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>Subject: Re: oral school

>Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 08:32:14 -0700 (PDT)

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>There is a preschool program in Washington state called " Listen & Talk " in

>Bothell. They provide early child intervention and preschool for kids from

>birth to 5, then they help those kids with classroom settings, consulting

>classroom teacher and help monitoring the language progress. They also

>have audiotary and verbal speech therapy there. My son has been there for

>two years and we are graduating to a neighborhood school. If you contact

>them, they probably will be able to help you with IEP for the language

>progress and provide speech therapy.

>

>Janelle Embrey wrote: I am fairly new to the group and

>have an 8 year old boy who is Hard of

>Hearing plus child. He's in public education now and they are punting. We

>are hoping to move this summers to a different school district that has a

>deaf ed program. I've seen in several emails the mention of an oral

>school???? I live in Washington state and haven't run across that kind of

>school. Can someone explain......I'd love to visit and observe. Janelle

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Thanks for the information

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>Subject: Re: oral school

>Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 08:32:14 -0700 (PDT)

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>There is a preschool program in Washington state called " Listen & Talk " in

>Bothell. They provide early child intervention and preschool for kids from

>birth to 5, then they help those kids with classroom settings, consulting

>classroom teacher and help monitoring the language progress. They also

>have audiotary and verbal speech therapy there. My son has been there for

>two years and we are graduating to a neighborhood school. If you contact

>them, they probably will be able to help you with IEP for the language

>progress and provide speech therapy.

>

>Janelle Embrey wrote: I am fairly new to the group and

>have an 8 year old boy who is Hard of

>Hearing plus child. He's in public education now and they are punting. We

>are hoping to move this summers to a different school district that has a

>deaf ed program. I've seen in several emails the mention of an oral

>school???? I live in Washington state and haven't run across that kind of

>school. Can someone explain......I'd love to visit and observe. Janelle

>

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Thanks for the reply. We are in Montesano and are fed up with what little

services the district is providing. Let me restate that..they have tried

but it's such a small district that even if they tried to learn how to sign,

and teach a hard of hearing child it would be too late. We need the

services now. So...we are going to hopefully move to Olympia. The N

Thurston school district has a Def Ed program with a def ed teacher.

Colton, my son, also has development delays and they have a different

program to help with those issues as well. I'm sure we'll still have

challenges and hurdles but at least the education and experience is already

at that district.

Our school district has contracted with the Vancouver School of the Deaf for

services like assessments and IEP ideas. They have been helpful. Although

their culture is so different than that of a child who wants to use total

communciation. And we won't even start down the road of assessment!!!

That's a whole different huge issue!!!

Yes I just discovered the Listen and Talk program and already have it on my

calendar to visit week after next. The teacher their was very helpful and

informative.

And yes.....I am so tired of trying to help our son but don't really know

how. It's very frustrating because I feel like each year goes by and our

IEP and school program is still lagging behind from the previous year and

the previous year and the previous year.

Thanks again for your reply. Sorry I just rambled and rambled. It's a

relief though to talk to someone with similar issues. I guess that's why we

are on the listserv :) Janelle

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>Subject: Re: oral school

>Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 01:13:44 -0000

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> >

> > I am fairly new to the group and have an 8 year old boy who is Hard

>of

> > Hearing plus child. He's in public education now and they are

>punting. We

> > are hoping to move this summers to a different school district that

>has a

> > deaf ed program. I've seen in several emails the mention of an oral

> > school???? I live in Washington state and haven't run across that

>kind of

> > school. Can someone explain......I'd love to visit and observe.

>Janelle

>

>

>Hi Janelle,

>I am in Washington State also. The Mukilteo School District. What

>area are you in?

>

>In our area the choices for deaf ed schools are pretty slim. There is

>the Washington School for the Deaf in Vancouver, WA. And then in

>Shoreline, the Northwest School for the Deaf. There is also a school

>called " Listen and Talk " , which is an oral program, but primarily for

>birth to preschool, with the focus being on preparing the students for

>mainstream education.

>

>It seems that most of the school districts don't have any knowledge or

>expertise to deal with HOH or deaf students in the mainstream

>setting. And of course they are budget challenged to add services for

>our kids, so everything becomes a big fight to get what you thing your

>child needs. I have found myself frustrated with just trying to

>figure out what it is that my son needs, as I am not an expert and no

>one at our school is either.

