Re: the stomach bug took my son away-please help!

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In a message dated 3/30/2004 7:30:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,

pattiecakef@... writes:

> NOW he is angry and obsessive again, argumentitive all the time,

> yelling and we had a terrible scene in the grocery store today

Aw, Patti. All I can say is you're describing *my 5.5 yo son exactly.

Bacteria? Yeast? With my son it's very hard to tell the difference, so I try GSE

and

if that doesn't work, I try oil of oregano.

It's so sad when they get so crazy, and even sadder when they think it's

their fault. Boy do I know what you're going through. You'll get him back.

Nell

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Hi-- I'm so sorry he's going through this. I can only tell you what

I would probably do if it was us-- I would stop everything for at

least a few days or a week. I say this because Ethan's yeast

problems were at their worst when we were giving lots of o.o.o. and

sometimes gse and giving probiotics several times a day. The gut was

just in total imbalance I think. Actually stopping everything gave

things a chance to just settle down and then I could re-add things to

see what was working and what was not working.

In the end, I stopped with the probio we were using and tried

another, and I also only gave it infrequently. I also started him on

lauricidin and that gave us some good die off. Staying on that a

while helped. We now use maimonides colostrum and that seems to be

the most consistent helper for his gut. The permanent red ring

around the anal opening rarely shows up anymore since being on that

colostrum. And I rarely give probiotics-- maybe once every couple of

weeks if that. Every child is different but for mine, less messing

with the gut is " better " for him.

I hope you get some other responses and I hope things improve for him

soon...

I've always read on the boards that anger/aggressive type of behavior

is usually related to bad bacteria, and that's one benefit of

colostrum is that it helps keep bacteria from adhering to the

intestinal wall. So that might help him. If you can't locate

maimonides colostrum by doing a google search, email me off board and

I'll send you some info on it.

maryandphilip@...

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> Sob! My son is 5 1/2 for those of you that dont know us. He is toxic

> in lead and mercury. His problems since he was 15 months old have

been

> anger and oppositional defiance/OCD and ANGER! lots of it. Did not

> transition at all. Basically a behavioral nightmare.

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I went through something similar with my Allie Kat for the last two

weeks. She was doing the best in her life then got a cold and became

essentially non-verbal. I began a round of antibiotics with her and

she improved, then got even sicker. I took her to doc who said she

had a horrid ear infection and I requested an antibiotic shot since

she was refusing liquids. During the doctor visit I saw a fit in her

like I'd never seen. I was crying during the exam because she looked

so profound in behavior. Within two hrs after the shot she was more

verbal than before. Even her six yr old sister kept saying, " Wow,

Allie! That's a lot of words. "

I have found with Allie that her little body just doesn't bounce

right back ordinarily from illness. She usually acts odd for a few

days prior to physically-viewable symptoms (runny nose, cough, etc)

and even a few days after the illness appears to have disappeared

she doesn't act her best. I would suggest to also consider the prior

suggestion of stopping all stomach treatments for a few days and see

if he evens out. We've had 1-2 week stomach bugs in our family and

even after the diarrhea/vomitting is past we still ache. Perhaps he

just needs a few more days or some extra zinc/vits to help him get

back to his wonderful old self.

HTH,

Debi

I thought this stuff was all gone but now it is

> back....I dont know what is going on. I am giving him oil of

oregano,

> pro-biotics, vitamin C right now. I dont know if I should chelate

or

> not again. TO make matters worse the doctor that was prescribing

DMSA

> for us has decided he does not want to chelate anymore with DMSA.

> Where do I turn and where do I start. Im so tired of all of this

and

> angry angry angry.

> THanks for listening

> Patti (who as you probably guessed is VERY emotional right now)

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Dear Patti,

Hugs to you. My 7 year-old son had an angry day today, too, as did another

little boy we saw tantrum at horse therapy...I looked for a full moon, but no

such luck! My son was hitting himself, pinching himself, and cursing in the

parking lot. A few people actually came out to watch...Ugh. 's actually

been doing more of this lately, and while I have been looking at biomed issues,

I am also aware of some psychological things that are going on with him.

is getting better and better. He is far from NT - definitely middle of

the spectrum autistic - but smart and doing ok in a regular first grade class.

