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> Your last e-mail came to the list infected with a virus. Better run a viru=

> s scan and disinfect!

If you mean the last one Subject: Re: Crockpot where she tals about

the juiciest lamb she has ever eaten... its clean.

Red

(Who has never EVER been caught by a virus with good reason)[0]

[0] The good reason being I don't run any Microsoft software. Unix baby yeah!

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> I also assume your virus definitions are up to date; no more than 2 weeks =

> old.

The " Virus Protection " industry treats its customers as a cash cow.

It is easy to stop all virii[0] in their track with 3 or 4 modifications

to windows machines. The whole concept of detecting a virus by " Subject "

or " string " (scanning the mail for known words) is flawed.

Another, and perhaps more important point. When a virus gets into the

wild the most damage is done in the first 48-72 hours. How many

virus companies have:

a, Released a patch for their virus software to detect and fix?

b, Managed to distribute it to all their users.

It is a conspiricy. I can prove it :)

Red

[0] I know thats not correct latin but so many people use it I'm going

to

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> I also assume your virus definitions are up to date; no more than 2 weeks =

> old.

The " Virus Protection " industry treats its customers as a cash cow.

It is easy to stop all virii[0] in their track with 3 or 4 modifications

to windows machines. The whole concept of detecting a virus by " Subject "

or " string " (scanning the mail for known words) is flawed.

Another, and perhaps more important point. When a virus gets into the

wild the most damage is done in the first 48-72 hours. How many

virus companies have:

a, Released a patch for their virus software to detect and fix?

b, Managed to distribute it to all their users.

It is a conspiricy. I can prove it :)

Red

[0] I know thats not correct latin but so many people use it I'm going

to

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> I also assume your virus definitions are up to date; no more than 2 weeks =

> old.

The " Virus Protection " industry treats its customers as a cash cow.

It is easy to stop all virii[0] in their track with 3 or 4 modifications

to windows machines. The whole concept of detecting a virus by " Subject "

or " string " (scanning the mail for known words) is flawed.

Another, and perhaps more important point. When a virus gets into the

wild the most damage is done in the first 48-72 hours. How many

virus companies have:

a, Released a patch for their virus software to detect and fix?

b, Managed to distribute it to all their users.

It is a conspiricy. I can prove it :)

Red

[0] I know thats not correct latin but so many people use it I'm going

to

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> I think President Bush's war on terrorism should extend to tracking down cy=

> ber-virus creators. They should all be hoisted by their petards and swing =

> in the breeze until death or old age, whichever comes first.

Unfortunatly, it does. Bush's new law criminalises some of the work I

do in the UK as a security consultant. Baby out with the bath water again.

This is contraversial :) You'll think I'm joking but I promise you I'm not.

I believe that virus writers are providing a public service by illustrating

how insecure this software really is. Microsofts security record is

absolutely abismal... there is no company with a worse record.

It really bugs me when I hear " the Internet was crippled by .... " . No it

isn't, the masses who have been given little choice and deserted by the

manufacturer and being milked like a cash-cow by the industry are

being blackmailed. All virus' could be stopped in a couple of weeks of

development. The industry chooses not to.

The reason I believe they are a public service is that the more annoying

and embarrasing the epidemic becomes.. the sooner this will all be over.

We have not seen a REAL virus yet, designed to cause mahem. Any mahem

so far has been purely accidental. If you want mayhem, try this:

i) Mail to all users in address book.

2) Scan and infect all IIS machines you can find.

3) Scan through Webbrowser cache looking for email address'

(hmmm, anything@anything should do it).

4) Locate any accounting software on machine.

5) Add transaction to log to transfer current balance

to a nice anonymous bank account.[0]

Next time the user logs in to their bank using the " convenient "

service, that transaction will go through.

6) Bleed anonymous account dry as the money comes in.

There are countless ways that virii could be written. I am glad

its not something I will ever have to deal with.

Red

[0] Who would be liable? Microsoft for writing Windows? The accounting

software vendor? The EMail client vendor? The virus scanning

company for not providing an instant fix? You for " not downloading "

the fix in time? The answer once you read all the T/C's will

be that no-one will admit liability.

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> I think President Bush's war on terrorism should extend to tracking down cy=

> ber-virus creators. They should all be hoisted by their petards and swing =

> in the breeze until death or old age, whichever comes first.

Unfortunatly, it does. Bush's new law criminalises some of the work I

do in the UK as a security consultant. Baby out with the bath water again.

This is contraversial :) You'll think I'm joking but I promise you I'm not.

I believe that virus writers are providing a public service by illustrating

how insecure this software really is. Microsofts security record is

absolutely abismal... there is no company with a worse record.

It really bugs me when I hear " the Internet was crippled by .... " . No it

isn't, the masses who have been given little choice and deserted by the

manufacturer and being milked like a cash-cow by the industry are

being blackmailed. All virus' could be stopped in a couple of weeks of

development. The industry chooses not to.

The reason I believe they are a public service is that the more annoying

and embarrasing the epidemic becomes.. the sooner this will all be over.

We have not seen a REAL virus yet, designed to cause mahem. Any mahem

so far has been purely accidental. If you want mayhem, try this:

i) Mail to all users in address book.

2) Scan and infect all IIS machines you can find.

3) Scan through Webbrowser cache looking for email address'

(hmmm, anything@anything should do it).

