Re: Re: High carb SCD foods

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Sounds great, thanks for the idea! Unfortunately, the link didn't work though...AlyssaMy favorite ice cream recipe is at http://nomorecrohns.com/Documents/VanillaIceCream.pdf. I use dripped half-and-half yogurt, and it's so creamy and good! You get over 300 calories with just a 1/2 a cup.HollyCrohn'sSCD 12/01/08 > >> > I need high carb SCD food suggestions. My doc ad parents are very > > worried about the fact that this is basically and atkins diet, since I > > don't want to lose weight. They will make me go off it if I lose > > weight, so I need high carb SCD food suggestions! I know winter squash > > is good. Also, is cocoa butter good for gaining weight?> > > > THanks!> > Alyssa> >>

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Sounds great, thanks for the idea! Unfortunately, the link didn't work though...AlyssaMy favorite ice cream recipe is at http://nomorecrohns.com/Documents/VanillaIceCream.pdf. I use dripped half-and-half yogurt, and it's so creamy and good! You get over 300 calories with just a 1/2 a cup.HollyCrohn'sSCD 12/01/08 > >> > I need high carb SCD food suggestions. My doc ad parents are very > > worried about the fact that this is basically and atkins diet, since I > > don't want to lose weight. They will make me go off it if I lose > > weight, so I need high carb SCD food suggestions! I know winter squash > > is good. Also, is cocoa butter good for gaining weight?> > > > THanks!> > Alyssa> >>

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Sounds great, thanks for the idea! Unfortunately, the link didn't work though...AlyssaMy favorite ice cream recipe is at http://nomorecrohns.com/Documents/VanillaIceCream.pdf. I use dripped half-and-half yogurt, and it's so creamy and good! You get over 300 calories with just a 1/2 a cup.HollyCrohn'sSCD 12/01/08 > >> > I need high carb SCD food suggestions. My doc ad parents are very > > worried about the fact that this is basically and atkins diet, since I > > don't want to lose weight. They will make me go off it if I lose > > weight, so I need high carb SCD food suggestions! I know winter squash > > is good. Also, is cocoa butter good for gaining weight?> > > > THanks!> > Alyssa> >>

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Once the link goes up on the page, simply remove the final, pesky period (the period after .pdf) and thenrefresh the link and it will work.MaraSounds great, thanks for the idea! Unfortunately, the link didn't work though...AlyssaMy favorite ice cream recipe is at http://nomorecrohns.com/Documents/VanillaIceCream.pdf. I use dripped half-and-half yogurt, and it's so creamy and good! You ge! t over 300 calories with just a 1/2 a cup.

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Once the link goes up on the page, simply remove the final, pesky period (the period after .pdf) and thenrefresh the link and it will work.MaraSounds great, thanks for the idea! Unfortunately, the link didn't work though...AlyssaMy favorite ice cream recipe is at http://nomorecrohns.com/Documents/VanillaIceCream.pdf. I use dripped half-and-half yogurt, and it's so creamy and good! You ge! t over 300 calories with just a 1/2 a cup.

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Once the link goes up on the page, simply remove the final, pesky period (the period after .pdf) and thenrefresh the link and it will work.MaraSounds great, thanks for the idea! Unfortunately, the link didn't work though...AlyssaMy favorite ice cream recipe is at http://nomorecrohns.com/Documents/VanillaIceCream.pdf. I use dripped half-and-half yogurt, and it's so creamy and good! You ge! t over 300 calories with just a 1/2 a cup.

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Gotcha. Thanks!AlyssaOnce the link goes up on the page, simply remove the final, pesky period (the period after .pdf) and thenrefresh the link and it will work.MaraSounds great, thanks for the idea! Unfortunately, the link didn't work though...AlyssaMy favorite ice cream recipe is at http://nomorecrohns.com/Documents/VanillaIceCream.pdf. I use dripped half-and-half yogurt, and it's so creamy and good! You ge! t over 300 calories with just a 1/2 a cup.

