Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Of my two deaf boys, Sam is a champion lip-reader (Tom is not). I think Sam reads lips so well because it's just how he's wired. Sam is 11 and a big baseball fan. He was watching a Redsox/Yankees game on television on day when A-Rod from the Yankees and Varitek from the 'sox got into a " verbal altercation " . Sam was watching very carefully (obviously reading lips - eeek!) when he looked at my husband and said " Dad, is A-Rod telling Varitek to fight me?! " . We told him YES! That's exactly what he was saying! LOL... So I laugh - it's not always a great thing. Barbara Kearns wrote: >I think some people have asked about our children's abilities to lip read and some I believe have asked if it could be taught. I never considered " teaching " that skill because I believe it's something that is just picked up, especially with kids with hearing loss. I was thinking about this because we were playing with lip reading last night. > > was running around after bath time. Something about being naked makes my boys run around like nuts. So was in his brother's room jumping on the bed when I went in there to put on his pajamas. We're chatting normally even though he doesn't have his ears on. Sometimes I like to " test " him to see what he can or cannot hear without his equipment. I know he hears something. At one point I asked him, " Can you hear me? " And he said, " Yes " I keep talking and tell him at one point " I don't think you can hear me with your ears. You're just lip reading. " >A few minutes later when he has his CI processor on he asks me, " What's lip read? " >I thought that was so interesting considering he had to have lip read me in the first place to pick up that term. I explained to him how it was when you see what people are saying by looking at the shape of their mouth and how it moves when they talk. You can tell what people say even if you don't hear them. ANd I explained that he knew how to do that but his brother didn't. He thought that was pretty neat. I showed him an example by mouthing, " My name is mommy. " He repeated it. >He thought this was really fun and he kept wanting me to do more, like a game. >I did " I love you " - he said " I love you " >I did " Happy Birthday " he said " Birthday " >I did " Good morning " he said " good boy " > >I remember when he was still in the crib I could say something like clap your hands when he didn't have his hearing aids in and he would do it. He has always been watching our lips without us ever directing his attention to them. And I know even with his CI that gives him all the speech sounds he still uses that skill. It facinates me. > >I remember one day at the beach he asked me what one of the play tools were. It was a little plastic hoe. He didn't have his CI on because he was in the water. I said, That's a hoe " >He responded, " A hose? " >I was flabergasted. How in the world did he detect I was saying the " H " sound at the beginning. I figure he picked up on the O from the shape of my lips and just said a familiar word that he guessed I could have said. > >In the bath last night he asked what one of the floating character toy's name was. I said, " Telly " he wasn't sure on this one and kept asking me to repeat it. He went on to call it " Tellin " He got the T and the L. > >Last year at a Xmas party we were standing in line to see Santa. Before we got close to Santa told me, " I can't hear him. He has a beard. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Of my two deaf boys, Sam is a champion lip-reader (Tom is not). I think Sam reads lips so well because it's just how he's wired. Sam is 11 and a big baseball fan. He was watching a Redsox/Yankees game on television on day when A-Rod from the Yankees and Varitek from the 'sox got into a " verbal altercation " . Sam was watching very carefully (obviously reading lips - eeek!) when he looked at my husband and said " Dad, is A-Rod telling Varitek to fight me?! " . We told him YES! That's exactly what he was saying! LOL... So I laugh - it's not always a great thing. Barbara Kearns wrote: >I think some people have asked about our children's abilities to lip read and some I believe have asked if it could be taught. I never considered " teaching " that skill because I believe it's something that is just picked up, especially with kids with hearing loss. I was thinking about this because we were playing with lip reading last night. > > was running around after bath time. Something about being naked makes my boys run around like nuts. So was in his brother's room jumping on the bed when I went in there to put on his pajamas. We're chatting normally even though he doesn't have his ears on. Sometimes I like to " test " him to see what he can or cannot hear without his equipment. I know he hears something. At one point I asked him, " Can you hear me? " And he said, " Yes " I keep talking and tell him at one point " I don't think you can hear me with your ears. You're just lip reading. " >A few minutes later when he has his CI processor on he asks me, " What's lip read? " >I thought that was so interesting considering he had to have lip read me in the first place to pick up that term. I explained to him how it was when you see what people are saying by looking at the shape of their mouth and how it moves when they talk. You can tell what people say even if you don't hear them. ANd I explained that he knew how to do that but his