>

>I was thrilled to find out that " Listen and Talk " has partnered with

>the WSD to provide services for mainstreamed students. It is a brand

>new program and I have asked my district to sign my son up for the

>program. That was almost two weeks ago and I have not heard back yet,

>but am hopeful. They will assist the schools to adequately support

>the student and it is at the expense of WSD, so the schools are

>willing to participate.

>

>I am happy to find the information for you if that would be helpful.

>Depending on where you are at in Washington, I may have some

>additional resources to share as well. Just let me know where you are

>at.

>

>What is the severity of your sons loss? How has your district dealt

>with it thus far?

>

>Tracey

>

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Oh I forgot to mention.....mild hearing loss in his left ear and moderate to

severe hearing loss in the right ear. With aids he can hear at conversaton

level. What may happen though is that he will continue to lose his hearing.

So far it's been stable but it's been a gradual loss since he was 3.

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>Reply-To: Listen-Up

>To: Listen-Up

>Subject: Re: oral school

>Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 01:13:44 -0000

>

>

> >

> > I am fairly new to the group and have an 8 year old boy who is Hard

>of

> > Hearing plus child. He's in public education now and they are

>punting. We

> > are hoping to move this summers to a different school district that

>has a

> > deaf ed program. I've seen in several emails the mention of an oral

> > school???? I live in Washington state and haven't run across that

>kind of

> > school. Can someone explain......I'd love to visit and observe.

>Janelle

>

>

>Hi Janelle,

>I am in Washington State also. The Mukilteo School District. What

>area are you in?

>

>In our area the choices for deaf ed schools are pretty slim. There is

>the Washington School for the Deaf in Vancouver, WA. And then in

>Shoreline, the Northwest School for the Deaf. There is also a school

>called " Listen and Talk " , which is an oral program, but primarily for

>birth to preschool, with the focus being on preparing the students for

>mainstream education.

>

>It seems that most of the school districts don't have any knowledge or

>expertise to deal with HOH or deaf students in the mainstream

>setting. And of course they are budget challenged to add services for

>our kids, so everything becomes a big fight to get what you thing your

>child needs. I have found myself frustrated with just trying to

>figure out what it is that my son needs, as I am not an expert and no

>one at our school is either.

>

>I was thrilled to find out that " Listen and Talk " has partnered with

>the WSD to provide services for mainstreamed students. It is a brand

>new program and I have asked my district to sign my son up for the

>program. That was almost two weeks ago and I have not heard back yet,

>but am hopeful. They will assist the schools to adequately support

>the student and it is at the expense of WSD, so the schools are

>willing to participate.

>

>I am happy to find the information for you if that would be helpful.

>Depending on where you are at in Washington, I may have some

>additional resources to share as well. Just let me know where you are

>at.

>

>What is the severity of your sons loss? How has your district dealt

>with it thus far?

>

>Tracey

>

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In a message dated 4/17/2006 1:32:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

tracey@... writes:

These are also the kids that fake it the

best. My 9 year old son definetly fits into that category.

Our son started in this category with a unilateral loss as well (better in

the right than the left). And these kids do fake it well. Mine did it so well

that he fooled an audi (a bad one) by lip reading through his first few booth

tests. And, depending on their loss, at some point these kids' coping skills

run out and they can so easily fall between the cracks. At the beginning, I

was saddened to realize that the struggle would be easier for us if Ian only

had a more serious loss, if only he were " more deaf " people would have taken

me more seriously.

These kids also need and deserve services to support them, just like " more

deaf " kids. The trick is figuring out what that is. (sigh)

best -- Jill

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In a message dated 4/17/2006 1:32:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

tracey@... writes:

These are also the kids that fake it the

best. My 9 year old son definetly fits into that category.

Our son started in this category with a unilateral loss as well (better in

the right than the left). And these kids do fake it well. Mine did it so well

that he fooled an audi (a bad one) by lip reading through his first few booth

tests. And, depending on their loss, at some point these kids' coping skills

run out and they can so easily fall between the cracks. At the beginning, I

was saddened to realize that the struggle would be easier for us if Ian only

had a more serious loss, if only he were " more deaf " people would have taken

me more seriously.

