Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Thanks for the information > >Reply-To: Listen-Up >To: Listen-Up >Subject: Re: oral school >Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 08:32:14 -0700 (PDT) > >There is a preschool program in Washington state called " Listen & Talk " in >Bothell. They provide early child intervention and preschool for kids from >birth to 5, then they help those kids with classroom settings, consulting >classroom teacher and help monitoring the language progress. They also >have audiotary and verbal speech therapy there. My son has been there for >two years and we are graduating to a neighborhood school. If you contact >them, they probably will be able to help you with IEP for the language >progress and provide speech therapy. > >Janelle Embrey wrote: I am fairly new to the group and >have an 8 year old boy who is Hard of >Hearing plus child. He's in public education now and they are punting. We >are hoping to move this summers to a different school district that has a >deaf ed program. I've seen in several emails the mention of an oral >school???? I live in Washington state and haven't run across that kind of >school. Can someone explain......I'd love to visit and observe. Janelle > >_________________________________________________________________ >Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > >All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post is >the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to copyright >restrictions. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Thanks for the information > >Reply-To: Listen-Up >To: Listen-Up >Subject: Re: oral school >Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 08:32:14 -0700 (PDT) > >There is a preschool program in Washington state called " Listen & Talk " in >Bothell. They provide early child intervention and preschool for kids from >birth to 5, then they help those kids with classroom settings, consulting >classroom teacher and help monitoring the language progress. They also >have audiotary and verbal speech therapy there. My son has been there for >two years and we are graduating to a neighborhood school. If you contact >them, they probably will be able to help you with IEP for the language >progress and provide speech therapy. > >Janelle Embrey wrote: I am fairly new to the group and >have an 8 year old boy who is Hard of >Hearing plus child. He's in public education now and they are punting. We >are hoping to move this summers to a different school district that has a >deaf ed program. I've seen in several emails the mention of an oral >school???? I live in Washington state and haven't run across that kind of >school. Can someone explain......I'd love to visit and observe. Janelle > >_________________________________________________________________ >Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > >All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post is >the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to copyright >restrictions. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Thanks for the reply. We are in Montesano and are fed up with what little services the district is providing. Let me restate that..they have tried but it's such a small district that even if they tried to learn how to sign, and teach a hard of hearing child it would be too late. We need the services now. So...we are going to hopefully move to Olympia. The N Thurston school district has a Def Ed program with a def ed teacher. Colton, my son, also has development delays and they have a different program to help with those issues as well. I'm sure we'll still have challenges and hurdles but at least the education and experience is already at that district. Our school district has contracted with the Vancouver School of the Deaf for services like assessments and IEP ideas. They have been helpful. Although their culture is so different than that of a child who wants to use total communciation. And we won't even start down the road of assessment!!! That's a whole different huge issue!!! Yes I just discovered the Listen and Talk program and already have it on my calendar to visit week after next. The teacher their was very helpful and informative. And yes.....I am so tired of trying to help our son but don't really know how. It's very frustrating because I feel like each year goes by and our IEP and school program is still lagging behind from the previous year and the previous year and the previous year. Thanks again for your reply. Sorry I just rambled and rambled. It's a relief though to talk to someone with similar issues. I guess that's why we are on the listserv Janelle > >Reply-To: Listen-Up >To: Listen-Up >Subject: Re: oral school >Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 01:13:44 -0000 > > > > > > I am fairly new to the group and have an 8 year old boy who is Hard >of > > Hearing plus child. He's in public education now and they are >punting. We > > are hoping to move this summers to a different school district that >has a > > deaf ed program. I've seen in several emails the mention of an oral > > school???? I live in Washington state and haven't run across that >kind of > > school. Can someone explain......I'd love to visit and observe. >Janelle > > >Hi Janelle, >I am in Washington State also. The Mukilteo School District. What >area are you in? > >In our area the choices for deaf ed schools are pretty slim. There is >the Washington School for the Deaf in