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>Are people's tolerance of carbs like so many other things in this diet, some people do well with them and >others don't? Definitely seems like an 'everybody's different' situation. I have'nt had a problem with carbs, and if I don' t eat enough I tend to get lightheaded and loose weight, wheras others on here seems to do well with fewer carbs.Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa

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My take on your question is that it is an individual experience with eating the permitted high-carb foods early on. SCD is about eating specific carbohydrate foods, not low carb or high carb. Some of us find that our digestions just don't tolerate the higher carb permitted foods until a year or two of healing has occurred. And others of us can transition to the advanced or high-carb legals within a month or two of starting SCD.

Then there is the additional issue of dealing with candida/yeast, which demands low to medium carb foods in order to eliminate the overgrowth. Many people with compromised digestive or immune systems, or who need the immuno-suppressant medications to heal their digestions, also have to cope with a candida overgrowth. Which means there are plenty of us who need to watch the carbs in order to get their gut ecology back into balance.

It is all about symptoms and learning what our own digestions are ready for at the various stages of healing.

I have functional upper GI disorders, and a metabolism that doesn't tolerate high-carb foods, just as it doesn't tolerate high-fiber or high-fat foods. So I eat the permitted foods that my digestion copes with best. For me that means low to medium carb, low-fiber, low-fat, bland. Which means I don't make too many of the wonderful SCD recipes. But I still do very well on SCD, especially the longer I've stayed on it. Or rather, my digestion is doing OK; my neuromuscular deterioration continues but that's another story...

Kim M.

SCD 5+ years

Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction & other upper GI stuff 6 years

neurological deterioration 3 years

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When I read BTVC, I don't recall it saying to limit your carbs. But I've seen several people here say that it's best to. It kind of confuses me. Are people's tolerance of carbs like so many other things in this diet, some people do well with them and others don't? Or is it a universal thing? Did Elaine have anything to say about how many carbs we should eat?HollyCrohn'sSCD 12/01/08

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At 01:36 AM 6/4/2009, you wrote:

When I read BTVC, I don't recall

it saying to limit your carbs. But I've seen several people here say that

it's best to. It kind of confuses me. Are people's tolerance of carbs

like so many other things in this diet, some people do well with them and

others don't? Or is it a universal thing? Did Elaine have anything to say

about how many carbs we should eat?

Elaine never specified how many carbs one should eat.

She did specify that we weren't aiming to do a ketogenic diet. (I can

tell you, from reading posts from a mom whose daughter was on a ketogenic

diet for seizure control before they determined that SCD worked better

for seizure control) that it is incredibly difficult to have a balanced

ketogenic diet.)

Recent governmental guidelines suggest that about half our calories ought

to come from carbs... but these guidelines come from the same folks who

tell us that healthy fats are bad. Here's an article on this viewpoint:

http://nutrition.about.com/od/askyournutritionist/f/howmanycarbs.htm

This article claims that someone eating 2000 calories a day should

have around 250 grams of carbs.

On the other hand, based on how I feel, I do best on no more than 60-80

grams.

For those who may have done research on diabetes, you'll find that people

who have blood glucose issues were originally placed on a diet with

virtually no carbs. This is because diabetes is a disease of the

carbohydrate metabolism. Why eat what you can't metabolize? I have a

friend who has been diabetic for more than 50 years. When he was first

diagnosed, he wasn't allowed any bread, pasta, rice, or sugar. Funnily

enough, his diet was quite a bit like a low carb SCD.

Tolerance of carb amounts can be an individual thing. For people who are

also battling yeast and candida, lower carb is generally better. But it's

not a requirement of SCD.

When I first started SCD, the " in " breakfast on the lists was a

fruit smoothie -- two cups of fruit, a cup of full fat yogurt, some

honey, some vanilla. Elaine said that if one tolerated it, that was

fine.

I, on the other hand, did best on a couple of soft boiled or poached

eggs, some bacon or prosciutto, and some orange juice. And that, too, was

fine with Elaine.

Basically, you eat legal foods which you tolerate. It's that

simple.