brother didn't. He thought that was pretty neat. I showed him an example by mouthing, " My name is mommy. " He repeated it. >He thought this was really fun and he kept wanting me to do more, like a game. >I did " I love you " - he said " I love you " >I did " Happy Birthday " he said " Birthday " >I did " Good morning " he said " good boy " > >I remember when he was still in the crib I could say something like clap your hands when he didn't have his hearing aids in and he would do it. He has always been watching our lips without us ever directing his attention to them. And I know even with his CI that gives him all the speech sounds he still uses that skill. It facinates me. > >I remember one day at the beach he asked me what one of the play tools were. It was a little plastic hoe. He didn't have his CI on because he was in the water. I said, That's a hoe " >He responded, " A hose? " >I was flabergasted. How in the world did he detect I was saying the " H " sound at the beginning. I figure he picked up on the O from the shape of my lips and just said a familiar word that he guessed I could have said. > >In the bath last night he asked what one of the floating character toy's name was. I said, " Telly " he wasn't sure on this one and kept asking me to repeat it. He went on to call it " Tellin " He got the T and the L. > >Last year at a Xmas party we were standing in line to see Santa. Before we got close to Santa told me, " I can't hear him. He has a beard. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Of my two deaf boys, Sam is a champion lip-reader (Tom is not). I think Sam reads lips so well because it's just how he's wired. Sam is 11 and a big baseball fan. He was watching a Redsox/Yankees game on television on day when A-Rod from the Yankees and Varitek from the 'sox got into a " verbal altercation " . Sam was watching very carefully (obviously reading lips - eeek!) when he looked at my husband and said " Dad, is A-Rod telling Varitek to fight me?! " . We told him YES! That's exactly what he was saying! LOL... So I laugh - it's not always a great thing. Barbara Kearns wrote: >I think some people have asked about our children's abilities to lip read and some I believe have asked if it could be taught. I never considered " teaching " that skill because I believe it's something that is just picked up, especially with kids with hearing loss. I was thinking about this because we were playing with lip reading last night. > > was running around after bath time. Something about being naked makes my boys run around like nuts. So was in his brother's room jumping on the bed when I went in there to put on his pajamas. We're chatting normally even though he doesn't have his ears on. Sometimes I like to " test " him to see what he can or cannot hear without his equipment. I know he hears something. At one point I asked him, " Can you hear me? " And he said, " Yes " I keep talking and tell him at one point " I don't think you can hear me with your ears. You're just lip reading. " >A few minutes later when he has his CI processor on he asks me, " What's lip read? " >I thought that was so interesting considering he had to have lip read me in the first place to pick up that term. I explained to him how it was when you see what people are saying by looking at the shape of their mouth and how it moves when they talk. You can tell what people say even if you don't hear them. ANd I explained that he knew how to do that but his brother didn't. He thought that was pretty neat. I showed him an example by mouthing, " My name is mommy. " He repeated it. >He thought this was really fun and he kept wanting me to do more, like a game. >I did " I love you " - he said " I love you " >I did " Happy Birthday " he said " Birthday " >I did " Good morning " he said " good boy " > >I remember when he was still in the crib I could say something like clap your hands when he didn't have his hearing aids in and he would do it. He has always been watching our lips without us ever directing his attention to them. And I know even with his CI that gives him all the speech sounds he still uses that skill. It facinates me. > >I remember one day at the beach he asked me what one of the play tools were. It was a little plastic hoe. He didn't have his CI on because he was in the water. I said, That's a hoe " >He responded, " A hose? " >I was flabergasted. How in the world did he detect I was saying the " H " sound at the beginning. I figure he picked up on the O from the shape of my lips and just said a familiar word that he guessed I could have said. > >In the bath last night he asked what one of the floating character toy's name was. I said, " Telly " he wasn't sure on this one and kept asking me to repeat it. He went on to call it " Tellin " He got the T and the L. > >Last year at a Xmas party we were standing in line to see Santa. Before we got close to Santa told me, " I can't hear him. He has a beard. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 --- Kearns wrote: << I never considered " teaching " that skill because I believe it's something that is just picked up, especially with kids with hearing loss. >> I've really enjoyed reading your recent posts about 's hearing. It's great to see how they think, isn't it? We're astounded by Emmett's ability to lip read. And we always get a good laugh out of the words he gets wrong. When we tell him what he " heard " incorrectly, he usually gets a good chuckle himself. And, he's always telling people to look at him because he can't hear them. When Emmett is near water, he wears a plug in his left ear because he still has a tube in place. He's essentially deaf with the plug in and we're always amazed at how he really can't hear us unless he's looking at us. It just shows us what a valuable tool lip reading is and how amazing Emmett is to have " taught " himself. Johanna __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 This was all very interesting to me -- thanks for sharing. Grace is severe/profound with auditory neuropathy and is wearing aids but we don't think they are benefitting her much. She detects sound but can't really understand what is said. She's almost 4 and vocalizes alot but the only time she really says a word is when we get in her face and ask her to repeat what we're saying. She looks at our mouth and does the same thing with hers and to her, she is saying the word correctly. We're working on the CI process and hopefully will get a surgery date soon. I'm hoping that all this 'lipreading' that we're making her do will help her learn to understand what is said. I do think it is a skill that is just learned but we sort of make Grace do it by not giving her what she wants until she tries to say the word. So she has to look at our mouth right now. She signs " milk " . I get in her face and say and sign " I want milk please " . Then she has to do it with me or do it on her own before I give her the milk. I figure she is learning lipreading as well as proper sentence structure and manners all at once. Her pronunciation is awful but we don't care about that right now. We applaud the effort. I've read that deaf kids really do need to watch the speakers mouth to understand it all. Is that true for all deaf kids? Cherie Mom to , 6, and Grace, 3.8, sev/pro HL with AN wearing aids, trying to get CI > > I think some people have asked about our children's abilities to lip read and some I believe have asked if it could be taught. I never considered " teaching " that skill because I believe it's something that is just picked up, especially with kids with hearing loss. I was thinking about this because we were playing with lip reading last night. > > was running around after bath time. Something about being naked makes my boys run around like nuts. So was in his brother's room jumping on the bed when I went in there to put on his pajamas. We're chatting normally even though he doesn't have his ears on. Sometimes I like to " test " him to see what he can or cannot hear without his equipment. I know he hears something. At one point I asked him, " Can you hear me? " And he said, " Yes " I keep talking and tell him at one point " I don't think you can hear me with your ears. You're just lip reading. " > A few minutes later when he has his CI processor on he asks me, " What's lip read? " > I thought that was so interesting considering he had to have lip read me in the first place to pick up that term. I explained to him how it was when you see what people are saying by looking at the shape of their mouth and how it moves when they talk. You can tell what people say even if you don't hear them. ANd I explained that he knew how to do that but his brother didn't. He thought that was pretty neat. I showed him an example by mouthing, " My name is mommy. " He repeated it. > He thought this was really fun and he kept wanting me to do more, like a game. > I did " I love you " - he said " I love you " > I did " Happy Birthday " he said " Birthday " > I did " Good morning " he said " good boy " > > I remember when he was still in the crib I could say something like clap your hands when he didn't have his hearing aids in and he would do it. He has always been watching our lips without us ever directing his attention to them. And I know even with his CI that gives him all the speech sounds he still uses that skill. It facinates me. > > I remember one day at the beach he asked me what one of the play tools were. It was a little plastic hoe. He didn't have his CI on because he was in the water. I said, That's a hoe " > He responded, " A hose? " > I was flabergasted. How in the world did he detect I was saying the " H " sound at the beginning. I figure he picked up on the O from the shape of my lips and just said a familiar word that he guessed I could have said. > > In the bath last night he asked what one of the floating character toy's name was. I said, " Telly " he wasn't sure on this one and kept asking me to repeat it. He went on to call it " Tellin " He got the T and the L. > > Last year at a Xmas party we were standing in line to see Santa. Before we got close to Santa told me, " I can't hear him. He has a beard. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 This was all very interesting to me -- thanks for sharing. Grace is severe/profound with auditory neuropathy and is wearing aids but we don't think they are benefitting her much. She detects sound but can't really understand what is said. She's almost 4 and vocalizes alot but the only time she really says a word is when we get in her face and ask her to repeat what we're saying. She looks at our mouth and does the same thing with hers and to her, she is saying the word correctly. We're working on the CI process and hopefully will get a surgery date soon. I'm hoping that all this 'lipreading' that we're making her do will help her learn to understand what is said. I do think it is a skill that is just learned but we sort of make Grace do it by not giving her what she wants until she tries to say the word. So she has to look at our mouth right now. She signs " milk " . I get in her face and say and sign " I want milk please " . Then she has to do it with me or do it on her own before I give her the milk. I figure she is learning lipreading as well as proper sentence structure and manners all at once. Her pronunciation is awful but we don't care about that right now. We applaud the effort. I've read that deaf kids really do need to watch the speakers mouth to understand it all. Is that true for all deaf kids? Cherie Mom to , 6, and Grace, 3.8, sev/pro HL with AN wearing aids, trying to get CI > > I think some people have asked about our children's abilities to lip read and some I believe have asked if it could be taught. I never considered " teaching " that skill because I believe it's something that is just picked up, especially with kids with hearing loss. I was thinking about this because we were playing with lip reading last night. > > was running around after bath time. Something about being naked makes my boys run around like nuts. So was in his brother's room jumping on the bed when I went in there to put on his pajamas. We're chatting normally even though he doesn't have his ears on. Sometimes I like to " test " him to see what he can or cannot hear without his equipment. I know he hears something. At one point I asked him, " Can you hear me? " And he said, " Yes " I keep talking and tell him at one point " I don't think you can hear me with your ears. You're just lip reading. " > A few minutes later when he has his CI processor on he asks me, " What's lip read? " > I thought that was so interesting considering he had to have lip read me in the first place to pick up that term. I explained to him how it was when you see what people are saying by looking at the shape of their mouth and how it moves when they talk. You can tell what people say even if you don't hear them. ANd I explained that he knew how to do that but his brother didn't. He thought that was pretty neat. I showed him an example by mouthing, " My name is mommy. " He repeated it. > He thought this was really fun and he kept wanting me to do more, like a game. > I did " I love you " - he said " I love you " > I did " Happy Birthday " he said " Birthday " > I did " Good morning " he said " good boy " > > I remember when he was still in the crib I could say something like clap your hands when he didn't have his hearing aids in and he would do it. He has always been watching our lips without us ever directing his attention to them. And I know even with his CI that gives him all the speech sounds he still uses that skill. It facinates me. > > I remember one day at the beach he asked me what one of the play tools were. It was a little plastic hoe. He didn't have his CI on because he was in the water. I said, That's a hoe " > He responded, " A hose? " > I was flabergasted. How in the world did he detect I was saying the " H " sound at the beginning. I figure he picked up on the O from the shape of my lips and just said a familiar word that he guessed I could have said. > > In the bath last night he asked what one of the floating character toy's name was. I said, " Telly " he wasn't sure on this one and kept asking me to repeat it. He went on to call it " Tellin " He got the T and the L. > > Last year at a Xmas party we were standing in line to see Santa. Before we got close to Santa told me, " I can't hear him. He has a beard. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 This was all very interesting to me -- thanks for sharing. Grace is severe/profound with auditory neuropathy and is wearing aids but we don't think they are benefitting her much. She detects sound but can't really understand what is said. She's almost 4 and vocalizes alot but the only time she really says a word is when we get in her face and ask her to repeat what we're saying. She looks at our mouth and does the same thing with hers and to her, she is saying the word correctly. We're working on the CI process and hopefully will get a surgery date soon. I'm hoping that all this 'lipreading' that we're making her do will help her learn to understand what is said. I do think it is a skill that is just learned but we sort of make Grace do it by not giving her what she wants until she tries to say the word. So she has to look at our mouth right now. She signs " milk " . I get in her face and say and sign " I want milk please " . Then she has to do it with me or do it on her own before I give her the milk. I figure she is learning lipreading as well as proper sentence structure and manners all at once. Her pronunciation is awful but we don't care about that right now. We applaud the effort. I've read that deaf kids really do need to watch the speakers mouth to understand it all. Is that true for all deaf kids? Cherie Mom to , 6, and Grace, 3.8, sev/pro HL with AN wearing aids, trying to get CI > > I think some people have asked about our children's abilities to lip read and some I believe have asked if it could be taught. I never considered " teaching " that skill because I believe it's something that is just picked up, especially with kids with hearing loss. I was thinking about this because we were playing with lip reading last night. > > was running around after bath time. Something about being naked makes my boys run around