Vancouver, WA. And then in >Shoreline, the Northwest School for the Deaf. There is also a school >called " Listen and Talk " , which is an oral program, but primarily for >birth to preschool, with the focus being on preparing the students for >mainstream education. > >It seems that most of the school districts don't have any knowledge or >expertise to deal with HOH or deaf students in the mainstream >setting. And of course they are budget challenged to add services for >our kids, so everything becomes a big fight to get what you thing your >child needs. I have found myself frustrated with just trying to >figure out what it is that my son needs, as I am not an expert and no >one at our school is either. > >I was thrilled to find out that " Listen and Talk " has partnered with >the WSD to provide services for mainstreamed students. It is a brand >new program and I have asked my district to sign my son up for the >program. That was almost two weeks ago and I have not heard back yet, >but am hopeful. They will assist the schools to adequately support >the student and it is at the expense of WSD, so the schools are >willing to participate. > >I am happy to find the information for you if that would be helpful. >Depending on where you are at in Washington, I may have some >additional resources to share as well. Just let me know where you are >at. > >What is the severity of your sons loss? How has your district dealt >with it thus far? > >Tracey > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Oh I forgot to mention.....mild hearing loss in his left ear and moderate to severe hearing loss in the right ear. With aids he can hear at conversaton level. What may happen though is that he will continue to lose his hearing. So far it's been stable but it's been a gradual loss since he was 3. > >Reply-To: Listen-Up >To: Listen-Up >Subject: Re: oral school >Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 01:13:44 -0000 > > > > > > I am fairly new to the group and have an 8 year old boy who is Hard >of > > Hearing plus child. He's in public education now and they are >punting. We > > are hoping to move this summers to a different school district that >has a > > deaf ed program. I've seen in several emails the mention of an oral > > school???? I live in Washington state and haven't run across that >kind of > > school. Can someone explain......I'd love to visit and observe. >Janelle > > >Hi Janelle, >I am in Washington State also. The Mukilteo School District. What >area are you in? > >In our area the choices for deaf ed schools are pretty slim. There is >the Washington School for the Deaf in Vancouver, WA. And then in >Shoreline, the Northwest School for the Deaf. There is also a school >called " Listen and Talk " , which is an oral program, but primarily for >birth to preschool, with the focus being on preparing the students for >mainstream education. > >It seems that most of the school districts don't have any knowledge or >expertise to deal with HOH or deaf students in the mainstream >setting. And of course they are budget challenged to add services for >our kids, so everything becomes a big fight to get what you thing your >child needs. I have found myself frustrated with just trying to >figure out what it is that my son needs, as I am not an expert and no >one at our school is either. > >I was thrilled to find out that " Listen and Talk " has partnered with >the WSD to provide services for mainstreamed students. It is a brand >new program and I have asked my district to sign my son up for the >program. That was almost two weeks ago and I have not heard back yet, >but am hopeful. They will assist the schools to adequately support >the student and it is at the expense of WSD, so the schools are >willing to participate. > >I am happy to find the information for you if that would be helpful. >Depending on where you are at in Washington, I may have some >additional resources to share as well. Just let me know where you are >at. > >What is the severity of your sons loss? How has your district dealt >with it thus far? > >Tracey > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Here is a list of oral schools. I don't know if it's up to date or not. Pam http://www.oraldeafed.org/schools/index.html Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter... Luther King, Jr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 In a message dated 4/17/2006 1:32:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tracey@... writes: These are also the kids that fake it the best. My 9 year old son definetly fits into that category. Our son started in this category with a unilateral loss as well (better in the right than the left). And these kids do fake it well. Mine did it so well that he fooled an audi (a bad one) by lip reading through his first few booth tests. And, depending on their loss, at some point these kids' coping skills run out and they can so easily fall between the cracks. At the beginning, I was saddened to realize that the struggle would be easier for us if Ian only had a more serious loss, if only he were " more deaf " people would have taken me more seriously. These kids also need and deserve services to support them, just like " more deaf " kids. The trick is figuring out what that is. (sigh) best -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 In a message dated 4/17/2006 1:32:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tracey@... writes: These are also the kids that fake it the best. My 9 