This has been a year of great growth for him. As he grows though, I notice that

he is more and more aware of his differences. It is almost like seeing someone

from another culture try to assimilate. He is tantrumming and hitting himself

more lately, and it is always accompanied by self-abusive language and words

that, like your son, reflect a feeling that WE think he is BAD.

I have been thinking about what I would do if he were neurotypical. Taking

control of the situation is definitely #1 priority because it keeps him safe.

Like you, I offer few choices and try to get him to a place where he can

decompress. Then we work on how he is feeling. My husband is much better at

this than I am because he doesn't get wrapped up so much in how things look to

others. He will often take him out to the car where it is quiet and contained

and let calm down before they calmly talk about what led up to the

tantrum. For , it is often a " No " or simple reprimand that sets him off.

It is like his conscience is on overdrive. More something you would expect from

a teenager or a two year old than a 7 year old......

I remember HAVING a temper like that when I was young and how scary it

was...especially if my folks left me alone with those feelings for too long. If

your son is understanding what is happening, then talking to him about those

scary feelings and what is real and not real about how you feel about him would

be important.

I hope this helps - I know it wasn't your original question, but I guess I'm

struggling with the same issues and hope something in this helps....More

hugs....Sleep well...

, mom to and

[ ] the stomach bug took my son away-please help!

Sob! My son is 5 1/2 for those of you that dont know us. He is toxic

in lead and mercury. His problems since he was 15 months old have been

anger and oppositional defiance/OCD and ANGER! lots of it. Did not

transition at all. Basically a behavioral nightmare. No problems with

speech, gets along with other kids fine, doing really well in school,

academics great. We have been through the ringer with yeast and

bacteria, chelated with DMSA and ALA and he was pretty much NT for

quite awhile with occasional bumps along the way UNTIL 2 weeks ago

when we all got a nasty stomach bug. He got it very bad...throwing up,

diareah etc and could not eat properly for 6 days. I kept him on

pro-biotics.

NOW he is angry and obsessive again, argumentitive all the time,

yelling and we had a terrible scene in the grocery store today when I

would not buy him a toy. He threw a TERIBLE scene in the store while I

was checking out. Yelling and crying and screaming in front of

everyone that " I bet you wish I was dead! " (i have never ever uttered

those words EVER!) hitting himself in the head with his fists, yelling

that he hated me and saying " IM SURE YOU HATE ME RIGHT! " etc. then he

started growling at me with the nastiest look on his face. He actually

goats me with a nasty tone in his voice to try and get a fight going.

Everyone was looking at us like I was a terrible mother and he was

nuts. I wanted to burst into tears and run away from everyone

(including my son I hate to admit) but I just kept quiet and prayed I

could get out of there as fast as I could. My son is very upset at

himself and knows exactly what he did, so I cant say it was a seizure

or anything. He says things like " I dont know what is making me do

this stuff! " if only I didnt do theese things! " He is very aware of

what happened. I thought this stuff was all gone but now it is

back....I dont know what is going on. I am giving him oil of oregano,

pro-biotics, vitamin C right now. I dont know if I should chelate or

not again. TO make matters worse the doctor that was prescribing DMSA

for us has decided he does not want to chelate anymore with DMSA.

Where do I turn and where do I start. Im so tired of all of this and

angry angry angry.

THanks for listening

Patti (who as you probably guessed is VERY emotional right now)

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> quite awhile with occasional bumps along the way UNTIL 2 weeks ago

> when we all got a nasty stomach bug. He got it very bad...throwing up,

> diareah etc and could not eat properly for 6 days. I kept him on

> pro-biotics.

This might have been a trigger for viral issues for your son. Have

you ever tried olive leaf extract or Lauricidin or something similar?

> for us has decided he does not want to chelate anymore with DMSA.

> Where do I turn and where do I start.

You can use ALA, or buy DMSA from VRP.

When I chelated my son, it removed his food and yeast issues, but it

was very frustrating, he would be better for a week or so, then

regress again. It appears that as the metals left, the virus issues

just took over. My son needs both OLE and Lauricidin right now,

otherwise he will regress. However, viral die off causes MAJOR yeast,

so his yeast is back, even tho chelation had removed that over a year ago.

>> Im so tired of all of this

My son's regressive behaviors are nothing like you describe for your

son, but I will vote for being tired of all this also.

Good luck.

Dana