like nuts. So was in his brother's room jumping on the bed when I went in there to put on his pajamas. We're chatting normally even though he doesn't have his ears on. Sometimes I like to " test " him to see what he can or cannot hear without his equipment. I know he hears something. At one point I asked him, " Can you hear me? " And he said, " Yes " I keep talking and tell him at one point " I don't think you can hear me with your ears. You're just lip reading. " > A few minutes later when he has his CI processor on he asks me, " What's lip read? " > I thought that was so interesting considering he had to have lip read me in the first place to pick up that term. I explained to him how it was when you see what people are saying by looking at the shape of their mouth and how it moves when they talk. You can tell what people say even if you don't hear them. ANd I explained that he knew how to do that but his brother didn't. He thought that was pretty neat. I showed him an example by mouthing, " My name is mommy. " He repeated it. > He thought this was really fun and he kept wanting me to do more, like a game. > I did " I love you " - he said " I love you " > I did " Happy Birthday " he said " Birthday " > I did " Good morning " he said " good boy " > > I remember when he was still in the crib I could say something like clap your hands when he didn't have his hearing aids in and he would do it. He has always been watching our lips without us ever directing his attention to them. And I know even with his CI that gives him all the speech sounds he still uses that skill. It facinates me. > > I remember one day at the beach he asked me what one of the play tools were. It was a little plastic hoe. He didn't have his CI on because he was in the water. I said, That's a hoe " > He responded, " A hose? " > I was flabergasted. How in the world did he detect I was saying the " H " sound at the beginning. I figure he picked up on the O from the shape of my lips and just said a familiar word that he guessed I could have said. > > In the bath last night he asked what one of the floating character toy's name was. I said, " Telly " he wasn't sure on this one and kept asking me to repeat it. He went on to call it " Tellin " He got the T and the L. > > Last year at a Xmas party we were standing in line to see Santa. Before we got close to Santa told me, " I can't hear him. He has a beard. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 " morning " and " boy " Caleb is in kindergarten and we are working very hard on letter sounds. When he looks at my face for clues in reading, he often mixes up " b " with " m " . Since they don't really sound that similiar, I think it has a lot to do with lip reading. I'm sure he doesn't know that he has that skill either. But I know that if you mouth something to him, he can usually figure out what your saying also. Cool. Caleb, 6, bilateral SNHL, aided , 8, hearing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 --- Cherie wrote: <<I've read that deaf kids really do need to watch the speakers mouth to understand it all. Is that true for all deaf kids? >> Hi, Cherie. I've spoken with deaf adults who say that what they gain from watching our lips are clues, not the exact word most times. They can take an educated guess at the word, given context, etc. Sometimes they actually get the word but not always, as evidenced by our comments that our children sometimes misunderstand what we've said. I've gotten many quizzical looks from Emmett so then I know he's misunderstood the word. johanna __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 --- Cherie wrote: <<I've read that deaf kids really do need to watch the speakers mouth to understand it all. Is that true for all deaf kids? >> Hi, Cherie. I've spoken with deaf adults who say that what they gain from watching our lips are clues, not the exact word most times. They can take an educated guess at the word, given context, etc. Sometimes they actually get the word but not always, as evidenced by our comments that our children sometimes misunderstand what we've said. I've gotten many quizzical looks from Emmett so then I know he's misunderstood the word. johanna __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 lip reading with voice is easier than lip reading if there is no voice. mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 In a message dated 11/4/2005 1:56:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, em2_mom@... writes: I've spoken with deaf adults who say that what they gain from watching our lips are clues, not the exact word most times. This is exactly how Ian describes lip reading. He takes what he hears and what he sees and uses a mixture to get the right meanings. When we had (forced) the district bring in a TOD consultant to test/affirm Ian's lip reading abilities in order to help prove that his hearing loss WAS educationally significant, one part of the test was a very simple procedure. She sat behind him and then facing him and recited a list of nonsense words mixed with real ones. She started with the words from behind him so he would not be alerted to the fact that some words would be nonsense. He made ALL those words into real ones and did not repeat a single nonsense word. When she said the words facing him, he was able to say the actual nonsense words and he even laugh about them. He got every one right when facing the teacher, even the really hard ones. His lip reading