year old son definetly fits into that category. Our son started in this category with a unilateral loss as well (better in the right than the left). And these kids do fake it well. Mine did it so well that he fooled an audi (a bad one) by lip reading through his first few booth tests. And, depending on their loss, at some point these kids' coping skills run out and they can so easily fall between the cracks. At the beginning, I was saddened to realize that the struggle would be easier for us if Ian only had a more serious loss, if only he were " more deaf " people would have taken me more seriously. These kids also need and deserve services to support them, just like " more deaf " kids. The trick is figuring out what that is. (sigh) best -- Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 > > > > > > I am fairly new to the group and have an 8 year old boy who is Hard > >of > > > Hearing plus child. He's in public education now and they are > >punting. We > > > are hoping to move this summers to a different school district that > >has a > > > deaf ed program. I've seen in several emails the mention of an oral > > > school???? I live in Washington state and haven't run across that > >kind of > > > school. Can someone explain......I'd love to visit and observe. > >Janelle > > > > > >Hi Janelle, > >I am in Washington State also. The Mukilteo School District. What > >area are you in? > > > >In our area the choices for deaf ed schools are pretty slim. There is > >the Washington School for the Deaf in Vancouver, WA. And then in > >Shoreline, the Northwest School for the Deaf. There is also a school > >called " Listen and Talk " , which is an oral program, but primarily for > >birth to preschool, with the focus being on preparing the students for > >mainstream education. > > > >It seems that most of the school districts don't have any knowledge or > >expertise to deal with HOH or deaf students in the mainstream > >setting. And of course they are budget challenged to add services for > >our kids, so everything becomes a big fight to get what you thing your > >child needs. I have found myself frustrated with just trying to > >figure out what it is that my son needs, as I am not an expert and no > >one at our school is either. > > > >I was thrilled to find out that " Listen and Talk " has partnered with > >the WSD to provide services for mainstreamed students. It is a brand > >new program and I have asked my district to sign my son up for the > >program. That was almost two weeks ago and I have not heard back yet, > >but am hopeful. They will assist the schools to adequately support > >the student and it is at the expense of WSD, so the schools are > >willing to participate. > > > >I am happy to find the information for you if that would be helpful. > >Depending on where you are at in Washington, I may have some > >additional resources to share as well. Just let me know where you are > >at. > > > >What is the severity of your sons loss? How has your district dealt > >with it thus far? > > > >Tracey > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > > > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 > > > In a message dated 4/17/2006 1:32:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > tracey@... writes: > > These are also the kids that fake it the > best. My 9 year old son definetly fits into that category. > > > > > Our son started in this category with a unilateral loss as well (better in > the right than the left). And these kids do fake it well. Mine did it so well > that he fooled an audi (a bad one) by lip reading through his first few booth > tests. And, depending on their loss, at some point these kids' coping skills > run out and they can so easily fall between the cracks. At the beginning, I > was saddened to realize that the struggle would be easier for us if Ian only > had a more serious loss, if only he were " more deaf " people would have taken > me more seriously. > > These kids also need and deserve services to support them, just like " more > deaf " kids. The trick is figuring out what that is. (sigh) > > best -- Jill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 > > > In a message dated 4/17/2006 1:32:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > tracey@... writes: > > These are also the kids that fake it the > best. My 9 year old son definetly fits into that category. > > > > > Our son started in this category with a unilateral loss as well (better in > the right than the left). And these kids do fake it well. Mine did it so well > that he fooled an audi (a bad one) by lip reading through his first few booth > tests. And, depending on their loss, at some point these kids' coping skills > run out and they can so easily fall between the cracks. At the beginning, I > was saddened to realize that the struggle would be easier for us if Ian only > had a more serious loss, if only he were " more deaf " people would have taken > me more seriously. > > These kids also need and deserve services to support them, just like " more > deaf " kids. The trick is figuring out what that is. (sigh) > > best -- Jill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Jill wrote: At the beginning, I was saddened to realize that the struggle would be easier for us if Ian only had a more serious loss, if only he were " more deaf " people would have taken me more seriously. These kids also need and deserve services to support them, just like " more deaf " kids. The trick is figuring out