4) Locate any accounting software on machine.

5) Add transaction to log to transfer current balance

to a nice anonymous bank account.[0]

Next time the user logs in to their bank using the " convenient "

service, that transaction will go through.

6) Bleed anonymous account dry as the money comes in.

There are countless ways that virii could be written. I am glad

its not something I will ever have to deal with.

Red

[0] Who would be liable? Microsoft for writing Windows? The accounting

software vendor? The EMail client vendor? The virus scanning

company for not providing an instant fix? You for " not downloading "

the fix in time? The answer once you read all the T/C's will

be that no-one will admit liability.

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My virus software picked it up as it was downloaded from the server. Software should pick it up, even if you don't open the attachment [or the mail message, for that matter].

HJ

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I run my updates and my virus scans daily. I also have my Norton program set to scan email as it comes in...... I've had no problem with Kim's in part because even though I do the scan daily I don't always open attachments.

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My virus software picked it up as it was downloaded from the server. Software should pick it up, even if you don't open the attachment [or the mail message, for that matter].

HJ

----- Original Message -----

I run my updates and my virus scans daily. I also have my Norton program set to scan email as it comes in...... I've had no problem with Kim's in part because even though I do the scan daily I don't always open attachments.

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My virus software picked it up as it was downloaded from the server. Software should pick it up, even if you don't open the attachment [or the mail message, for that matter].

HJ

----- Original Message -----

I run my updates and my virus scans daily. I also have my Norton program set to scan email as it comes in...... I've had no problem with Kim's in part because even though I do the scan daily I don't always open attachments.

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It was in an attachment to Kim's posting yesterday; subject: Re: Re: Manufacture of Cells Dear

The virus was W32.Magistr.39921 (AT) mm (DOT) It should be on your list of virus protection, as it has been around a while.

If you do not accept attachments, you would not see it. If you are on digest, you would not see it. If you virus scan is not set to check e-mail, you will not see it., but you won't catch the virus unless you open the attachment.

HJ

----- Original Message -----

this has me confused because I have virus software that is up to date and havent seen a response on any email, not that I am saying that it is not there mind you... just wondering what it is and all.... hoping that my software isnt giving me a false sense of security here since it didnt pick it up....

do you remember what this virus showed up as?? name wise??

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It was in an attachment to Kim's posting yesterday; subject: Re: Re: Manufacture of Cells Dear

The virus was W32.Magistr.39921 (AT) mm (DOT) It should be on your list of virus protection, as it has been around a while.

If you do not accept attachments, you would not see it. If you are on digest, you would not see it. If you virus scan is not set to check e-mail, you will not see it., but you won't catch the virus unless you open the attachment.

HJ

----- Original Message -----

this has me confused because I have virus software that is up to date and havent seen a response on any email, not that I am saying that it is not there mind you... just wondering what it is and all.... hoping that my software isnt giving me a false sense of security here since it didnt pick it up....

do you remember what this virus showed up as?? name wise??

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I am on no mail.

I read all the posts on the internet.

That particular virus showed up through my virus scanner yesterday

when I went into email.

It had obviously come through someone elses address book ( possibly

Kim's)

As the sender was unknown to me, & my virus protection picked it up,

I deleted it, then performed another scan for extra security.

Maybe you should all go on web only.

Tania

-- In Atkins_Support_List@y..., " Brook6 " <brook6@v...> wrote:

> It was in an attachment to Kim's posting yesterday;

> subject: Re: Re: Manufacture of Cells Dear

>

> The virus was W32.Magistr.39921 (AT) mm (DOT) It should be on your list of

virus protection, as it has been around a while.

>

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I am on no mail.

I read all the posts on the internet.

That particular virus showed up through my virus scanner yesterday

when I went into email.

It had obviously come through someone elses address book ( possibly

Kim's)

As the sender was unknown to me, & my virus protection picked it up,

I deleted it, then performed another scan for extra security.

Maybe you should all go on web only.

Tania

-- In Atkins_Support_List@y..., " Brook6 " <brook6@v...> wrote:

> It was in an attachment to Kim's posting yesterday;

> subject: Re: Re: Manufacture of Cells Dear

>

> The virus was W32.Magistr.39921 (AT) mm (DOT) It should be on your list of

virus protection, as it has been around a while.

>

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If Kim has ever mailed you personally [vs the list], you may be in her

address book. I sent her a personal message about the virus, and I got

ANOTHER copy. I know it was not intentional, but that virus has a hold on

her address book!

HJ

----- Original Message -----

> That particular virus showed up through my virus scanner yesterday

> when I went into email.

> It had obviously come through someone elses address book ( possibly

> Kim's)

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If Kim has ever mailed you personally [vs the list], you may be in her

address book. I sent her a personal message about the virus, and I got

ANOTHER copy. I know it was not intentional, but that virus has a hold on

her address book!

HJ

----- Original Message -----

> That particular virus showed up through my virus scanner yesterday

> when I went into email.

> It had obviously come through someone elses address book ( possibly

> Kim's)

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If Kim has ever mailed you personally [vs the list], you may be in her

address book. I sent her a personal message about the virus, and I got

ANOTHER copy. I know it was not intentional, but that virus has a hold on

her address book!

HJ

----- Original Message -----

> That particular virus showed up through my virus scanner yesterday

> when I went into email.

> It had obviously come through someone elses address book ( possibly

> Kim's)

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