These kids also need and deserve services to support them, just like " more

deaf " kids. The trick is figuring out what that is. (sigh)

best -- Jill

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> > >

> > > I am fairly new to the group and have an 8 year old boy who is

Hard

> >of

> > > Hearing plus child. He's in public education now and they are

> >punting. We

> > > are hoping to move this summers to a different school district

that

> >has a

> > > deaf ed program. I've seen in several emails the mention of

an oral

> > > school???? I live in Washington state and haven't run across

that

> >kind of

> > > school. Can someone explain......I'd love to visit and

observe.

> >Janelle

> >

> >

> >Hi Janelle,

> >I am in Washington State also. The Mukilteo School District.

What

> >area are you in?

> >

> >In our area the choices for deaf ed schools are pretty slim.

There is

> >the Washington School for the Deaf in Vancouver, WA. And then in

> >Shoreline, the Northwest School for the Deaf. There is also a

school

> >called " Listen and Talk " , which is an oral program, but

primarily for

> >birth to preschool, with the focus being on preparing the

students for

> >mainstream education.

> >

> >It seems that most of the school districts don't have any

knowledge or

> >expertise to deal with HOH or deaf students in the mainstream

> >setting. And of course they are budget challenged to add

services for

> >our kids, so everything becomes a big fight to get what you thing

your

> >child needs. I have found myself frustrated with just trying to

> >figure out what it is that my son needs, as I am not an expert

and no

> >one at our school is either.

> >

> >I was thrilled to find out that " Listen and Talk " has partnered

with

> >the WSD to provide services for mainstreamed students. It is a

brand

> >new program and I have asked my district to sign my son up for the

> >program. That was almost two weeks ago and I have not heard back

yet,

> >but am hopeful. They will assist the schools to adequately

support

> >the student and it is at the expense of WSD, so the schools are

> >willing to participate.

> >

> >I am happy to find the information for you if that would be

helpful.

> >Depending on where you are at in Washington, I may have some

> >additional resources to share as well. Just let me know where

you are

> >at.

> >

> >What is the severity of your sons loss? How has your district

dealt

> >with it thus far?

> >

> >Tracey

> >

> > >

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> In a message dated 4/17/2006 1:32:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> tracey@... writes:

>

> These are also the kids that fake it the

> best. My 9 year old son definetly fits into that category.

>

>

>

>

> Our son started in this category with a unilateral loss as well

(better in

> the right than the left). And these kids do fake it well. Mine did

it so well

> that he fooled an audi (a bad one) by lip reading through his

first few booth

> tests. And, depending on their loss, at some point these kids'

coping skills

> run out and they can so easily fall between the cracks. At the

beginning, I

> was saddened to realize that the struggle would be easier for us

if Ian only

> had a more serious loss, if only he were " more deaf " people would

have taken

> me more seriously.

>

> These kids also need and deserve services to support them, just

like " more

> deaf " kids. The trick is figuring out what that is. (sigh)

>

> best -- Jill

>

>

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> In a message dated 4/17/2006 1:32:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> tracey@... writes:

>

> These are also the kids that fake it the

> best. My 9 year old son definetly fits into that category.

>

>

>

>

> Our son started in this category with a unilateral loss as well

(better in

> the right than the left). And these kids do fake it well. Mine did

it so well

> that he fooled an audi (a bad one) by lip reading through his

first few booth

> tests. And, depending on their loss, at some point these kids'

coping skills

> run out and they can so easily fall between the cracks. At the

beginning, I

> was saddened to realize that the struggle would be easier for us

if Ian only

> had a more serious loss, if only he were " more deaf " people would

have taken

> me more seriously.

>

> These kids also need and deserve services to support them, just

like " more

> deaf " kids. The trick is figuring out what that is. (sigh)

>

> best -- Jill

>

>

>

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Jill wrote:

At the beginning, I was saddened to realize that the struggle would be

easier for us if Ian only

had a more serious loss, if only he were " more deaf " people would have taken

me more seriously.

These kids also need and deserve services to support them, just like " more

deaf " kids. The trick is figuring out what that is. (sigh)

**

AMEN!

It's horrible to say, but I honestly felt (and sometimes still do) feel like

I couldn't find any information, or understand what challenges would

face in school and/or social situations, because he isn't " deaf enough. " On

one hand, you have doctors and experts telling you that unilateral loss

really isn't that big of a deal, but on the other hand, they tell you that

it really wasn't very well diagnosed until (relatively) recent times, and

that you have some pretty big safety issues at hand (not being able to hear

a car coming is, in my opinion, a pretty big deal) as well as the potential

for problems in the classroom.

