Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Man, this story is becoming so common these days. Doesn't anyone know how to actually go out and look for a job anymore? EMT is a common labour job. They are a dime a dozen. I can't imagine that any employer is spending any time perusing resumes online for them when they all have half a dozen people a day coming in to fill out an application. Unfortunately, you have almost no options in Tarrant County. What little that is not under MedStar (who never seems to be hiring EMTs) is controlled by fire departments. Arlington unfortunately uses EMTs these days, but take a number. Your best bet is going to be in Dallas, but it's not likely to be an EMS job, just an ambulance driver job. Good luck! Rob On Monday, June 8, 2009 20:16, " chnorman4 " chnorman4@...> said: > Hi to All, > > My name is Leigh and I recently graduated from EMT school at the top of my class. > I have been having trouble getting a response after submitting my resume online. I > am in need of a job and have such a passion for this line of work. I was hoping > and praying someone could help me out in the Tarrant County area. Please let me > know and I will be glad to forward you my resume. Thanks again and God Bless! > > Leigh Hatch > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Man, this story is becoming so common these days. Doesn't anyone know how to actually go out and look for a job anymore? EMT is a common labour job. They are a dime a dozen. I can't imagine that any employer is spending any time perusing resumes online for them when they all have half a dozen people a day coming in to fill out an application. Unfortunately, you have almost no options in Tarrant County. What little that is not under MedStar (who never seems to be hiring EMTs) is controlled by fire departments. Arlington unfortunately uses EMTs these days, but take a number. Your best bet is going to be in Dallas, but it's not likely to be an EMS job, just an ambulance driver job. Good luck! Rob On Monday, June 8, 2009 20:16, " chnorman4 " chnorman4@...> said: > Hi to All, > > My name is Leigh and I recently graduated from EMT school at the top of my class. > I have been having trouble getting a response after submitting my resume online. I > am in need of a job and have such a passion for this line of work. I was hoping > and praying someone could help me out in the Tarrant County area. Please let me > know and I will be glad to forward you my resume. Thanks again and God Bless! > > Leigh Hatch > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Man, this story is becoming so common these days. Doesn't anyone know how to actually go out and look for a job anymore? EMT is a common labour job. They are a dime a dozen. I can't imagine that any employer is spending any time perusing resumes online for them when they all have half a dozen people a day coming in to fill out an application. Unfortunately, you have almost no options in Tarrant County. What little that is not under MedStar (who never seems to be hiring EMTs) is controlled by fire departments. Arlington unfortunately uses EMTs these days, but take a number. Your best bet is going to be in Dallas, but it's not likely to be an EMS job, just an ambulance driver job. Good luck! Rob On Monday, June 8, 2009 20:16, " chnorman4 " chnorman4@...> said: > Hi to All, > > My name is Leigh and I recently graduated from EMT school at the top of my class. > I have been having trouble getting a response after submitting my resume online. I > am in need of a job and have such a passion for this line of work. I was hoping > and praying someone could help me out in the Tarrant County area. Please let me > know and I will be glad to forward you my resume. Thanks again and God Bless! > > Leigh Hatch > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Have you tried AMR-Dallas??? ________________________________ From: texasems-l [texasems-l ] On Behalf Of chnorman4 [chnorman4@...] Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 8:16 PM To: texasems-l Subject: EMT Job in Metroplex Hi to All, My name is Leigh and I recently graduated from EMT school at the top of my class. I have been having trouble getting a response after submitting my resume online. I am in need of a job and have such a passion for this line of work. I was hoping and praying someone could help me out in the Tarrant County area. Please let me know and I will be glad to forward you my resume. Thanks again and God Bless! Leigh Hatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Have you tried AMR-Dallas??? ________________________________ From: texasems-l [texasems-l ] On Behalf Of chnorman4 [chnorman4@...] Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 8:16 PM To: texasems-l Subject: EMT Job in Metroplex Hi to All, My name is Leigh and I recently graduated from EMT school at the top of my class. I have been having trouble getting a response after submitting my resume online. I am in need of a job and have such a passion for this line of work. I was hoping and praying someone could help me out in the Tarrant County area. Please let me know and I will be glad to forward you my resume. Thanks again and God Bless! Leigh Hatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Leigh: You may have seen my reply previously posted. We staff a part-time EMS position every day from 0900-1900. We hire on EMT's as the need arises. Thanks. Lt. Steve Lemming, A.A.S., L.P. C-Shift EMS Administration Officer Azle, Texas Fire Department This e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual (s) to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of The City of Azle or its policies. