Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 Liz, What I saw my son doing, apparently wasn't because of seizures, because there was a normal EEG. What you are seeing is probably best described as stemming. And I think that stemming comes from early spasms. With my child it would get worst if there was something there to excite him, something he could stem on, as to say. I have seen other children that do it all the time, and it is hard for them to stop. Here is one definition, but I have seen others that describe it a little bit different, and it sounds more like stemming. Best, Carlton http://www.ninds.nih.gov/health_and_medical/disorders/infantilespasms.htm What are Infantile Spasms? Infantile spasm (IS) is a specific type of seizure seen in an epilepsy syndrome of infancy and early childhood known as West Syndrome. The onset is predominantly in the first year of life, typically between 3-6 months. The typical pattern of IS is a sudden bending forward and stiffening of the body, arms, and legs; although there can also be arching of the torso. Spasms tend to begin soon after arousal from sleep. Individual spasms typically last for 1 to 5 seconds and occur in clusters, ranging from 2 to 100 spasms at a time. Infants may have dozens of clusters and several hundred spasms per day. Infantile spasms usually stop by age 5, but are often replaced by other seizure types. West Syndrome is characterized by infantile spasms, hypsarrhythmia (abnormal, chaotic brain wave patterns), and mental retardation. Other neurological disorders, such as cerebral palsy, may be seen in 30-50% of those with IS. > > Andy, I see where you will be speaking at the Autism-One conference > in > > May. If at all possible I will be attending your presentation. If > you > > see me in the back of the audience waving my hand, it will be > because > > I have a question that I would like for you to answer. And I would > > like to give you an opportunity to think about your answer before > the > > question is asked. > > Those that know me from the internet know that I study from > Medline, > > and have done so for over a decade. I entered into a study of > autistic > > symptoms just about the day after my son presented with his first > > symptoms, and have relentlessly pursued that study for over 12 > years, > > the age of my son with autism. > > About six or seven years ago, I studied mercury, I thought then > that > > there might be a possibility that mercury could cause autism. > > However, there was just this one thing in the way. Autism is > defined > > solely by a set of symptoms. Infantile spasms has been mentioned > > in approximately 30 or more times in articles about autism. It is > > a symptom that I can well recognize because it was a symptom that > > my child had at an early age. My father has Parkinson's disease, > > so in a clinical sense I know what that symptom looks like. > > What is undeniable is tremor is a prominent feature of mercury > > poisoning, there are over 100 articles that describe tremor in > mercury > > poisoning even in infants, but there is no mention of tremor as a > > symptom of autism. There is no mention of infantile spasms in > > mercury poisoning. It is actually the reason that I stopped > reviewing > > mercury as a possible contributor to autistic behavior, because > quite > > frankly if the symptoms don't match, you have hit a dead end. > > I have read from several autism sites where the symptoms of > mercury > > poisoning are listed along with autistic symptoms. It is concerning > > that tremor has been left out. Now a square peg can be driven in a > > round hole, but does it really fit? > > Best, Carlton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 - Can you please describe what an infant spasm looks like?- Could it be done by older children with ASD? My son (almost 4) does something where he bends forward and tightens his arms- and sometimes if he is excited he will do it quite often. I have also seen other children with ASD do similar types of tightening movements such as holding their arms in the air and stiffening (which my son does not do). Would these be considered spasms? Thanks. Liz > Andy, I see where you will be speaking at the Autism-One conference in > May. If at all possible I will be attending your presentation. If you > see me in the back of the audience waving my hand, it will be because > I have a question that I would like for you to answer. And I would > like to give you an opportunity to think about your answer before the > question is asked. > Those that know me from the internet know that I study from Medline, > and have done so for over a decade. I entered into a study of autistic > symptoms just about the day after my son presented with his first > symptoms, and have relentlessly pursued that study for over 12 years, > the age of my son with autism. > About six or seven years ago, I studied mercury, I thought then that > there might be a possibility that mercury could cause autism. > However, there was just this one thing in the way. Autism is defined > solely by a set of symptoms. Infantile spasms has been mentioned > in approximately 30 or more times in articles about autism. It is > a symptom that I can well recognize because it was a symptom that > my child had at an early age. My father has Parkinson's disease, > so in a clinical sense I know what that symptom looks like. > What is undeniable is tremor is a prominent feature of mercury > poisoning, there are over 100 articles that describe tremor in mercury > poisoning even in infants, but there is no mention of tremor as a > symptom of autism. There is no mention of infantile spasms in > mercury poisoning. It is actually the reason that I stopped reviewing > mercury as a possible contributor to autistic behavior, because quite > frankly if the symptoms don't match, you have hit a dead end. > I have read from several autism sites where the symptoms of mercury > poisoning are listed along with autistic symptoms. It is concerning > that tremor has been left out. Now a square peg can be driven in a > round hole, but does it really fit? > Best, Carlton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 I don't recall seeing tremor listed as a symptom of acrodynia, and it is less common in organic mercury tox as compared to inorganic or elemental mercury tox. I don't find this terribly inconsistent, children and adults often show fairly different signs of the same problem - they are wired rather differently. If you really want something to delve into, find out if acrodynia victims had tremor at the time, or whether the grown ups who had acrodynia have it now. The cure of so many children on proper chelation is pretty conclusive proof that they were mercury poisoned so this is more a curiosity than a decisionmaking issue. Andy . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . > Andy, I see where you will be speaking at the Autism-One conference in > May. If at all possible I will be attending your presentation. If you > see me in the back of the audience waving my hand, it will be because > I have a question that I would like for you to answer. And I would > like to give you an opportunity to think about your answer before the > question is asked. > Those that know me from the internet know that I study from Medline, > and have done so for over a decade. I entered into a study of autistic > symptoms just about the day after my son presented with his first > symptoms, and have relentlessly pursued that study for over 12 years, > the age of my son with autism. > About six or seven years ago, I studied mercury, I thought then that > there might be a possibility that mercury could cause autism. > However, there was just this one thing in the way. Autism is defined > solely by a set of symptoms. Infantile spasms has been mentioned > in approximately 30 or more times in articles about autism. It is > a symptom that I can well recognize because it was a symptom that > my child had at an early age. My father has Parkinson's disease, > so in a clinical sense I know what that symptom looks like. > What