Urgh.

Sorry - I just had to add my vent.

Kris

Mom to (7 y.o., Profound/Complete SNL, Left Ear) and Ethan (6 y.o.,

hearing)

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Jill wrote:

At the beginning, I was saddened to realize that the struggle would be

easier for us if Ian only

had a more serious loss, if only he were " more deaf " people would have taken

me more seriously.

These kids also need and deserve services to support them, just like " more

deaf " kids. The trick is figuring out what that is. (sigh)

**

AMEN!

It's horrible to say, but I honestly felt (and sometimes still do) feel like

I couldn't find any information, or understand what challenges would

face in school and/or social situations, because he isn't " deaf enough. " On

one hand, you have doctors and experts telling you that unilateral loss

really isn't that big of a deal, but on the other hand, they tell you that

it really wasn't very well diagnosed until (relatively) recent times, and

that you have some pretty big safety issues at hand (not being able to hear

a car coming is, in my opinion, a pretty big deal) as well as the potential

for problems in the classroom.

Urgh.

Sorry - I just had to add my vent.

Kris

Mom to (7 y.o., Profound/Complete SNL, Left Ear) and Ethan (6 y.o.,

hearing)

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>> These kids also need and deserve services to support them, just like

>> " more deaf " kids.<<

I agree! Whenever I'm contacted by someone and they imply that a unilateral

hearing loss isn't that bad, or that a mild hearing loss isn't educationally

significant, I gently (or not so gently) correct them with facts. Of course

it helps that I have a mild hearing loss and I now recognize how it affected

my education. No wonder I always wanted to sit in the front row (and a bunch

of other things). I put together this page just so that folks like you would

have some info at their fingertips to use:

http://listen-up.org/oral/flexer.htm

Even if the child isn't having problems, they are at risk for doing so and

should be closely monitored for understanding in the classroom.

Hugs,

-Kay

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> >> These kids also need and deserve services to support them, just like

> >> " more deaf " kids.<<

>

> I agree! Whenever I'm contacted by someone and they imply that a

unilateral

> hearing loss isn't that bad, or that a mild hearing loss isn't

educationally

> significant, I gently (or not so gently) correct them with facts. Of

course

> it helps that I have a mild hearing loss and I now recognize how it

affected

> my education. No wonder I always wanted to sit in the front row (and

a bunch

> of other things). I put together this page just so that folks like

you would

> have some info at their fingertips to use:

> http://listen-up.org/oral/flexer.htm

>

> Even if the child isn't having problems, they are at risk for doing

so and

> should be closely monitored for understanding in the classroom.

>

> Hugs,

> -Kay

>

> Kay

> kay@...

> The Listen-Up Web

> http://www.listen-up.org

>

Thanks for putting those Carol Flexor quotes together Kay. This one

really hits home with me: " A child with a hearing impairment, even a

mild or unilateral impairment, cannot casually overhear what people

are saying, or the events that are occurring (, 1990). Children

with normal hearing often seem to passively absorb information from

the environment and to constantly have little antennae to pick up

every morsel of information. A child who has a hearing problem may

seem oblivious to environmental events, " out of it, " not to know what

is occurring, unconnected to his or her environment, or have to be

told everything.

Because of the reduction in signal intensity and integrity

with distance, a child with a hearing problem may have a limited range

or distance of hearing; that child may need to be taught directly many

skills that other children learn incidentally. "

Looking back to my school days, I remembeer countless times when I was

indeed " out of it. " When I was diagnosed with a unilateral loss at

age 5, my parents were told that it was no big deal. Looking back, I

wish I would have gotten more support other than sitting at the front

of the class, though I don't really know what services I should have

received. Probably social skills training :-) Since I've joined this

list and read more about unilateral loss, it's been changing the way I

see how my loss has impacted my life. When I was " out of it " because

I missed what was going on, I didn't think it had much to do with my

not hearing in one ear, though of course I knew about it. After all,

the doctors said it shouldn't bother me. I figured I was stupid or

crazy instead.

What happened, happened, they didn't have the research they have now

and I can't change the past so there's no point on dwelling on it.

