paying the piper

[Guest guest]

It concerns me that some folks are mad that Lance is winning (sometimes the

crowd is booing him and that is downright scary in this age of terrorism).

Lance works very hard, rides for 8 hours each day and trains in the

mountains. He sleeps in an altitude tent so that's why he can breathe

normally in the mountains. He organizes his team and he plans every attack.

He combines intelligence with athleticism and smart training and a team

which works well together. He has not made a secret of what he does, as a

matter of fact, he has written two books and there was even a show called

" The Lance Chronicals " on OLN - a 12 or so show series. Carmichael

(his personal coach) has taken extensive interviews. So anyone could do

what he is doing... it is just plain work. Actually Jan is probably the

stronger rider because even with having a sloppy training plan and a team

which seems to have no plan at all, he's still keeping up with Lance. But he

cannot complain if he doesn't win Lance because Lance paid the price.

I find that so true with anything even weight control. It's like even

someone like me who is nowheres near to svelte at 208 but just normal

sized - well with my age and genetics that's a lot of work. I really watch

what I eat, I have counted my points daily without missing a day since Oct

2002, I exercise 90 minutes to 2 hours a day. No secrets there.

People don't realize if you put in the work, you get the prize. Lance

deserves everything he's gotten because he's trained hard and smart and if

Jan expects to win, he's got to put in the work also. There aint no fairy

godmother....

I don't LIKE Lance that much as a person... he seems like someone who makes

sure when he's DOING good, there's a camera going which is ok... the tdf is

not a test of moral fibre and he doesn't HAVE to do good - that's his choice

but he deserves to win the tdf because he's absolutely dazzling in his

performance this year. I like Jan better as a person and Voekler is

the real cutie, but he's got to put in the work to do better. A shame with

Jan, because he's a really impressive talent - extremely strong rider

grinding up those horrible grades in a big gear. As Liggett says " he's a

real beast on that bicycle " .

Sue who rode my bike 20 miles today

Re: Help with a difficult situation

> >

> >

> > > Nope, I had the pyloris sparing technique which removes the

> > duodenum

> > > but

> > not

> > > part of the stomach. She didn't know those details so she wouldn't

> > > have

> > come

> > > to the conclusion that way.

> >

> > Those details are easily found on the web by Googling

> > " Whipple procedure " .

>

> She doesn't even research what she's teaching, she'd not Google anything.

> Trust me. One of the reasons we no longer team teach A+ (computer

> maintenance and repair) is that she refused to keep her information up to

> date. She just wasn't " in " to it, she'd tell me. My personal opinion on a

> teacher who decides she's not " in " to the topic she's teaching so won't do

> any research on it so her kids can have valid information, she should be

> fired. (That has nothing to do with my personal feelings about her. I

think

> any teacher who doesn't want to put in the effort needs to find someplace

> else to be.)

>

> > So did you have the whole 18 inches of duodenum removed? Not

> > having this 18 inches of high absorbant small bowel is

> > considered the part of the way a proximal gastric bypass

> > works in the long term to keep weight off. Of course, whether

> > it really works that way or not remains to be seen... there

> > is a lot of confusion about WLS (weight loss surgery) since

> > it is still somewhat controversial.

>

> Yup, I have no duodenum. The impact on my diet has been that I need to eat

> more often, small meals. Other than that I can't be sure if it's something

> that is helping me keep weight off because I've never gone off weight

> watchers. Even when I had to regain after the surgeries, I used the points

> system to keep track of what I was eating. If I journal my food vs my

> expended calories in my Fitday software I generally don't eat as much as I

> burn, so I'm not thinking at all that it's actually helping me keep weight

> off. But who knows? Maybe I'm eating more than I think I am or expending

> less.

>

> > Also even if you HAD HAD WLS, the remarks of your friend were

> > inappropriate. Many WLS patients are plagued by those around

> > them who taunt them with " you took the easy way out " when WLS

> > is not easy at all. It's painful and risky and requires a

> > lot of after surgery compliance such as a lot of

> > supplementation etc. I know a lot of pretty courageous

> > people who had WLS but they did not take the " easy way out "

> > and they work hard on a daily basis even if it worked for

> > them (and it doesn't work for some folks).

>

> Well since I'd already lost all of my weight, having WLS would have made

> ZERO sense. It isn't the easy way out, I realize that. I have a friend who

> did it and she's very happy with her results, but it required her to make

> her lifestyle change practically overnight. There just is not an option to

> have an " off program day " without getting sick. She had some

complications,

> but fortunately she's worked through them.