is undeniable is tremor is a prominent feature of mercury > poisoning, there are over 100 articles that describe tremor in mercury > poisoning even in infants, but there is no mention of tremor as a > symptom of autism. There is no mention of infantile spasms in > mercury poisoning. It is actually the reason that I stopped reviewing > mercury as a possible contributor to autistic behavior, because quite > frankly if the symptoms don't match, you have hit a dead end. > I have read from several autism sites where the symptoms of mercury > poisoning are listed along with autistic symptoms. It is concerning > that tremor has been left out. Now a square peg can be driven in a > round hole, but does it really fit? > Best, Carlton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 At 09:02 24-3-2004, you wrote: > > What is undeniable is tremor is a prominent feature of mercury > > poisoning, there are over 100 articles that describe tremor in mercury > > poisoning even in infants, but there is no mention of tremor as a > > symptom of autism. But does this mean that kids who have been diagnosed with autism by mainstream doctors don't have it? They might have it, but it might not be seen as related to their autism just because it's not *thought of* as part of the collection of symptoms any more than the common cold is. I'm an adult who is benefitting from chelation, and I spent a couple of weeks trembling, a few years ago. My doctor said it was probably stress or the heat (!) and didn't even make a note of it, so it's not documented anywhere in my medical file. Could the same thing be happening with some autistic kids? If you ask around, do any parents of autistic kids tell you that some of their kids do indeed shake? > There is no mention of infantile spasms in > > mercury poisoning. If I recall correctly it is a *very* common symptom of adverse vaccine reaction. > It is actually the reason that I stopped reviewing > > mercury as a possible contributor to autistic behavior, because quite > > frankly if the symptoms don't match, you have hit a dead end. Sometimes diagnosis are redefined over time, though. Which symptoms constitute a syndrome or illness is a process of observation and consensus by human beings, and human beings don't always agree. For an example of this, review the history of poorly understood conditions such as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (which sometimes is, and sometimes isn't, considered to be the same thing as Myalgic Encephalitis) or Fibromyalgia or Schizophrenia and you'll see that different experts ( & expert organizations) use different definitions, and that their definitions have changed over time. > > Now a square peg can be driven in a > > round hole, but does it really fit? Wouldn't method of administration and age of exposure impact how toxicity symptoms present? Acrodynia in infants (from teething powders used in English speaking areas) looked a little different from acrodynia in nine & ten year olds (from anthelmintics given by mouth used on the European continent) if I recall correctly. It wouldn't suprise me if direct intravenous administration affected the body differently yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Andy, Thank you for your reply. I am not trying to be sarcastic or have intentions of putting you on the defensive. I honestly have a problem with believing that children with autism are mercury poisoned based on their symptoms. Please help me with this, because I am not pro-vaccine. My son developed autism within 24 hours of a hepatitis B vaccination. I am not about to let the vaccine companies off the hook, but I have a real problem with 'shouting wolf', unless I have real evidence. The dictionary says acrodynia- a disease of infancy and early childhood characterized by pain and swelling in, and pink coloration of the fingers and toes, and by listlessness, irritability, failure to thrive, generalized inconstant rashes, profuse perspiration, photophobia, loss of teeth. and sometimes scarlet coloration of cheeks and the tip of the nose. Most cases are toxic neuropathies caused by ingestion of or contact with mercury: individual sensitivity may also be a factor. Rats acrodynia a condition in rats, dogs, and pigs due to deficiency of pyridoxine, and marked by swelling and necrosis of the paws, the tips of ears, nose, and lips. I don't remember what medline had on this topic, but I will look. Yet, this is still not a list of autistic symptoms, probably we could include failure to thrive, and perhaps two others, but I just cannot forget that I read pink coloration, rashes, swelling, etc, well probably half these symptoms he didn't have. When I first read about autism, the symptoms of autism. I didn't need any expert to tell me what disease my child was suffering, I knew by the list of symptoms. Here... It just doesn't sound at all like autism. Best, Carlton > I don't recall seeing tremor listed as a symptom of acrodynia, and it > is less common in organic mercury tox as compared to inorganic or > elemental mercury tox. I don't find this terribly inconsistent, > children and adults often show fairly different signs of the same > problem - they are wired rather differently. If you really want > something to delve into, find out if acrodynia victims had tremor at > the time, or whether the grown ups who had acrodynia have it now. > > The cure of so many children on proper chelation is pretty conclusive > proof that they were mercury poisoned so this is more a curiosity than > a decisionmaking issue. > > Andy . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . > > > Andy, I see where you will be speaking at the Autism-One conference in > > May. If at all possible I will be attending your presentation. If you > > see me in the back of the audience waving my hand, it will be because > > I have a question that I would like for you to answer. And I would > > like to give you an opportunity to think about your answer before the > > question is asked. > > Those that know me from the internet know that I study from Medline, > > and have done so for over a decade. I entered into a study of autistic > > symptoms just about the day after my son presented with his first > > symptoms, and have relentlessly pursued that study for over 12 years, > > the age of my son with autism. > > About six or seven years ago, I studied mercury, I thought then that > > there might be a possibility that mercury could cause autism. > > However, there was just this one thing in the way. Autism is defined > > solely by a set of symptoms. Infantile spasms has been mentioned > > in approximately 30 or more times in articles about autism. It is > > a symptom that I can well recognize because it was a symptom that > > my child had at an early age. My father has Parkinson's disease, > > so in a clinical sense I know what that symptom looks like. > > What is undeniable is tremor is a prominent feature of mercury > > poisoning, there are over 100 articles that describe tremor in mercury > > poisoning even in infants, but there is no mention of tremor as a > > symptom of autism. There is no mention of infantile spasms in > > mercury poisoning. It is actually the reason that I stopped reviewing > > mercury as a possible contributor to autistic behavior, because quite > > frankly if the symptoms don't match, you have hit a dead end. > > I have read from several autism sites where the symptoms of mercury > > poisoning are listed along with autistic symptoms. It is concerning > > that tremor has been left out. Now a square peg can be driven in a > > round hole, but does it really fit? > > Best, Carlton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Organic mercury compounds, especially methylmercury, are the most toxic; such compounds can cross the blood-brain barrier and cause irreversible nervous system and brain damage, e.g., loss of motor control, numbness in limbs, blindness, and inability to speak. Women who have eaten methylmercury-contaminated food while pregnant have given birth to children who are blind, retarded, and subject to convulsive seizures. Mercury has long been known to be toxic > I don't recall seeing tremor listed as a symptom of acrodynia, and it > is less common in organic mercury tox as compared to inorganic or > elemental mercury tox. I don't find this terribly inconsistent, > children and adults often show fairly different signs of the same > problem - they are wired rather differently. If you really want > something to delve into, find out if acrodynia victims had tremor at > the time, or whether the grown ups who had acrodynia have it now. > > The cure of so many children on proper chelation is pretty conclusive > proof that they were mercury poisoned so this is more a curiosity than > a decisionmaking issue. > > Andy . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . > > > Andy, I see where you will be speaking at the Autism-One conference in > > May. If at all possible I will be attending your presentation. If you > > see me in the back of the audience waving my hand, it will be because > > I have a question that I would like for you to answer. And I would > > like to give you an opportunity to think about your answer before the > > question is asked. > > Those that know me from the internet know that I study from Medline, > > and have done so for over a decade. I entered into a study of autistic > > symptoms just about the day after my son presented with his first > > symptoms, and have relentlessly pursued that study for over 12 years, > > the age of my son with autism. > > About six or seven years ago, I studied mercury, I thought then that > > there might be a possibility that mercury could cause autism. > > However, there was just this one thing in the way. Autism is defined > > solely by a set of symptoms. Infantile spasms has been mentioned > > in approximately 30 or more times in articles about autism. It is > > a symptom that I can well recognize because it was a symptom that > > my child had at an early age. My father has Parkinson's disease, > > so in a clinical sense I know what that symptom looks like. > > What is undeniable is tremor is a prominent feature of mercury > > poisoning, there are over 100 articles that describe tremor in mercury > > poisoning even in infants, but there is no mention of tremor as a > > symptom of autism. There is no mention of infantile spasms in > > mercury poisoning. It is actually the reason that I stopped reviewing > > mercury as a possible contributor to autistic behavior, because quite > > frankly if the symptoms don't match, you have hit a dead end. > > I have read from several autism sites where the symptoms of mercury > > poisoning are listed along with autistic symptoms. It is concerning > > that tremor has been left out. Now a square peg can be driven in a > > round hole, but does it really fit? > > Best, Carlton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Tremors typically begin with a subtle trembling of the fingers; this later affects the hand, forearm, facial muscles, tongue, and larynx and eventually reaches the lower limbs. With Mercury toxicity In its most acute form, tremors may invade all the voluntary muscles and be continuous. My son has both...seizures and also tremors...the tremors are diffrent from the seizures. > I don't recall seeing tremor listed as a symptom of acrodynia, and it > is less common in organic mercury tox as compared to inorganic or > elemental mercury tox. I don't find this terribly inconsistent, > children and adults often show fairly different signs of the same > problem - they are wired rather differently. If you really want > something to delve into, find out if acrodynia victims had tremor at > the time, or whether the grown ups who had acrodynia have it now. > > The cure of so many children on proper chelation is pretty conclusive > proof that they were mercury poisoned so this is more a curiosity than > a decisionmaking issue. > > Andy . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . > > > Andy, I see where you will be speaking at the Autism-One conference in > > May. If at all possible I will be attending your presentation. If you > > see me in the back of the audience waving my hand, it will be because > > I have a question that I would like for you to answer. And I would > > like to give you an opportunity to think about your answer before the > > question is asked. > > Those that know me from the internet know that I study from Medline, > > and have done so for over a decade. I entered into a study of autistic > > symptoms just about the day after my son presented with his first > > symptoms, and have relentlessly pursued that study for over 12 years, > > the age of my son with autism. > > About six or seven years ago, I studied mercury, I thought then that > > there might be a possibility that mercury could cause autism. > > However, there was just this one thing in the way. Autism is defined > > solely by a set of symptoms. Infantile spasms has been mentioned > > in approximately 30 or more times in articles about autism. It is > > a symptom that I can well recognize because it was a symptom that > > my child had at an early age. My father has Parkinson's disease, > > so in a clinical sense I know what that symptom looks like. > > What is undeniable is tremor is a prominent feature of mercury > > poisoning, there are over 100 articles that describe tremor in mercury > > poisoning even in infants, but there is no mention of tremor as a > > symptom of autism. There is no mention of infantile spasms in > > mercury poisoning. It is actually the reason that I stopped reviewing > > mercury as a possible contributor to autistic behavior, because quite > > frankly if the symptoms don't match, you have hit a dead end. > > I have read from several autism sites where the symptoms of mercury > > poisoning are listed along with autistic symptoms. It is concerning > > that tremor has been left out. Now a square peg can be driven in a > > round hole, but does it really fit? > > Best, Carlton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 kevysmom, I would assume you know what stemming looks like? So I am not going to try to describe that symptom. however look up Tremor Mercurialis or Metallic tremor, or arsenic tremor and tell me if you think that is what you are seeing in your child. Forget everything you have been told, and be honest with yourself. I believe that is the only kind of understanding that I have to help my son...is being honest with myself. Is it or is it not? It is the challenges that we have to take on, not to convince others, but to convince ourselves. Best, Carlton > > I don't recall seeing tremor listed as a symptom of acrodynia, and > it > > is less common in organic mercury tox as compared to inorganic or > > elemental mercury tox. I don't find this terribly inconsistent, > > children and adults often show fairly different signs of the same > > problem - they are wired rather differently. If you really want > > something to delve into, find out if acrodynia victims had tremor > at > > the time, or whether the grown ups who had acrodynia have it now. > > > > The cure of so many children on proper chelation is pretty > conclusive > > proof that they were mercury poisoned so this is more a curiosity > than > > a decisionmaking issue. > > > > Andy . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . > > > > > Andy, I see where you will be speaking at the Autism-One > conference in > > > May. If at all possible I will be attending your presentation. > If you > > > see me in the back of the audience waving my hand, it will be > because > > > I have a question that I would like for you to answer. And I > would > > > like to give you an opportunity to think about your answer > before the > > > question is asked. > > > Those that know me from the internet know that I study from > Medline, > > > and have done so for over a decade. I entered into a study of > autistic > > > symptoms just about the day after my son presented with his first > > > symptoms, and have relentlessly pursued that study for over 12 > years, > > > the age of my son with autism. > > > About six or seven years ago, I studied mercury, I thought > then that > > > there might be a possibility that mercury could cause autism. > > > However, there was just this one thing in the way. Autism is > defined > > > solely by a set of symptoms. Infantile spasms has been mentioned > > > in approximately 30 or more times in articles about autism. It is > > > a symptom that I can well recognize because it was a symptom that > > > my child had at an early age. My father has Parkinson's disease, > > > so in a clinical sense I know what that symptom looks like. > > > What is undeniable is tremor is a prominent feature of mercury > > > poisoning, there are over 100 articles that describe tremor in > mercury > > > poisoning even in infants, but there is no mention of tremor as a > > > symptom of autism. There is no mention of infantile spasms in > > > mercury poisoning. It is actually the reason that I stopped > reviewing > > > mercury as a possible contributor to autistic behavior, because > quite > > > frankly if the symptoms don't match, you have hit a dead end. > > > I have read from several autism sites where the symptoms of > mercury > > > poisoning are listed along with autistic symptoms. It is > concerning > > > that tremor has been left out. Now a square peg can be driven in > a > > > round hole, but does it really fit? > > > Best, Carlton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Kevysmom, Dr.Rice had one opinion about mercury toxicity, and completely different view of lead poisoning, just one example of the differences in these two elements. Best, Carlton Neurotoxicol Teratol. 1998 May-Jun;20(3):275-83. Related Articles, Links Lack of effect of methylmercury exposure from birth to adulthood on information processing speed in the monkey. Rice DC. Toxicology Research Division, Health Canada, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. drice@... Although it is established that developmental methylmercury exposure produces severe motor and sensory impairment, the effect on cognitive function is less clear. To explore this issue, monkeys with robust methylmercury-induced deficits in visual, auditory, and somatosensory function were tested on a series of tasks assessing central processing speed, which is highly correlated with intelligence in humans. Five monkeys (Macaca fascicularis) were dosed from birth to 7 years of age with 50 micrograms/kg/day of mercury as methylmercuric chloride. Blood mercury levels were stable at 0.8-1.1 micrograms/g until cessation of dosing. When they were 20 years old, these monkeys and four age- and rearing-matched controls were tested on a series of simple and complex reaction time tasks. The monkey sat in a primate chair with a stainless steel bar centered at waist height. Four push buttons equidistant from the steel bar were mounted on a vertical Plexiglas panel in front of the monkey. The monkey was required to make contact with the bar, then release the bar and push the appropriate button in response to a change in stimulus conditions. For the first task (simple reaction time), the monkey was required to respond on a button when it changed from unlit to red. The monkey then performed a sequence of complex reaction time tasks: two-button, four-button, and several tasks of increasing complexity using four buttons and multiple colors. For each task, the latency to release the bar after the stimulus change (central processing speed) and to move the hand from the bar to the button (motor speed) were determined. Lastly, the monkey was required to make the quickest possible motor response on the simple reaction time task. There were no differences between groups on any aspect of the experiment. These data provide further evidence for absence of cognitive impairment in monkeys exposed developmentally to methylmercury. PMID: 9638685 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Neurotoxicol Teratol. 1992 Jul-Aug;14(4):235-45. Related Articles, Links Behavioral effects of lead in monkeys tested during infancy and adulthood. Rice DC. Toxicology Research Division, Health and Welfare Canada, Ottawa, Ontario. A total of 12 monkeys (Macaca fascicularis) were dosed orally from birth with 0 or 2000 micrograms/kg/day of lead as lead acetate. Blood lead concentrations of treated monkeys peaked at an average of 115 micrograms/dl by 100 days of age and decreased to a steady state level of 33 micrograms/dl after withdrawal of infant formula at 270 days of age. At 5-6 months of age, they were tested on a nonspatial discrimination reversal paradigm. At 2.5-3.0 years of age, they were tested on a series of nonspatial discrimination reversal problems, including irrelevant cues. As adults, performance was assessed on a differential reinforcement of low rate (DRL) schedule of reinforcement, a spatial delayed alternation task, and during training on a visual discrimination task for a visual psychophysics experiment. There were no or marginal deficits on the discrimination reversal task during infancy. Although lead-treated monkeys were impaired on this task as juveniles, they were less impaired than would have been predicted based on their history of blood lead concentrations. Treated monkeys exhibited decreased interresponse times and a greater ratio of responses per reinforcement on the DRL schedule compared to controls. Four of five treated monkeys were unable to learn the visual discrimination task without a remedial training procedure in which the relevant visual stimuli were arranged to appear as if they were on the response buttons. Treated monkeys were unimpaired on the delayed spatial alternation task. The results are interpreted as suggestive of an interaction between the behavioral history of the monkeys as infants with the results of later behavioral testing. PMID: 1522828 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > I don't recall seeing tremor listed as a symptom of acrodynia, and > it > > is less common in organic mercury tox as compared to inorganic or > > elemental mercury tox. I don't find this terribly inconsistent, > > children and adults often show fairly different signs of the same > > problem - they are wired rather differently. If you really want > > something to delve into, find out if acrodynia victims had tremor > at > > the time, or whether the grown ups who had acrodynia have it now. > > > > The cure of so many children on proper chelation is pretty > conclusive > > proof that they were mercury poisoned so this is more a curiosity > than > > a decisionmaking issue. > > > > Andy . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . > > > > > Andy, I see where you will be speaking at the Autism-One > conference in > > > May. If at all possible I will be attending your presentation. > If you > > > see me in the back of the audience waving my hand, it will be > because > > > I have a question that I would like for you to answer. And I > would > > > like to give you an opportunity to think about your answer > before the > > > question is asked. > > > Those that know me from the internet know that I study from > Medline, > > > and have done so for over a decade. I entered into a study of > autistic > > > symptoms just about the day after my son presented with his first > > > symptoms, and have relentlessly pursued that study for over 12 > years, > > > the age of my son with autism. > > > About six or seven years ago, I studied mercury, I thought > then that > > > there might be a possibility that mercury could cause autism. > > > However, there was just this one thing in the way. Autism is > defined > > > solely by a set of symptoms. Infantile spasms has been mentioned > > > in approximately 30 or more times in articles about autism. It is > > > a symptom that I can well recognize because it was a symptom that > > > my child had at an early age. My father has Parkinson's disease, > > > so in a clinical sense I know what that symptom looks like. > > > What is undeniable is tremor is a prominent feature of mercury > > > poisoning, there are over 100 articles that describe tremor in > mercury > > > poisoning even in infants, but there is no mention of tremor as a > > > symptom of autism. There is no mention of infantile spasms in > > > mercury poisoning. It is actually the reason that I stopped > reviewing > > > mercury as a possible contributor to autistic behavior, because > quite > > > frankly if the symptoms don't match, you have hit a dead end. > > > I have read from several autism sites where the symptoms of > mercury > > > poisoning are listed along with autistic symptoms. It is > concerning > > > that tremor has been left out. Now a square peg can be driven in > a > > > round hole, but does it really fit? > > > Best, Carlton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 My sons hand would bend down at the wrist and will tremmor, Now its both hands, Its not a seizure...Its a treommor > > > I don't recall seeing tremor listed as a symptom of acrodynia, and > > it > > > is less common in organic mercury tox as compared to inorganic or > > > elemental mercury tox. I don't find this terribly inconsistent, > > > children and adults often show fairly different signs of the same > > > problem - they are wired rather differently. If you really want > > > something to delve into, find out if acrodynia victims had tremor > > at > > > the time, or whether the grown ups who had acrodynia have it now. > > > > > > The cure of so many children on proper chelation is pretty > > conclusive > > > proof that they were mercury poisoned so this is more a curiosity > > than > > > a decisionmaking issue. > > > > > > Andy . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . > > > > > > > Andy, I see where you will be speaking at the Autism-One > > conference in > > > > May. If at all possible I will be attending your presentation. > > If you > > > > see me in the back of the audience waving my hand, it will be > > because > > > > I have a question that I would like for you to answer. And I > > would > > > > like to give you an opportunity to think about your answer > > before the > > > > question is asked. > > > > Those that know me from the internet know that I study from > > Medline, > > > > and have done so for over a decade. I entered into a study of > > autistic > > > > symptoms just about the day after my son presented with his first > > > > symptoms, and have relentlessly pursued that study for over 12 > > years, > > > > the age of my son with autism. > > > > About six or seven years ago, I studied mercury, I thought > > then that > > > > there might be a possibility that mercury could cause autism. > > > > However, there was just this one thing in the way. Autism is > > defined > > > > solely by a set of symptoms. Infantile spasms has been mentioned > > > > in approximately 30 or more times in articles about autism. It is > > > > a symptom that I can well recognize because it was a symptom that > > > > my child had at an early age. My father has Parkinson's disease, > > > > so in a clinical sense I know what that symptom looks like. > > > > What is undeniable is tremor is a prominent feature of mercury > > > > poisoning, there are over 100 articles that describe tremor in > > mercury > > > > poisoning even in infants, but there is no mention of tremor as a > > > > symptom of autism. There is no mention of infantile spasms in > > > > mercury poisoning. It is actually the reason that I stopped > > reviewing > > > > mercury as a possible contributor to autistic behavior, because > > quite > > > > frankly if the symptoms don't match, you have hit a dead end. > > > > I have read from several autism sites where the symptoms of > > mercury > > > > poisoning are listed along with autistic symptoms. It is > > concerning > > > > that tremor has been left out. Now a square peg can be driven in > > a > > > > round hole, but does it really fit? > > > > Best, Carlton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 My child wasn't dx'd with anything until 12years old after lots of vaccines and boosters. At around that age she had a slight tremor that was noticible in her fingers. She is mostly recovered with chelation and antiviral treatments. Michele > > > > I don't recall seeing tremor listed as a symptom of acrodynia, > and > > > it > > > > is less common in organic mercury tox as compared to inorganic > or > > > > elemental mercury tox. I don't find this terribly > inconsistent, > > > > children and adults often show fairly different signs of the > same > > > > problem - they are wired rather differently. If you really > want > > > > something to delve into, find out if acrodynia victims had > tremor > > > at > > > > the time, or whether the grown ups who had acrodynia have it > now. > > > > > > > > The cure of so many children on proper chelation is pretty > > > conclusive > > > > proof that they were mercury poisoned so this is more a > curiosity > > > than > > > > a decisionmaking issue. > > > > > > > > Andy . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Andy, I see where you will be speaking at the Autism-One > > > conference in > > > > > May. If at all possible I will be attending your > presentation. > > > If you > > > > > see me in the back of the audience waving my hand, it will > be > > > because > > > > > I have a question that I would like for you to answer. And I > > > would > > > > > like to give you an opportunity to think about your answer > > > before the > > > > > question is asked. > > > > > Those that know me from the internet know that I study > from > > > Medline, > > > > > and have done so for over a decade. I entered into a study > of > > > autistic > > > > > symptoms just about the day after my son presented with his > first > > > > > symptoms, and have relentlessly pursued that study for over > 12 > > > years, > > > > > the age of my son with autism. > > > > > About six or seven years ago, I studied mercury, I thought > > > then that > > > > > there might be a possibility that mercury could cause autism. > > > > > However, there was just this one thing in the way. Autism > is > > > defined > > > > > solely by a set of symptoms. Infantile spasms has been > mentioned > > > > > in approximately 30 or more times in articles about autism. > It is > > > > > a symptom that I can well recognize because it was a symptom > that > > > > > my child had at an early age. My father has Parkinson's > disease, > > > > > so in a clinical sense I know what that symptom looks like. > > > > > What is undeniable is tremor is a prominent feature of > mercury > > > > > poisoning, there are over 100 articles that describe tremor > in > > > mercury > > > > > poisoning even in infants, but there is no mention of tremor > as a > > > > > symptom of autism. There is no mention of infantile spasms in > > > > > mercury poisoning. It is actually the reason that I stopped > > > reviewing > > > > > mercury as a possible contributor to autistic behavior, > because > > > quite > > > > > frankly if the symptoms don't match, you have hit a dead end. > > > > > I have read from several autism sites where the symptoms > of > > > mercury > > > > > poisoning are listed along with autistic symptoms. It is > > > concerning > > > > > that tremor has been left out. Now a square peg can be > driven in > > > a > > > > > round hole, but does it really fit? > > > > > Best, Carlton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 I dont know what stemming is. My son doesnt have autism, He has microcephaly, cp, lennox gastaut syndrome(seizure disorder) ADHD and is profundly retarded. with cortical blindness, hes nonverbal. I have been on a support group for lennox gastaut for years and after I found out abot rhogam and the mercury in the rhogam, I got in touch with my friends on my group...One of the mothers who succesfuly sued the pharmecutical companys, Her child died last year at 16 years old, She told me that I should have my sons baby hair tested for mercury, And thats when I found out about his mercury poisoning. I allowed him to have the flu shot last year, He started having tremors a month after. Hes never done that before..and now when I look back over the years it seems a couple of months after he had the flu shot he would have trouble, one way or another. Like I said...I just found all this out about the mercury. I just dont want any other kids to be harmed from mercury in vaccines. Donna > > > I don't recall seeing tremor listed as a symptom of acrodynia, and > > it > > > is less common in organic mercury tox as compared to inorganic or > > > elemental mercury tox. I don't find this terribly inconsistent, > > > children and adults often show fairly different signs of the same > > > problem - they are wired rather differently. If you really want > > > something to delve into, find out if acrodynia victims had tremor > > at > > > the time, or whether the grown ups who had acrodynia have it now. > > > > > > The cure of so many children on proper chelation is pretty > > conclusive > > > proof that they were mercury poisoned so this is more a curiosity > > than > > > a decisionmaking issue. > > > > > > Andy . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . > > > > > > > Andy, I see where you will be speaking at the Autism-One > > conference in > > > > May. If at all possible I will be attending your presentation. > > If you > > > > see me in the back of the audience waving my hand, it will be > > because > > > > I have a question that I would like for you to answer. And I > > would > > > > like to give you an opportunity to think about your answer > > before the > > > > question is asked. > > > > Those that know me from the internet know that I study from > > Medline, > > > > and have done so for over a decade. I entered into a study of > > autistic > > > > symptoms just about the day after my son presented with his first > > > > symptoms, and have relentlessly pursued that study for over 12 > > years, > > > > the age of my son with autism. > > > > About six or seven years ago, I studied mercury, I thought > > then that > > > > there might be a possibility that mercury could cause autism. > > > > However, there was just this one thing in the way. Autism is > > defined > > > > solely by a set of symptoms. Infantile spasms has been mentioned > > > > in approximately 30 or more times in articles about autism. It is > > > > a symptom that I can well recognize because it was a symptom that > > > > my child had at an early age. My father has Parkinson's disease, > > > > so in a clinical sense I know what that symptom looks like. > > > > What is undeniable is tremor is a prominent feature of mercury > > > > poisoning, there are over 100 articles that describe tremor in > > mercury > > > > poisoning even in infants, but there is no mention of tremor as a > > > > symptom of autism. There is no mention of infantile spasms in > > > > mercury poisoning. It is actually the reason that I stopped > > reviewing > > > > mercury as a possible contributor to autistic behavior, because > > quite > > > > frankly if the symptoms don't match, you have hit a dead end. > > > > I have read from several autism sites where the symptoms of > > mercury > > > > poisoning are listed along with autistic symptoms. It is > > concerning > > > > that tremor has been left out. Now a square peg can be driven in > > a > > > > round hole, but does it really fit? > > > > Best, Carlton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 > Kevysmom, Dr.Rice had one opinion about mercury toxicity, > and completely different view of lead poisoning, just > one example of the differences in these two elements. > Best, Carlton > > Lack of effect of methylmercury exposure from birth to adulthood on > information processing speed in the monkey. > Tes, this is pretty much how people seem to be. Lead makes you dumber. Mercury makes you really messed up, crazy, socially impaired, etc., but generally does not impair intelligence that much. One of the problems this creates is there are all these kids of normal intelligence who are pretty messed up socially, cognitively and have assorted learning disabilities, ADD, and sensory problems but who really are not properly placed when put in the only option public schools have - special education, which is for intellectually impaired (retarded) kids who mostly have less of the other issues but major intellectual deficits that the mercury toxic kids don't share. Andy. . . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 > > Kevysmom, Dr.Rice had one opinion about mercury toxicity, > > and completely different view of lead poisoning, just > > one example of the differences in these two elements. > > Best, Carlton > > > > Lack of effect of methylmercury exposure from birth to adulthood on > > information processing speed in the monkey. > > > > Tes, this is pretty much how people seem to be. > > Lead makes you dumber. > > Mercury makes you really messed up, crazy, socially impaired, etc., but > generally does not impair intelligence that much. > > One of the problems this creates is there are all these kids of normal > intelligence who are pretty messed up socially, cognitively and have > assorted learning disabilities, ADD, and sensory problems but who > really are not properly placed when put in the only option public > schools have - special education, which is for intellectually impaired > (retarded) kids who mostly have less of the other issues but major > intellectual deficits that the mercury toxic kids don't share. > > Andy. . . . . . Yes, and when they put these kids of average or better intelligence in the great public special educational programs, instead of trying to bother teaching them they let them sit all day, give them good grades for no work and then let them graduate IF the kids don't bail out first, which most do.. Their way of meeting their state attendance quotas and IDEA... Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 which is for intellectually impaired (retarded) kids who mostly have less of the other issues but major intellectual deficits that the mercury toxic kids don't share. Harm to the nervous systems' of unborn children is the primary concern. Two episodes of mass mercury poisoning bear this out. A number of Japanese children living near Minamata Bay in the 1950s were mentally retarded and had other neurological problems following consumption by pregnant mothers of fish contaminated with high levels of methyl mercury. No one knows exactly how much mercury was consumed by the mothers. But mercury levels in samples of the mothers' hair averaged 41 parts per million (ppm). I think that a lot of these kids " become " mentally retarded from thier seizures. > > Kevysmom, Dr.Rice had one opinion about mercury toxicity, > > and completely different view of lead poisoning, just > > one example of the differences in these two elements. > > Best, Carlton > > > > Lack of effect of methylmercury exposure from birth to adulthood on > > information processing speed in the monkey. > > > > Tes, this is pretty much how people seem to be. > > Lead makes you dumber. > > Mercury makes you really messed up, crazy, socially impaired, etc., but > generally does not impair intelligence that much. > > One of the problems this creates is there are all these kids of normal > intelligence who are pretty messed up socially, cognitively and have > assorted learning disabilities, ADD, and sensory problems but who > really are not properly placed when put in the only option public > schools have - special education, which is for intellectually impaired > (retarded) kids who mostly have less of the other issues but major > intellectual deficits that the mercury toxic kids don't share. > > Andy. . . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Andy, If that was true, why in the past sixty years or until now (the past three years) has not anyone mentioned even autistic-like symptoms in mercury poisoning? About two weeks ago, I was reading from medline about infant formulas, because they are notorious for causing delays in children. When I came across an article about primates, both groups of primates were separated from their mothers, this probably started the belief that refrigerator mothers cause their kids to become autistic. Well anyway, the infant primates fed regular formula did fine, but the infant primates fed a formula low in protein and high in lactose developed odd behaviors. Even back in 1975, when scientists observe unusual behaviors they tend to call them autistic. Now what you might be interested in is the arsenic milk poisoning incident, because it is a lot like what is happening with autism and vaccines. There the infant formulas were laced with arsenic, and many infants died, and some developed long lasting developmental delays. I read everything I could find on this, not once did they mention that the behaviors were autistic-like, in fact there was no mention of autism. The Japanese company denied any responsibility for the poisoning, so much like the vaccine companies are doing, that you have to read it. I watched the mercury poisoning video of the japanese people back in the 50's. It was what I expected to see involuntary body shaking, tremors the whole bit. You know before mercury came along opioids were what was suppose to be causing autistic symptoms. My husband found a video of opioid addiction, so that I could view it and observe the behaviors of these people, and you know .... that isn't autism either. Read the arsenic milk poisoning incident, you will enjoy it. http://www.unu.edu/unupress/unupbooks/uu35ie/uu35ie09.htm Best, Carlton > > Kevysmom, Dr.Rice had one opinion about mercury toxicity, > > and completely different view of lead poisoning, just > > one example of the differences in these two elements. > > Best, Carlton > > > > Lack of effect of methylmercury exposure from birth to adulthood on > > information processing speed in the monkey. > > > > Tes, this is pretty much how people seem to be. > > Lead makes you dumber. > > Mercury makes you really messed up, crazy, socially impaired, etc., but > generally does not impair intelligence that much. > > One of the problems this creates is there are all these kids of normal > intelligence who are pretty messed up socially, cognitively and have > assorted learning disabilities, ADD, and sensory problems but who > really are not properly placed when put in the only option public > schools have - special education, which is for intellectually impaired > (retarded) kids who mostly have less of the other issues but major > intellectual deficits that the mercury toxic kids don't share. > > Andy. . . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 My son is retarded and has seizures and cp and microcephaly ALL the classic signs of mercury poisoning, My sons baby hair at 6 months old was 13.78 Thats very high for a 15 lb baby. It has been proven that mercury kills cells including brain cells when you lose your brain cells you become mentally retarded. I dont know what causes autism, I really dont know anything about autism...Its hard enough for me to keep myself up to date on my sons problems. But if my son has all the " classic " signs of mercury poison and has a very high level in his hair...What can be the only conclusion. I also had two injections of rhogam (which contain mercury) another one while I was 6 months pregnant another one after I gave birth, Then breast fed him...Then he had all his vaccines ON TIME! Have you ever seen a picture of a fetal brain at 6 months? Thats a critical time for fetal development, there is a window in which mercury is more toxic to a fetus than at other times...6 months is a critical window. I am discouraged by your statement Andy. And for you who have autistic children, Im sorry that im ignorant on your childs illness, I believe that mercury has damaged your children. Only from what I have read about the rise in autism over the years, chelation is kind of iffy though, chelation gets rid of all toxins so its hard to say if kids get better because of mercury detox...I read some where that autistic children have normal levels of mercury in them. So maybe its something else.. I dont know. My son went through a TEACHH program it was actually designed for autistic kids, But they were trying it on my son. Do autistic children have seizures? There are similaritys to autism and my son, my son has always been nonverbal and autistic children become nonverbal, some autistic children are severely retarded and have cortical blindeness like my son. > > > Kevysmom, Dr.Rice had one opinion about mercury toxicity, > > > and completely different view of lead poisoning, just > > > one example of the differences in these two elements. > > > Best, Carlton > > > > > > Lack of effect of methylmercury exposure from birth to > adulthood on > > > information processing speed in the monkey. > > > > > > > Tes, this is pretty much how people seem to be. > > > > Lead makes you dumber. > > > > Mercury makes you really messed up, crazy, socially impaired, etc., but > > generally does not impair intelligence that much. > > > > One of the problems this creates is there are all these kids of normal > > intelligence who are pretty messed up socially, cognitively and have > > assorted learning disabilities, ADD, and sensory problems but who > > really are not properly placed when put in the only option public > > schools have - special education, which is for intellectually impaired > > (retarded) kids who mostly have less of the other issues but major > > intellectual deficits that the mercury toxic kids don't share. > > > > Andy. . . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Try doing a search for Bruce Lanphear's research on the effects of low levels of lead exposure in human babies: he wants the paediatric reference level for lead to be cut from 10 mcg/dL to 5mcg d/L. I can't remember the exact figures, but I think that the damage is something in the region of 7.5 points knocked off IQ with a toddler lead level of 10. Heaven knows what such an exposure does to a foetus! Margaret (UK) > > > I don't recall seeing tremor listed as a symptom of acrodynia, and > > it > > > is less common in organic mercury tox as compared to inorganic or > > > elemental mercury tox. I don't find this terribly inconsistent, > > > children and adults often show fairly different signs of the same > > > problem - they are wired rather differently. If you really want > > > something to delve into, find out if acrodynia victims had tremor > > at > > > the time, or whether the grown ups who had acrodynia have it now. > > > > > > The cure of so many children on proper chelation is pretty > > conclusive > > > proof that they were mercury poisoned so this is more a curiosity > > than > > > a decisionmaking issue. > > > > > > Andy . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . > > > > > > > Andy, I see where you will be speaking at the Autism-One > > conference in > > > > May. If at all possible I will be attending your presentation. > > If you > > > > see me in the back of the audience waving my hand, it will be > > because > > > > I have a question that I would like for you to answer. And I > > would > > > > like to give you an opportunity to think about your answer > > before the > > > > question is asked. > > > > Those that know me from the internet know that I study from > > Medline, > > > > and have done so for over a decade. I entered into a study of > > autistic > > > > symptoms just about the day after my son presented with his first > > > > symptoms, and have relentlessly pursued that study for over 12 > > years, > > > > the age of my son with autism. > > > > About six or seven years ago, I studied mercury, I thought > > then that > > > > there might be a possibility that mercury could cause autism. > > > > However, there was just this one thing in the way. Autism is > > defined > > > > solely by a set of symptoms. Infantile spasms has been mentioned > > > > in approximately 30 or more times in articles about autism. It is > > > > a symptom that I can well recognize because it was a symptom that > > > > my child had at an early age. My father has Parkinson's disease, > > > > so in a clinical sense I know what that symptom looks like. > > > > What is undeniable is tremor is a prominent feature of mercury > > > > poisoning, there are over 100 articles that describe tremor in > > mercury > > > > poisoning even in infants, but there is no mention of tremor as a > > > > symptom of autism. There is no mention of infantile spasms in > > > > mercury poisoning. It is actually the reason that I stopped > > reviewing > > > > mercury as a possible contributor to autistic behavior, because > > quite > > > > frankly if the symptoms don't match, you have hit a dead end. > > > > I have read from several autism sites where the symptoms of > > mercury > > > > poisoning are listed along with autistic symptoms. It is > > concerning > > > > that tremor has been left out. Now a square peg can be driven in > > a > > > > round hole, but does it really fit? > > > > Best, Carlton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 his mercury level was MUCH MUCH higher than lead, Since I was poisoned during pregnacy with thimerosal, also mercury is a neurotoxin and it kills brain cells. Remeber mercury is the second most toxic metal known to man, My son doesnt have symptoms of lead poisoning he has mercury poisoning. Just so you know, Mentally retarded means, that you mentally behind.. Is your child behind? then hes mentally retarded! > > > > I don't recall seeing tremor listed as a symptom of acrodynia, > and > > > it > > > > is less common in organic mercury tox as compared to inorganic > or > > > > elemental mercury tox. I don't find this terribly > inconsistent, > > > > children and adults often show fairly different signs of the > same > > > > problem - they are wired rather differently. If you really > want > > > > something to delve into, find out if acrodynia victims had > tremor > > > at > > > > the time, or whether the grown ups who had acrodynia have it > now. > > > > > > > > The cure of so many children on proper chelation is pretty > > > conclusive > > > > proof that they were mercury poisoned so this is more a > curiosity > > > than > > > > a decisionmaking issue. > > > > > > > > Andy . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Andy, I see where you will be speaking at the Autism-One > > > conference in > > > > > May. If at all possible I will be attending your > presentation. > > > If you > > > > > see me in the back of the audience waving my hand, it will > be > > > because > > > > > I have a question that I would like for you to answer. And I > > > would > > > > > like to give you an opportunity to think about your answer > > > before the > > > > > question is asked. > > > > > Those that know me from the internet know that I study > from > > > Medline, > > > > > and have done so for over a decade. I entered into a study > of > > > autistic > > > > > symptoms just about the day after my son presented with his > first > > > > > symptoms, and have relentlessly pursued that study for over > 12 > > > years, > > > > > the age of my son with autism. > > > > > About six or seven years ago, I studied mercury, I thought > > > then that > > > > > there might be a possibility that mercury could cause autism. > > > > > However, there was just this one thing in the way. Autism > is > > > defined > > > > > solely by a set of symptoms. Infantile spasms has been > mentioned > > > > > in approximately 30 or more times in articles about autism. > It is > > > > > a symptom that I can well recognize because it was a symptom > that > > > > > my child had at an early age. My father has Parkinson's > disease, > > > > > so in a clinical sense I know what that symptom looks like. > > > > > What is undeniable is tremor is a prominent feature of > mercury > > > > > poisoning, there are over 100 articles that describe tremor > in > > > mercury > > > > > poisoning even in infants, but there is no mention of tremor > as a > > > > > symptom of autism. There is no mention of infantile spasms in > > > > > mercury poisoning. It is actually the reason that I stopped > > > reviewing > > > > > mercury as a possible contributor to autistic behavior, > because > > > quite > > > > > frankly if the symptoms don't match, you have hit a dead end. > > > > > I have read from several autism sites where the symptoms > of > > > mercury > > > > > poisoning are listed along with autistic symptoms. It is > > > concerning > > > > > that tremor has been left out. Now a square peg can be > driven in > > > a > > > > > round hole, but does it really fit? > > > > > Best, Carlton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 > I am discouraged by your statement Andy. And for you who have > autistic children, Im sorry that im ignorant on your childs illness, > I believe that mercury has damaged your children. Only from what I > have read about the rise in autism over the years, chelation is kind > of iffy though, chelation gets rid of all toxins so its hard to say > if kids get better because of mercury detox... I can tell you that as a direct result of ALA chelation, my kids no longer have any problems eating any foods, and their yeast issues were also entirely gone [until I started addressing viruses and viral die off does cause yeast again]. > Do autistic children have seizures? Some do, mine did not. There are similaritys to autism > and my son, my son has always been nonverbal and autistic children > become nonverbal, My son was always non-verbal until he was about 4 years old. He has a Kanner autism diagnosis, meaning he was " autistic from birth " . He did not regress, he just failed to develop. At age 3-1/2 he was evaluated at developmental level 0-3 months. Now he is age 8 and developmentally about age 3. He is no longer autistic, altho he would still qualify as language delayed. My son was autistic from HepB vax at birth. Nasty vax. I am sorry about your son. But it sounds like he has a mother who loves him. Even if my son never reaches age-appropriate levels, he knows he is loved, and that is most important to me. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 My son was poisoned during pregnacy from my rhogam, the vaccines added insult to injury. Mercury is toxic to the brain, especially a fetal brain. Mercury can target certain areas of the brain, and it seems that it really targets speech. > > I am discouraged by your statement Andy. And for you who have > > autistic children, Im sorry that im ignorant on your childs illness, > > I believe that mercury has damaged your children. Only from what I > > have read about the rise in autism over the years, chelation is kind > > of iffy though, chelation gets rid of all toxins so its hard to say > > if kids get better because of mercury detox... > > > I can tell you that as a direct result of ALA chelation, my kids no > longer have any problems eating any foods, and their yeast issues were > also entirely gone [until I started addressing viruses and viral die > off does cause yeast again]. > > > > Do autistic children have seizures? > > > Some do, mine did not. > > > There are similaritys to autism > > and my son, my son has always been nonverbal and autistic children > > become nonverbal, > > > My son was always non-verbal until he was about 4 years old. He has a > Kanner autism diagnosis, meaning he was " autistic from birth " . He did > not regress, he just failed to develop. At age 3-1/2 he was evaluated > at developmental level 0-3 months. Now he is age 8 and > developmentally about age 3. He is no longer autistic, altho he would > still qualify as language delayed. > > My son was autistic from HepB vax at birth. Nasty vax. > > I am sorry about your son. But it sounds like he has a mother who > loves him. Even if my son never reaches age-appropriate levels, he > knows he is loved, and that is most important to me. > > Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 > My son was poisoned during pregnacy from my rhogam, the vaccines > added insult to injury. Mercury is toxic to the brain, especially a > fetal brain. It is scary to me might have happened to my son if I had needed Rhogam. But for him, his issues started with HepB vax at 2 days old. > Mercury can target certain areas of the brain, and it seems that it > really targets speech. Yes, chelation did help with speech issues for my son. But anti-viral has also helped. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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