what that is. (sigh) ** AMEN! It's horrible to say, but I honestly felt (and sometimes still do) feel like I couldn't find any information, or understand what challenges would face in school and/or social situations, because he isn't " deaf enough. " On one hand, you have doctors and experts telling you that unilateral loss really isn't that big of a deal, but on the other hand, they tell you that it really wasn't very well diagnosed until (relatively) recent times, and that you have some pretty big safety issues at hand (not being able to hear a car coming is, in my opinion, a pretty big deal) as well as the potential for problems in the classroom. Urgh. Sorry - I just had to add my vent. Kris Mom to (7 y.o., Profound/Complete SNL, Left Ear) and Ethan (6 y.o., hearing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Jill wrote: At the beginning, I was saddened to realize that the struggle would be easier for us if Ian only had a more serious loss, if only he were " more deaf " people would have taken me more seriously. These kids also need and deserve services to support them, just like " more deaf " kids. The trick is figuring out what that is. (sigh) ** AMEN! It's horrible to say, but I honestly felt (and sometimes still do) feel like I couldn't find any information, or understand what challenges would face in school and/or social situations, because he isn't " deaf enough. " On one hand, you have doctors and experts telling you that unilateral loss really isn't that big of a deal, but on the other hand, they tell you that it really wasn't very well diagnosed until (relatively) recent times, and that you have some pretty big safety issues at hand (not being able to hear a car coming is, in my opinion, a pretty big deal) as well as the potential for problems in the classroom. Urgh. Sorry - I just had to add my vent. Kris Mom to (7 y.o., Profound/Complete SNL, Left Ear) and Ethan (6 y.o., hearing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 >> These kids also need and deserve services to support them, just like >> " more deaf " kids.<< I agree! Whenever I'm contacted by someone and they imply that a unilateral hearing loss isn't that bad, or that a mild hearing loss isn't educationally significant, I gently (or not so gently) correct them with facts. Of course it helps that I have a mild hearing loss and I now recognize how it affected my education. No wonder I always wanted to sit in the front row (and a bunch of other things). I put together this page just so that folks like you would have some info at their fingertips to use: http://listen-up.org/oral/flexer.htm Even if the child isn't having problems, they are at risk for doing so and should be closely monitored for understanding in the classroom. Hugs, -Kay Kay kay@... The Listen-Up Web http://www.listen-up.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 > > >> These kids also need and deserve services to support them, just like > >> " more deaf " kids.<< > > I agree! Whenever I'm contacted by someone and they imply that a unilateral > hearing loss isn't that bad, or that a mild hearing loss isn't educationally > significant, I gently (or not so gently) correct them with facts. Of course > it helps that I have a mild hearing loss and I now recognize how it affected > my education. No wonder I always wanted to sit in the front row (and a bunch > of other things). I put together this page just so that folks like you would > have some info at their fingertips to use: > http://listen-up.org/oral/flexer.htm > > Even if the child isn't having problems, they are at risk for doing so and > should be closely monitored for understanding in the classroom. > > Hugs, > -Kay > > Kay > kay@... > The Listen-Up Web > http://www.listen-up.org > Thanks for putting those Carol Flexor quotes together Kay. This one really hits home with me: " A child with a hearing impairment, even a mild or unilateral impairment, cannot casually overhear what people are saying, or the events that are occurring (, 1990). Children with normal hearing often seem to passively absorb information from the environment and to constantly have little antennae to pick up every morsel of information. A child who has a hearing problem may seem oblivious to environmental events, " out of it, " not to know what is occurring, unconnected to his or her environment, or have to be told everything. Because of the reduction in signal intensity and integrity with distance, a child with a hearing problem may have a limited range or distance of hearing; that child may need to be taught directly many skills that other children learn incidentally. " Looking back to my school days, I remembeer countless times when I was indeed " out of it. " When I was diagnosed with a unilateral loss at age 5, my parents were told that it was no big deal. Looking back, I wish I would have gotten more support other than sitting at the front of the class, though I don't really know what services I should have received. Probably social skills training :-) Since I've joined this list and read more about unilateral loss, it's been changing the way I see how my loss has impacted my life. When I was " out of it " because I missed what was going on, I didn't think it had much to do with my not hearing in one ear, though of course I knew about it. After all, the doctors said it shouldn't bother me. I figured I was stupid or crazy instead. What happened, happened, they didn't have the research they have now and I can't change