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please phone Steve Lemming (817)444-7108. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. For more information on The City of Azle, visit our web site at: http://www.cityofazle.org http://www.cityofazle.org> From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of chnorman4 Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 8:16 PM To: texasems-l Subject: EMT Job in Metroplex Hi to All, My name is Leigh and I recently graduated from EMT school at the top of my class. I have been having trouble getting a response after submitting my resume online. I am in need of a job and have such a passion for this line of work. I was hoping and praying someone could help me out in the Tarrant County area. Please let me know and I will be glad to forward you my resume. Thanks again and God Bless! Leigh Hatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Leigh: You may have seen my reply previously posted. We staff a part-time EMS position every day from 0900-1900. We hire on EMT's as the need arises. Thanks. Lt. Steve Lemming, A.A.S., L.P. C-Shift EMS Administration Officer Azle, Texas Fire Department This e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual (s) to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of The City of Azle or its policies. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please phone Steve Lemming (817)444-7108. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. For more information on The City of Azle, visit our web site at: http://www.cityofazle.org http://www.cityofazle.org> From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of chnorman4 Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 8:16 PM To: texasems-l Subject: EMT Job in Metroplex Hi to All, My name is Leigh and I recently graduated from EMT school at the top of my class. I have been having trouble getting a response after submitting my resume online. I am in need of a job and have such a passion for this line of work. I was hoping and praying someone could help me out in the Tarrant County area. Please let me know and I will be glad to forward you my resume. Thanks again and God Bless! Leigh Hatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 The disintegration of this thread is the definition of the single largest problem that EMS faces that EMS will likely never change in Generation X, Y, or Z's lifetime. I wish I'd become a CPA. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/FSS Office) (IFWF/SS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. In a message dated 6/11/2009 11:33:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, summedic@... writes: WOW, is this elitist mentality prevalant? I am sorry, I still don't understand the need to seperate our profession into subgroups. By your same line of thinking we should just forget about our past, forget about the rookies, and forget about those same people that will some day be our bosses and more importantly, our equals. Heaven forbide we should accept them until they have their NREMT cert in their pockets. ---------- Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email ------Original Message------ To: texasems-l > Date: Thu, Jun 11, 2009 11:16 AM Subject: Re: EMT Job in Metroplex On Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:41, " McGee " summedic@...> said: > We, especially paramedics, must protect and help ALL > members of our profession, not just a select few. I reject the theory that they are in my profession. But regardless, why would that be particularly imperative to us? How does " protecting " EMTs benefit me or my profession, when it is the flooding of the market with 120 hour wonders that cheapens my profession in the first place? I don't believe I have ever seen the Registered Nurses fighting battles for the Nurses Aides as a profession, and they seem to do okay. EMTs outnumber Paramedics by a more than three-to-one ratio. I think they are capable of defending themselves. Rob ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links **************Dell Deals: Don’t miss huge summer savings on popular laptops starting at $449. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221770187x1201425153/aol?redir=http:%2\ F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215566131%3B37864407%3B i) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 The ones that are young are the ones that LEAVE EMS. My Son wants to be a paramedic maybe a Firefighter even trying to get financial aid for college now a 2-year degree he doesn't' think he can do a 4 year degree in anything he like me has no patience. He has not asked for my opinion of getting into the filed and I hope he doesn't as I am conflicted on my potential answer. Understand I have wanted to be JUST what I am since I was 7 in 1972. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/FSS Office) (IFWF/SS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. In a message dated 6/11/2009 11:49:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time, tgseeber@... writes: That's because we eat our own young. Thom Seeber, CCEMT-P Re: EMT Job in Metroplex On Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:41, " McGee " summedic@...