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Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 01:36 AM 6/4/2009, you wrote:

When I read BTVC, I don't recall

it saying to limit your carbs. But I've seen several people here say that

it's best to. It kind of confuses me. Are people's tolerance of carbs

like so many other things in this diet, some people do well with them and

others don't? Or is it a universal thing? Did Elaine have anything to say

about how many carbs we should eat?

Elaine never specified how many carbs one should eat.

She did specify that we weren't aiming to do a ketogenic diet. (I can

tell you, from reading posts from a mom whose daughter was on a ketogenic

diet for seizure control before they determined that SCD worked better

for seizure control) that it is incredibly difficult to have a balanced

ketogenic diet.)

Recent governmental guidelines suggest that about half our calories ought

to come from carbs... but these guidelines come from the same folks who

tell us that healthy fats are bad. Here's an article on this viewpoint:

http://nutrition.about.com/od/askyournutritionist/f/howmanycarbs.htm

This article claims that someone eating 2000 calories a day should

have around 250 grams of carbs.

On the other hand, based on how I feel, I do best on no more than 60-80

grams.

For those who may have done research on diabetes, you'll find that people

who have blood glucose issues were originally placed on a diet with

virtually no carbs. This is because diabetes is a disease of the

carbohydrate metabolism. Why eat what you can't metabolize? I have a

friend who has been diabetic for more than 50 years. When he was first

diagnosed, he wasn't allowed any bread, pasta, rice, or sugar. Funnily

enough, his diet was quite a bit like a low carb SCD.

Tolerance of carb amounts can be an individual thing. For people who are

also battling yeast and candida, lower carb is generally better. But it's

not a requirement of SCD.

When I first started SCD, the " in " breakfast on the lists was a

fruit smoothie -- two cups of fruit, a cup of full fat yogurt, some

honey, some vanilla. Elaine said that if one tolerated it, that was

fine.

I, on the other hand, did best on a couple of soft boiled or poached

eggs, some bacon or prosciutto, and some orange juice. And that, too, was

fine with Elaine.

Basically, you eat legal foods which you tolerate. It's that

simple.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 01:36 AM 6/4/2009, you wrote:

When I read BTVC, I don't recall

it saying to limit your carbs. But I've seen several people here say that

it's best to. It kind of confuses me. Are people's tolerance of carbs

like so many other things in this diet, some people do well with them and

others don't? Or is it a universal thing? Did Elaine have anything to say

about how many carbs we should eat?

Elaine never specified how many carbs one should eat.

She did specify that we weren't aiming to do a ketogenic diet. (I can

tell you, from reading posts from a mom whose daughter was on a ketogenic

diet for seizure control before they determined that SCD worked better

for seizure control) that it is incredibly difficult to have a balanced

ketogenic diet.)

Recent governmental guidelines suggest that about half our calories ought

to come from carbs... but these guidelines come from the same folks who

tell us that healthy fats are bad. Here's an article on this viewpoint:

http://nutrition.about.com/od/askyournutritionist/f/howmanycarbs.htm

This article claims that someone eating 2000 calories a day should

have around 250 grams of carbs.

On the other hand, based on how I feel, I do best on no more than 60-80

grams.

For those who may have done research on diabetes, you'll find that people

who have blood glucose issues were originally placed on a diet with

virtually no carbs. This is because diabetes is a disease of the

carbohydrate metabolism. Why eat what you can't metabolize? I have a

friend who has been diabetic for more than 50 years. When he was first

diagnosed, he wasn't allowed any bread, pasta, rice, or sugar. Funnily

enough, his diet was quite a bit like a low carb SCD.

Tolerance of carb amounts can be an individual thing. For people who are

also battling yeast and candida, lower carb is generally better. But it's

not a requirement of SCD.

When I first started SCD, the " in " breakfast on the lists was a

fruit smoothie -- two cups of fruit, a cup of full fat yogurt, some

honey, some vanilla. Elaine said that if one tolerated it, that was

fine.

I, on the other hand, did best on a couple of soft boiled or poached

eggs, some bacon or prosciutto, and some orange juice. And that, too, was

fine with Elaine.