abilities were confirmed. This silent coping skill that had all his teachers insisting that he " really does hear better than the parents are saying " was exposed and confirmed as really existing. (Momma is always right, LOL) No one taught him this skill, he unknowingly developed it as his hearing deteriorated. And he learned on one of the hardest faces -- a full beard and moustache (my hubby, not me, grin). Like Barbara's son, he'll lip read what people in the background of movies or news shows are saying and it's really funny sometimes. The lousy part of having a good lip reader in the house, is that he doesn't need to be very close to know what we're saying. Keeping secrets -- like what Santa has bought for Christmas, is really difficult. LOL -- Jill -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 In a message dated 11/4/2005 1:56:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, em2_mom@... writes: I've spoken with deaf adults who say that what they gain from watching our lips are clues, not the exact word most times. This is exactly how Ian describes lip reading. He takes what he hears and what he sees and uses a mixture to get the right meanings. When we had (forced) the district bring in a TOD consultant to test/affirm Ian's lip reading abilities in order to help prove that his hearing loss WAS educationally significant, one part of the test was a very simple procedure. She sat behind him and then facing him and recited a list of nonsense words mixed with real ones. She started with the words from behind him so he would not be alerted to the fact that some words would be nonsense. He made ALL those words into real ones and did not repeat a single nonsense word. When she said the words facing him, he was able to say the actual nonsense words and he even laugh about them. He got every one right when facing the teacher, even the really hard ones. His lip reading abilities were confirmed. This silent coping skill that had all his teachers insisting that he " really does hear better than the parents are saying " was exposed and confirmed as really existing. (Momma is always right, LOL) No one taught him this skill, he unknowingly developed it as his hearing deteriorated. And he learned on one of the hardest faces -- a full beard and moustache (my hubby, not me, grin). Like Barbara's son, he'll lip read what people in the background of movies or news shows are saying and it's really funny sometimes. The lousy part of having a good lip reader in the house, is that he doesn't need to be very close to know what we're saying. Keeping secrets -- like what Santa has bought for Christmas, is really difficult. LOL -- Jill -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 In a message dated 11/4/2005 1:56:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, em2_mom@... writes: I've spoken with deaf adults who say that what they gain from watching our lips are clues, not the exact word most times. This is exactly how Ian describes lip reading. He takes what he hears and what he sees and uses a mixture to get the right meanings. When we had (forced) the district bring in a TOD consultant to test/affirm Ian's lip reading abilities in order to help prove that his hearing loss WAS educationally significant, one part of the test was a very simple procedure. She sat behind him and then facing him and recited a list of nonsense words mixed with real ones. She started with the words from behind him so he would not be alerted to the fact that some words would be nonsense. He made ALL those words into real ones and did not repeat a single nonsense word. When she said the words facing him, he was able to say the actual nonsense words and he even laugh about them. He got every one right when facing the teacher, even the really hard ones. His lip reading abilities were confirmed. This silent coping skill that had all his teachers insisting that he " really does hear better than the parents are saying " was exposed and confirmed as really existing. (Momma is always right, LOL) No one taught him this skill, he unknowingly developed it as his hearing deteriorated. And he learned on one of the hardest faces -- a full beard and moustache (my hubby, not me, grin). Like Barbara's son, he'll lip read what people in the background of movies or news shows are saying and it's really funny sometimes. The lousy part of having a good lip reader in the house, is that he doesn't need to be very close to know what we're saying. Keeping secrets -- like what Santa has bought for Christmas, is really difficult. LOL -- Jill -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Hi all.....my son is 13 years old (Mod/severe HI, oral, AV trained, mainstreamed) and in the midst of Bar Mitzvah parties every weekend. For those of you who do not what these entail, they tend be very loud, very large parties held in banquet rooms that involve a DJ leading the kids/adults in contests and dances. In short, not an easy atmosphere for anyone to hear each other, let alone a kid with hearing aids. A concerned friend called me today to tell me that spent a good part of a party this weekend sitting by himself playing games on his cell phone. His friends did try to engage him and he did participate some of the time, but my guess is they all became frustrated. When I asked him about the party, he told me he had a great time and that was all. This got me thinking..... Here is my question - How much do you think could benefit