>

> Then there are those who have very serious complications. I saw a lady on

> the news who was down to 80 pounds. They have no idea why she can't keep

> weight on, so they're feeding her intraveniously so they can get her back

up

> to over 100 pounds and operate again to fix it. She was 52 years old but

> literally looked like she was in her 90s. So sad! Thankfully she was the

> exception rather than the rule in WLS!

>

> > Well glad it's all behind you... you must be the Lance

> > Armstrong of the Weight Watchers set! (For those living

> > in a vacuum... i.e. not glued to the tube for the Tour de

> > France, Lance ripped ALL his contenders apart in the time

> > trial today).

>

> I know! Woo Lance! He's one of my heroes. Not because of his mean biking

> abilities, but because he just amazes me that he was SO sick and yet he

> conquered cancer with his team of doctors, and came back to make his body

> better and harder than it ever was. On top of that he continues to work

with

> cancer patients. When you're sick everyone around you stops treating you

> like a human, but he gives people that back. I think that's the neatest

> thing. In fact, I'm watching the TDF right now! My nephew wants to play

Xbox

> but I said nope...not until the race is over!

>

> > Sue who got up at 5 am this morning to watch the Tour De

> > France - can we say addictive?

> Very!

[Guest guest]

I hear you Sue! Lance works his tiny little hiney off in the off season and

has paid for it with a divorce and other personal problems. He is an

incredible athlete and he's winning because he has trained and trained, and

trained some more. He does every single leg at least once, and the mountain

legs more than once to prepare. He knows the course inside and out. He and

his team study wind resistance (did some of that at the University of

Washington, in fact), nutrtition, teamwork, and any aspect that could

possibly affect his race. He doesn't just prepare, he over-prepares. In fact

a lot of other riders are starting to adopt his training style because it's

a winning style.

Did you see yesterday's finish? Did you SEE that? Oh my GOSH that was

incredible! I watched it. Rewound it and watched it again. Then when Roy

came home, I rewound it again and showed him. That was probably one of the

best sports moments I've ever seen. I'm not a huge sports watcher, so I'm

sure there are lots of other finishes like that, but wow wow wow.

> paying the piper

>

>

> It concerns me that some folks are mad that Lance is winning

> (sometimes the crowd is booing him and that is downright

> scary in this age of terrorism). Lance works very hard, rides

> for 8 hours each day and trains in the mountains. He sleeps

> in an altitude tent so that's why he can breathe normally in

> the mountains. He organizes his team and he plans every

> attack. He combines intelligence with athleticism and smart

> training and a team which works well together. He has not

> made a secret of what he does, as a matter of fact, he has

> written two books and there was even a show called " The Lance

> Chronicals " on OLN - a 12 or so show series. Chris

> Carmichael (his personal coach) has taken extensive

> interviews. So anyone could do what he is doing... it is

> just plain work. Actually Jan is probably the stronger rider

> because even with having a sloppy training plan and a team

> which seems to have no plan at all, he's still keeping up

> with Lance. But he cannot complain if he doesn't win Lance

> because Lance paid the price.

>

> I find that so true with anything even weight control. It's

> like even someone like me who is nowheres near to svelte at

> 208 but just normal sized - well with my age and genetics

> that's a lot of work. I really watch what I eat, I have

> counted my points daily without missing a day since Oct 2002,

> I exercise 90 minutes to 2 hours a day. No secrets there.

>

> People don't realize if you put in the work, you get the

> prize. Lance deserves everything he's gotten because he's

> trained hard and smart and if Jan expects to win, he's got to

> put in the work also. There aint no fairy godmother....

>

> I don't LIKE Lance that much as a person... he seems like

> someone who makes sure when he's DOING good, there's a camera

> going which is ok... the tdf is not a test of moral fibre and

> he doesn't HAVE to do good - that's his choice but he

> deserves to win the tdf because he's absolutely dazzling in

> his performance this year. I like Jan better as a person and

> Voekler is the real cutie, but he's got to put in the

> work to do better. A shame with Jan, because he's a really

> impressive talent - extremely strong rider grinding up those

> horrible grades in a big gear. As Liggett says " he's a real

> beast on that bicycle " .

>

> Sue who rode my bike 20 miles today

>

> Re: Help with a difficult

> > > situation

> > >

> > >

> > > > Nope, I had the pyloris sparing technique which removes the

> > > duodenum

> > > > but

> > > not

> > > > part of the stomach. She didn't know those details so

> she wouldn't

> > > > have

> > > come

> > > > to the conclusion that way.