Basically, you eat legal foods which you tolerate. It's that

simple.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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spookyhurst wrote:

>

>

> When I read BTVC, I don't recall it saying to limit your carbs. But

> I've seen several people here say that it's best to. It kind of

> confuses me. Are people's tolerance of carbs like so many other things

> in this diet, some people do well with them and others don't? Or is it

> a universal thing? Did Elaine have anything to say about how many

> carbs we should eat?

>

> Holly

> Crohn's

> SCD 12/01/08

>

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When you cut out /most sugars /and virtually all starches, as the SCD

does, you're pretty clearly limiting your carbs unless you're replacing

that by eating copious amounts of honey and fruit.

I would urge anybody on the SCD to read two books that complement the

diet nicely and that explain a great many things you'll want to know

about sugar's relation to disease -- bowel disease and other diseases.

You'll learn about how the body makes energy from what we eat, why a

high-carb diet is seriously unhealthy, and how we got into the

situation in which the medical establishment has insisted for years, and

is still mostly insisting, that fat, not carbs, is nasty, that

low-fat/high-carb diets are good for you, when no real science backs

that up, and in fact shows the opposite. The books are /Life Without

Bread /by Lutz and Allan and /Good Calories, Bad Calories/ by

Taubes. Well worth buying or borrowing from your public library.

n

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the medical establishment has insisted for years, and is still mostly insisting, that fat, not carbs, is nasty, that low-fat/high-carb diets are good for you, when no real science backs that up, and in fact shows the oppositeIt bothers me how fat is portrayed as such a bad thing too! And my health class just bothers me to no end!!!! One of the sections on nutrition in the textbook said, almost word for word: "Bread is a good source of complex carbohydrates, vitamins, and minerals. The more fiber the bread has, usually the more nutrients it has." I have to say that is about the most ignorant sounding statement I've ever heard about nutrition in my life, and NOT just because I'm an SCDer now!!! THey didn't even say WHOLE GRAIN bread or anything!!! Ugh. It's so annoying having to learn about nutrition in health class when I've spent the last 6 months of my life completely focused on diet, and becoming healthy. All my health teacher can talk about is how amazing milk and bread are for you. Give me a break!!! Sorry, very rantish, I know. I needed that though, because I know you guys will sympathize with me =)Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa =D

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the medical establishment has insisted for years, and is still mostly insisting, that fat, not carbs, is nasty, that low-fat/high-carb diets are good for you, when no real science backs that up, and in fact shows the oppositeIt bothers me how fat is portrayed as such a bad thing too! And my health class just bothers me to no end!!!! One of the sections on nutrition in the textbook said, almost word for word: "Bread is a good source of complex carbohydrates, vitamins, and minerals. The more fiber the bread has, usually the more nutrients it has." I have to say that is about the most ignorant sounding statement I've ever heard about nutrition in my life, and NOT just because I'm an SCDer now!!! THey didn't even say WHOLE GRAIN bread or anything!!! Ugh. It's so annoying having to learn about nutrition in health class when I've spent the last 6 months of my life completely focused on diet, and becoming healthy. All my health teacher can talk about is how amazing milk and bread are for you. Give me a break!!! Sorry, very rantish, I know. I needed that though, because I know you guys will sympathize with me =)Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa =D

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She did specify that we weren't aiming to do a ketogenic diet.What is that? I've never heard of it before.but these guidelines come from the same folks who tell us that healthy fats are bad. Which fats are considered good fats? I'm confused. Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa =D

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Alyssa wrote:

>>the same folks who

>> tell us that healthy fats are bad.

> Which fats are considered good fats? I'm confused.

butter, olive oil, coconut oil, cocoa butter, lard, chicken fat, etc.

All the traditional fats.