from learning to lip read? Is this a skill that can be taught or is it mostly just picked up? I know he does utilize lip reading sometimes, but it is not something we ever stressed as learned to listen/speak through the AV method (in fact we used to cover our mouths when we spoke to him). Any input is much appreciated deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Our son lip-reads his way through situations like the one you describe. He lip reads at the bowling alley, large dinners (we seem to attend a lot of those lately), weddings, and school dances, not to mention the lunchroom every day at school. Since we didn't learn of Ian's loss until he was over 7, he had already taught himself that skill and it helped fool us into thinking he could hear better than he ready could. It was how he coped his way through kindergarten and first grade. It was only when he was faced with a teacher who paced and he had to follow along as kids read aloud that his coping skills exhausted themselves and we discovered he actually had a hearing loss. Lip reading is a very useful skill for Ian. I know that people are told to block the mouth so that the child practices listening, but I have never really understood that. For Ian, practicing listening involved learning to lip-read. For him " listening " happens with both his ears and his eyes assisting each other. In school he now uses the aids, FM and lip cues all at once to " listen. " Best -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Our son lip-reads his way through situations like the one you describe. He lip reads at the bowling alley, large dinners (we seem to attend a lot of those lately), weddings, and school dances, not to mention the lunchroom every day at school. Since we didn't learn of Ian's loss until he was over 7, he had already taught himself that skill and it helped fool us into thinking he could hear better than he ready could. It was how he coped his way through kindergarten and first grade. It was only when he was faced with a teacher who paced and he had to follow along as kids read aloud that his coping skills exhausted themselves and we discovered he actually had a hearing loss. Lip reading is a very useful skill for Ian. I know that people are told to block the mouth so that the child practices listening, but I have never really understood that. For Ian, practicing listening involved learning to lip-read. For him " listening " happens with both his ears and his eyes assisting each other. In school he now uses the aids, FM and lip cues all at once to " listen. " Best -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Hi Deb, My daughter Maggie is 14 and has a similar loss and is also AV trained. She wasn't diagnosed until age 3 3/4 years so she had already learned to lip read by then. The audie asked if she ever tried to get us to face her when we talked and boy did she ever. She would grab your chin and jerk your head around to where she was before she talked to us - and then didn't let go until we talked to her. Before we knew she couldn't hear, the other child our babysitter sat for was diagnosed with some hearing loss from chronic ear infections. So the babysitter would hold the other little girl's face in her hands and talk to her very deliberately. She also tried this with Maggie and it seemed to work because she would more often do what you asked. After that Maggie was constantly grabbing our chins and turning our heads - and she was a lot more rough than the baby sitter!! We have a pool and so summers are spent there with no HA's on, and Maggie really gets good at lip reading then. Once she was in the kitchen and her dad asked her through the window to bring him a coke. She brought a bar of soap! So lipreading definitely has it's risks! Maggie does the same thing in a crowded noisy room. Kind of shuts downl. When she was little and in that situation she would eat paper! Now she does the cell phone thing or plays games on her calculator. I don't know if lip reading per se can be taught, but I know that oral programs used that alot in the days before CI's and digital hearing aids. So maybe it can be taught. in GA Lip Reading > >Hi all.....my son is 13 years old (Mod/severe HI, oral, AV trained, >mainstreamed) and in the midst of Bar Mitzvah parties every weekend. For those >of you who do not what these entail, they tend be very loud, very large >parties held in banquet rooms that involve a DJ leading the kids/adults in >contests and dances. In short, not an easy atmosphere for anyone to hear each >other, let alone a kid with hearing aids. > >A concerned friend called me today to tell me that spent a good part >of a party this weekend sitting by himself playing games on his cell phone. >His friends did try to engage him and he did participate some of the time, but >my guess is they all became frustrated. When I asked him about the party, he >told me he had a great time and that was all. This got me thinking..... > >Here is my question - How much do you think could benefit from >learning to lip read? Is this a skill that can be taught or is it mostly just >picked up? I know he does utilize lip reading sometimes, but it is not something >we ever stressed as learned to listen/speak through the AV method (in >fact we used to cover our mouths when we spoke to him). > >Any input is much appreciated >deb > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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