> > >

> > > Those details are easily found on the web by Googling " Whipple

> > > procedure " .

> >

> > She doesn't even research what she's teaching, she'd not Google

> > anything. Trust me. One of the reasons we no longer team teach A+

> > (computer maintenance and repair) is that she refused to keep her

> > information up to date. She just wasn't " in " to it, she'd

> tell me. My

> > personal opinion on a teacher who decides she's not " in " to

> the topic

> > she's teaching so won't do any research on it so her kids can have

> > valid information, she should be fired. (That has nothing

> to do with

> > my personal feelings about her. I

> think

> > any teacher who doesn't want to put in the effort needs to find

> > someplace else to be.)

> >

> > > So did you have the whole 18 inches of duodenum removed?

> Not having

> > > this 18 inches of high absorbant small bowel is

> considered the part

> > > of the way a proximal gastric bypass works in the long

> term to keep

> > > weight off. Of course, whether it really works that way or not

> > > remains to be seen... there is a lot of confusion about

> WLS (weight

> > > loss surgery) since it is still somewhat controversial.

> >

> > Yup, I have no duodenum. The impact on my diet has been

> that I need to

> > eat more often, small meals. Other than that I can't be

> sure if it's

> > something that is helping me keep weight off because I've

> never gone

> > off weight watchers. Even when I had to regain after the

> surgeries, I

> > used the points system to keep track of what I was eating. If I

> > journal my food vs my expended calories in my Fitday software I

> > generally don't eat as much as I burn, so I'm not thinking

> at all that

> > it's actually helping me keep weight off. But who knows? Maybe I'm

> > eating more than I think I am or expending less.

> >

> > > Also even if you HAD HAD WLS, the remarks of your friend were

> > > inappropriate. Many WLS patients are plagued by those around them

> > > who taunt them with " you took the easy way out " when WLS

> is not easy

> > > at all. It's painful and risky and requires a lot of

> after surgery

> > > compliance such as a lot of supplementation etc. I know a lot of

> > > pretty courageous people who had WLS but they did not

> take the " easy

> > > way out " and they work hard on a daily basis even if it worked for

> > > them (and it doesn't work for some folks).

> >

> > Well since I'd already lost all of my weight, having WLS would have

> > made ZERO sense. It isn't the easy way out, I realize that.

> I have a

> > friend who did it and she's very happy with her results, but it

> > required her to make her lifestyle change practically

> overnight. There

> > just is not an option to have an " off program day " without getting

> > sick. She had some

> complications,

> > but fortunately she's worked through them.

> >

> > Then there are those who have very serious complications. I

> saw a lady

> > on the news who was down to 80 pounds. They have no idea

> why she can't

> > keep weight on, so they're feeding her intraveniously so

> they can get

> > her back

> up

> > to over 100 pounds and operate again to fix it. She was 52

> years old

> > but literally looked like she was in her 90s. So sad!

> Thankfully she

> > was the exception rather than the rule in WLS!

> >

> > > Well glad it's all behind you... you must be the Lance

> Armstrong of

> > > the Weight Watchers set! (For those living in a

> vacuum... i.e.

> > > not glued to the tube for the Tour de France, Lance

> ripped ALL his

> > > contenders apart in the time trial today).

> >

> > I know! Woo Lance! He's one of my heroes. Not because of his mean

> > biking abilities, but because he just amazes me that he was SO sick

> > and yet he conquered cancer with his team of doctors, and

> came back to

> > make his body better and harder than it ever was. On top of that he

> > continues to work

> with

> > cancer patients. When you're sick everyone around you stops

> treating

> > you like a human, but he gives people that back. I think that's the

> > neatest thing. In fact, I'm watching the TDF right now! My nephew

> > wants to play

> Xbox

> > but I said nope...not until the race is over!

> >

> > > Sue who got up at 5 am this morning to watch the Tour De France -

> > > can we say addictive?

> > Very!

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sure have watched the whole thing... Lance has been fantastic... his

condition is just unbelievable, his strategy flawless... he and postal guys

have raised the bar of excellence ... that's what folks don't like... well

too bad.

I was a bit upset why he didn't give the stage to Kloden but then found out

he did that on purpose because apparently the German people in the crowd

were extremely rude to him. So I'm glad of what he did - maybe that will

teach them next time to behave better because I think he'da have given the

stage to T-Mobile if the crowd had behaved better.