But I can learn what to do for my daughter. My 3 year old daughter

has the same loss as I do. Of course I will do my best to make sure

she gets proper support when she starts school. It's hard to picture

what that would be though. I know about FMs, but they seem so

cumbersome, I don't know if I would have liked to use one, and the

benefit is limited to hearing whoever has the mic.

Anyway, I'm glad I know what I know now so I can help the both of us :-)

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My 3 year old daughter

has the same loss as I do. Of course I will do my best to make sure

she gets proper support when she starts school. It's hard to picture

what that would be though. I know about FMs, but they seem so

cumbersome, I don't know if I would have liked to use one, and the

benefit is limited to hearing whoever has the mic.<<

It's funny, because I was just talking with 's reading group teacher

tonight (she teaches another Montessori class, and we combine kids of

varying reading abilities into different level-appropriate groups), and we

were talking about the difference she's seen in him since he got his Phonak

EduLink about 6 weeks ago. It's a small group that he's in (about 6 to 8

kids), but he was always having problems with the group activities, such as

when all kids would read the same passage aloud, or when she would lead a

comprehension discussion. She said she never realized how much he was

missing until he got used to the FM - now he interacts with her a lot more,

and exudes a much greater level of confidence when he's participating in the

group activities.

I *love* this EduLink. The district audiologist is really impressed with

it, and the design is just ideal for a person with unilateral loss (since it

was actually designed for " hearing " kids with ADD). If 's TransEar

doesn't work out, I'm seriously considering asking if we can purchase one

through our audiologist for use in 's extracurricular activities (not

to mention his summer school program).

Kris

Mom to (7 y.o., Profound/Complete SNL, Left Ear) and Ethan (6 y.o.,

hearing)

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My 3 year old daughter

has the same loss as I do. Of course I will do my best to make sure

she gets proper support when she starts school. It's hard to picture

what that would be though. I know about FMs, but they seem so

cumbersome, I don't know if I would have liked to use one, and the

benefit is limited to hearing whoever has the mic.<<

It's funny, because I was just talking with 's reading group teacher

tonight (she teaches another Montessori class, and we combine kids of

varying reading abilities into different level-appropriate groups), and we

were talking about the difference she's seen in him since he got his Phonak

EduLink about 6 weeks ago. It's a small group that he's in (about 6 to 8

kids), but he was always having problems with the group activities, such as

when all kids would read the same passage aloud, or when she would lead a

comprehension discussion. She said she never realized how much he was

missing until he got used to the FM - now he interacts with her a lot more,

and exudes a much greater level of confidence when he's participating in the

group activities.

I *love* this EduLink. The district audiologist is really impressed with

it, and the design is just ideal for a person with unilateral loss (since it

was actually designed for " hearing " kids with ADD). If 's TransEar

doesn't work out, I'm seriously considering asking if we can purchase one

through our audiologist for use in 's extracurricular activities (not

to mention his summer school program).

Kris

Mom to (7 y.o., Profound/Complete SNL, Left Ear) and Ethan (6 y.o.,

hearing)

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My 3 year old daughter

has the same loss as I do. Of course I will do my best to make sure

she gets proper support when she starts school. It's hard to picture

what that would be though. I know about FMs, but they seem so

cumbersome, I don't know if I would have liked to use one, and the

benefit is limited to hearing whoever has the mic.<<

It's funny, because I was just talking with 's reading group teacher

tonight (she teaches another Montessori class, and we combine kids of

varying reading abilities into different level-appropriate groups), and we

were talking about the difference she's seen in him since he got his Phonak

EduLink about 6 weeks ago. It's a small group that he's in (about 6 to 8

kids), but he was always having problems with the group activities, such as

when all kids would read the same passage aloud, or when she would lead a

comprehension discussion. She said she never realized how much he was

missing until he got used to the FM - now he interacts with her a lot more,

and exudes a much greater level of confidence when he's participating in the

group activities.

I *love* this EduLink. The district audiologist is really impressed with

it, and the design is just ideal for a person with unilateral loss (since it

was actually designed for " hearing " kids with ADD). If 's TransEar

doesn't work out, I'm seriously considering asking if we can purchase one

through our audiologist for use in 's extracurricular activities (not

to mention his summer school program).

Kris

Mom to (7 y.o., Profound/Complete SNL, Left Ear) and Ethan (6 y.o.,

hearing)

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