the past so there's no point on dwelling on it. But I can learn what to do for my daughter. My 3 year old daughter has the same loss as I do. Of course I will do my best to make sure she gets proper support when she starts school. It's hard to picture what that would be though. I know about FMs, but they seem so cumbersome, I don't know if I would have liked to use one, and the benefit is limited to hearing whoever has the mic. Anyway, I'm glad I know what I know now so I can help the both of us :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 >> My 3 year old daughter has the same loss as I do. Of course I will do my best to make sure she gets proper support when she starts school. It's hard to picture what that would be though. I know about FMs, but they seem so cumbersome, I don't know if I would have liked to use one, and the benefit is limited to hearing whoever has the mic.<< It's funny, because I was just talking with 's reading group teacher tonight (she teaches another Montessori class, and we combine kids of varying reading abilities into different level-appropriate groups), and we were talking about the difference she's seen in him since he got his Phonak EduLink about 6 weeks ago. It's a small group that he's in (about 6 to 8 kids), but he was always having problems with the group activities, such as when all kids would read the same passage aloud, or when she would lead a comprehension discussion. She said she never realized how much he was missing until he got used to the FM - now he interacts with her a lot more, and exudes a much greater level of confidence when he's participating in the group activities. I *love* this EduLink. The district audiologist is really impressed with it, and the design is just ideal for a person with unilateral loss (since it was actually designed for " hearing " kids with ADD). If 's TransEar doesn't work out, I'm seriously considering asking if we can purchase one through our audiologist for use in 's extracurricular activities (not to mention his summer school program). Kris Mom to (7 y.o., Profound/Complete SNL, Left Ear) and Ethan (6 y.o., hearing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 >> My 3 year old daughter has the same loss as I do. Of course I will do my best to make sure she gets proper support when she starts school. It's hard to picture what that would be though. I know about FMs, but they seem so cumbersome, I don't know if I would have liked to use one, and the benefit is limited to hearing whoever has the mic.<< It's funny, because I was just talking with 's reading group teacher tonight (she teaches another Montessori class, and we combine kids of varying reading abilities into different level-appropriate groups), and we were talking about the difference she's seen in him since he got his Phonak EduLink about 6 weeks ago. It's a small group that he's in (about 6 to 8 kids), but he was always having problems with the group activities, such as when all kids would read the same passage aloud, or when she would lead a comprehension discussion. She said she never realized how much he was missing until he got used to the FM - now he interacts with her a lot more, and exudes a much greater level of confidence when he's participating in the group activities. I *love* this EduLink. The district audiologist is really impressed with it, and the design is just ideal for a person with unilateral loss (since it was actually designed for " hearing " kids with ADD). If 's TransEar doesn't work out, I'm seriously considering asking if we can purchase one through our audiologist for use in 's extracurricular activities (not to mention his summer school program). Kris Mom to (7 y.o., Profound/Complete SNL, Left Ear) and Ethan (6 y.o., hearing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 >> My 3 year old daughter has the same loss as I do. Of course I will do my best to make sure she gets proper support when she starts school. It's hard to picture what that would be though. I know about FMs, but they seem so cumbersome, I don't know if I would have liked to use one, and the benefit is limited to hearing whoever has the mic.<< It's funny, because I was just talking with 's reading group teacher tonight (she teaches another Montessori class, and we combine kids of varying reading abilities into different level-appropriate groups), and we were talking about the difference she's seen in him since he got his Phonak EduLink about 6 weeks ago. It's a small group that he's in (about 6 to 8 kids), but he was always having problems with the group activities, such as when all kids would read the same passage aloud, or when she would lead a comprehension discussion. She said she never realized how much he was missing until he got used to the FM - now he interacts with her a lot more, and exudes a much greater level of confidence when he's participating in the group activities. I *love* this EduLink. The district audiologist is really impressed with it, and the design is just ideal for a person with unilateral loss (since it was actually designed for " hearing " kids with ADD). If 's TransEar doesn't work out, I'm seriously considering asking if we can purchase one through our audiologist for use in 's extracurricular activities (not to mention his summer school program). Kris Mom to (7 y.o., Profound/Complete SNL, Left Ear) and Ethan (6 y.o., hearing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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