Mara

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....all the more reason to write your SCD book as your senior project ;DKelley W.Good point =) Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa =D

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Alyssa, ketones are what the body makes when it breaks down fat. The brain can only use sugars and ketones for metabolism. In a no carb diet, the body runs out of carbs for sugar, and it breaks down fat to get ketones to keep the brain going. This is the idea behind Atkins. In SCD we still get enough legal carbs so this does not happen."Bad" fats are trans-fats which are mostly found in margarine and highly processed foods. Since these are "illegal" they are not on SCD. At one point, people were told to avoid fats in butter and milk, and use margarine instead. Now the focus is on trans-fats. I think the biggest problem in the US is obesity, so now everyone is told to only eat a small amount of fat, but we need some fats to be healthy.I think the fats in olive oil and avocados are considered "good" fats.PJVery interesting PJ, thanks! I always knew trans were bad, and unsaturated fats were good, I guess my confusion was in the saturated fats. From the SCD viewpoint though, it sounds like sat fats are good. Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa =D

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>I'm curious if you plan to go into nutrition, science, or health care after college? Definitely not health care! I'm one of those super weak people who get totally freaked out by blood and gore and needles and such (unfortunately). I was thinking about maybe being a holistic health doctor of some sort, becuase there is such a shortage of them and they usually only have to deal with things on the EXTERIOR of the body, no blood =) I'm interested in so many things though. I like architecture, service dog training (like seeing eye dogs), space (although I wouldn't make a good astronaut). My interests are pretty diverse. At this point though, I would probably be the most help to the world if I was a holistic health doctor (I'm not really sure of the specific title I'm looking for for this). I'm hoping that in this next generation, people start to realize how much damage their diets are doing to them. Hopefully we'll havae that ripple effect, where each person who learns about it will tell two or three other people, and so forth. Fingers crossed! Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa =D

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Amen! I am so impressed with you, Alyssa! :)Thanks so much Kelley =) I just hope that I can achieve whatever purpose in life I have for all tlhis knowledge! Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa =D

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>

> The books are /Life Without

> Bread /by Lutz and Allan and /Good Calories, Bad Calories/ by

> Taubes. Well worth buying or borrowing from your public library.

Seconded.

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Cheers,

DF in MA

UC June '07

SCD Nov '08

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> Yogurt - 22g

Is this for commercial or 24 hour yogurt? My bet is 24 hr is [much] lower.

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Cheers,

DF in MA

UC June '07

SCD Nov '08

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At 06:10 AM 6/5/2009, you wrote:

Marilyn I recently bought I

guess what you're calling refined fructose -an actually bag of fructose

sugar -used it for baking for a party -non SCD of course - thought it

woud be healthier than regular sugar and good for diabetics etc but it's

not ??? why do you say it's bad news??? guess I should have just used my

honey since i can't eat it anymore

Honey is definitely better.

http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/nutrition/a/fructosedangers.htm

covers the subject. For instance,

Most of the carbohydrates we eat are made up of chains of glucose.

When glucose enters the bloodstream, the body releases insulin to help

regulate it. Fructose, on the other hand, is processed in the liver. To

greatly simplify the situation: When too much fructose enters the liver,

the liver can't process it all fast enough for the body to use as sugar.

Instead, it starts making fats from the fructose and sending them off

into the bloodstream as

triglycerides.

Why is this bad?This is potentially bad for at

least three reasons:

High blood triglycerides are a risk factor for heart disease. Fructose ends up circumventing the normal appetite signaling system,

so appetite-regulating hormones aren't triggered--and you're left feeling

unsatisfied. This is probably at least part of the reason why excess

fructose consumption is associated with weight gain. There is growing evidence that excess fructose consumption may

facilitate

insulin resistance, and eventually

type 2 diabetes.

Also note that: Fruits and vegetables have relatively small,

" normal " amounts of fructose that most bodies can handle quite

well.

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Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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At 06:14 AM 6/5/2009, you wrote:

Marilyn my can of tomato juice

had a lot of sodium so I'm psyched as I need it - let's hope it doesn't

bloat me again - but anyway do we lose carbs or sodium when we cook it to

death to make it a sauce??

Regrettably, no, we don't lose sodium when we cook the tomato juice down.

In fact, we concentrate the sodium. That's one reason why I prefer to

make my sauce from fresh tomatoes. (I learned plenty about no-to-low

sodium cooking, with my Mom having congestive heart failure.)

Don't loose carbs, either. <g>

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Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund