not sure what you're talking about here? A DMSA protocol? If so, using

it only on odd numbered days sounds like a bad idea.

Anyway... from your other comments, I do understand you are wanting to find a

herbal or " natural " chelator. My son and I tried a few of these with limited

success. First, we used cilantro tea we made from boiling a bunch of

cilantro in 4 cups of water for 20 minutes and drank it in small, divided

portions

throughout the day. We both saw some benefits from it along with some brief

periods of increase in problem symptoms which could be consistent with the metal

processing effects many experience during chelation. However, we didn't do

any testing at that point so have no idea if it really did anything good or bad.

We also did homeopathic remedies and then took an herbal preparation called

Metaline for several rounds again with similar results.

DMSA and DMPS really were the only things we used though that really had a

lasting, positive effect. Since we did not do any testing when doing the

" natural " remedies, I cannot say whether they drew out any metals or not but if

I

were to guess (not a good way to evaluate a treatment, I know), I'd say they

probably pulled some metals but not nearly as effectively as the RX chelators.

In hindsight, knowing what I know now about metals and chelation, I'd be

concerned about damage an in-effective or in-efficient protocol could cause.

That being said, some doctors have followed allithiamine cream as a chelator

and report good results.

Also, we did use magnesium malate to chelate our high levels of aluminum at a

time we were doing regular testing and did see both an increase in output and

significant decrease in memory problems and focus difficulties. However, mag

malate is only good for chelating aluminium, to my knowledge.

Gaylen

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> In a message dated 2/18/2004 2:55:17 AM Central Standard Time,

> crueton7@y... writes:

> I need an herbal mercury detoxification for my baby .I will not

give her

> 10mgs of 2-103t4(fake compound) every 4 hours for 3 weeks on odd

numbered days

> I'm not sure what you're talking about here? A DMSA protocol? If

so, using

> it only on odd numbered days sounds like a bad idea.

>

> Anyway... from your other comments, I do understand you are wanting

to find a

> herbal or " natural " chelator. My son and I tried a few of these

with limited

> success. First, we used cilantro tea we made from boiling a bunch

of

> cilantro in 4 cups of water for 20 minutes and drank it in small,

divided portions

> throughout the day. We both saw some benefits from it along with

some brief

> periods of increase in problem symptoms which could be consistent

with the metal

> processing effects many experience during chelation. However, we

didn't do

> any testing at that point so have no idea if it really did anything

good or bad.

>

> We also did homeopathic remedies and then took an herbal

preparation called

> Metaline for several rounds again with similar results.

>

> DMSA and DMPS really were the only things we used though that

really had a

> lasting, positive effect. Since we did not do any testing when

doing the

> " natural " remedies, I cannot say whether they drew out any metals

or not but if I

> were to guess (not a good way to evaluate a treatment, I know), I'd

say they

> probably pulled some metals but not nearly as effectively as the RX

chelators.

> In hindsight, knowing what I know now about metals and chelation,

I'd be

> concerned about damage an in-effective or in-efficient protocol

could cause.

>

> That being said, some doctors have followed allithiamine cream as a

chelator

> and report good results.

>

> Also, we did use magnesium malate to chelate our high levels of

aluminum at a

> time we were doing regular testing and did see both an increase in

output and

> significant decrease in memory problems and focus difficulties.

However, mag

> malate is only good for chelating aluminium, to my knowledge.

> Gaylen

>

> I'm sorry that was only a pun concoction and schedule used to get

my point to you. Bad Idea here because someone might think this

newbie Knows what he is talking about ,, I dont YET

Thanx for caring

I have never been to such a loving group sniff

SC

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Honest we're all for herbs. Other than for immediately life threatening

situations and a root canal, none of us (my family)have needed to resort

to pharmaceutical medications. Herbs, oils, lots of outrageous stuff.

The reason alpha lipoic acid and dmsa are recommended here is that they

have a known response. X amount of ala is likely to do Y. Adjust

amount and interval according to child's actual response. Repeat exact

amount and best interval. Actually, what the parents do on this list

puts hospital pharmacy practice to shame. The parents titrate doses and

administer them around the clock according to their kinetics. It's so

impressive.

The chelators used have a pretty narrow therapeutic range when used for

this purpose, especially in children. You can't really come up with

that precise a dose with an herb. Plants have genetic variation and

will express their constituents differently from plant to plant. Soil

fertility varies across a field. That will change a plant's properties

also. It's just possible to do this with something encapsulated but

make sure you get all the herb ever needed from a single batch.

Cilantro seems to chelate but we don't know what constituent(s) of that

herb is active for this purpose and it's certainly not measured in

commercial herbs.

Also ala is a supplement and something the body makes. Dmsa is a

pharmaceutical and a supplement. Really these are safer because we know

a lot about them.