Sue

Re: Help with a difficult

> > > > situation

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Nope, I had the pyloris sparing technique which removes the

> > > > duodenum

> > > > > but

> > > > not

> > > > > part of the stomach. She didn't know those details so

> > she wouldn't

> > > > > have

> > > > come

> > > > > to the conclusion that way.

> > > >

> > > > Those details are easily found on the web by Googling " Whipple

> > > > procedure " .

> > >

> > > She doesn't even research what she's teaching, she'd not Google

> > > anything. Trust me. One of the reasons we no longer team teach A+

> > > (computer maintenance and repair) is that she refused to keep her

> > > information up to date. She just wasn't " in " to it, she'd

> > tell me. My

> > > personal opinion on a teacher who decides she's not " in " to

> > the topic

> > > she's teaching so won't do any research on it so her kids can have

> > > valid information, she should be fired. (That has nothing

> > to do with

> > > my personal feelings about her. I

> > think

> > > any teacher who doesn't want to put in the effort needs to find

> > > someplace else to be.)

> > >

> > > > So did you have the whole 18 inches of duodenum removed?

> > Not having

> > > > this 18 inches of high absorbant small bowel is

> > considered the part

> > > > of the way a proximal gastric bypass works in the long

> > term to keep

> > > > weight off. Of course, whether it really works that way or not

> > > > remains to be seen... there is a lot of confusion about

> > WLS (weight

> > > > loss surgery) since it is still somewhat controversial.

> > >

> > > Yup, I have no duodenum. The impact on my diet has been

> > that I need to

> > > eat more often, small meals. Other than that I can't be

> > sure if it's

> > > something that is helping me keep weight off because I've

> > never gone

> > > off weight watchers. Even when I had to regain after the

> > surgeries, I

> > > used the points system to keep track of what I was eating. If I

> > > journal my food vs my expended calories in my Fitday software I

> > > generally don't eat as much as I burn, so I'm not thinking

> > at all that

> > > it's actually helping me keep weight off. But who knows? Maybe I'm

> > > eating more than I think I am or expending less.

> > >

> > > > Also even if you HAD HAD WLS, the remarks of your friend were

> > > > inappropriate. Many WLS patients are plagued by those around them

> > > > who taunt them with " you took the easy way out " when WLS

> > is not easy

> > > > at all. It's painful and risky and requires a lot of

> > after surgery

> > > > compliance such as a lot of supplementation etc. I know a lot of

> > > > pretty courageous people who had WLS but they did not

> > take the " easy

> > > > way out " and they work hard on a daily basis even if it worked for

> > > > them (and it doesn't work for some folks).

> > >

> > > Well since I'd already lost all of my weight, having WLS would have

> > > made ZERO sense. It isn't the easy way out, I realize that.

> > I have a

> > > friend who did it and she's very happy with her results, but it

> > > required her to make her lifestyle change practically

> > overnight. There

> > > just is not an option to have an " off program day " without getting

> > > sick. She had some

> > complications,

> > > but fortunately she's worked through them.

> > >

> > > Then there are those who have very serious complications. I

> > saw a lady

> > > on the news who was down to 80 pounds. They have no idea

> > why she can't

> > > keep weight on, so they're feeding her intraveniously so

> > they can get

> > > her back

> > up

> > > to over 100 pounds and operate again to fix it. She was 52

> > years old

> > > but literally looked like she was in her 90s. So sad!

> > Thankfully she

> > > was the exception rather than the rule in WLS!

> > >

> > > > Well glad it's all behind you... you must be the Lance

> > Armstrong of

> > > > the Weight Watchers set! (For those living in a

> > vacuum... i.e.

> > > > not glued to the tube for the Tour de France, Lance

> > ripped ALL his

> > > > contenders apart in the time trial today).

> > >

> > > I know! Woo Lance! He's one of my heroes. Not because of his mean

> > > biking abilities, but because he just amazes me that he was SO sick

> > > and yet he conquered cancer with his team of doctors, and

> > came back to

> > > make his body better and harder than it ever was. On top of that he

> > > continues to work

> > with

> > > cancer patients. When you're sick everyone around you stops

> > treating

> > > you like a human, but he gives people that back. I think that's the

> > > neatest thing. In fact, I'm watching the TDF right now! My nephew

> > > wants to play

> > Xbox

> > > but I said nope...not until the race is over!

> > >

> > > > Sue who got up at 5 am this morning to watch the Tour De France -

> > > > can we say addictive?

> > > Very!

> >

> >

> >

> >