> said: > We, especially paramedics, must protect and help ALL > members of our profession, not just a select few. I reject the theory that they are in my profession. But regardless, why would that be particularly imperative to us? How does " protecting " EMTs benefit me or my profession, when it is the flooding of the market with 120 hour wonders that cheapens my profession in the first place? I don't believe I have ever seen the Registered Nurses fighting battles for the Nurses Aides as a profession, and they seem to do okay. EMTs outnumber Paramedics by a more than three-to-one ratio. I think they are capable of defending themselves. Rob ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links **************Dell Deals: Don’t miss huge summer savings on popular laptops starting at $449. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221770187x1201425153/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215566131%3B37864407%3B i) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.61/2167 - Release Date: 06/11/09 05:53:00 ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links **************Dell Deals: Don’t miss huge summer savings on popular laptops starting at $449. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221770187x1201425153/aol?redir=http:%2\ F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215566131%3B37864407%3B i) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 On Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:41, " McGee " summedic@...> said: > We, especially paramedics, must protect and help ALL > members of our profession, not just a select few. I reject the theory that they are in my profession. But regardless, why would that be particularly imperative to us? How does " protecting " EMTs benefit me or my profession, when it is the flooding of the market with 120 hour wonders that cheapens my profession in the first place? I don't believe I have ever seen the Registered Nurses fighting battles for the Nurses Aides as a profession, and they seem to do okay. EMTs outnumber Paramedics by a more than three-to-one ratio. I think they are capable of defending themselves. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 when it is the flooding of the market with 120 hour wonders that cheapens my profession in the first place? " I think when you have 20,000 plus volunteers that cheapens your profession. " " If that many people will do a profession for free it's doesn't seem very valuable " " I thinnk you also cheapen the profession using the term " 120 hour wonders " . These folks are my 120 hr HEROS! I don't believe I have ever seen the Registered Nurses fighting battles for the Nurses Aides as a profession, and they seem to do okay. EMTs outnumber Paramedics by a more than three-to-one ratio. I think they are capable of defending themselves. I don't know anyone fighting a battle for or to be a Nurses Aide Anyone on here fighting to be a Nurses Aide? Ron H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 That's because we eat our own young. Thom Seeber, CCEMT-P Re: EMT Job in Metroplex On Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:41, " McGee " summedic@...> said: > We, especially paramedics, must protect and help ALL > members of our profession, not just a select few. I reject the theory that they are in my profession. But regardless, why would that be particularly imperative to us? How does " protecting " EMTs benefit me or my profession, when it is the flooding of the market with 120 hour wonders that cheapens my profession in the first place? I don't believe I have ever seen the Registered Nurses fighting battles for the Nurses Aides as a profession, and they seem to do okay. EMTs outnumber Paramedics by a more than three-to-one ratio. I think they are capable of defending themselves. Rob ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links **************Dell Deals: Don’t miss huge summer savings on popular laptops starting at $449. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221770187x1201425153/aol?redir=http:%2\ F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215566131%3B37864407%3B i) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 I HATE IT WHEN:                       ANYONE separates the the different CERTS. It's all about TEAMWORK!  AND--- WE HAVE ALL STARTED FROM THE BEGINNING! LET WE who have the experience HELP THOSE who are starting out!  Just my 2 cents!     Subject: Re: EMT Job in Metroplex To: texasems-l Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 11:42 AM The disintegration of this thread is the definition of the single largest problem that EMS faces that EMS will likely never change in Generation X, Y, or Z's lifetime. I wish I'd become a CPA. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Author/Journalis t/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) com (Cell Phone) (IFW/FSS Office) (IFWF/SS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. In a message dated 6/11/2009 11:33:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, summedic (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writes: WOW, is this elitist mentality prevalant? I am sorry, I still don't understand the need to seperate our profession into subgroups. By your same line of thinking we should just forget about our past, forget about the rookies, and forget about those same people that will some day be our bosses and more importantly, our equals. Heaven forbide we should accept them until they have their NREMT cert in their pockets. ---------- Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email - Re: EMT Job in Metroplex On Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:41, " McGee " said: > We, especially paramedics, must protect and help ALL > members of our profession, not just a select few. I reject the theory that they are in my profession. But regardless, why would that be particularly imperative to us? How does " protecting " EMTs benefit me or my profession, when it is the flooding of the market with 120 hour wonders that cheapens my profession in the first place? I don't believe I have ever seen the Registered Nurses fighting battles for the Nurses Aides as a profession, and they seem to do okay. EMTs outnumber Paramedics by a more than three-to-one ratio. I think they are capable of defending themselves. Rob ------------ --------- --------- ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 I, for one, think the monikers ALS and BLS are absurd. The National Scope of Practice made EMT-Intermediates ³Advanced Emergency Medical Technicians². Perhaps we should call everybody paramedics and not worry the public with skills levels a and such. Nobody knows what level of fire certification a firefighter has‹they are a firefighter. Perhaps Acadian Ambulance is onto something when they champion calling every EMS provider a ³medic². Don¹t know, but doctors outgrew the DO/MD thing and nurses have outgrown the 2-year RN/4-year RN/LVN/LPN thing. Maybe EMS can as well... > > > > > > I HATE IT WHEN: >  >                      ANYONE separates the the different CERTS. It's all about > TEAMWORK! >  > AND--- WE HAVE ALL STARTED FROM THE BEGINNING! LET WE who have the experience > HELP THOSE who are starting out! >  > Just my 2 cents! >  >  >  >  > > > > From: lnmolino@... lnmolino@... > > > Subject: Re: EMT Job in Metroplex > To: texasems-l > Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 11:42 AM > > The disintegration of this thread is the definition of the single largest > problem that EMS faces that EMS will likely never change in Generation X, Y, > or Z's lifetime. > > I wish I'd become a CPA. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ EMSI > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Author/Journalis t/Fire Protection Consultant > > LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) com > > (Cell Phone) > (IFW/FSS Office) > (IFWF/SS Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and > the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with > unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only > for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential > materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public > domain by the original author. > > In a message dated 6/11/2009 11:33:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > summedic (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writes: > > WOW, is this elitist mentality prevalant? I am sorry, I still don't > understand the need to seperate our profession into subgroups. By your same > line of thinking we should just forget about our past, forget about the > rookies, and forget about those same people that will some day be our bosses > and > more importantly, our equals. Heaven forbide we should accept them until > they have their NREMT cert in their pockets. > > ---------- > Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email > > - Re: EMT Job in Metroplex > > On Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:41, " McGee " said: > >> > We, especially paramedics, must protect and help ALL >> > members of our profession, not just a select few. > > I reject the theory that they are in my profession. But regardless, why > would that be particularly imperative to us? How does " protecting " EMTs > benefit me or my profession, when it is the flooding of the market with 120 > hour wonders that cheapens my profession in the first place? I don't believe > I have ever seen the Registered Nurses fighting battles for the Nurses > Aides as a profession, and they seem to do okay. EMTs outnumber Paramedics by > a more than three-to-one ratio. I think they are capable of defending > themselves. > > Rob > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 I, for one, think the monikers ALS and BLS are absurd. The National Scope of Practice made EMT-Intermediates ³Advanced Emergency Medical Technicians². Perhaps we should call everybody paramedics and not worry the public with skills levels a and such. Nobody knows what level of fire certification a firefighter has‹they are a firefighter. Perhaps Acadian Ambulance is onto something when they champion calling every EMS provider a ³medic². Don¹t know, but doctors outgrew the DO/MD thing and nurses have outgrown the 2-year RN/4-year RN/LVN/LPN thing. Maybe EMS can as well... > > > > > > I HATE IT WHEN: >  >                      ANYONE separates the the different CERTS. It's all about > TEAMWORK! >  > AND--- WE HAVE ALL STARTED FROM THE BEGINNING! LET WE who have the experience > HELP THOSE who are starting out! >  > Just my 2 cents! >  >  >  >  > > > > From: lnmolino@... lnmolino@... > > > Subject: Re: EMT Job in Metroplex > To: texasems-l > Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 11:42 AM > > The disintegration of this thread is the definition of the single largest > problem that EMS faces that EMS will likely never change in Generation X, Y, > or Z's lifetime. > > I wish I'd become a CPA. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ EMSI > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Author/Journalis t/Fire Protection Consultant > > LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) com > > (Cell Phone) > (IFW/FSS Office) > (IFWF/SS Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and > the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with > unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only > for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential > materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public > domain by the original author. > > In a message dated 6/11/2009 11:33:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > summedic (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writes: > > WOW, is this elitist mentality prevalant? I am sorry, I still don't > understand the need to seperate our profession into subgroups. By your same > line of thinking we should just forget about our past, forget about the > rookies, and forget about those same people that will some day be our bosses > and > more importantly, our equals. Heaven forbide we should accept them until > they have their NREMT cert in their pockets. > > ---------- > Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email > > - Re: EMT Job in Metroplex > > On Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:41, " McGee " said: > >> > We, especially paramedics, must protect and help ALL >> > members of our profession, not just a select few. > > I reject the theory that they are in my profession. But regardless, why > would that be particularly imperative to us? How does " protecting " EMTs > benefit me or my profession, when it is the flooding of the market with 120 > hour wonders that cheapens my profession in the first place? I don't believe > I have ever seen the Registered Nurses fighting battles for the Nurses > Aides as a profession, and they seem to do okay. EMTs outnumber Paramedics by > a more than three-to-one ratio. I think they are capable of defending > themselves. > > Rob > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 AMEN... ________________________________ To: texasems-l Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:04:20 PM Subject: Re: EMT Job in Metroplex I, for one, think the monikers ALS and BLS are absurd. The National Scope of Practice made EMT-Intermediates ³Advanced Emergency Medical Technicians². Perhaps we should call everybody paramedics and not worry the public with skills levels a and such. Nobody knows what level of fire certification a firefighter has‹they are a firefighter. Perhaps Acadian Ambulance is onto something when they champion calling every EMS provider a ³medic². Don¹t know, but doctors outgrew the DO/MD thing and nurses have outgrown the 2-year RN/4-year RN/LVN/LPN thing. Maybe EMS can as well... > > > > > > I HATE IT WHEN: > > ANYONE separates the the different CERTS. It's all about > TEAMWORK! > > AND--- WE HAVE ALL STARTED FROM THE BEGINNING! LET WE who have the experience > HELP THOSE who are starting out! > > Just my 2 cents! > > > > > > > > From: lnmolino (AT) aol (DOT) com > > Subject: Re: EMT Job in Metroplex > To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com > Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 11:42 AM > > The disintegration of this thread is the definition of the single largest > problem that EMS faces that EMS will likely never change in Generation X, Y, > or Z's lifetime. > > I wish I'd become a CPA. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ EMSI > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Author/Journalis t/Fire Protection Consultant > > LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) com > > (Cell Phone) > (IFW/FSS Office) > (IFWF/SS Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and > the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with > unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only > for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential > materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public > domain by the original author. > > In a message dated 6/11/2009 11:33:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > summedic (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writes: > > WOW, is this elitist mentality prevalant? I am sorry, I still don't > understand the need to seperate our profession into subgroups. By your same > line of thinking we should just forget about our past, forget about the > rookies, and forget about those same people that will some day be our bosses > and > more importantly, our equals. Heaven forbide we should accept them until > they have their NREMT cert in their pockets. > > ---------- > Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email > > - Re: EMT Job in Metroplex > > On Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:41, " McGee " said: > >> > We, especially paramedics, must protect and help ALL >> > members of our profession, not just a select few. > > I reject the theory that they are in my profession. But regardless, why > would that be particularly imperative to us? How does " protecting " EMTs > benefit me or my profession, when it is the flooding of the market with 120 > hour wonders that cheapens my profession in the first place? I don't believe > I have ever seen the Registered Nurses fighting battles for the Nurses > Aides as a profession, and they seem to do okay. EMTs outnumber Paramedics by > a more than three-to-one ratio. I think they are capable of defending > themselves. > > Rob > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 AMEN... ________________________________ To: texasems-l Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:04:20 PM Subject: Re: EMT Job in Metroplex I, for one, think the monikers ALS and BLS are absurd. The National Scope of Practice made EMT-Intermediates ³Advanced Emergency Medical Technicians². Perhaps we should call everybody paramedics and not worry the public with skills levels a and such. Nobody knows what level of fire certification a firefighter has‹they are a firefighter. Perhaps Acadian Ambulance is onto something when they champion calling every EMS provider a ³medic². Don¹t know, but doctors outgrew the DO/MD thing and nurses have outgrown the 2-year RN/4-year RN/LVN/LPN thing. Maybe EMS can as well... > > > > > > I HATE IT WHEN: > > ANYONE separates the the different CERTS. It's all about > TEAMWORK! > > AND--- WE HAVE ALL STARTED FROM THE BEGINNING! LET WE who have the experience > HELP THOSE who are starting out! > > Just my 2 cents! > > > > > > > > From: lnmolino (AT) aol (DOT) com > > Subject: Re: EMT Job in Metroplex > To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com > Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 11:42 AM > > The disintegration of this thread is the definition of the single largest > problem that EMS faces that EMS will likely never change in Generation X, Y, > or Z's lifetime. > > I wish I'd become a CPA. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ EMSI > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Author/Journalis t/Fire Protection Consultant > > LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) com > > (Cell Phone) > (IFW/FSS Office) > (IFWF/SS Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and > the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with > unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only > for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential > materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public > domain by the original author. > > In a message dated 6/11/2009 11:33:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > summedic (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writes: > > WOW, is this elitist mentality prevalant? I am sorry, I still don't > understand the need to seperate our profession into subgroups. By your same > line of thinking we should just forget about our past, forget about the > rookies, and forget about those same people that will some day be our bosses > and > more importantly, our equals. Heaven forbide we should accept them until > they have their NREMT cert in their pockets. > > ---------- > Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email > > - Re: EMT Job in Metroplex > > On Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:41, " McGee " said: > >> > We, especially paramedics, must protect and help ALL >> > members of our profession, not just a select few. > > I reject the theory that they are in my profession. But regardless, why > would that be particularly imperative to us? How does " protecting " EMTs > benefit me or my profession, when it is the flooding of the market with 120 > hour wonders that cheapens my profession in the first place? I don't believe > I have ever seen the Registered Nurses fighting battles for the Nurses > Aides as a profession, and they seem to do okay. EMTs outnumber Paramedics by > a more than three-to-one ratio. I think they are capable of defending > themselves. > > Rob > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 On Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:04, " Bledsoe " bbledsoe@...> said: > Don¹t > know, but doctors outgrew the DO/MD thing and nurses have outgrown the > 2-year RN/4-year RN/LVN/LPN thing. Maybe EMS can as well... That seems a bit of a different situation than we have in EMS. Doctors still don't call nurses doctors. Nurses still don't call Nurses Aides nurses. Pharmacists still don't call Pharmacy Techs pharmacists. Why would we be any different than every other medical profession? I maintain that our professional growth depends on us being MORE like other medical professions, not finding yet more ways to do things differently. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 On Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:04, " Bledsoe " bbledsoe@...> said: > Don¹t > know, but doctors outgrew the DO/MD thing and nurses have outgrown the > 2-year RN/4-year RN/LVN/LPN thing. Maybe EMS can as well... That seems a bit of a different situation than we have in EMS. Doctors still don't call nurses doctors. Nurses still don't call Nurses Aides nurses. Pharmacists still don't call Pharmacy Techs pharmacists. Why would we be any different than every other medical profession? I maintain that our professional growth depends on us being MORE like other medical professions, not finding yet more ways to do things differently. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Now you are getting into a more complex issue. Regardless of degree type, physicians and nurses are quite similar in education and skill set. That is not true in EMS. To make the EMS workforce more homogeneous, you will have to ramp up the education and skills set of EMTs, lower the education and skills set of paramedics, or do both (the most likely result). Fire departments are already having issues with current EMS educational requirements because of firefighting, Haz-Mat, Homeland Security and other responsibilities. Interestingly, as pointed out to me this week in Miami, the state of Kansas requires that all paramedics (Mobile Intensive Care Technicians) have to have 2 year EMS degrees. It is thus hard to find a firefighter/paramedic in Kansas. Wearing my textbook author hat, we get pressure to lower the reading level of our paramedic texts (about 11th grade at present) or risk losing sales to competitors with books of an even lower reading level. At the same time, we get (a few) complaints from some programs that our books need to be a higher level (both reading level and technological). The new EMS Instructor Guidelines are a mess and things will not get better there. As long as EMS is so heterogeneous this argument is akin to pissing in the wind. At the most fundamental level, as long as students want to learn ¡°just what I need to pass the test¡± EMS will be doomed to mediocrity. On 6/11/09 12:16 PM, " rob.davis@... " rob.davis@...> wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:04, " Bledsoe " bbledsoe@... > > said: > >> > Don©öt >> > know, but doctors outgrew the DO/MD thing and nurses have outgrown the >> > 2-year RN/4-year RN/LVN/LPN thing. Maybe EMS can as well... > > That seems a bit of a different situation than we have in EMS. Doctors still > don't call nurses doctors. Nurses still don't call Nurses Aides nurses. > Pharmacists still don't call Pharmacy Techs pharmacists. Why would we be any > different than every other medical profession? I maintain that our > professional growth depends on us being MORE like other medical professions, > not finding yet more ways to do things differently. > > Rob > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 I don't think it is hard to find a paramedic/firefighter in Kansas. The problem with Kansas is that the allow reciprocity WITHOUT having a degree. Guess where people are attending paramedic school, outside of the State. This is causing the educational system to get very frustrated. The state will not stop the reciprocity issue since Kansas is not the most attractive state in the country to move to. ________________________________ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Bledsoe Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:33 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: EMT Job in Metroplex Now you are getting into a more complex issue. Regardless of degree type, physicians and nurses are quite similar in education and skill set. That is not true in EMS. To make the EMS workforce more homogeneous, you will have to ramp up the education and skills set of EMTs, lower the education and skills set of paramedics, or do both (the most likely result). Fire departments are already having issues with current EMS educational requirements because of firefighting, Haz-Mat, Homeland Security and other responsibilities. Interestingly, as pointed out to me this week in Miami, the state of Kansas requires that all paramedics (Mobile Intensive Care Technicians) have to have 2 year EMS degrees. It is thus hard to find a firefighter/paramedic in Kansas. Wearing my textbook author hat, we get pressure to lower the reading level of our paramedic texts (about 11th grade at present) or risk losing sales to competitors with books of an even lower reading level. At the same time, we get (a few) complaints from some programs that our books need to be a higher level (both reading level and technological). The new EMS Instructor Guidelines are a mess and things will not get better there. As long as EMS is so heterogeneous this argument is akin to pissing in the wind. At the most fundamental level, as long as students want to learn " just what I need to pass the test " EMS will be doomed to mediocrity. On 6/11/09 12:16 PM, " rob.davis@... " rob.davis@... > wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:04, " Bledsoe " bbledsoe@... > > said: > >> > Don¹t >> > know, but doctors outgrew the DO/MD thing and nurses have outgrown the >> > 2-year RN/4-year RN/LVN/LPN thing. Maybe EMS can as well... > > That seems a bit of a different situation than we have in EMS. Doctors still > don't call nurses doctors. Nurses still don't call Nurses Aides nurses. > Pharmacists still don't call Pharmacy Techs pharmacists. Why would we be any > different than every other medical profession? I maintain that our > professional growth depends on us being MORE like other medical professions, > not finding yet more ways to do things differently. > > Rob > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 I don't think it is hard to find a paramedic/firefighter in Kansas. The problem with Kansas is that the allow reciprocity WITHOUT having a degree. Guess where people are attending paramedic school, outside of the State. This is causing the educational system to get very frustrated. The state will not stop the reciprocity issue since Kansas is not the most attractive state in the country to move to. ________________________________ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Bledsoe Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:33 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: EMT Job in Metroplex Now you are getting into a more complex issue. Regardless of degree type, physicians and nurses are quite similar in education and skill set. That is not true in EMS. To make the EMS workforce more homogeneous, you will have to ramp up the education and skills set of EMTs, lower the education and skills set of paramedics, or do both (the most likely result). Fire departments are already having issues with current EMS educational requirements because of firefighting, Haz-Mat, Homeland Security and other responsibilities. Interestingly, as pointed out to me this week in Miami, the state of Kansas requires that all paramedics (Mobile Intensive Care Technicians) have to have 2 year EMS degrees. It is thus hard to find a firefighter/paramedic in Kansas. Wearing my textbook author hat, we get pressure to lower the reading level of our paramedic texts (about 11th grade at present) or risk losing sales to competitors with books of an even lower reading level. At the same time, we get (a few) complaints from some programs that our books need to be a higher level (both reading level and technological). The new EMS Instructor Guidelines are a mess and things will not get better there. As long as EMS is so heterogeneous this argument is akin to pissing in the wind. At the most fundamental level, as long as students want to learn " just what I need to pass the test " EMS will be doomed to mediocrity. On 6/11/09 12:16 PM, " rob.davis@... " rob.davis@... > wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:04, " Bledsoe " bbledsoe@... > > said: > >> > Don¹t >> > know, but doctors outgrew the DO/MD thing and nurses have outgrown the >> > 2-year RN/4-year RN/LVN/LPN thing. Maybe EMS can as well... > > That seems a bit of a different situation than we have in EMS. Doctors still > don't call nurses doctors. Nurses still don't call Nurses Aides nurses. > Pharmacists still don't call Pharmacy Techs pharmacists. Why would we be any > different than every other medical profession? I maintain that our > professional growth depends on us being MORE like other medical professions, > not finding yet more ways to do things differently. > > Rob > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Rob, I think your argument that the past DO/MD dispute amongst doctors and previous disputes amongst nursing personnel about their differences being different than the one in EMS is flawed. By us all referring to each other as " Medics " or " EMT's " we would be aligning ourselves with the other medical professions. An RN with a BA refers to an RN with a BS as a nurse and vice versa much like they both refer to an LVN as a nurse and she refers to them as nurses. They are all some level of nurse just as we are all some level of EMT. In this type of discussion an ECA would be euivalent to a nurses aide. They both have a very limited scope of care and limited latitude in what they can do and both are usually not put in the same group in the public eye, with the exception of the ECA's that are working on ambulances in rural parts of the state. I would also like to point out to you that " 120 hour wonders " as you refer to them are no different than the Parrotmedics that come out of some programs who can only repeat the suggested treatmetn path for an individual injury but would have no idea how to treat a patient with multiple injuries with treatments that overlap. So you may think that " 120 hour wonders " are ruining the profession but parrotmedics are just as much a nuisance. Respectfully, M. The opinions expressed in this post are my personal opinions only. > On Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:04, " Bledsoe " said: > > > Don¹t > > know, but doctors outgrew the DO/MD thing and nurses have outgrown the > > 2-year RN/4-year RN/LVN/LPN thing. Maybe EMS can as well... > > That seems a bit of a different situation than we have in EMS. Doctors still don't call nurses doctors. Nurses still don't call Nurses Aides nurses. Pharmacists still don't call Pharmacy Techs pharmacists. Why would we be any different than every other medical profession? I maintain that our professional growth depends on us being MORE like other medical professions, not finding yet more ways to do things differently. > > Rob > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Leigh, I am not sure if you are reading this, after all the responses I wouldn't blame you if you left the listserve. Let me first say congratulations on getting your EMT. Unfortunately I cannot point you to a specific job because I have been out of the Metroplex for a few years and don't know the players. You will probably have to start with one of the private companies to get some experience. I would aim for one of the larger companies as there is sometimes room to grow. Despite everything said here, EMS is a good job, and can be a good career if you chose. You will never be rich, but you can always find work. I hope you understand the thread your post started was not what you intended, but it brought up some good discussion points. One way I think we can advance is by giving advice to the new people that come into EMS about how they can better themselves and their profession. I wish the other people on this list would have taken the time to do that for you. I am not the oldest medic in the world, but if you want to e-mail me directly I will give you what I have learned so far. Good Luck Mayfield MS, EMT-P Porter/Littleton/ EMS - QA/QI/Research Department ryan.mayfield@... > > Hi to All, > > My name is Leigh and I recently graduated from EMT school at the top of my class. I have been having trouble getting a response after submitting my resume online. I am in need of a job and have such a passion for this line of work. I was hoping and praying someone could help me out in the Tarrant County area. Please let me know and I will be glad to forward you my resume. Thanks again and God Bless! > > Leigh Hatch > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 try medstar in fort worth  i work there and they are a good company ________________________________ To: " texasems-l " texasems-l > Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 6:42:50 PM Subject: RE: EMT Job in Metroplex Have you tried AMR-Dallas?? ? ____________ _________ _________ __ From: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com [texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of chnorman4 [chnorman4 (AT) gmail (DOT) com] Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 8:16 PM To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com Subject: EMT Job in Metroplex Hi to All, My name is Leigh and I recently graduated from EMT school at the top of my class. I have been having trouble getting a response after submitting my resume online. I am in need of a job and have such a passion for this line of work. I was hoping and praying someone could help me out in the Tarrant County area. Please let me know and I will be glad to forward you my resume. Thanks again and God Bless! Leigh Hatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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